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tritt:
Any comment from them after the disgrace

What disgrace? Is the start of the clean up of Ogoniland a disgrace?

Joagbaje:
But thats in rare cases. I don't even support ministrying to a sinner . My principle is Salvation first then other benefit follow . What of those who are already saved ?

Actually that is the common case, display of power and signs to entice and ensnare. People keep going for months and years without tangible spiritual progress or transformation in their lives.

Joagbaje:
That's not how the bible tells us to judge . We judge false ministers by their doctrine and what they profess about christ. Not about the use or demonstration of gift . The fact that someone doesn't do the way we do shouldn't make them false . What is their statement of faith . What is their doctrine of christ .

Mark 9:39
But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

And it's important to know that he was teaching about spiritual gifts when he made this statement

Like you just said, critics hardly read. You didn't read me say they are wrong for "not telling you of your dire need of the Saviour Jesus Christ?, not talking of the need for you to repent and come out of your sins, into full salvation and dedication to your Creator. " What doctrine and statement of faith are you looking for again when these basic essential is missing?

bloodyBLOGGER:
Fayose is a gbegiri licking, ponmo cutting, vegetable buying, palmy drinking, amala swallowing, fufu munching, ogi drinking, ewa agonyin serving governor of Ekiti state.

hehehehehehehe

Topgainer:
Exactly, Entertainers that's the word I use for them.
I have had encounters with a few. One was so powerful that he could wave his hand across a bowl of water and it will change colour instantly. He could make the content of a fresh egg become blood on breaking it at his Altar which he code named Fire Cathedral, he could make women vomit live keys, He buys original oils from olive, to Indian, Jerusalem for certain anointing services. He blows air on people they fall on the ground instantly
As for calling out names, phone numbers, address, bank account details, how much a worshiper has in his/ her pocket, he learnt that trade very well.


But after the entertainment it is payment time, he will so demand for your tithe, a tenth of your earnings misquoting Malachi which talks about Food crops, he will demand for no more sickness seed, financial break through seed, seed for the now miracle, seed for examination success, seed for warfare and enemy must die seed, seed against accident, seed for instant employment.


He drives the latest cars in town and could afford the services of Mobile Policemen, DSS and some thugs. He wears the important designer perfumes, wrist watches, suits and visits all the Pretorias, Paris, Londons, Torontos, Dubias of this world frequently to preach his gospel "Jesus has come to make you rich"


Initially, I was captivated by the Pastor's performance on stage like most people would, but soon enough I realized it was pure Business. Whether the power for those shows comes from God or from a Pseudo Holy Spirit is a story for another day.

It's a very pathetic situation, and humans so crave for signs and wonders. May God continue to deliver His children from deceit of false prophets.

frank317:
Ur words not the creator's.

i like that, so there is the Creator?

Like I said, I can never take you serious because you are an ordinary mortal.

That is ridiculous, it means you have never taken any ordinary mortal serious right? How many immortals have you taken serious?

Everything u said about the creator (if there is one) is what u (an ordinary human) think he should be like or what u read in a book in which other men put down what they think the creator should look like.

What i have said is what is in the Bible. If you have any thing i have said that is not in the Bible about God, kindly present it. Thanks. Where do you want it written for it to be real, your physics or literature textbook?

Again, this God in ur head... he can't maintain being God and not expect human to maintain being humans. Humans feel pain, stressed, frustrated, when bad things happen to us. If being God is more important to him than seeing that our requests are responded to at the time we need it, then he has no business being anybody's God.
But if you are happy with such a God... Good luck worshiping such a confused, egoistic entity.

You cry more than the bereaved really. Why? It's a question, kindly answer. Jordyn Castor was born blind and is still blind. She is a believer in God and currently a university student in the US, MSU majoring in Computer technology. All these names i mention are easily verifiable on the internet BTW. i think i've earlier mentioned Fanny Crosby, Anne J Flint, Horatio Spafford, Nick. These are not even Nigerians, neither do they all live in the slums of poverty Africa. They have also being through pain, stress, frustration, really bad things happening to them. Yet they are stronger believers than many others. Your thinking pain is an indication of no God is a senseless fallacy.

