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According to my president, tomorrow is New Year & IBB is his father: https:///Bf7nlcev5q

MajeMedia:
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http://www.manufacturingglobal.com/leadership/284/Yamaha-begins-manufacturing-in-Nigeria

" Demand is expected to skyrocket even further, due to the fact that motorcycles are fast taking over taxis as the number one form of transportation." In what land is this a fact? $1 million for start up? So what are our millionaires and billionaires waiting for to create thousands of jobs?

lastmessenger:
if you read the site the author has not spoken anything against the scriptures. He only interpreted the scriptures different from the traditional interpretations. He did not say that there is no hell or punishment for the unjust, he tried to prove using many scriptures that hell fire which the bible called the second death actually means the total annihilation of the ungodly.
God knows the right punishment for the angel who stayed in the presence of his glory and yet decided to go against him. we were only given a tip of the iceberg on what transpired between God and Satan.Therefore, i cant say if punishing Satan forever is just or not.

You're saying that you are inconclusive on the justice of punishing devil(s) forever. IF God punishes man forever, IF, can it be just, or you have a conclusion on that?

SuperMartins:
hmmm..maybe u ryt but still,i donot see anytin offensive in askn ur members to vote a certain person..maybe the holy spirit moved him to say such..

Test every spirit, the Holy Spirit would not say rubbish.

CCsurplus007:
He is not politically associated with any party. He just made some salient points which you will find interesting. you can do yourself well by downloading and listening to the audio file.

Rubbish is when a man says that Sani Abacha is the best leader Nigeria ever had. Rubbish is when a man says we still have Christians in lagos because of Ayo Oritsejafor. These are some of the interesting rubbish in that link you provided, these are no salient points.

efficiencie:
i did bro, i respected the context and in addition i gave him scriptural instances where his criticism of T B Joshua could also have been levelled against Solomon and the brethren of the Church of Acts...so it's a thing of the heart and only God searches the heart so only God can judge NOT US MERE HUMANS...but we can judge his TEACHINGS against the standard of the WORD...

for by our words we are condemned and by them justified (Matthew 12:37)

What are TBJ's teachings/doctrines?
Solomon wasn't giving alms. Giving to God directly through offerings or His ministers is not alms. You give alms to poor people to help them, that was what Jesus talked about. A thousand disobediences do not make the Word of Jesus irrelevant, His words don't pass away as it were.

lastmessenger:
It is possible the devil may suffer forever( for the man who deceived the whole world) but for humans who lived a few years and committed timed offence I can't say with certainty that he will be punished forever. My point is based on the sense made by the authors of the site provided by frosbel.
I believe there is always a just recompense of reward for the wrong committed by humans. The idea if total anihilation of the ungodly in hell is very much possible but like I said earlier I have not settled on this.

Okay, you are the only one that answered. i'm guessing that the rest are shy. So, do you think God is unjust to send devil(s) to hell forever?
P.S I'd advice you stick with what the Bible says, and not whatever sense some sites say.

There is a problem if IBB and witches are openly endorsing you.

efficiencie:
As for giving in the public, if T B Joshua does it to be seen of men then his reward awaits but if he's doing it to encourage and spur others to do likewise then his reward also awaits... but what would you say of Solomon who gave 22000 oxen and 120000 sheep to God in one day as seen in I Kings 8:63-64 (is that a kind of show off to you) and what of those who sold their property and brought the proceeds to the feet of Peter as seen in Acts 4:34-35 wouldn't that be a show off too...
Bro, that man T B Joshua teaches that 'what you give is not as important as the way you give it' so you see he knows that giving must be from a sincere, broken and contrite heart...and i believe he gives that way to make many follow suit...
you say he LURES people to church!!! That's funny because more than 70% of the people there throng the church for solutions they can get from God that money cannot get! He hasn't chained, forced or compelled anyone to stay, pay tithe or worship there...
Bro bring a SOLID ARGUMENT against his DOCTRINES...

I think Solot quoted New Testament and clearly about ALMS giving, respect that context.

efficiencie:
Many have CRITICISED T B Joshua for many things. Some claim he's a GRAPHIC, MOTION PICTURE ARTIST per excellence, some claim his source of power is OCCULTIC but these accusations do not HOLD WATER because if they do we would also have to ACCUSE the likes of OLUKOYA (MFM), ADEBOYE (RCCG), KUMUYI (DLBC) etc...However a formidable accusation would be against his DOCTRINE and it APPEARS no one has anything against his DOCTRINE...

