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[quote author=Maria-G]I see its the test part that is causing all these controversy....each person to his or her own understanding....now to the main question....what do you think is the reason for her actions?[/quote]ask her.

obadiah777: REVELATION 14 VS 4 These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. FIRST FRUITS NOT ONLY FRUITS.

SECOND FRUITS WILL BE HARVESTED > REVELATION 14 VS 15
And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

also you, are the 144000 going to Heaven? If yes, whee does the bible say that?

ijawkid: If u had read my earlier statements u would have seen what I wrote...

The 144000 are those who are chosen to rule alongside with Christ....they are also co-priests....

Those going to heaven have a serious assignment to carry out........


They are not going there just to sing praises and run around the heavens...


That's what d scriptures say.....

are the 144000 going to Heaven?

ijawkid: So u mean this lil verse is confusing the hell out of u.??

SMH!!!!!.....

Should I tutor u on this??...

I'm so surprised.....

Ok let me ask u:::

What made Jesus say that to satan??....

What did satan tell Jesus that made Jesus say"" it is written Þhou shall not tempt the LorÐ thy GoÐ""

I don't even know why I'm discu§sing this verse with Ù....

Lol.....

is that verse not suggesting that God can be tempted?

it's not God testing her. she's just a victim of a crime, and she had the same spirit as the others, two wrongs don't make a right.

^as to the rest of your post, i have no comment. there is no Christian that doesn't know that Jesus is the Son of God, so I'm at a loss as to why you choked your post with that fact, perhaps to add some weight.

plappville: Bros, didn't the bible say a man and his wife are one flesh? does that make them two in "ONE"? no The husnabd is still the head, The husband has the full authority. That does not make the wife invalid, of Course, if i take a decision behind my husband, its valid for him vise/versa because we both are in one accord.

Jesus himself clearly made it clear who he is to use, but Tradition of men would alow the light to be seen.

so the rest of the post and the numerous Bible references should be thrown out the window because plap thinks she has a superior understanding of one Bible verse? like it or hate it, Jesus is God eternally.

ijawkid: Then tell us your opinion...

Will the whole crowd on earth go to heaven,leaving the earth un-inhabited by humans?

it's not a matter for opinions to settle. you tell us what is said about the 144000, that's what the thread is about.

obadiah777: but you err Brother Image123. no one said only 144,000 are chosen to ascend to heaven. those are only the first fruits. go to the book of Revelation chapter 7 and Ezekiel chapter 9 vs 4 for that

if i err, you must be error. the very title of the thread says ONLY.

The doctrine of the Trinity states that there is one God, and that that one God is in three persons. It is not shy to state that God is infinite and beyond total human comprehension. He placed the stars in the sky and He knows them by name. Great is the mystery of godliness, yes, GREAT is the mystery of godliness. To assume that one has got it all figured out about God through reason and calculation is a deceitful assumption, premised on pride and dishonesty. The Bible is replete, i repeat, REPLETE with passages that state three persons to be God(of course my first statement states that there is one God, hence the mystery)and compares them in a way none other can be compared, no not angel Michael or any angel. No not Abraham, or Moses, or Enoch, or Elijah. Nothing and no one compares to God the Son, God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit.

-Jesus Christ has in Him the fullness of the Godhead.
Colo 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
-Jesus said He was greater than all and equal with the Father.
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

-All power, all glory, all knowledge, and all wisdom belong to Jesus.
John 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

-The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, either the Father or the Son. Because the Son is God, it is said;

Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

-the holy Spirit is equal to Jesus. Jesus is Comforter, and the Holy Spirit is another comforter, like Jesus. He is a person.Jesus said God is a Spirit.

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;

-The Spirit of God that dwelt in the old testament saints was actually the Spirit of God the Son

1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

-The icing of the cake is here as paul declares the Holy Spirit to be the Lord.

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

-The Godhead act in such seamless harmony that you can easily substitute one's action for the other and be saying the same thing, just like jesus demonstrated severally here. Is it Jesus speaking, or the Holy Spirit, or the Father? The answer is that it is God speaking.

Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

-When God was 'tempted' in the wilderness all those 40years, it was God that was been 'tempted' i.e not just the tetramaggon known the Father, but also Jesus, and the Holy Ghost.
1Co 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, Today if ye will hear his voice,
Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Heb 3:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
Heb 3:11 So I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)


-This below sounds so much like God the Son, need i say more?

Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

-Jesus Christ built all things. He made everything, and without Him was not anything made that was made. Well, imagine the tag attached to Him below.

Heb 3:3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as[b] he who hath builded the house[/b] hath more honor than the house.
Heb 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.

The doctrine of the Trinity states that there is one God, and that that one God is in three persons. It is not shy to state that God is infinite and beyond total human comprehension. He placed the stars in the sky and He knows them by name. Great is the mystery of godliness, yes, GREAT is the mystery of godliness. To assume that one has got it all figured out about God through reason and calculation is a deceitful assumption, premised on pride and dishonesty. The Bible is replete, i repeat, REPLETE with passages that state three persons to be God(of course my first statement states that there is one God, hence the mystery)and compares them in a way none other can be compared, no not angel Michael or any angel. No not Abraham, or Moses, or Enoch, or Elijah. Nothing and no one compares to God the Son, God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit.

-Jesus Christ has in Him the fullness of the Godhead.
Colo 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
-Jesus said He was greater than all and equal with the Father.
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

-All power, all glory, all knowledge, and all wisdom belong to Jesus.
John 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

-The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, either the Father or the Son. Because the Son is God, it is said;

Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

-the holy Spirit is equal to Jesus. Jesus is Comforter, and the Holy Spirit is another comforter, like Jesus. He is a person.Jesus said God is a Spirit.

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;

-The Spirit of God that dwelt in the old testament saints was actually the Spirit of God the Son

1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

-The icing of the cake is here as paul declares the Holy Spirit to be the Lord.

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

-The Godhead act in such seamless harmony that you can easily substitute one's action for the other and be saying the same thing, just like jesus demonstrated severally here. Is it Jesus speaking, or the Holy Spirit, or the Father? The answer is that it is God speaking.

Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

-When God was 'tempted' in the wilderness all those 40years, it was God that was been 'tempted' i.e not just the tetramaggon known the Father, but also Jesus, and the Holy Ghost.
1Co 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, Today if ye will hear his voice,
Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Heb 3:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
Heb 3:11 So I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)


-This below sounds so much like God the Son, need i say more?

Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

-Jesus Christ built all things. He made everything, and without Him was not anything made that was made. Well, imagine the tag attached to Him below.

Heb 3:3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as[b] he who hath builded the house[/b] hath more honor than the house.
Heb 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.

September 23 not recognised by God?


Gen 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.


Due to the huge unemployment rates in many parts of the world, people do various things to get a job. Some lie, some cheat, some commit adultery, some change names and age and certificates, all in a desperate bid to secure a job. The greatest thing to secure though in this life is eternal life with God. Whatsoever else a human might do, should be in the light of seeing God's favour ultimately.
I have heard of, and seen cases where in order to get a job, people work with an organisation without being employed. Imagine working in a place without being employed! But it happens, I have seen and heard it before. The individuals resume with workers of the organisation/company, do the work with them, and close with them. But unfortunately, because they are not employed, they are not recognised. So when payday comes, they do not get paid. When bonus day comes, no bonus for them. No promotion, no retirement benefits, nothing. Many do it in the hope that they will be first to hear word of a recruitment plan, and to court the favour and admiration of the recruiters. Imagine doing such a thing in the house of God. Doing aggresively what God did not send you.
Our Today's passage shows up the pitiable condition of Hagar, Abraham's bondwoman. In the eyes of Sarah and Abraham, Hagar was wife. Sarah had earlier taken Hagar and given her to Abraham to be his wife. So Hagar thought she was wife. Ishmael must have been taught to think so too. But God never recognised her has wife. he said she is Abraham's bondwoman. She had no part in the inheritance and promise. Infact God referred to Isaac as Abraham's only son. All of Hagar's labour, Sarah's hep, were not recognised by God.
Again, are you doing something. Maybe some around you are even applauding, your soul feels that you are doing right, your heart seems to agree with it. but it is not recognised by God. Is it of eternal value and reward, if it were to be weighed? If there were to be promotion, bonus, salary, reward, will God remember you, or will your work be burnt up worthless? The work God recognises is for us to preach the good news to sinners, and to build up the body of Christ. Are you self-employed or God employed?

i have looked through the Bible and cannot find where it is stated that only 144000 persons are chosen to ascend to Heaven. Where are you guys reading from,newspaper?

it is not hypocritical, but it is foolish of you not to believe in God.

frosbel: How was the tithe today

do you have an interest in the subject?

frosbel: Don't take it personal bro , I am not here to make enemies, we are all debating on various topics . Sometimes it can get heated because we are passionate about our faith , but hey no hard feelings.