Joagbaje:
Bros . You should rather study on prophetic ministry than talking about what you have little knowledge of. Prophets can tell you what only you know for you to believe . It's not a show. It's for faith.


1 Corinthians 14:24-25
24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

Mr jo, you should rather read well instread of jumping to inconclusive conclusions. i never said that prophets cannot tell you what only you know for you to believe. i asked "What's the purpose of a prophet telling you your phone number and date of birth, marriage etc, and not telling you of your dire need of the Saviour Jesus Christ?" Why would show men not talk of the need for you to repent and come out of your sins, into full salvation and dedication to your Creator. Because they are just out for show, to mesmerize, to indulge and trap miracle seekers. That is what most of the so called prophets do, they are not real prophets from God. Beware of false prophets Jo.

dalaman:
So there is this all powerful, almighty God that can do all things who exist but is solely relying on image123 to explain it's mysterious ways to others in a convoluted , lame and ridiculous way. The bible is very clear on how prayers are supposed to work. Jesus promised his followers answered prayers many many times. He even stated that these are signs that will follow those who believe in him. Are there any signs following any christian today? Are christians living better, experiencing less harm or havoc compared to non christians in the world today? Are christians having it any easier than others? The answers is NO. Despite their claims of my father in heaven will guide me, help me , protect me and do things for me. No evidence to show that christians are better protected or helped more than non christians at all. We are all just groping in the dark and struggling on our own. As someone said the words of the bible have expired in the real world. Miracles are just make belief and illusions. Clear cut miracles do not exist. If they do we will not be having this conversation. If christianity is true you image123 will be going about healing amputees because Jesus PROMISED you that. He said as he is going back to heaven those of you that believe in him will do GREATER things than him. We were told in stories that he walked on water and was a great miracle worker that also healed amputees. If these stories are true then you should be doing what he promised you. These are just mythological stories. Do you believe that Prophet Mohammed divided the moon into two halves? Why or why not? You believe the Jesus stories and refuse to believe the Mohammed one simply because you were born into and indoctrinated with the Jesus stories over the Mohammed stories. If you were born in India you would have been a Hindu and believe in very different stores that talk and explain Indian myths, miracles and legands The fact is these stories are simply false and they worry you so much that is why you came up with a thread to try to explain them away by saying God works in mysterious ways and that his ways are not our ways. If your God works in mysterious ways and we can never understand him, then why should we have anything to do with something we can never understand? If your God exist as you claim he will never rely on a person like you to explain him to anybody . Just read the replies of this thread and see how terrible your explanation has failed. Only a non existent God that lives in your head will rely on you to explain him to others. A God that truly exist will do that himself.

