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kingxsamz:
How fa the issue of insecurity, peoverty, bad leadership and terrorism we've been suffering in Nigeria for years? Shey churches no fit stop that one?
Even 2000 pastors gathered recently to pray in Nigeria against these problems I mentioned, yet the country is getting worse.
So which reasonable human being with his brain intact would even suggest a church/churches as the solution to one's problem, when the ones we have in every street hasn't done anything to curb the menace in our society?
Abeg shift. You're clueless.

You that is mr. clue, we can see your life is no better. Get sense please.

kingxsamz:

No, all you have to do is pray, and all your problems will go away.
That's the bible. That's why churches are being recommended to that lady and not hospitals. Now wear your clown hat and make up and say it in front of your mirror 50 times till it sinks.

Get your mum to give you her Bible and stop fooling around.

kingxsamz:
Eyah...why don't those doctors exercise their faith then?
Can't you see that they really don't have faith in their beliefs? Why do they use scientific methods instead of prayers to treat people?
That's because they know it won't work.
And your next excuse would be, "God gave them the knowledge to heal people with science". Abeg comot for here.

The Bible is in tune with use of medicine. Repeat it until you understand it, "medicine is not mutually exclusive to faith". Say it 10times every morning in front of a mirror, it should cure you.

kingxsamz:
You're really slow at comprehending things.
Let me type it in pidgin since you can't understand points being made in English quickly.

Church no be hospital. Church no be mental treatment institution, church no be where dem dey prescribe drugs, church no dey cure madness or cure sickness.
If she carry her brother go different churches, she dey waste her time because her brother no fit find help for there.
So if she like make she go hundred churches, her brother situation go only worse because Church no be hospital.
Would you rather be given 5 different churches to visit or 5 different hospitals if you had an asthma attack? what is too hard there to understand that your brain is acting slow this night?

i see you have little or no retention. You don't have to go to many churches for solution to come. You don't have to live in a church too. You can visit a church service, program or meeting. It doesn't stop you from medical treatment that she has done for years with little or nothing to show for it.

kingxsamz:
If truly you're in the medical field then you're a disgrace to the profession.
If you want to be a pastor, be a pastor, if you want to be in the medical field dump that senseless statement you made about not putting science first.
No wonder we have so many unqualified, unfit people in the medical field in Nigeria smh.
When your patient is dying and loosing blood, you should probably pray first and conduct fasting, because you dont want to put science first. Such immature statement. I doubt you're in the medical field.

Medicine is not mutually exclusive to faith, how thick can you attempt to be? Ever heard of brain drain? Do you suppose those great guys moving abroad in droves are atheists leaving behind the religious? i hope you are not that deceived. A doctor or any professional can pray while carrying out his work/task. Get real and mature.

kingxsamz:
Except churches are not Hospitals or mental institutions, how hard is that information for your brain to grasp?

Is it so hard for you to process that asking for doctors, or hospitals or churches on NL frontpage will produce the same results? i.e different/many doctors, hospitals and churches. Devourer is really real, lol.

kingxsamz:
The so called medical people don't use prayers to do their work you funny guy. Which makes your prayers and their beliefs a total joke and a total waste of time.
So many clowns here have recommended so many churches in this comment section. How many of those churches will she take her brother to before realizing that she's wasting her time taking her brother here and there instead of leaving him where he would get 'real' help? Sadly, you don't think ahead, so I'm not surprised.

If she asks for doctors or hospitals, she will have different doctors and hospitals recommended. This should not be rocket science, but it seems like it is for you. She can find her answers in the first location. She's already spent time, years and live(s) in the hospital. No harm trying a dual cure strategy. If this is too great for you to process, call a friend.

kingxsamz:
Yes, let her take her brother to MFM or Lord's Chosen he'll get well instantly, since those are the places sick or mentally unstable people are treated.

Taking her brother for prayers doesn't stop him from receiving medical care. Your ignorance needs cure, prayer is not mutually exclusive to medicine. The so called medical people are 99% religious people too.

Now i am made whole after this fantastic news, right?

LordReed:
Go tell the people who think faith has no plan B, not me.

i don't know them, you talk like one of them though.

Anas09:
Hello bro. How have you been?

Hi bro, i've been good. Thanks for checking up. Hope you're good and the family too?

LordReed:
Do you even understand what you read before you reply? I clearly stated:



As in do I need to explain that some people believe that faith is all they need?

You really don't understand faith. Faith is all that you need in the sense. Because real faith has plans and works.

kingxsamz:
Those that are kind with words are recommending you to push your brother to his doom. You want to solve his problem by going to MFM or some clownish church where he'll be wasting away.
Don't take him to the right institution for help, be looking for who'll tell you sweet words.

