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Candour: Just like you rely on lies and fabrications on Didache to further the tithe scam.

Garyarnold took his focus off the issue gave word talk leverage. When anybody refuses to be distracted by unimportant things, tithe collectors always scamper like you image123 always does

ashieduplus: So according to someone's twisted logic, if the brother of madman says the truth we should simply ignore him because he and the lunatic are brothers "cut from the same cloth"....

Na wah..

Mark Miwerds: Hmmm, I just read Matthew 23:23 and it doesn't say

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, Church goers, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of money, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

What it actually says is

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

It would be wise to stick with what it does say and not what it does not say.

Enigma: And it is also important to always be clear on the identification of the main issues:

- no condemnation upon people who with full/proper information or knowledge of both sides of the argument choose to tithe;
- the teaching of tithing as obligatory or compulsory is debatable and remains open to challenge.

InesQor: More from Luke 6

And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. (v34)

Still giving your tithes to stinkingly wealthy men of God in hopes of getting some blessing?

Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. (v38)

Enigma: Just a note to say that those who claim that The Didache refers to "tithing" are being quite misleading. What they are relying on are not direct references to tithes but statements in relation to "first fruits" and "commandment"; those statements and the way they are couched, especially when the reference to commandment is said in the same breath as indicating free choice on the part of the giver, raise issues of interpretation. The Didache itself does not mention "tithes"!

Here are two translations of The Didache; let us see who will be the first to find the word "tithe" in it!

http://www.scrollpublishing.com/store/Didache-text.html

http://www.paracletepress.com/didache.html


Meanwhile, those interested may find a rebuttal to the RC Sproul essay by Russell Kelly (incidental a registered member of Nairaland) here http://www.tithing-russkelly.com/id172.html

Image123: ~ First century christians gave tithe and the Bible never condemned tithe, deal with that.

Image123: Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Spirit and Life, who has time for garbage?

Mark Miwerds: You will be waiting for eternity and Image123 will still not produce that Scripture, Bro.

thehomer: Please explain to me how commanding the killing of children and infants is good.

What convinced you that he does? If it is someone simply saying that they do, then I own humanity. So do Brahma and Allah. Stop living in denial and believe what I've said.

He is no more real than any of those characters. Another reason why you need to learn to carefully consider what has been said.
What shall it profit a man to kill his children in God's name and lose his own soul? - thehomer 2013

As I said, you'll believe anything as long as it was written in the Bible. - thehomer 2013

Have you ever supposed that the Bible contains wrong information? Another example of why you need to learn how to consider what has been said. If you're unable to consider abstractions, then you'll find it hard to read and understand Ingersoll. All he is saying is asking you why you should believe something simply because someone told it to you. Especially when what was said makes no sense.

Aww. Are you seeing the absurdity of your position. It looks like you're too lazy or dumbfounded to think clearly. You are incomplete without Brahma or Allah. You can never replace him since you've heard of him.
Try not to think about Allah for a year and see if you won't fall sick.

You aren't dense. here is what I said again, carefully read through what I've said and see the absurdity of your position.
Are you saying humans cannot be killed for any reason? Or that living things cannot be killed for any reason? I've told you what I support so your wailing here doesn't add anything.

His evil is seen in the actions he recommended according the Bible. If the Bible contains no wrong judgement or information, then why don't you support slavery? Or kill witches? Stop crying as if the devil is whipping you. Try to address the substance of what I say.
I said that because your God hates atheists. If you're now better than your God, then simply say so.

Thankfully the only God that exists is Brahma and you're not meek. If you were, you won't even be arguing. I don't need a God for any of my characteristics.

I know you find his plain language difficult but that is your problem not his.

You are deeply mistaken with respect to lexicography if you think the Bible is the source of dictionary meanings.
Temperance is not a fruit of the Holy Ghost. You do not have it.

You are ignorant and drunk. Have you ever lived underground? I'm guessing no else you'll know what a scrafadoo is. I might be surprised thought. Do you know what intellect is? if you have lived underground, you will not be ignorant of the reality/possibility of scrafadoos.

No you don't have Nirvana. The only way to Nirvana is through Brahma so if you have Nirvana or will get, then you're following Brahma (who is even more powerful than your God). Allah has several virgins. Do you have several virgins?

You're the one presenting fantasies as true. I also showed you irrefutable reasons why your God created humans. You are busy getting confused. Try to avoid ignorance by learning.

You do realize that what Jesus taught was different from what the Jews believe.
6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.


This is why I say you should read your own Bible. If you're this ignorant about your Bible, what makes you think you can speak for God?

While you and your God are like people who steal more than 500 trillion naira.

You cannot attain Nirvana without Brahma so I guess you're finally considering Brahma.

