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(1) The word “Trinity” is not in the Bible.

Neither is the word 'Bible', very boring.

(2) There is no clear Trinitarian formula in the Bible.

Give us a clear one anywhere, then i'll show you that one in the Bible.

(3) Trinitarians differ greatly in their definitions of the Trinity.If one is to believe in the Trinity, how is he to know which definition is correct, since none appears in the Bible?

Religious people differ greatly on their concept of god, so let's pack our bags and go home, we've discovered reason there is no God.

(4) The Trinitarian contention that “the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and together they make one God” is not in Scripture and is illogical.

the Father God, and the Son God ( Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. )
the Spirit God- (Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.)

(5) God is spirit (John 4:24), yet even after his resurrection Jesus said of himself that he was not a spirit, but flesh and bone (Luke 24:39).

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

(6) Jesus is very plainly called a man many times in Scripture: John 8:40; Acts 2:22; 17:31; 1 Tim. 2:5, etc. In contrast to this, the Bible says, “God is not a man…” (Numbers 23:19), and “…For I am God, and not man…” (Hosea 11:9).

context, context, and context.

Phi 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phi 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Will Jesus lie, Is Jesus faithful? Context and contrast. Who is the Holy One?

Hos 11:9 I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.
Mar 1:24 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.
Act 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

It's such a shame that you don't know the basics as to why Jesus came to earth.

(7) Numbers 23:19 also specifically says that God is not “a son of man.” In the Gospels, Jesus is often called “a son of man” or “the son of man.” If God became a human being who was called “the son of man” this creates a contradiction.

Bite yourself, He became us.
Heb 7:26 For such a high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Take a bite of 'contradiction'(Jonah 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not. )/neither the son of man, that he should repent:

(8 ) God was not born, but is eternal. In contrast to the eternal God, Christ was “begotten,” that is, he had a beginning.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea
perhaps 'Yahweh' also got a beginning, seeing He's first and last like Jesus.

(9) Jesus is called the “Son of God” more than 50 times in the Bible. Not once is he called “God the Son.”

Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ;
1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
i'm awaiting the glorious appearing of the great God.

(10) Man (Adam) caused mankind’s problems, and Romans 5:19 says that a man will have to undo those problems: “For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.” Some theologians teach that only God could pay for the sins of mankind, but the Bible clearly teaches that only a man could do it.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
you need history lessons from the Bible, all these boring articles are making you dull. God became flesh, man. God was manifest in the flesh.

Pastor Kun: Olodo as usual you display your ignorance, am I the author of the article Abi you can't read and see were the article was sourced from? It was becos of hypocrites like you that I didn't add my personal comments to the opening post yet your paranoia about this fraudulent tithe doctrine you profess is pushing you to tell open lies against me on the forum. SMH

Beside's what as this article got to do with smearing God's name Since when did exposing fraud become smearing God's name? You desperately need to repent from your evil + manipulative ways.

Who typed the title of the thread? Everybody reads the title before opening the thread, sly fox.

@plap

Bros Image, one article ke? I do read alot of them, from different authors, not just one.
I embrace articles with biblical references only. Is it wrong to?

one article too many, we are saying the same thing. Overfeeding can cause constipation, especially junk food.

Bros you don start oooo, where over did you see the trinity in the scripture?

Here
-Jesus Christ has in Him the fullness of the Godhead.
Colo 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
-Jesus said He was greater than all and equal with the Father.
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

-All power, all glory, all knowledge, and all wisdom belong to Jesus.
John 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

-The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, either the Father or the Son. Because the Son is God, it is said;

Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

-the holy Spirit is equal to Jesus. Jesus is Comforter, and the Holy Spirit is another comforter, like Jesus. He is a person.Jesus said God is a Spirit.

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;

-The Spirit of God that dwelt in the old testament saints was actually the Spirit of God the Son

1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

-The icing of the cake is here as paul declares the Holy Spirit to be the Lord.

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

-The Godhead act in such seamless harmony that you can easily substitute one's action for the other and be saying the same thing, just like jesus demonstrated severally here. Is it Jesus speaking, or the Holy Spirit, or the Father? The answer is that it is God speaking.

Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

-When God was 'tempted' in the wilderness all those 40years, it was God that was been 'tempted' i.e not just the tetramaggon known the Father, but also Jesus, and the Holy Ghost.
1Co 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, Today if ye will hear his voice,
Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Heb 3:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
Heb 3:11 So I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)


-This below sounds so much like God the Son, need i say more?

Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

-Jesus Christ built all things. He made everything, and without Him was not anything made that was made. Well, imagine the tag attached to Him below.

Heb 3:3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as[b] he who hath builded the house[/b] hath more honor than the house.
Heb 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.

I did not ignore those verses you presented, i didn't see where they talk about the trinity so how do you expect me to hold on to them?

The teaching on the doctrine of the trinity is that there is One God in Three Persons. Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and the Father is God. These three are proclaimed as God all over the Bible.

Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.


Gen 21:33 And Abraham planted a grove in Beer-sheba, and called there on the name of the LORD, the everlasting God.

1Co 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
Tell me plap, who was tempted in the wilderness, the Father, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit, or God?

So you finally agreed with these verses refuting your trinitarian belief?

All the verses said that Jesus is the Son of God, that is a fact not under dispute. Commonsense should tell you that the Trinitarians call Him 'the Son'. Every normal person knows that Jesus is the Son of God.

@frosb

But it's your Holy Trinity idol , no ?

i don't know those guys or images, you know them better ithink. you are making vacuous atheistic arguments going down the line of 'who first'. there are many myths and stories so much like the Jesus' account B.C. Does that make Jesus a myth? before the first miracle God performed through man in scriptures, there were already magicians working signs and wonders. So God must be copying them according to your line of reasoning? there were many idol temples around the world before Solomon's temple, so God was not in Solomon's temple, no? Your devouring of trash on the internet in the name of seeing light is becoming legendary frosb.

@ijawk

Jesus was given the title eternal Father because he is the 2nd adam....

The 1st adam if he hadn't sinned against Yahweh would have been our eternal Father....

But Jesus being the 2nd adam fills that position...
Jesus is Father over us(by virtue of the fact that he is the 2nd adam,Yahweh is Father over Jesus(the oga kpata kpata).....



How do u like that??

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Love it or hate it, Jesus is the Lord God of heaven and earth. Oya, pull out another dry explanation from planet Saturn.

You would not do laundry, heavy cooking (that takes hours), shopping, watch movies or lots of television or house cleaning on the Sabbath.

These are man made laws, they won't make you holier or closer to God. Keeping them or not keeping them does not damn anybody into hell fire.
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a show of wisdom in will-worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honor to the satisfying of the flesh.

So its like you do things normal like in other days of the week, isnt this breaking of the Sabbath, it is supoosed to be a special day not like others.

Was a special day iwouldsay. These days, there be many a special day. Sunday, they say, is the Lord's day, aint that special too? October 1 is a special day, so also is july 4 and september 11. heck, my anniversaries are special days too. today is also special.
Psa 118:24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.

Luke 23:56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.

I think the Sabbath is a total rest, doing any kind of Job, cooking, lundry, cleaning of home etc... may lead to breaking it.

Jesus did many wonderful works on the sabbath day. he even said that that's the way His Father worked.

Joh 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I WORK.
He worked on the sabbath day, and it made the 'godly' people of His time very angry. The verse you referenced is a respect for the norms of the land, even as they do not contradict the will of God. It's the same thing i talked of earlier, spiritual maturity if i may borrow that word. Maturity is not looking down on others as inferior, and damned souls who haven't seen the light. It is a giving of no offence, ad much as possible or lieth in thee, to live peaceable with all men.

But what other New Testament evidence is there of Sabbath observance? Are there other passages revealing what day Paul kept—and what day he used to teach those Gentiles God was converting? Let’s examine a series of verses, first referenced in all capital letters.

it's either ignorance or dishonesty that will make anyone to conclude that either Paul or Jesus only did whatever they did on the sabbath days. Of course its common sense for them to go to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, because most of the jews would gather on that day to hear the Word of God. It was more of a taking advantage of available opportunities to preach the gospel. but they also preached, prayed, taught, healed, worshipped on any other day.