Lol, this is quite a myopic view to think that in the whole world, SOLELY Image123 is teaching others about God. You need exposure mr man. Go around, there are teachers, evangelists, preachers, men of God in every continent more powerful, coherent and visible than Image123. Yes, The bible is very clear on how prayers are supposed to work. There are conditions and instances abound in the Bible of different such situations. i have even given 4 personal testimonies in the OP if you cared to read, but you overlook them to ask if there are signs today. Bible does not PROMISE christians living better, experiencing less harm or havoc compared to non christians. On the contrary, Jesus Himself said to His followers.(Joh 16:33 In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. ) Heaven is the true and lasting hope of every believer, and that is where God promises to wipe away all tear, sorrow and pain. (1Pe 5:9 knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. ) Any one telling you otherwise is either as ignorant as you are, or not telling you a full gospel but half-truth, and what is usually referred to as "prosperity gospel".
Yet, does God help or intervene? Certainly, i gave 4 personal instances and there are many more both personal and otherwise. The PRIMARY thing we are guaranteed of is SALVATION from sin, this is why His name is Jesus. This one everybody that believes receives certainly. Other additions are not that certain, you may get it you may not get it, based on several factors. That you or your friend did not get it does not mean that nobody has or can ever get it, whether healing or any other divine help. Those are secondary to the plan of God, but He does do them.
What is your definition of clear cut miracle? Does who have received miracles know and are not shaken by internet rants. You are not the one to define christianity or what true christianity is. You don't even have a clue. Your definition of true christianity is Image123 going about healing amputees, you sure do overrate your IQ. Who made you definer? Where did Jesus say that true christianity is going about healing amputees? Your lying and dishonesty does not hide the facts away from you, when you open your eyes, they are still there.
True, we are to do greater things than what He did here on earth but we need to understand the context. He's not saying every christian will walk on water literally or we would feed 15,000 since He fed 5,000. What are important works to God/Jesus? Is it miracles? No. If it were, then why would God not heal the sick, like the thread title asks? There are things greater than healing the sick. The salvation and conversion of the soul is a greater work than any lame walking or blind seeing or amputee healing. The unity and fellowship with God and the indwelling of the Spirit of God is a much greater work to God than HIV or cancer disappearing. These are the things that are critical and foundational and eternal. These are greater works. You can be sick and poor and helpless as it were and be saved and go to Heaven eternally. You can be healed of ebola and receive rain of dollars through prayer and disappear from Nigeria to any country of choice at will, and still spend eternity without God. Which is greater and more important?
About Prophet Mohammed and any other religion including atheism, i do not need to believe them or disbelieve them. i could not care less if they moved the Sun into a cave and back. It is of no consequence to me whether true or not. i believe Jesus because He died for the sins of the world, and He literally gives new life to those that believe Him. i have experienced it and seen numerous others experience it and the change, the joy, the life and the hope. Not at all because of where i was born. Were you not born into and indoctrinated with the Jesus stories, dalaman? Were most of your other atheistic friends not born into and indoctrinated with the Jesus stories? Why then do you presumptuously and naively assume that that is all that makes one a christian? You really need to outgrow such myopic viewpoint, expand your world view. Don't let these atheist websites limit and shrink it into such ludicrous closemindedness. there are millions of christians in India and from India, there are great and popular preachers and teleevangelists from India, do you live in the bush? How would you assume that once someone is born in India, he has to be an Hindu.
BTW, i never said that we can never understand God. You can show where i said so. You are not the first atheist on this thread claiming that i said so. If you have issues misreading me, how would you cope with religious books?lol.

STPEACE10:
how did we get to this point? what's the way out??






Buhari cannot handle This problems, it's too
much, please make una pity this grand Papa that
supposed to be with his grand children.

Tell this cock and bull story to Americans who would vote in 70year olds later this year. Do you have a phobia for older people?

anonimi:
Has he not confirmed the prophetic vision in one year of doing NOTHING?
Or what has he achieved in his 365 days as president of our country?
What?

He's not borrowed to pay salaries like his predecessor. Instead he's bailed out states. He also conceeded to not collecting state debts since April so that states can have more money. He's partially liberalized the downstream sector of oil and gas, ahead of the ever elusive PIB bill. Those are great achievements. Any sincere and knowledgeable economic analyst knew since 2014 that Nigeria was heading for huge economic crises, even NOI was already saying it and developed headache and high blood pressure. She might have had cancer by now if GEJ won. Be grateful.

Ladfem:
I wonder if some of you guys read upside down or lack comprehensive mind, cos if u do u ll know how to interpret one's statement. the President said most of d permanent secs only know how to do things as they ve been doing it before so whatever their campaign promise(APC) is,it is rubbish to this permsecs,and that's why they've to fire some of them

May your days be long. This is exactly what i grasped yesterday only to see our lazy sensational journalists twist it this morning. Journalists inform, it is the job of marketing to sell,unfortunately our journalists are out for juicy stories, not professionalism. Little wonder the President would rather talk to cnn or aljazeera when he travels.

There is God ohhh, but He's not going to do your work that you are being paid heavily for, Mr governor.

The only valid reason is because you didn't use enough money to SECURE enuf MB. Wetin be mb sef? lol

phewww, na wa for you guys, your blood dey hot badly. You people should take life easy, why so serious, lol.

95% of the avengers work has been in Delta state. Who is the governor and why is the military not swarming that state but taking selfies in Bayelsa?

