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 Christianity Etc › Re: Not In Scripture ? Are You Prepared For A Shock? by Image123(m): 1:17pm On Sep 04, 2012 |
@OP You forgot to add "God is Omnipotent", "God is Omniscient", "God is Omnipresent", "Bible", "Posting on nairaland" to your list of shocking christian practices and ideas. Such a shallow and insidious thread. 2Timothy 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 2Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 2Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Born Again, What Does It Mean? by Image123(m): 5:17pm On Sep 03, 2012 |
plappville: Being a new creature you still live in the "flesh and blood" (physical) which the bible stated that You cannot enter the kingdom of God. flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God” (I Cor. 15:50). Entering into Gods kingdom is inheriting it. Have u entered the Kingdom now?you HAVE TO BE born again before you can enter the kingdom of God. Except a man be born again, he cannot, must not, and would not enter into the kingdom of God. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Would Satan Be Forgiven If................? by Image123(m): 11:09am On Sep 03, 2012 |
Jesus came to die for man, He's the base for forgiveness of our sin. Satan is not a man, plus he's been judged already. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Born Again, What Does It Mean? by Image123(m): 11:00am On Sep 03, 2012 |
to be born again is to be born a second time, the first being the physical birth and the second being spiritual birth as a child of God, a new creature. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Discussing Genesis 1:1-2 On Pre-Adamic And Gap Theory - Delafruita Vs Goshen360 by Image123(m): 3:11pm On Aug 31, 2012 |
Goshen360: Perphaps, this might answer your question...how does a pre-adamic era or gap or gape affect Jesus or anyone? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If You Doubt The Existence Of God, What Do You Say About This by Image123(m): 2:36pm On Aug 31, 2012 |
Joagbaje: At least we agree it's a miracle , not a trick. The question now is by what power?Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Discussing Genesis 1:1-2 On Pre-Adamic And Gap Theory - Delafruita Vs Goshen360 by Image123(m): 11:29am On Aug 31, 2012 |
context, really? How do these affect the browsing tarriff or anything for that matter? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: If You Doubt The Existence Of God, What Do You Say About This by Image123(m): 8:56am On Aug 31, 2012 |
satan is a miracle working god too. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Women The Only Infertile Ones In The Bible?? by Image123(m): 5:00pm On Aug 30, 2012 |
There are very limited cases of barrenness mentioned in the Bible, the more the merrier and probable. Plus the picture seen in some of the cases is one of barrenness, not infertility. i think there's a little difference. A team of 32people can be considered barren if no goal is produced, even if 'productive' people are in the team. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Flight 777: A Parable by Image123(m): 1:18am On Aug 28, 2012 |
followship |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 2 Timothy 3:16 - Was The Devil And Demons Also Inspired By God ? by Image123(m): 7:33am On Aug 16, 2012 |
Goshen360: Egbon, nibo le wa lati ojo yi? Abi e n gbawe ni?Gosh I'm fine oh thanks. just on nl leave jare, God's blessings. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 2 Timothy 3:16 - Was The Devil And Demons Also Inspired By God ? by Image123(m): 4:31pm On Aug 15, 2012 |
OLAADEGBU: Folks should what out for the false concepts on the inspiration of Scriptures.OLAA ni yen, quote no dey scarce. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Here is the text of one ex-atheist testimony.... by Image123(m): 6:49pm On Jul 06, 2012 |
logicboy01: Jesus is a Jew. As a black West African, you dont even question why a Jew would be God not West Africans or Asians or native Americans. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Here is the text of one ex-atheist testimony.... by Image123(m): 5:47pm On Jul 06, 2012 |
logicboy01: But your christianity and Jesus are racistsyou are the only racist i see. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Which Light Did God Create On The First Day? by Image123(m): 5:46pm On Jul 06, 2012 |
witch doctor from the living dead. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Eternal Torment and a Merciful GOD - Goshen and Co, feedback needed by Image123(m): 6:18pm On Jul 05, 2012 |
this is shameful from frosbel, really shameful. obviously blinded on this. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: N300K Church Money Turns To Paper In Jos by Image123(m): 6:07pm On Jul 05, 2012 |
the money was stolen and the lady was maybe careless. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Eternal Torment and a Merciful GOD - Goshen and Co, feedback needed by Image123(m): 2:35pm On Jul 05, 2012 |