Act 2:46 And they, continuing[b] daily[/b] with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
These new converts went to the temple daily, not just on the sabbath days. Also,

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight

Paul was a wise masterbuilder, and so were the other apostles, and all christians should also be wise and harmless. When paul got to a new location, he'd first look for jews and speak to hem on their meeting days, which was of course the sabbath.(Act 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the Scriptures)
Like Jesus said,
Joh 4:37 And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth.
Joh 4:38 I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labor: other men labored, and ye are entered into their labors.
It's easier to preach to those who believe there is God, probably have a Bible, have some fear of God and reverence, speak your language, are your skin color etc, than a total stranger. So Paul and co, as their manner was usually started from the known, building a base to the unknown. he wasn't forever waiting for the sabbath day to share,
Act 17:17 Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him.

Does the New Testament mentionSunday? No, but it does mention the “first day of the week” in eight places. They are not difficult to examine. Before we begin, recognize that at least one of these passages must clearly authorize Sunday observance.

1Cor 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
This is a clear evidence that the early christians were not limited to meeting only on a saturday. these set of people met, at least for a period of time, on the first day of the week. Lastly, i'll re-echo the Word of command from the Spirit of God.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

@plapv

Good, but that doesnt mean you have to compare a "Day set aside" by God to every other days. I don't think we have limits in worshiping God; at thesame time this does not erase God's Holy sabbath. Because, its the only Day that seperate pagans from Believeres, you observe Sunday, Pagans does also, what difference does this make? Do you do work on sabbath day as well?

i'll say to you like unto Peter,
Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

i don't observe any day, sunday, saturday, christmas day, even birthday. But i don't look down on those that observe any of these days, and i respect and participate where necessary. I'm not limited to or under bondage to any day. to me, like the Psalmist, every day is the day that the Lord has made. i can worship God on any day, work on anyday, and rest on any day. That is the position God was trying to take man in the law. the sabbath was made for man, and not the other way round. It is not my observing or not observing the sabbath day that makes me or my worship and fellowship acceptable to God.
Psa 118:24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Does this verse cancelling the Sabbath or making it simple enjoyable for man?

The verse makes us free from the shackles of the law regarding the sabbath.

Remember Apostle Peter warning on Pauls letters.....

2nd Peters 3:15-16: "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;" 16: "As also in all his epistles,speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."


The Apostle Paul wrote how to repent and follow Christ in the keeping of the commandments. However unlearned men and women gather Paul’s writings of salvation which are hard to be understood; and because they are unlearned and unstable about keeping God’s commandments they wrest (Struggle with their lusts, twist the understanding of the scriptures which lead themselves and others to destruction. As a result to this, many teach doctrines that are contrary to the scriptures and solely base their lies upon the letters of Paul.


Some of the doctrines taught today by the unlearned and unstable are as follows:

a: the laws are done away with.(they usually based on acts 15 and Gala 3:11)
b: disobedience to Dietary laws,(this is based on 1timo 4:4)
c: defiling the Sabbath and Holy days(this is usually based on Romans 14:5,6 and Galats 4:9-11 & Col.2:16)

Why isolating certain letters of Paul, and ignoring the fact that the Lord taught us how we should learn the Scriptures.

Isaiah 28:9-10: "9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the bosoms".

10 "For precept must be upon precept, line upon line, here a little and there a little:"

each scripture must clearly balance with the other scriptures so that one has the proper understanding in the bible. If Paul, Jesus and others kept God Holy Sabbath, then, they will expect us to do thesame.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
This is a very plain scripture, there is no twisting in it, you can read and write. If you want to worship God on saturday, i'm okay with it, but don't shove it down my throat. i'll worship God any day, and will observe my rest as duty, common sense , and the Spirit of God demands. i showed you earlier that even in the Bible, the sabbath could fall on any day. sabbath simply means rest, not saturday.

Lev 23:31 Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
Lev 23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
Lev 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation.
Lev 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.