Anas09:
Compared to Nietzsche, you are a toy. Go ask Google what Nietzsche said would happen to Christianity. I laugh at your ignorance.
Satan has fought so very much to exterminate Christianity, he failed, he conjured up a scheme to weaken it from within by infiltrating it with false doctrine, the Church is waxing strong.
When you say "nothing of the Bible ear is happening now", does it include healing the sick and raising the dead?
because just yesterday, being 25th of May 2016, a girl of 8 died. She came home from school on Friday last week complaining she wasn't feeling well, What is wrong with you, she kept saying "I don't know" .
the parents took it lightly thinking she wanted undue attention, being the only girl. But she wouldn't eat, couldn't stand. Self medication was administered. Just yesterday that child died, like joke, it happened. Her father being a pastor, understood what pranks Satan was out to play, cast the demon of untimely death out of her, she came back to life, she was rushed to the hospital, the doctors said it was too late, they won't accept her so that she won't die in their hands. The Child become as white as a sheet of paper.
As they were running around, I was holding the supernatural down. Today, that Child is alive. This morning she has accepted food. Praise the Lord Jesus.
I, typing this, but is a living witness of Devine healing.
Go ahead and say all the stupid things you know to say, but we have our testimonies.

Don't mind these kindergarten copy and paste lot. Their daddy Frederick Nietzsche ran mad at last after his "God is dead" shenanigans.

prettybetty25:
But sir,what can you say about God's stand when his children are engaged in unforeseen danger like mob,road accident,rape and all? Is He expecting us to help ourself or what?

My sister, one thing we tend to forget is that we live in a depraved and degenerate world. We're not yet in Heaven. This means/connotes that we're all exposed to the ills,sickness, calamity, crime and evil of this earth. That is one reason we hope and look for Jesus and His promise of a better place where God will wipe all tears and sorrow from our eyes. But here on earth, there is tribulations and Jesus said it, the days are evil. And nothing should therefore shake us or separate us from the love of God, no death or life or famine or wealth or things to come. We're not looking at or focusing on the things seen, Heaven is the strength of the believer.
If we can help ourselves, why not? By carefulness, watchfulness, wisdom, prayer, call for help, fleeing etc. Paul once escaped death using a basket on the wall. However, nothing stops us from calling upon God in trouble, He does deliver and we have experienced His deliverances. But be like the three Hebrew guys who told that Babylon king, whether God delivers or not, we will serve Him. welcome to NL by the way. It's a dangerous place oh.

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Pyrrho:
Arrrgh!
I'll have to start from the scratch with you?

Ok, just post miracles that are confirmed or verified by the public which are really special.
Not hearsay.

Like an amputee growing his or her legs back.

You seem to have a thing for amputees, are you?

frank317:
Is Nairaland religious section for only those who have nothing to do with their life? Are u here trying to prove your God is real because u have nothing better to do with ur life?

Seriously I expect u to be far above the lame quote above... well, I am not surprised. after all you believe in a sky daddy whom, u, the believer needs to explain to others but the sky daddy never shows up.
Smh for a God who is unknowable but relies on same mortals who don't really know him to explain him to other mortals. He is a joke.

The section is for those who are interested in discussing or reading about religion. The THREAD is about why God does not heal/help like we expect He should. It is not about proving the existence of God, but for people who have issues understanding God's actions. i'm not here to prove that God is real, sorry. The OP is very clear, kindly read again.
God does not have to show up, He did not promise to physically show up. The atheist cannot drum up criteria for God, God is God. You cannot define God without giving us an example. The Bible defines God and we have experienced the Bible's definition. If you have not, pele oh, not my problem. On the believer explaining God to others, that is a privilege and a duty. It is in the Bible, it is not demeaning or anything you want to paint it as. We believers are God's witnesses and we are happy to be. those that have believed our witness have believed, we do not expect everybody to. in fact, we would be worried if everybody did, because the Bible told us what to expect already.

frank317:
Healing is like trial and error for your so called almighty powerful God. Even after all the promises. This exactly why I know he is not real.
What result has been achieved over time? All these make believe stories that could happen to anybody from any religion whether they pray or not. Even our forefathers who used to ignorantly believe in stone experienced some sort of healing.
Face it man , it's not about your God, that's just the mystery of life... don't just call what u don't understand Yahweh. It's another word for i don't understand,but u and not comfortable with that are u? So let God replace ur ignorance.
If your God cannot stand out then you have no business trying to do his work for him.