To feel that you are forsaken does not mean that you are forsaken.what makes you think that Jesus only felt forsaken? Did He say "my God, My God, i feel that you have forsaken me"? No, the Truth said. Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? This was eveen prophesied for Christ's sake, literally. ah okay , so they burned first on the ground and are now burning in hades, oh sorry Hellyou can't argue against the scripture, or rather you shouldn't. "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffer[b]ing[/b] the vengeance of eternal fire." Not HELL Sir, the greek word is Tartarus and is mentioned only once in the entire bible.nonsense, you will soon mention 'tatase'. (BBE) For if God did not have pity for the angels who did evil, but sent them down into hell, to be kept in chains of eternal night till they were judged; (CEV) God did not have pity on the angels that sinned. He had them tied up and thrown into the dark pits of hell until the time of judgment. (Darby) For if God spared not the angels who had sinned, but having cast them down to the deepest pit of gloom has delivered them to chains of darkness to be kept for judgment; (GNB) God did not spare the angels who sinned, but threw them into hell, where they are kept chained in darkness, waiting for the Day of Judgment. (GW) God didn't spare angels who sinned. He threw them into hell, where he has secured them with chains of darkness and is holding them for judgment. (KJV) For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; Stop stammering alright. Note the bolded on your quoted remark and the passages from different translations that i quoted. Actually you should stop relying solely on the KJV , try the NIV , also get a Lexicon and a Bible dictionary.i have, and have used close to 20 if not more versions and translations, also have the other tools you advised. i've continually come to discover that who i need more is the Spirit. And the kjv i find very reliable. If you had read me instead of been eager to post, you would have noticed me say "Many times it is generalised as hell, especially in the OT. It is in Revelation and from the mouth of Jesus the Creator of hell fire, that there is some further Revelation of hell fire." It is the context that should now tell you which is being inferred having the benefit of hindsight and the complete Bible. So where is the fire still burning, do tell me, we can get National Geographic on the scene to help us record this unfolding event.Quite foolish of you, why not engage them in helping you locate Heaven first. You dare to use an atheistic argument on me, just to make a point? Already sounding like a broken record, I pass this time.when the Word of God sounds like a broken record to you, there is real problem. i wonder what parable you are on about. here is context. Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Luk 10:12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city. The destroyed would stand in judgement on the last day. Destroy is not the end, part 2 dey as it were. Job 23:12 Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food. Actually I only posted a number of topics on these subjects in the past 2 weeks or so , otherwise, I can take some credit for preaching the gospel and edifying the brethren.The FACT is still this- Y[b]ou frosbel have more threads and posts on hell than i do. You've been breathing hell and souls quite recently too. i just preach the gospel, the gospel of repent and don't be a fool .[/b] That's what i usually do on NL. i doubt if you can't quote me anywhere telling anyone that he would be tormented forever and ever. It's truth to the sinner, but i'm not busy propagating that as you claimed. you are seeing things that are not friend. Because , you need to read your bible in context , not out..so you assume that the mark of Berean christians is to make english words take on new definitions. Words like 'many times', 'forever and ever', forsaken etc. Justice must complete it's full course , yes, there will be punishment in degrees , and then destruction.Isn't it disturbing to you that when you want to make a point, you bring up distinctions of Sheol, Gehenna, Tataroo, hades and their little cousins. But when you want to delude yourself, you bring up Hell, Hell, Hell and a  emoticon? Your number 1 makes sense to me BTW, when you truly put the first hell as hell, and the second hell as the lake of fire.Hmm, you lost me here with this statement "Hell fire is not a place IN God's new world. It is outside, outer, without"Don't remain lost, Heaven is also not a place in God's new world. Heaven is and has been before God's new world. And i already answered your bolded, either you failed to read or decided not to understand. Here it is again. The apostle uses the phrase 'day and night'to connote continual/continuous activity. Just like when he says Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. There is NO NIGHT in Heaven, but he John, perhaps for lack of many words, uses the expression "they rest not day and night". He is actually conveying to us that they continually praise God in Heaven. In some place, instead of saying uncountable or millions and billions, he uses phrases like ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands. The torment in hell fire is continual, hence the expression day nor night no rest. Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. he clearly states that it is forever and ever. In John's days/times, no man can work in the night, so there is rest in the night. But what he saw in this Revelation, no rest. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Here is the text of one ex-atheist testimony.... by Image123(m): 1:51pm On Jul 05, 2012 |