These verses from this Leviticus chapter are an example of a sabbath days that would not fall on saturday everytime. You can't be more catholic than the pope abeg.

plap, i'm answering you concerning your sabbath issues on your sabbath thread, thanks.

https://www.nairaland.com/1042585/how-observe-shabbath#1042585.22

@fmk

yes filled up if they think they are going to heaven to own houses, cars and bitche.s as they are accustomed to do it here and dancing hallelujah they are mistaken look at here bellow

Revelation chap 14 from verse -3 to 5

they sang as it were a new song before the throne before the four living creatures and elders and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty four thousand who were redeemed from the earth .
4. these are the ones who were not defiled with women for they are virgins these are the ones who follow the lamb

5. and in their mouth was found no deceit for they are without fault before the throne of God



Are you virgin ? and no fault ?

the verse doesn't say that heaven is filled up, try again.
Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him a hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

every child of God is born again, redeemed and follow the Lamb everywhere.
Luk 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honor.
1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

As usual, kunle comes in with his dishonesty in trying to smear God's name and the word 'tithe'. Any sane christian knows that this is not a tithe. A tithe of what? If 45mill is a tithe, where is the remaining 90%. Is the man being paid 450mill for him to give a tithe of 45mill? If the man stole, then the stealing should be the focus. Every sane person knows stealing is bad, try him for stealing. All this subtle tying of the thing as tithe to give tithe a bad name just shows the level of politics and dishonesty at play. Little wonder you people no reach 31, mr many many people.

bookmarked, this is boringly interesting.

debosky: I don't see any reason to question him TBH. . . .the original post said they were gathering to share the Word of God, and it appears that's what they did (albeit sharing their understanding of it).

If Christians gather to share the Word, I assume they gather in Jesus' name, unless I see something contrary.

I'm asking whether you've seen anything contrary, as a more mature brother in the faith.

what makes you to refer to me as a more mature brother in the faith?

plap, did you type all these? if yes, I'm impressed, at least it shows you're more serious than copy and paste champions of nl. so, did you type all these?

duh, it's from someone's book. anyway, I'd reply later. hope you'd discuss then.

[quote author=petres_007]Sorry. Didn't know you were kidding. Sure didn't sound like it.[/quote]debo, this is the guy you should be questioning, not me. he's been so sure and you're not asking him why. me that I'm not sure of something, you wan squeeze out why. why?

frosbel: Mate , admit it, you guys are totally perplexed with this toxic wine called Trinity.


https://xfd.xanga.com/e29f90f0d5230282185121/b224916644.jpg

those guys must have been copy cats like you, only that they didn't give the source.

truthislight: lol,
dont support what is bad, Tithing is not for christian.

Christian giving is voluntary, no compulsion. Bye.
Peace

where are you going? you wan run leave plap for hia like frosb ba?

plappville: My broda, is not about likining or hating, its about the truth. Why don't you take a look at the origin of this doctrine? What do you have to contradict in the verses i posted.

Yahweh is not the SON, He is the Father, this is the simple truth.

origin? you seem to have read one article too many. The teaching of the Trinity is clearly stated all over the Bible. i gave you undeniable Bible verseS. You ignored them all and went after one that you think you can reason out. there's nothing to 'contradict' with the Scripture passages you posted. nobody said that Jesus is not the Son of God.

plappville: If he has a God then how can He be God, Do you mean "Christ" is a God that Have a superior God?

if he has a father, how can he be a father?

obadiah777: I AM SURE YOU DID NOT HEAR ME SAY IT WAS FILLED UP. YOU MUST BE MISTAKING ME FOR SOMEONE ELSE.

okay, the filled up part was fmk. thanks for the clarification.

debosky: I understand that doubt = not fully convinced.

What I asked for is why - what is causing you to doubt/what is the source of your doubt?

yyyyeeeeeeeaaaaaa, i. don't know ohhhh. all i know is that i doubt oooh.

debosky: What makes you doubt they were gathered in Jesus' name?

I'm not fully convinced, that's why i doubt it. At least you understand English unlike that petesh that is already affirming my doubts.