You surely must have read her say that she tried the "right institution" for her mum and elder brother. It failed.

LordReed:
LMFAO! "I know you have faith, but I have faith too but I have a plan B." This is what many religious people need to realise, their religious leaders have a plan B if things go belly up. Oyedepo for instance has invested billions for each of his children and himself such that even if they never get 1 naira again from church they are set for life, they do not need faith. This pastor has made it clear they are prepared to leave this country should things get out of hand, no faith required. You carrying faith on your head, better be guided. Bwahahahahahaha!

You still don't understand simple faith. Faith doesn't mean having no plans, or having no plan B duh. Even Jesus said to flee from danger so i really wonder where you get your ideas. The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, and as the pastor said he can preach from other locations. Stop being close minded.

My bishop Go on soun.

DanceVille:
Happy Sunday Folks! Blessed one in Jesus name Brethren.

This keeps bulging my mind because have seen some believers that have tattoos on their body and they are strong believers. They have the tattoo when they are unbelievers but after they converted to been a believer, the tattoo still remains because it's a permanent one.

Assuming I have the tattoo of my mother or father or my son/daughter on my body and a strong believer of Christ, does that makes me an unbeliever or does that mean that I need to get the tattoo erased before I can make it to heaven.

I remembered when we were been preached to by pastor then that God says we shouldn't have any form of tattoo on our body, christ sees it as sin.

But the issue now is, let's look at this two different scenarios;

1. I have a tattoo when I was an unbeliever, but converted to a believer and there's no way I can erased the tattoo, does that still makes me an unbeliever?

2. I'm a believer of Christ, strong and faithful to him. But I wish to have an image of my dad/ mum or son/daughter because of the much love I have for him/her, does that still changes me to been an unbeliever in christ?

Brethrens, please let's contribute to this issues and share your opinions with reference to the word of God.

Stay happy ❤️

Can you put their image on government property or your boss/company to show that you love them? Are you aware at all that your body is not for you?

M0ron:
I think there is evidence Amazons existed:
https://news.artnet.com/art-world/amazon-women-burial-russia-1760256

You mean women all over God’s beloved universe started wearing trousers 50-70 years ago?

Around Moses’ Deut 22:5 men wore no pants so women were not being forbidden from pants.

Like i said then, i say again. i don't argue for or against the existence of amazons. If they existed, it helps the case that women were told not to dress like men. Only amazons dressed like men largely. It became more COMMON in the industrial revolution when women came out to work. Men certainly wore breeches in Moses day.

LordReed:
LMFAO! You are obviously agitated. Be calming down oga. Bwahahahahaha!

If the pity i feel for you is defined as agitation, no problem. You're evidently the one covering up your frustrations with a plastic laugh.

petra1:
You're yet to tell us how you scan the source of your members offering . If you say no member give money from questionable source in your church then you're very dishonest. Even Jesus had Judas . There are things beyond your control. You just have to teach the word to build to maturity.

And lastly if the MBA guy gave money and was recognized with an award . What is anybody business.

Was he not making money in his business. If he had any wrong doing let the law handle that.

You skipped a lot here, i pray you have learnt though. i already said "When you have members giving you money, find out the source of their wealth, it is biblical to. You cannot tell me that you do not know or it's not your business the kind of business that your members do. Yet you know how much they give and even give them awards for being "partners". A decent person, family, church, organisation questions unusual financial transactions. You can ask Ananias and Sapphira"
This is a good way to 'scan your members offerings. At least you know them, you know their house, you have fellowship with them, and you sometimes know who and what they gave. Do your diligence to know how and why they are giving. i think it's still in your same church they said someone gave family property not belonging to him. All these things bring reproach to the name of God.
It doesn't stop your teaching, and it is YOUR business as a pastor/shepherd. that is part of why God put you there. Ordinary godless NL would say "Don't promote shady investments like betting and HYIP", so why do you find it out of your scope. You want and take the goodies but don't take the responsibility. Are you not an accomplice?

It was based on this premise below. I told you it's an illustration.

1Co 10:27 — 1Co 10:28
-- If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake. But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:

Was Paul contradictory? I a sinner announced he want to come and donate and you know he does questionable business. It's wisdom to reject it because it's identification. He want to use the church as launchpad . Like the story of the girl with spirit of donation trying to pally with Paul yet unsaved. It's different from a Christian who gave to God

This is not an issue of a christian. You compared giving in your church to prostitutes and bribe takers and you gave no room for scrutiny or "scanning". Instead, you talked about uber drivers. You're now trying to change the narrative instead of accepting your mistake, learning from it, and moving on.