Another reason why you need to learn to use language appropriately. If you simply wanted to talk about people, then you should limit your talk to people rather than talking about the larger class of living things.

Here is a man that comes into Jerusalem, and the first thing he does he cures the blind. He lets the light of day visit the darkness of blindness. The eyes are opened and the whole world is again pictured upon the brain. Another man is clothed with leprosy. He touches him, and the disease falls from him, and he stands pure, and clean, and whole. Another man is deformed, wrinkled, bent. He touches him and throws upon him again the garment of youth. A man is in his grave, and He says, "Come forth!" and he again walks in life, feeling his heart throb and beat, and his blood going joyously through his veins.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Rom 10:11 For the Scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Rom 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Rom 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

Rom 10:20 But Isaiah is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
Rom 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

Candour:

Image the comedian

debosky: I don't say this to be antagonistic, but I would appreciate it if you could share with us the evidence to support this.

Candour: And who collected tithes from them? Jesus or the Apostles?

Story story......keep spinning your stories bro, I'm all ears

nagoma: It's true . The thief's picture was in the papers last week with the tools he used and the loads of money piled infront of him.I think his name was also given in the paper but he is not Igbo.

shdemidemi: @debo

I admire your questions here, you come across like a stickler to what the book says than what seem right to man or what we want the book to say.

@ image

I commend you for your zest for the word of God. Though, I notice a double standard in your interpretation. On one hand you seem to agree God foreknew, called and predestined us according to His own purpose. On the other hand you seem to propagate a gospel that says you could lose your salvation by what you do or do not do.

mazaje: Ok cool. . .I accept my error. . .


19 The LORD God formed out of the ground every living animal of the field and every bird of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them, and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.

20 So the man named all the animals, the birds of the air, and the living creatures of the field, but for Adam no companion who corresponded to him was found.


Jesus and all the early apostles were jews by birth, tell us another one .

Adam did not name any animal we know. . .did he name the cow, rabbit, goat, whale, chimpanzee etc?. . .Why do people call them different names in different languages?. . .

Jesus and ther early appostles did NOT write any part of the story in genesis. . .There are practicing Jews uptil today and they do not agree with the christian interpretation of the eden story. . .

mazaje: Now you have resulted to lying for Jesus eh?. . .Where in the bible does it say that Adam maintained any part of the garden? Remember according to the story they had everything at the garden and the ground was cursed only after they ate the fruit. . .Pls show where it was written that Adam maintained anything from the bible or take your drivel somewhere else. . .Why are the same animals given different names in different languages if the mythical Adam named them all?. . .Was it the mythical Adam that named the dinosaur and the sharks?. .Pls don;t be ridiculous pls. . .The people that invented the story were Jews and not even christians. . .

mazaje: I am not saying, the bible says he did not have the knowledge of good and evil before he ate the fruit of knowledge. . .How was adam the most intelligent man when he did not know anything?. . .According to the story god had to sew cloths for them before driving them out of the garden. . .The OT is a Jewish book, they invented the stories and wrote it down before the christians came and usurped it and gave it their own meaning and interpretations. . .

mazaje: I don't believe anything about the Adam and eve story, it is only a fictitious story, I was only stating what was writing in the story and how the christian interpretation of the story which is very different from the jewish interpretation portrays Yahweh as an irresponsible parent. . .Adam never named any animal any where, if he did all animals will be called by the names he gave them in all languages, stop talking about it as if the fictitious account has anything to do with reality, animals are named after they have been discovered. . .What name did Adam give to the pit bull or Chuwawa?. . .Don't be be ridiculous pls. .



I don't have any adamic nature, even the Jews that invented they myth do not agree with the nonsense you are writing. . .They do not believe in original sin or fall of man to them the eden story stands for man coming to an age of awareness and enlightenment. . .Its he christains that give it their own meaning because of Jesus. . .The people that invented the story do not even agree with you, so stop giving me your indoctrinated crap. . .

mazaje: Are you crazy. . .How did Adam name all the animals and in what language?. . . .Hope you know that animals are named only after they have been discovered. . .Why are there different names to the same animals in different languages if Adam named all the animals?. . .How can you be talking about ancient Jewish mythology as if its true?. . .Na wah for you ohh. . .

Mr Troll: Na wa o. They'll have us believe Adam really did name all the animals. Smh. In what language did he do it?
Is this a joke or what? Do grown ass adults still think this Adam and Eve story actually happened for real?

debosky: Sir, you've refused to say how God takes our tithes from us. Or don't you know what how means?

thehomer: God's purpose for creating man is to send him to hell.

God can be accused of theft, murder, genocide and rape because he doesn't own humanity.