Please if you have anything against his DOCTRINE, let's examine them in the light of God's Word!

Over to the THEOLOGIANS and amateurs!!!

What are his doctrines?

Interesting rubbish.

The way wasn't ready nah, isn't that what Jesus came to do?

Sincere questions to frosb, lastmessenger, CAPTIVATOR, aio and others who are skeptical about hell fire. Do you believe that God will send devil(s) to hell, do you believe it will be forever?

onayemi1:
The truth is that fayemi wrecked the state financially. He was borrowing money for the wrong reasons. How can a governor borrow money to build a government house, buy cars for the political class and also use 50m naira to buy bed. Fayemi made sure he not only left the state finance to be in red but also made sure that its in the negative. Shame on all our politician. None of them is ready to work other than embezzle state funds. I implore the incumbent governor to please look for means to pay the sepyember salary

All states and government owe money all over the world, kindly find out. The point is that from what we are hearing, Fayemi didn't owe his workers salary because of debt. He owed because the allocations used to pay came late. There is no problem with him owing debts if they were being serviced/paid and if the monies are put to good use for now and the future. A state should not just be grounded and do nothing simply because it's a poor state, and perhaps unfortunate to be persecuted for being another party state. I personally was ashamed to read the President, while campaigning, promising development to Ekiti IF they vote pdp. In other words, if another party wins, they will be neglected, is that good governance? I stay in the south west, and i can testify to the abandonment of federal roads and other things by the government.

investnotspend:
But 22billion naira was recently released by the federal govt to fayose for federal roads been constructed by Kayode fayemi administration and the allocation that was held , what did he do with the money ? Y can't September salary be paid ? Fayose with lies lies lies , I hope we all remember his chicken that does not shit back then also ? Lol , well ekiti kete ebi rice Lon pa wan Ko kin se ebi salary

If this is true, the 22billion naira, i think Fayose should be impeached, he is not fit to govern.

coolgb:
Really sad so many comments made on this thread,am just happy for one thing fayose used fayemi's same broom to sweep him away. You may not understand d situation better unless your parents or relatives are working in ekiti.

What is so special to understand? Which is not true in the following sentences?
State government in Nigeria depend on allocation from FG.
Ekiti state government owed its workers September salary.
Allocation from Federal has been paid for September.
Allocation from federal government came late.
Thanks

johhnnie:
governance is not the way they make the lay man see it. I will tell u that there is one thing we cannot take a way from Jonathan ' s administration and that is freedom of speech and association. Under APC governments, it will never be so.
to state categorically with examples, most states in nigeria are not self sufficient. yet, the politicians live in affluence. most especially, the APC states. They live on federal government allocations as well as loans from financial institutions. from these monies, they steal over 70% in order to perpetuate themselves in office. Unfortunately for Fayemi in Ekiti, PDP won the last election and that was what brought out the secrets. I can also boldly talk of Osun where a state that barely produces anything has as debt burden of over 120b. It was 9b under the last PDP government. that is part of the reason y these states cannot afford to pay salaries. There are also other intervention areas of partnership among the 3 levels of governance federal, State and local. The state governments in the southwest cornered substantial portion of these funds such that some health workers that are supposed to have been paid for the past 10 months are yet to be paid.

Freedom of speech? It's supposed to be a democracy i suppose. Why do you come to a conclusion that another government cannot allow freedom of speech? Don't say God told you please. All the states live on allocation, it is not most especially some states. You have given some other unsubstantiated information, but let's deal with the above for now.

johhnnie:
people will not truly understand the style of governance under APC governments in the southwest . its more like a cult like thing with so many secrets. They milk the treasury. I implore every interested fellow to Google out debt burden of the south western states. Osun owes over 110b, Ekiti owes over 40b, ogun state owes over 30 b naira while lagos debt burden stands at half a billion dollars. The most annoying thing is that they award contracts in such a way as to further place their subjects under slavery and servitude. most contract are awarded on a contractor- financing system. A situation whereby the contractor undertakes to finance the project with a proviso interest regime far higher than what the commercial banks take. The so contract go to the likes of tinubu5, Aregbesola and Co. They also operate a pyramidical financial system that is bound to collapse at any moment. that is y they want the federal power at all cost in order to save face from the impending financial doom across the states under their jurisdiction. This is tinubu ' s game plan.