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! Already getting agitated for your god concept. LMAO! This your powerful god you need defend and be angry on it's behalf. LMFAO!

Was this you or someone hacked your account? Keep fooling around oh, who's angry between the two of us? Why on earth should i be angry at one who is pitied?

LordReed:
Bwahahahaha! Once again your god concept is not better than a human. Nice to know. LMAO!

You know how to count right? 2 is bigger than 1? And the next after 2 is 3 and it's bigger than 2? LMFAO!

Laugh in tears all you want, it ends in misery. Here's Reed who believes two lizards suffering is a greater problem than his child suffering. We'll keep praying for God to spare us from your kind of sickness and grant you normalcy.
You remain the atheist who defines god, but God doesn't fit into his warped imagination, therefore there's no God. Continue fooling around while there's time.

LordReed:
So the god cares but set up the system in which they suffer and offers no reprieve because they are not humans. Ok got it.

Volume of suffering does not require an equivalence calculation. We are going simply by numbers.

How much reprieve have you offered to a cockroach, holiest one?
In your submission, two lizards suffering is greater than one human suffering. i hope i'm correct with these simple numbers?

LordReed:
So god doesn't care that those many animals suffer. Ok got it.

God doesn't equate them to humans, or talk about their suffering volume being greater than humans, got it? You forgot to answer, how many cockroaches or cows equals to one humans suffering in volume?

BassReeves:
but you struggle with seeing two same sex couples having a lifelong monogamous relationship, dedicated to each other for life until death separate them in a loving, caring, affectionate faithful, loyal kind each other, without causing anyone harm, injury or evil

Seeing them as humans is totally different from seeing them as sinners. They are causing me harm and disgust, i've said it before.

Genesis 49:9
'9Judah is a young lion—
my son, you return from the prey.
Like a lion he crouches and lies down;
like a lioness, who dares to rouse him?'

There isnt necessarily anything wrong in behaving like animals, as you won't struggle to see in verses like Genesis 49:9, to give just one verse to make a point with.

Note the word "necessarily" that you used. Confidence, bravery, poise and conquering are acceptable human behaviour. Sleeping around like a dog, being sly and indirect like a snake, eating like a carnivore, being dirty like a pig, and sleeping with the same gender are examples of unacceptable and despicable animal behaviour.

God is a Spirit. We intrinsically are spirit beings housed in a tabernacle i.e. human body. When we die, the body goes back to the ground, as dust. The spirit goes back to its original Owner, while the soul, goes to a holding place, to await judgment. It is the soul, that divine brah, look beyond the surface, look beyond homo or straight, focus on the soul brah.

God is divine and a Spirit, He is no homo. There is nothing homo about divinity, as you disrespectfully suggested.

Respect begets respect. In order to earn respect for ourselves, we need to respect others. Respect the fact that every human being, regardless of their sexual orientation, are beings of love, with a desire to love and be loved back in return. The person that God has for you to love and be loved back in return, may not always come in the package that you expected brah, but nonetheless, they will be able to provide you with the love you always will need.

You said that homosexuality is not just human but divine, that's a lot of disrespect for me considering the fact that you know my beliefs. i put it on me for you, because otherwise, it is blasphemy.

What is sickening? What's the unseemly? What specifically is sickening to you about two people loving each other until death do them part?

What are you suggesting a normal person should feel sickened over?

The same gender, is that not already obvious. What is sickening to you about a man sleeping with an animal or being married to a teddy bear or consenting minor?

You dont expect to get off lightly like this. C'mon spill your guts out. Why hold back on the specifics. Say what the specifics are

Do some research brother, i've being very gracious with hints already.

Good you dont consider them to be any less human

i've never did.

Image123, reveal in a copious and uninhibited way, how two monogamous God believing, God fearing homosexual couple, engaged in a loving, affectionate, caring, warming, faithful relationship and are not promiscuous, not jumping from one bed to warming another bed, not indulging in idolatry sex rituals acts or practices, not practising temple prostitutes, not participating in sex act with a ritual prostitute for gain of a religious experience etc who are not harming anyone, whether adult or child, not harming animals, but just being their natural and normal selves, going about displaying the fruit of the Holy Spirit, minding their own business and giving trouble to no one, are behaving like animals and what specifically about homosexuality is animal behaviour.