logicboy01: Jesus is a Jew. As a black West African, you dont even question why a Jew would be God not West Africans or Asians or native Americans.i'm not a racist |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Wearing Of Trousers By Female A Sin? by Image123(m): 1:27pm On Jul 05, 2012 |
i have already explained the fundamentals of that passage. You may have understood if you bothered to read before you replied then. There is no partiality, the law is the law and it applies. the law/instruction is not exactly the same as the judgement. Judgement follows if you disobey the law. verse 5 is not judgement, the verses i talked on grace are judgement verses. Grace now allows you not to stone or kill, but the laws of obedience and chastity are still relevant. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Here is the text of one ex-atheist testimony.... by Image123(m): 1:19pm On Jul 05, 2012 |
tobechi20: I belive one day, logic boy wil post his own story teling us haw he has been converted to christianity.i hope he is not converted to christianity, that would be useless. i pray he comes to know Jesus as the Christ, his Christ. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: We worship one TRUE GOD not a TRINITY - A Provocative discussion by Image123(m): 12:56pm On Jul 05, 2012 |
frosbel: Okay , so with OLAADEGBU's understanding , even though the bible says GOD is a Spirit, this is separate from the Holy Spirit. Strange I would say !you don't exactly have to stoop this low, taunting denominations. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Wearing Of Trousers By Female A Sin? by Image123(m): 3:16am On Jul 05, 2012 |
Goshen360: Moses didn't die for me and none of the old Patriarch died for me BUT Jesus. Who do I listen to then? Infact, Jesus said, "[b]Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment". John 7:24 [/b]Had to re-visit this particular sentence. iguess i've said what needs to be said concerning the other posts, and haibe is not here. i've seen this scripture misquoted in two other threads after it was misquoted here, so i should address it. When Jesus said Judge not according to appearance but judge righteous judgement, we should at least understand the context if not the meaning. Firstly, i find it a huge pretense for Goshen to hold on to a statement of Jesus not addressed to His disciples, but to people who sought to kill Jesus. This is the very reason for which Goshen throws away matthew 23. Anyway, the verse clearly says JUDGE RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT. It doesn't just say judge not according to appearance. The verse simply means DO NOT BE PARTIAL IN JUDGEMENT. It's not saying we should not look at people and judge them. Of course we should. We as christians are to ABSTAIN FROM ALL APPEARANCE OF EVIL. that's impossible without judging/discerning the appearance. What exactly does it mean by judge righteous judgement? Does it mean i should judge without appearance, a non-appearance, a disappearance? No, it means to judge without partiality. Jesus had healed a man in John 5, and the people wanted to kill him. They were looking for Him at the feast in John 7. then Jesus told them of how they were partial with the law of Moses. they broke the Sabbath to circumcise, but were angry with Jesus for 'breaking the sabbath' to heal. Hence the Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. We shouldn't now distort this scripture to talk about people wearing trousers. It simply saying don't be partial in judgement. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Eternal Torment and a Merciful GOD - Goshen and Co, feedback needed by Image123(m): 2:49am On Jul 05, 2012 |
@frosbel you are so in a hurry to reply my posts. i advice you at least learn to read through first before 'áttacking' each sentence. Then you may gain something. forgot to talk on this below In the new world, there is no more night, so how can we have night and day forever and everThe apostle uses the phrase 'day and night'to connote continual/continuous activity. Just like when he says Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. There is NO NIGHT in Heaven, but he John, perhaps for lack of many words, uses the expression "they rest not day and night". He is actually conveying to us that they continually praise God in Heaven. In some place, instead of saying uncountable or millions and billions, he uses phrases like ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands. The torment in hell fire is continual, hence the expression day nor night no rest. Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. he clearly states that it is forever and ever. In John's days/times, no man can work in the night, so there is rest in the night. But what he saw in this Revelation, no rest. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Eternal Torment and a Merciful GOD - Goshen and Co, feedback needed by Image123(m): 2:27am On Jul 05, 2012 |