Do Voltron and Winnie the Pooh have as much effect on your life as this God?
At least Ingersoll had a good head on his shoulders. The same cannot really be said about a supposedly omniscient entity who didn't know what the world he created looked like.
You should read some archaeology and actually read what Ingersoll wrote. The fact that the Bible said that doesn't mean it happened. Read the calculations on the number of people that were supposed to have been wandering through the desert and try to think about whether or not it was possible. But as I said, you'll believe anything as long as it is written in the Bible.

No, I said you'll believe anything that was written in the Bible. Learn to read things in context. This is where I first said it and repeated what I meant in this thread.

Suppose when I read it, the revelation to me, through the bible, is that it is not true, and God knew that I would know that when I did read it, and knew, if I did not say it, I would be dishonest. Is it possible that He would damn me for being honest, and give me wings if I would play the hypocrite? - Some Reasons Why by Robert Ingersoll

God knew that the majority won't believe in him and decided that he will damn all those that didn't believe in him. How then can you say his purpose wasn't to damn humans? Allah has virgins to offer you, Brahma has Nirvana to offer you. You really should consider those Gods before trying to discount them.

I've never felt incomplete without Jesus. If your God exists, good luck to him. I'm simply using your words to show you the ridiculousness of your position. You've seen the emptiness of your position but you seem to struggle when it made bare.

Are you saying humans cannot be killed for any reason? Or that living things cannot be killed for any reason? I've told you what I support so your wailing here doesn't add anything.

No, the goodness of the God of the Bible is the subject not the Bible since the Bible as you know contains wrong judgements and wrong information. And I love you too - no homo.

Then by all means, accept that your gentleness and meekness are superficial. Mine is actually deeper than yours since whether or not your God exists, my own characteristics remain the same.

You're not losing me at all. I just thought that inviting men into you under Christianity was an iffy proposition.

Ah, but they tell me "You have no right to pick the bad things out of the bible." I say, an infinite God has no right to put bad things into His bible. Does anybody believe if God was going to write a book now He would uphold slavery; that He would favor polygamy; that He would say kill the heathen, stab the women, dash out the brains of the children? We have civilized him. We make our own God, and we make Him better day by day. - Some Reasons Why - Robert Ingersoll

No, I saw actual evil in the Bible like God commanding people to go out and kill everyone in a city including children and infants. You were asking for the meaning of a word. Anyone who knows anything about learning a language should know to look in a dictionary for the meaning of words.

Do you know what a scrafadoo is? If you know what intellect is, then you should know what a scrafadoo is. It is close to what your intellect is. Have you ever lived underground? I'm guessing no, else you'll not be asking me what a scrafadoo is. I might be surprised though.

So are you saying that you do not commit anymore sins? Though Brahma is waiting to lead you to Nirvana. Try following him. If you think he is too strange, then you can try Allah. Muslims are waiting for you.

And I've shown you why the Bible is wrong in several ways. You're the one refusing to discuss the implications of the words in the Bible.

Do not be hasty, that is my motto. - (Treebeard) - The Two Towers

You shouldn't be so ignorant of the Bible. Are you saying you don't know of the passage that recommends people to kill members of their family if they say they want to worship some other God?

Suppose the devil had inspired a book. In what respect would he have differed from God on the subject of slavery, polygamy, wars of extermination, and religious persecution? Suppose we knew that after God had finished his book the devil had gotten possession of it, and written a few passages to suit himself. Which passages, O Christian, would you pick out now as having probably been written by the devil? Which of these two, "Love thy neighbor as thyself," or "Kill all the males among the little ones, and kill every man, but all the women and girls keep alive for yourselves"—which of those two passages would they select as having been written by the devil? - Some Reasons Why by Robert Ingersoll

To continue with your analogy, your God hasn't stolen 50 naira, he has stolen more than 500 trillion naira.

So you can attain Nirvana.

But bacteria are living things aren't they? I have no issues with a woman making her own choices as I've already explained to Mr anony. You can read my responses to him on this issue here.

This is why I say you need to resolve some issues you seem to be having with the language and carrying out a conversation because you keep stumbling all over yourself here.

Candour: And I tell you it's a lie. Haba! How can you come here and tell us Paul ordered Christians to give? Give otherwise he'll do what?

Read that 1Cor 16:1-2 again. Concerning the collections which they already knew about, he gave an order on format of collection which was 'set it aside on first day of the week'. What is so difficult to understand?

Every believed knows knows he's to give if he truly realises what God gave up for him or her. So how can you justify saying Paul ordered them to give. Where is the God loveth a cheerful giver part?

Paul didn't collect tithes. He collected freewill collections and he didn't need to force anybody because He had no right to.

This your thinking is what egged Rev King on to murder o. Having power over Christians? Haba!