There's a lot of irony in play here, you cannot be God fearing or God believing and be a sinner. You fear God and depart from evil, sin and abomination. Two monogamous loving, affectionate, caring, warming, faithful relationship and non promiscuous thieves are still thieves. It is clearly against the Word of God. And your friends keep getting into our noses everytime about their rights and inclusions so stop saying they are minding their business ang giving trouble to no one. God created humans male and female, and He made marriage male and female. Not male and male. Two husbands do not make a couple. Two wives do not make it.

Anyone in the know knows about the fall. Answering your question, yes I read in the Bible that there was a fall from grace to grass, to start with, factually speaking, I read about man falling short of the glory of God

Good. Then you should know that after the fall, man started to behave less than himself.

Oh ye o little faith, as a matter of fact, its on NL thread, that just yesterday, I read, watched and saw a bunch of savages behaving like animals, stripped a lady stark naked, and subjected her to all manners of inhumane beating, whipping and throwing water on her writhing painful body because of blood all over her from being hit repeatedly

Good for you bro, you seemed to scratch your head at the thought of man behaving like an animal. i had to remind you of the sordid reality.

Be wise as serpents, gentle as doves, crouch and lie down like a lion etc are all animal behaviours too. Now what you fail to realise, is that with human beings, it goes beyond the ordinarily male sleeping with male and female sleeping with female, that you with a ring of finality, say is animal behaviour. There are certain ways, male sleeping with male and female sleeping with female, consciously behave themselves that animals don't

These are not behaviour peculiar to animals or to one particular animal. Being wise, gentle or lying down is normal behaviour, not some strange unknown occurence among some animals.

The day you plant the seed, is not the day you eat the fruit. If, as you originally said 'i don't know what you are talking about here' you'll hopefully in the future know. Fyi, you get clarity through reading and re-reading, meditation, reflection, quiet moment and closing eyes to see clearly

You're with eisegesis, using isolated, out-of-context quotations from the bible to forward your biased proposition about

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 has no link, connection, association nor anything bad to say about two God believing, have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour, consenting adults, enjoying having a lifetime until death do part them, loving each other, faithful, kind, caring, committed monogamous homosexual relationship, with no evil or harm done to each other, children, neighbour and environment, but displaying the fruit of the Holy Spirit, as is expected to happen from any other children of God to do so.

You cant be serious, saying the Bible, not just you, puts, a God fearing monogamous homosexual in the same box with a thief, murderer or idolater because there is anything in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 about a God fearing monogamous homosexual

Why didnt you give your answer, when I asked you, that unlike with a God fearing monogamous homosexual, where is the love to neighbour and God in being a thief, murderer or idolater? Smh

Should i guess that you want me to quote the whole chapter before you can see that thieves will not inherit the kingdom of God? What is the meaning of "abusers of themselves with mankind"? Why does the writer put them in the same box. Do you realise the crazy effect an homo has on children?

Please stop all this senselessness brah. Birds fly, fishes swim, animals burrow etc. So, so what if male sleep with male or female sleep with female. Its not as if it makes them any less human beings, just as you flying, swimming, burrowing etc doesnt change who you are.

Do you fly, burrow or roar? Please make sense my dear.

When will you stop proof-texting?
Fyi, when it comes to procreation, whether its Adam and Eve, Adam and Steve or Madam and Eve, the order is male and female. There is no other way

Now let me put you on the spot. From what comes to your mind first, choose one, out of these two: affection and procreation

Wow, so it is isolated and out of context that God created male and female. Can you produce the correct context then?
Adam and Steve or Madam and Eve cannot give birth to a fly if they tried all their lives, you forgot that? They have nothing to do with procreation. They are not asexual are they?
On what you asked me to choose, it depends on the reason i am choosing what. Marriage's full purpose must contain the two among others.

Dont be daft, Adam and Steve or Madam and Eve and even a 6 year old, unlike you, are intelligent enough to know that, if SSA couples so desire to expand the scope of their love for each other, all they have to do, is travel in the direction of surrogacy. Duh

You forgot to guess who leaves out Steve and Madam, you became nervous instead, why?

Would you stay away from giving love and receiving love back in return?

Of course, any sensible person should stay away from giving and receiving love from the wrong sources. i cannot be foolishly receiving or giving love to a minor, or one i'm not married to, or an animal, or an homo. Do you receive homo love?

Hypocrite! Liar!! I won't use anymore than those two adjectives on you because in this context, they almost perfectly describes what and/or who you are

You got me seriously laughing, what happened bro. You got pretty emotional here.