Jesus was separated from the Father on the Cross, God did not forsake him , do you know what the word forsake means, to abandon , to leave in state of hopelessness. Nay , this is far from the truth.it would be better you shut up on this issue. Jesus clearly said God had forsaken Him, and it is clear that he was forsaken as He bore our punishment. He did not say "My God, My God, why are you separated yourself from me", whatever twist you are trying to pull here. He actually said it with a loud voice for that matter. Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? "because you will not abandon me to the grave, nor will you let your Holy One see decay." - Acts 2:27What sort of thing is this? What do you classify as rejecting GOD, rejecting everlasting HELL ? Which is a doctrine of demons ?rejecting God is walking in unbelief and SIN and rejecting Christ's sacrifice just like you said. And all those that reject God would be in hell fire. Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Sodom and Gomorrah were burnt with eternal fire, right ?Jude says they are burning. He did not say "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, they suffer[b]ed[/b] the vengeance of eternal fire." Instead, the Lord through Jude says "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffer[b]ing[/b] the vengeance of eternal fire." 1. Devils are not yet cast into your so called HELL ,but Humans Beings areWhat is my so-called hell. You are being personal, childish and sentimental with this. 2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2. HELL exists today , but the bible says HELL is a future eventyou lost me here, don't fully understand your sentence. Anyway, there is hell and there is the lake of fire/hell fire. Many times it is generalised as hell, especially in the OT. It is in Revelation and from the mouth of Jesus the Creator of hell fire, that there is some further Revelation of hell fire. Otherwise passages like Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. would be unnecessary if hell is always grave. Everybody, including the righteous are going to the grave. Nobody is in the lake of fire at the moment. It appears the first victim would be the antichrist and his friend. 3. The eternal fire of SODOM has died out thousands of years agoHere it is again, observe the tenses, they are there with purpose. Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are 4. You are not reading the bible from the old testament to the new in context, you are holding on to one parable to build an entire doctrine which is nowhere else supported in the biblei wonder what parable you are on about. here is context. Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Luk 10:12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city. The destroyed would stand in judgement on the last day. Destroy is not the end, part 2 dey as it were. 5. You misrepresent God's character by presenting him as a sadist to your audience, so instead of peaching Repent or Perish, you are propagating the middle dark age doctrine of the catholic church , which is repent or be tormented forever and ever.You frosbel have more threads and posts on hell than i do. You've been breathing hell and souls quite recently too. i just preach the gospel, the gospel of repent and don't be a fool . That's what i usually do on NL. i doubt if you can't quote me anywhere telling anyone that he would be tormented forever and ever. It's truth to the sinner, but i'm not busy propagating that as you claimed. you are seeing things that are not friend.6. Many times forever is used in the bible to explain certain events which have all happened and are now historyHmmm, with frosbel, english words take on new definitions. Words like 'many times', 'forever and ever', forsaken etc. 7. The wicked are being punished before their judgement , does this make senseWhat should be asked is, does it make sense to wake up the dead, and kill them again? criminals stay in detention in some form of prison until their sentence. It makes good sense. But to wake the dead, make them stand before God collect them from the sea, from death, from hell, and then kill them all again. that's the one that makes no sense, seeing you are looking for sense. Death and Hades will be destroyed , there will be no more death or evil, anywhere in God's new world.i said it before and it is worth repeating. Hell fire is not a place IN God's new world. It is outside, outer, without. Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Rev 22:15 For[b] without[/b] are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, [b]shall have their part in the lake which burneth [/b]with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Always note the tenses also. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Eternal Torment and a Merciful GOD - Goshen and Co, feedback needed by Image123(m): 1:45am On Jul 05, 2012 |