It is not trial and error for God but for us. God does not need or receive healing, it is those that receive it that it is like trial and error for. i have as much as possible put aside many factors and peoples so that the explanation can be BASIC and progressing. i've said i would still talk about trusting God, giving glory. Not to forget that there are people who receiving from God is very frequent and tested and trusted. We don't all have the same level of faith, prayers, relationship with God. The thread is to help the general and major populace who don't have the "skill" and have questions. Many and most times, the problem is at the receiving end, and sometimes it is simply God's decision and Sovereignty. God is a Spirit, and if you want to enjoy Him more, you have to come to His terms not the other way round. He is not begging or desperate, so don't suppose He is very anxious to appear to you and prove Himself. FACT.
Miracles are not make believe, they do happen. The OP shares 4 personal testimonies, this are not stories i heard, they are personal experiences and there are many more. The Bible does not say that miracles only happen in christianity, neither have i said so. There are clearly other gods and the Scriptures acknowledge that. What we are quick to add is that there is no other god like God. People who face troubles and challenges know where it hurts them, thank God you do not have such challenges. People who have been healed of life threatening, money gulping and hopeless sicknesses know for themselves. Humans who had problems with marriage, job, poverty etc and received supernatural help, saw reality of evil powers, vomitted and excreted different things like cockroach to lizard to hair to sponge etc, and the problems disappeared. These are things that happen around us, if you are not too lazy to sit in the armchair and say stuff conveniently on the internet.
So a woman is not married over 40years, and prays and fasts three days with a man of God. She sees a sponge in her village buried in their compound since her birth. She goes to dig it up and destroy it prayerfully to God. The same month, the same woman has four serious suitors, and you tell me that is normal and natural? You must be highly deluded to so conclude.

There is no guarantee... we also cannot stop being humans if he insists that he must be God. It's funny how u belittle your God. You seem to put him in the same box u put humans but u don't know that's hat u are doing.
A man needs God to heal his sick and dying wife, however this God has other plans and time frame to act. As a result the man's wife dies...God expects man to understand and maintain his peace, despite strictly maintaining his own stance even after knowing man does not really understand him.
I think your God is a joke.

As you can clearly see, it is not me, it is the Bible itself. The Bible shows you how God works. You are not the ones to tell us how a real god should work, you do not know any God so you cannot just pull out criteria from thin air. The Bible shows you how God works, if you think that is weak or belittling, well your opinion. It shows me however that God is real and i understand Him better. Many people have maintained their peace and even trusted God more after calamity, so stop weeping more than the bereaved. the case of Job is clear from the Bible. Horatio Spafford wrote the popular song "It is well with my soul" after losing ALL his daughters in a shipwreck. Anne Johnson Flint lost her parents at young age, became paralysed and very sickly, yet she remained and died a happy and faithful christian and gave us the good hymn "He giveth more grace". Should i talk about Paul the apostle, and Peter and John and all they faced? The joke is on you, people have fulfilled God's requirements aplenty.

Lol... trust me, if God understands us like u say, he wouldn't even have destroyed earth with water, nor would he have really gotten mad at Adam or eve and there wouldn't be any need for hell. He simply want to act like God, which is far far above our understanding but wants us mere mortals, to understand him when he does things the way he likes despite knowing we are not capable of understanding him. This is just a huge joke. You talk of healing like it's common... I have never seen one all my years in the church. I say it's all scam. No God heals anyone.

This is a huge load of ignorance in one paragraph which i would not fully reply so as not to over expand or derail the thread much. Hell was created before man BTW and not for man. i did not say that we are not capable of understanding God, i have repeated on this same thread humbly that i UNDERSTAND God more than you. However, we cannot FULLY understand God. Sometimes, you don't even understand a fellow human being, though with time and experience and closeness such understanding may improve and increase. i have given illustration of domestic goat and pets like dogs that understand their owners but not fully. The basic understanding that is required and needed for life and to know God is very much achievable. Healing is common if you go to where it happens, i however do not encourage running up and down looking for signs and wonders. It is not of much advantage in the big picture. You cannot just sit all your life in Agege stadium and expect to see Lionel Messi live. yes, Messi is found in stadiums, but if you want to see him, go to the stadiums where he goes as it were. Miracles and signs and wonders happen, both from God and from other sources. go to your village or some village where they claim to experience supernatural happenings, you will see it. One man went to his village and came back to Lagos on wheelchair, paralyzed. It took prayers to get him back on his feet, he vomited some stuff as well. He went to the hospital, they scanned and scanned and almost photocopied the man sef, they saw nada. Stay there.