Your wish is my command

Your words, not mine

I just have now

You are welcome

petra1:
What about the thieves that give you money.
You're still yet to tell us your church system of scanning money

Thieves don't give me money. When you have members giving you money, find out the source of their wealth, it is biblical to. You cannot tell me that you do not know or it's not your business the kind of business that your members do. Yet you know how much they give and even give them awards for being "partners". A decent person, family, church, organisation questions unusual financial transactions. You can ask Ananias and Sapphira

Rora bu mi o. Gods word does not require "bibu"

When did decency and discernment become insults? What about you that insulted the Bible and insulted that woman calling her a prostitute?

I didn't says he's a sinner. He's just a business man. But since you're tagging him a sinner That's why I said even if. . . It's not church place to investigate people dealing . Church can only deal with matter brought before the church.

Even if, okay oh. Is the man a pastor or worker in your church? Was the church unaware that he was involved in ponzi?

Thousands of people are recognized by the church for their participation. Either in giving or soulwinning . He's just one among many

Firstly That scripture is primarily for agro business. Secondly if it's used pemisively for pastoral work nothing spoil. As I said , the guy is one among many honored From around the world. He is a member in Portharcourt . Pastor chris honored all those who's name.were called .

He was recognised by your pastor himself. So you give recognition to thousands without due diligence? Even an incompetent government should not openly give this excuse. i'm guessing Jesus' many parables also apply primarily to agro business. Are you a shepherd or not?

Forex is a legitimate business. Nothing to question. you can only guide them Pastor Chris has done that many times . He taught against Ponzi business and he told those who do forex not to take more than they can trade. if not it may turn to Ponzi. You assume and judge Pastor Chris from distance. Why not click on YouTube and hear him personally on his stands

i do not judge your pastor. You were the one that started justifying rubbish, that's why i stepped in.

Your church nko? I just Gave an illustration. It doesn't have to be

Bad illustration. You blanket them all as bribe takers.

If you were an uber driver and you realize the ladies you carry are prostitute. Will you tell them not to pay.

An uber driver is collecting money from everyone for services rendered. You cannot compare him to a pastor or a church. A passenger can get transport fare from anywhere, not necessarily his profession. Your dad, friend, neighbour etc can give you transport fare for a particular purpose. This is very different from consistently being in the family and fellowship as a "partner", evangelising and making monthly, weekly, quarterly donations and in huge awardable sums. You have no excuse, repent.

It's like eating food offer to idols.. if someone is a known 419. And he wants to come and make donation . The church can reject it. Because its identification.
But people giving to God is their personal responsibility not the Pastor.

You're contradictory here. The church can reject it, but it is not the responsiblity?

There is no discernment required for offering. It's God that has the responsibility to determine what is acceptable and blessed and what is not blessed .

And it is your pastors responsibility to give them awards without discernment. What do you use discernment for again, football scores? Ask Ananias and Sapphira. Ask Simon in Acts 8

LordReed:
Well, are you gonna attempt explaining how the volume of animal suffering is compatible with your god concept?

Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Mat_16:26  For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Like i have said before, your faulty perspective is going to continually give you problems. If the foundations are destroyed, it's a huge challenge. You continue to see things on/through the wrong prism.
Man is created in the image of God. For double emphasis sake, in the likeness of God. The whole tiny winy world is not worth the value of 1 man/human/soul. One human being is of more worth than all the animals and minerals in the world according to God's Word.
So when you talk of volume of suffering, the funny question is how many animals equal to one man in your estimate? Man is the apex and centre of God's creation on earth. The whole complex food chain was made for and revolves around him. Man is their central purpose. They keep the balance and cycle for man. It is now left to man not to abuse but to harness the privilege. The demise of 1000 cockroaches should not send you into confusions like thinking it a bigger problem than human suffering. They are not never dying souls. They could never be fulfilled otherwise.

LordReed:
Then why did you write:

Because i hoped that you finally saw the light.

IVORY2009:
I keep asking this question, but no one has been able to answer me till date

You seem not to like the answers rather, hell and Abraham's bosom.

kingxsamz:
Lol, there's nothing like a better place. He's dead, that's it. People just say that because they want to feel better.

Someone who is yet to leave is village says confidently that there's no better place. Yet will deride those who say otherwise, folly defined.

LordReed:
Why would I disagree with a position I have not changed my mind on? You on the other hand are finding it hard to distinguish between value and volume, do you need aid?

It's not hard to see you agree that animal suffering is an even bigger problem than human suffering. At no point have i failed to be clear on this.

LordReed:
And here I was thinking you finally understood the difference between volume and value.

Here i was thinking that you finally disagreed that animal suffering is an even bigger problem than human suffering.

LordReed:
It's a fact and it presents a problem a benevolent god does not explain but I am sure you'll try to explain it, won't you.

There you go again. It's fact, yet you were moving in circles denying its "worth".