The verse you quoted is relative , because in Mark 1:24 the word torment is substituted for destroy as below :you are clutching at straws. It's not the same event as you are insinuating. The Matthew event i quoted was in the country of the Gergesenes, the Mark passage was in the synagogue. It's not the same persons or devils. Besides you have totally ignored the verse which mentions the total destruction of the devil, such as :Are you kidding me, total destruction of the devil? Every good bible student knows that the passage you are bringing up is AT LEAST dualistic in meaning. There is a certain king of tyre been also referred to, who is a man. Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God: Is the devil a man? Not to occupy space here, i'd advice you read the whole chapter at least, and understand it better. Ezekiel 28:10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD. That aside though, here is the passage you tried to quote Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffic; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more. Note the phrase "upon the earth". One may be no more ON THE EARTH but be in judgement on the other side. That someone perishes on the earth, like the disciples thought they would, does not mean that is the end of everything. There is a great day of judgement coming. We have overflogged this verse, first of all hell here is for hades, the grave.Hell where? The verses i posted do not mention hell, or hades, or graves. i wonder why you are side-stepping and distracting us with your theories on the rich man. Who mentioned parables and true stories? i never had that in mind to discuss. here are the verses again. Luke 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. 1.There will be no more night in the new world, only day. And if you suggest that sinners will be tormented in outer darkness, there is no day there, only darkness , so this argument does not hold.Hell fire is not in the new world, neither is Heaven in the new world. Heaven and Hell fire have been prepared long before the 'new world'. Pay attention to your chronology. 2. To suggest that Jesus Christ and the angels have nothing better to do than to spend eternity watching the torment of the wicked is quite laughable.So in your opinion Jesus Christ who dwells in unapproachable light will be watching those in darkness ( not sure how this will work )forever and ever, taking pleasure in their torment , indeed a torment that will continue for endless ages , and do so with glee, right ? Wrong !when you quote two bible passages and call them laughable, i must say that you have problems as a christian. Here they are again, you are freewilled to make what you want of them. Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever 3. The wicked will be punished according to their deeds period.if you do not understand specific bible passages, do your diligence to ask with some humility. Isaiah 66 is a chapter major set in the time of the 1000years reign of Christ on earth. The order is Christ's second coming, then 1000years reign, then Final judgement. Isaiah 66 happens before final judgement. That's the summary. Now the brief explanation. Isa 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. Isa 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will mak[/b]e, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. The new heavens and the new earth which I will make. It is yet to be made at the time of this event. Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from [b]one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. This is a period of time when there is still day and night and seasons. In the 'new world', there is no night as you opined. this is the time of the 1000year reign after this event in Revelation. Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slai[/b]n with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. it is this that is referred to in the verse you needed clarifications on. Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon [b]the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The SOUL That Sinneth It Shall Die by Image123(m): 12:46am On Jul 05, 2012 |
frosbel: Read my other post.It was called death, Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Story Of Job. An Example Of God's Wickedness by Image123(m): 9:03pm On Jul 04, 2012 |
diluminati: This story contradicts Gods omni xteristic.he should know where satan is at all times instead of asking whence comest thou abi?He knows, not every question is borne out of ignorance. the other posts ibbetween do not need my time. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Story Of Job. An Example Of God's Wickedness by Image123(m): 5:31pm On Jul 04, 2012 |