Ya God is a healer whose healing powers are not guaranteed because we can't understand him but he made so many unguaranteed promises in the Bible and we must hold unto it even when it's not guaranteed.
Good luck believing in a sky daddy who dosent seem to know what he wants.
I just think ur God thrives on evil... without out man's suffering, he wouldn't really be God.
NB: I really don't take u serious... if God understands me like u said... he should know I consider u a mere mortal like me and can only see all u said as the words of a mortal...the deity u defend is just in ur head, hence you blowing hot and cold at the same time.
God cannot maintain being God and expects mere mortals to hold unto him when things go wrong despite knowing we don't and can't understand his ways. That's u reasonable.

Repeated rant, read above.

Pyrrho:
What part of the Bible description of God should we take as valid?

All or some?

All as a whole, not some. ALL the terms and conditions. They may seem contrasting sometimes, that is why you need teachers and to calm down and hear explanation. Picking and choosing for your biased opinion doesn't bring much value.

Julianyao:
Image123, Atheists do not believe in god let alone take the bible as His word. That is the basis for everything and since you haven't provided any evidence (for your god) that we all can appreciate, where do you think you're heading with your arguments?

Oh really? Why then are they on a thread talking about God? Don't you have something else to do with your life than back and forth all day about who you do not believe? i'm not here to provide any evidence for your appreciation, wetin concern me with your appreciation? The thread title and OP clearly talks about divine healing, not about providing evidence of God that we all can appreciate.

Pyrrho:
Believe me, I've read several scriptures, the Bible God is the worse of all.

I hope you don't believe the Bible spells out facts about a God.

You have no choice. If you want to understand the "Bible God" and His actions, you have to read and understand the Bible. If we throw out the Bible, what then are we discussing? Don't waste your time.

Pyrrho:
I don't trust the source of the scriptures.

Why should I take it as true?

Lol, you must be joking. The scriptures are what tell us about God and help us understand God more. You'd need to read it and understand it or you simply have no business trying to understand God in the context of this thread.

Most top people working in these organizations are northerners. Northerners generally and more easily help each other, compared to southerners. It is not Buhari that personally employs or promotes every person working for the FG. Life is more than tribal sharing, this zoning policy thing has seriously held us back as a nation.

Pyrrho:
Can you just humour me please?

I read your post and it didn't make sense.

I'm trying to get simpler explanations, can you do that?

How did you get to know that we do not understand God?

i'm sure i gave up to 5different scripture verses that say and show that. Disappoint me by reading them again until you understand.

Pyrrho:
I like your simplified version.

And you understand him? How did you know this if "we do not understand him"?

I assume you are not inclusive in the "we" part of your above comments.

Greeeeeeat, that's like eureka or something. Have you read what i wrote at all or you just skimmed through? Don't be lazy man,go back and read.

simplex2:
So the best way to counter hardmirror's comment was to state other 4 cases where prayers were supposedly answered as against his own 1 scenario baa? Did your well painted scenario in any way nullify his assertion?

If only you knew how many times that phrase 'God works in a mysterious way' and 'the ways of god is different from the ways of man' has been over used ehn.

Meanwhile, b4 I forget, I'm sure you know the 'ask and ye shall receive' portion of the bible very well. Let me highlight this portion for you:

If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Theres nothing mysterious in that claim up there: that verse/proclamation was made with all certainty.

i am not countering his arguments, where is he BTW? i am explaining things in a perspective i hope some may better understand. My 4 instances were not stated to nullify his assertions. they were given to illustrate the FACT that divine healing or prayer can still be done by believers while they seek medical care. The Bible does not tell us not to seek medical care, i have given scriptures showing that.
'God works in a mysterious way' and 'the ways of God is different from the ways of man' are FACTS clearly stated in th Bible. They are in the terms and conditions and they APPLY. you don't just pull one verse and be running up and down like an headless chicken. Read the terms and conditions of the contract carefully.

Pyrrho:
You've said nothing.