^filled up?

obadiah777: MATTHEW 6 VS 9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. ABODE OF GOD

LUKE 17 VS 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. ABODE OF THE SPIRIT

MATTHEW 6 VS 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven ABODE ON EARTH WHEN CHRIST RETURNS

you're dancing, where are the Bible passages that say heaven is filled up with 144000

truthislight: to you Jesus = Yahweh

did i offend you somewhere? you seem to have the hots for me, I'm male o.

obadiah777: the 144,000 are already in heaven. heaven is in you. however they will be in physical heaven when christ returns. heaven is the dwelling of the human spirit and the dwelling of the human body and the dwelling of the lord. a trifactor, if you will

remains the Bible verse na, or you read it from an article like frosb?

The premium you WoLFers place on numbers is one red flag I believe consistently gives you away. The way that leads to life isn't the one with multitudes on it.



Because they hold a different opinion than yours means they did not gather in Jesus' name?

Wolfers, that's a new one.What does it mean my dear? i wasn't the one that talked about the program been WELL ATTENDED, or of MORE AND MORE people. na your pikin Kunle talk am. i was just playing with him but e be like say the thing pain you sotay you wan rename a whole grown up.

Pastor Kun: Olodo, all I have written about tithes on this
forum remain bible based facts unlike you that type of tithes you preach is not supported by un diluted scripture. It is a verifiable fact that scriptures had to be twisted to arrive at the unbiblical type of tithes preached and practised today. This is the TRUTH people are getting to know that you and your cohorts would rather keep them in the dark about cause of your greedy selfish gain.

if only you understood english, you'll have known that my remark was to your 'we plenti' insinuation, not how right or wrong your bollocks look.

eei, muskeet and his cohorts are throwing out their toys with glee, let me not disturb them.

JeSoul, i fine oh. i v.much doubt they were gathered in Jesus' name. The chiding though was from kunle's talk about The program was well attended and more and more people are coming to the knowledge of truth that tithing is not meant for christians. It was a blatant insinuation.

BTW, where is Gosh?

As a side retort

Bros, didn't the bible say a man and his wife are one flesh? does that make them two in "ONE"? no

Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more two, but one flesh. Therefore what God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Do you believe this verse at all?

Jesus is not God eternally....Jesus has a God...

Has that part of the truth being eluding your memory.??

Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Nobody said Jesus does not have a God. the issue under focus is that Jesus is God

@plap

DO YOU ATTEND CHURCH ON A SATURDAY? the day decleared by God as a day of rest? if u are to claim that you observe the sabbath as Jesus observed it. Because we can see that Jesus faithfully attended the synagogue on Sabbath.

Luke 4:16 "He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom."
Luke 4:31 "Then he went down to Capernaum, a town in Galilee, and on the Sabbath began to teach the people."

Do you teach people on Saturday or Sunday?

Yes i do, i attend church on saturday, sunday, monday, any day of the week. And that's how Jesus did it. Jesus was faithful to the meeting days of His time as you rightly noted, but He was never limited to them. he didn't have to wait for any day to do what needed to be done. We should each respect and be faithful to the meeting day or days of f our church(es). But remember.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
The day is not what makes us holy or acceptable to God.

Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
The early church was not limited to a particular day to worship God. Even though they respected the sabbath, the Lord's day, and other such days, they were not bound by it.

You said all days belongs to GOD, but yet God choosed the 7th day are the Holy day of his, A day of rest. How cann you now say all day is DESAME AND God sees all day as you see them?

All days belong to God, i'm not just saying it, it is the truth. Again, Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

by the way, there are many sabbath days, not only saturday. Sabbath simply and basically means rest. Whether Monday, or Tuesday, or Saturday, or Plapvday, the day of rest is your Sabbath, and the Lord of Rest dwells in all believers.
Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Lev 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
Lev 25:4 But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.
Consider how in the second passage, the sabbath is not just limited to the seventh day. And also in the 1st passage, the feast's sabbath cannot always fall on a saturday every year, yet the feast was to be observed. For instance July 15(the fifteenth day of the seventh month) cannot always be a saturday. the point again is that the sabbath(rest) and all that accompanies it is not limited to a particular day.