And he keeps quoting his father, word for word, with glee. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Eternal Torment and a Merciful GOD - Goshen and Co, feedback needed by Image123(m): 5:30pm On Jul 04, 2012 |
I do not believe in torture but would rather use the word punishment, torture connotes punishment for the sake of it, mostly out of a vindictive mind, but punishment is synonymous with justice.trying to be politically correct. The Bible uses the word 'torment'. Hell is a place of torment and torture, it's not a place for mild correction. Mat 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? Even the devils know what hell fire's going to be like. Luke 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever It's at the feet of rabbi frosbel that we learn that Jesus was not forsaken on the cross, it is at his feet that we learn that there is no torment/torture in hell fire, it is at his feet that we see that "forever and ever" does not mean "forever and ever". Be very careful, frosbel, very careful with these your much Anyone who believes in Jesus Christ , his work of the Cross and his sacrifice, his defeat of death , repentance from sins , will put on immortality forever and ever.It is this same basis of rejecting God that puts people in hell fire forever and ever, not really their amount of sins. 2Th 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; It's worthy to note that the only places where the great happy cry of ALLELUIA is recorded in scriptures, is the jubilant and exultant shouts for judgement, for hell. That's reality. first of all the lake of fire means second DEATH..DEATH without the hope of living again. The people of Noah's day and Lot's day are not burning eternally, they were destroyed by God himself meaning no hope of living again. I mean if Adam and Eve were not sentenced to burn forever, which imperfect human deserves it?Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. The verse says they are set forth as AN EXAMPLE, and they are sufferING not that they sufferED. Just like the devils are kept in chains until the judgement day. They are not yet in the real hell fire, but they are not free either. They are suffering, and would ALL be brought up on judgement day. Jesus said some of them would have a better judgement than the people in Jesus'days, so they are not gone forever. They are with Mr. Death and Mr. Hell as it were, and i would say that's not a very comfortable company to chill with. Luke 10:12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city. Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. you should also note the part that says Mr death is going to be punished, so that there will be NO MORE DEATH. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The SOUL That Sinneth It Shall Die by Image123(m): 5:01pm On Jul 04, 2012 |
Because of time, I will also respond to just 2 points starting with this one.i don't recall how i skipped this. So you are saying Jesus Christ only felt that God had forsaken Him. You are saying this based on what? If only you understood the crucifixion, then you would know that you just denied the very premise why Christ died FOR us. He suffered for us. Our separation, sin, judgement and co was on Him. He bore it all for us. He was forsaken so that we would never be forsaken and ashamed. He wasn't mincing words or deluded when He said and the Spirit of God recorded, Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Psa 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. Isa 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. God pronounced a sentence of death on ADAM , an irreversible curse.So God was speaking with tongue in cheek when He said the scriptures i quote below. Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. God said IN THE DAY, frosbel said SOON AFTER. Frosbel says we should stick with scripture  There was an instant spiritual death/separation between Adam and God the day that Adam ate of that tree's fruit. Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Many Souls by Image123(m): 4:42pm On Jul 04, 2012 |
Image123, you did not address the questioni said God made man with the ability to proCREATE and multiply. That's Life's quality. Even for plants, its the same. It's like asking where the leaves, the fruits and the seeds came from when just one seed was planted in the ground. That is the quality of Life. God "programmed" life in such a way that we all(the universe of living things) can procreate and multiply. Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. There is no negligence inferred BTW,. God still watches over His creation with deep interest. Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Luk 12:7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows. Job 35:11 Who teacheth us more than the beasts of the earth, and maketh us wiser than the fowls of heaven? Psa 40:5 Many, O LORD my God, are thy wonderful works which thou hast done, and thy thoughts which are to usward: they cannot be reckoned up in order unto thee: if I would declare and speak of them, they are more than can be numbered. |
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