Even in your OP.

You and Ebuka have a way of eluding your own point.

In simple terms please; Why does God not heal like he promised?

Lol, i never expected it to be easy. Life itself is a mystery. God does not heal like He promised because we do not understand Him, do you understand my short simple terms now? i guess not.

frank317:
In other words God is like trial and error... since we dont understand him well enough we should just try or go to the hospital.

In other words, healing is like trial and error in a sense. God is not healing, and healing is not God. And it is a very good trial and error, given the results achieved through time and the many testimonies that continue to abound. Divine healing and going to the hospital are not mutually exclusive, they are symbiotic if i may so say. You can get medical help and still pray. This position that christians should not(cannot or must not) seek medical help is unfounded, yet many atheists think this way.

The sad thing is that you have made is clear that we can never understand this said God. His ways are not our ways... hence we ask for help hoping it falls in line with his desire to help out. Are you indirectly saying that there is no guarantee in absolutely depending on God? Is the hospital an alternative when God decides (for reasons best known to him) that our request will not be granted.

Good to see feedback that i am making some things clear. It is not a sad thing, it is there in the Bible both in words and in scriptural experience. We cannot fully understand God. We lack the capacity. It is never hopeless though, we can still understand Him to some extent. Your trained pet dog cannot fully understand you, but it still knows and understands you better than other dogs. See the Bible passages clearly below.

Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever. Amen.
Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Col 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

There is no guarantee OF HEALING in absolutely depending on God, but there is a good chance depending on a combination of factors on our part. There is no guarantee of healing in medical science too, people die EVERY DAY in hospitals. We don't however say that because there is no guarantee, all healing is fake or nonexistent. And of course, that does not in anyway deny the existence of God. i'll have to quote the scriptures especially to help christian readers who may think otherwise, and for those who think i am making up excuses. i have shown four clear and personal testimonies of divine healing. It is not a case of, oh God does not work, lemme make up an excuse for why. It is a case of study, experience and a combination of other factors.

Mar 9:28 And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out?
The passage in reference here, there was healing by Jesus, fine. But His disciples could not heal the person despite depending on God and praying/asking God.

1Ti 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
Timothy was a believer, and so was Paul the APOSTLE. Paul had prayed for Timothy in faith, depended on God etc. Yet Timothy had OFTEN infirmities. he was advised of Paul to use a little wine as a sort of medicine for his health. Do we conclude that all Paul's previous healings were fake, or he was deluded, or it has expired? Certainly not. Those who understand the ways of God know better.

2Ti 4:20 Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.
Paul the apostle has raised the dead and sent out handkerchiefs healing the sick, and wrought special miracles. but he had to leave Trophimus at Miletum sick. this is in the Bible, before you were born. It is nothing really new. Sometimes, things do not simply go the way we want/plan. It is only childish to throw tantrums or disbelief God, especially after all one has experienced before and still experience after. i hope you clearly and biblically see my point now? i do not make it up, it is there in every Bible for those who care to read. The hospital is ALWAYS an alternative, no one hindered you from going to the hospital. you can go to the hospital without losing faith in God. i have, and those four testimonies above clearly show that divine healing can be obtained even when we go to the hospital.

I thought God, being what he is, understand how we feel when we lost our loved ones or when we see them suffer. Its either he helps or not, all these probability action despite all his promises and all the praises prayers and acknowledgement does not work.
Again, can you really separate God's healing and hospital healing or chance? because it seems despite your acknowledging that God (due to his ununderstandable ways) sometimes does not answer prayers yet, we tend to give him glory everytime even when he didnt answer (as you have agreed).