Lol @d debt profile you conjured up. It would be fair if you gave us the profile of the 36 states, FCT and federal government, that way we can see a better picture.

olassy239:
he didnt say he wont pay,he said der is no money to pay sept debt yet

Why is there no money? Was he not given the September allocation?

frosbel:
More intelligent than you for sure by a million miles -

Calm down and don't get ahead of yourself na. Someone said that " Even the most intelligent people in the history had a belief in God." You sarcastically replied with T Paine. The simple question i asked you is if Paine was the most intelligent. Answer that, i don't claim to be intelligent duh. Also are you more intelligent than Paine?

Image123:
Who was/is Jesus' father? God the Father, plus i have Bible verseS that also say so. God begets God by His power, duh. Unlike you zealot, i know whom I've believed.

@frosb

anonimi:
You may need to replace your eyes and read widely so you can see clearly and stop embarrassing yourself.

The Federal Allocation Accounts Committee (FAAC), is made up of the 36 states and the federal government as CUSTODIAN only. They meet monthly to agree on sharing of the national cake aka Niger Delta oil revenue.

The states are free to sue the federal government to the Supreme court if they feel they have been shortchanged in the sharing. They have done that before over the oil subsidy payments, Excess Crude Account etc.



Many of us seem IGNORANT of the fact that we have been in a growing democracy for the past 16 years or so and the separate but complimentary INSTITUTIONS are slowly recognising and exercising their constitutionally guaranteed INDEPENDENCE while the useless politicians in the 36 states and 774 LGAs continue deceiving their fellow citizens of the sole responsibility of the federal government for their daily existence

I wonder what you are struggling to say with many words. The reality at hand is that state governments depend on the federal government for sustenance and monthly allocation. I'm not saying that is good or bad, just saying that is what happens. The FG delays that allocation. Process that.

I'm informed to pity your wellbeing, I'll now leave you to play with your belt, phone and whatever else you fancy. ciao.

WinsomeX:
Has God given up on you? Are you the one sent to kill me?? Or you think you can mesmerise me in the same manner your friend mbaemeka tried and failed? You guys are just wimps. You loose the ability to defend or sustain an argument and then you resort to mystical jargon. I know my position with God, you may save your advice for yourself.

You are staying close to the dictionary, good for you i suppose. i wish you sanity.

adconline:
So Fayemi with all his UK and US degrees and publications owed govt workers?? He was always very critical of corrupt govts in Africa when he was in the US.
Nigeria is irredeemably confined to poverty!!
Fayose even lacks compassion.. Can he in all honesty to tell his household that there is money for September upkeep??

The FG (pdp) delays monthly allocations. State government depends on monthly allocations, and opposition states are usually the worst hit from what i see.

frosbel:
Yes, like Thomas Paine etc.

Of course there is a GOD, 100%....how any one can arrogantly suggest otherwise is beyond me.

So Paine was the most intelligent people in the world?

WinsomeX:
I will stick with my so called delirium and you should stay with the unfortunate truth that while that thread remains the greatest discuss on tithes, it also doubles as the greatest portrayal of your ignorance on the subject. By the time I am through with your busybody stu_pidity, you will learn not to mess with delirious individuals either on nl or anywhere else.

agba'ya..!

God has not given up on you, stop the suicide mission.

Candour:
Wetin you chop wey don make you high like this thou man of God come in the spirit of pastor C? Softly softly with this 'anointing' o

Maybe it was the chicken oh. i will behaving.

Oh come of it already Fayose. We know that ekiti state is one of the poorest in Nigeria, but taking it to the HEADLINES in the name of politics is an all time low. Pay your workers, do your job, and stop making noise. It's obvious he's leaving that particular month's salary unpaid to sustain bad blood from the poor people against the opposition. He's still the one going to pay it as governor, so he should quit the drama and pay.

WinsomeX:
And what exactly is your headache? That you were trounced soundly in a tithe discuss you were never supposed to have been involved with because you had no point defending a fraud or that you lack enough common sense to mind your own business especially when my business is not infringing on yours in anyway?

So my guy, abeg, if you want to enjoy some peace on this forum in the New Year, stay out of my business.

Delirium seems to be setting in, pele.

frosbel:
- who was the father then ?
- God the Father or God the Holy Spirit ?
- And How does God beget God.
- Surely by inference Mary is the mother of God, so Catholics were right all long ?


Oh I forgot, you don't know the answers , you were brainwashed into believing in this hogwash

Who was/is Jesus' father? God the Father, plus i have Bible verseS that also say so. God begets God by His power, duh. Unlike you zealot, i know whom I've believed.

italo:
Yes. Abubakar Shekau is God's child.

Is he? I didn't know.