You can insult me from now till eternity, I don't know you and vice versa, so nothing spoil

Relax and enjoy.

Peace !

i'm not making it personal, whatever that means. i'm only telling you tangible truths about yourself. If others will not tell you, i would.

Fr0sbel: Well that is their problem if they want to spend all their money on bandwidth.

btw , bandwidth is not free over here either, I hope you know.

About tithe, good luck to you , I have no interest in the subject.

you have no interest but you're always bringing it up. your post shows you up as an hypocrite and a self centred person. like I've previously stated, your ego and cowardice are disturbing you seriously, not to forget that you need deliverance. BTW, I'm not insulting you, just stating the truth, so amend your ways in humility if you can buy it.

ijawkid: Jesus existed b4 david.....

So he is davids Lord....

But not davids Father and God......

The Father and God of Jesus is also the Father and God of david.....

Thank u,,,,.....

fair trial, your colleagues didn't attempt it when first asked. So is He your Lord?

frosbel: It's seun's space , he hasn't complained and it's also my bandwidth and time, so commot jo

Make sure you put a bookmark in your bible referencing Malachi 3:9 , tomorrow is Sunday , church day

you're wasting people's bandwidth and time. imagine someone with mtn daily one MB coming to such a thread to waste his time, they can curse you more. I'm just advising you sha. on tithe, it appears you're so pained not to have discussed it with me, that's if you ever discuss BTW. I can't wait to give God my next tithe.

Seewealth: please mention the 3 types of tithes. i can only identify 2

if only you attended the program, they may have recorded up to 26people. you late.

op, i want to ask you and your cohorts the same question Jesus asked your colleagues.
Matthew 22:44 The Lord said to my Lord, Be seated at my right hand, till I put under your feet all those who are against you? 22:45 If David then gives him the name of Lord, how is he his son?

the op wan bamboozle the gullible with many words. you should have just written each question in different languages instead of obviously asking the same question in ten different ways.
Psalms 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

copy copy frosb, think for your self and stop following man made articles. Articles that end saying nothing except to waste space and time for that matter.

hell is real but geologists don't drill through the pit abi na gates of hell jare. that one na 'fabu'.

the thread, like the op, has lost its bearing.

FMK: winning is not the fact but discovering what should be. any idea can Cultivate unless it should be spiritual because everything is based in histories facts we have not experienced but reported to us by lot of ways and means is tough to know what is real and not

where are the Scriptures that state whatever it is you're trying to say.

Ihedinobi: Awesome, Frosbel. This is getting very bad, brother. Very very bad. Jesus was not pre-existent? I am just tired

@Enigma, what does the expression mean?

frosb is always right na. he may be omniscient, who knows.

it continues to amaze me how people would think that giving tithe makes a church/churches lost, or not going to church equates seeing the light. others are touching sinners' lives and bringing people to repentance, people are here making a ministry of accusing churches, and claiming to see some strange light. devil dey try sha

bunch of man made theories and reasoning with no Scriptures to back up. anyway, i understand men will rather they win the forum argument than sincerely learn truth.

frosbel: Kumuiyi has got the Tithe doctrine totally wrong , and I strongly disagree with him, however I will no go so far to describe him as a Charlatan. He is not in my opinion.

Image123 is indeed one , no problem confirming this

you're an insincere ego coward.

mkmyers45: so it was possible that the prophecy could have failed no?

@Other Bolded: And i do yours too but no yawa

you do not understand a prophecy. It is seeing the future, not just writing or making the future. The future comes.

frosbel: Considering that you got the tithe doctrine wrong, you probably got this one wrong as well !

i guess the emoticon now gives you some joy as you lack real joy. i asked you and you dodged, is Kumuyi a charlatan?