God created and understands us better than we can ever do. Jesus Christ had a friend in the Bible called Lazarus. He was sick, at least you would think that God's friend should not be sick. yeah right. Lazarus was sick, Jesus knew, He was even sent for, yet the man died sick. There is the Sovereign mysterious factor. However, this factor is real and seen in the Scripture. It is not a new shocking discovery that should daunt our faith.
The same person can have a sickness different times, and have healing in different ways. Healing is not an exact science, that however does not make it unreal or God unreal. The same believer can pray for someone today and he/she is healed, can pray for another person for the same sickness same day, and no healing. It is not necessarily repeatable. It does not mean that the other healing did not happen, or the person was lucky. Well, i like that kind of luck, and will rather have it a thousand times over atheism. A kind of luck that takes away sickle cell, leprosy, athritis, HIV, madness, shorter legs, blindness, cataract, etc, that kind of luck is good luck and should be encouraged. These are things prayer does, prayer still changes the night to day as it were.
God can part the sea using a rod of moses, or a garment of Elijah, or nothing from Joshua. He is not limited. Healing can come through God directly, or through water, or fruits, or medicine. God has made it that accessible. Aren't you glad that God does not monopolise healing to only crusade ground? The Pharisees felt there should be no healing on sabbath days. You seem to feel that for God to exist, there should be only one path of healing. Why do you have such an idea?

Seriously all i see is excuses for an all powerful deity by mere mortals even after you have acknowledged that this all powerful deity cannot not be fully understood. please what are you doing explaining him to us. Can you tell us when exactly he decides not to answer? You have acknowledged thT you cannot fully understand him... on that note, i see humans trying to explain what he knows he cannot not understand... your task is impossible. you know it, yet you are trying... aint you just wasting your time? can u do the impossible? if your god has refused to explain himself, why are u even trying?

People see what they choose to see really. All i have said are in the Bible, not personal knowledge alone. It would help you to understand God better, instead of the lazy throwing in of the towel that is the common stance. Does of God who know God know that He is a Healer and we have experienced His healing. We also know that He doesn't heal every time. Life is not exactitude and we are not in utopia. God did not promise utopia either. He said in the world, we will have tribulations. His apostles were in hungers often, in peril of robbers, in weariness and painfulness, cold and unclothedness. yet this were the biggest believers seemingly. They never doubted the existence of God, they also experienced the miraculous.
Your hunger does not come exactly the same way, neither does your anger. Does this mean that your anger is not real? Where do you get the idea that God must be robotic to exist? Even your pain and joy have varying degrees even when subjected to the same conditions. They are not science, where if you mix hydrogen and chloride, you must get a particular solution etc. A thought that brings you strong laughter today, may not bring the same thing tomorrow, or even to another person. That is the reality of life.

Pyrrho:
Sometimes I think the likes of you, Ebuka and malvis are just on a quest to ridicule christianity.

A simple proposition, you are floating in mere words.

You claim your beliefs have been scrutinized, or you believe they can survive scrutiny?

What are you saying?

Can you present objective evidences to satisfy the my scepticism?

Again, "Some believe with signs, some do not. Many are skeptical, crazy and criminal even with signs. The Bible days are here, if you read the OP i gave 4 clear and personal testimonies of miracles and answers to prayers. It is NOT instructed that sick people should go to the elders of the church to get healing." Good to see that you did not refute this.
Don't confuse yourself for nothing, i have not said any of the words in italics, do you see visions as an atheist? Can you discuss intelligently about your skepticism?

Pyrrho:
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You guys should please stop all these long epistles you write to gain sympathizers for your belief.

Afterall the Bible says, "how would they believe without signs"?

Prove yourself to yourself first. Stop all the mere saying.

In case you haven't noticed, the Bible days are gone or never truly happened. It is just a matter of time before you begin to accept this fact.

It is a bitter pill to swallow. Nothing of the Bible era is working right now. It is instructed that sick people should go to the elders of the church to get healing. Can you try that and not look like a fool?

Look around you. Do you know what is expected of the church and christians?
Have you, in fact, done anything extraordinary?

Your faith ends the day you really start being true to yourself.

i do not need your sympathy, i'm helping those that care to understand, and that are willing to read answers to their questions. Many people believe they are not supposed to ask questions, i wonder where they got that idea. Many do not expect answers to their questions, or discussions for them to understand. They expect the christian answer to ALWAYS be "BELIEVE and THINK NOT". i'm a christian, and i dare say i have a better understanding of the issue being discussed, and i'm willing and ready to discuss if any is ready, which is usually not the case with atheists from experience.
Some believe with signs, some do not. Many are skeptical, crazy and criminal even with signs. The Bible days are here, if you read the OP i gave 4 clear and personal testimonies of miracles and answers to prayers. It is NOT instructed that sick people should go to the elders of the church to get healing.