₦airaland Forum

Seun:
The last true Niger Delta agitator that I am aware of is Ken Saro Wiwa. He was nonviolent; a civilian.

Wasn't he implicated in the death of the Ogoni 4?

FACE:
We have over 100 combat aircrafts. Our combat aircrafts are MIGs, SEPECAT jaguars and most recently the Chinese Chengdu fighters.

The question is not whether we have 1 million war planes but how many of them are airworthy.

Tanna mentioned that she was ill.While I wish her speedy recovery,I wonder whether this illness is of the mental variety

The indefatigable PTH has already eviscerated "Ammatullah" response but I thought I add a few points 

ammatullah:
Inn-lhamdulilah,
My fellow muslims Asalam Alaykum,

Its interesting that Islam encourages Muslims to wish peace only to themselves .Even that mere courtesy of extending a peaceful greeting to a "kaffir" is beyond this "peaceful religion".Muslims are only supposed to extend such greetings where they are greeted first.Now let me address the main issue.

The prophet’s marriage to Aisha at her young age was an exception and not a norm of his other marriages, although it was a norm in Biblical and Qur’anic times. Based on the culture at that time, no one saw anything wrong with the union between Muhammad (pbuh) and Aisha.

Herein lies the problem.Muslims are told that Muhammad lived a perfect life and his life should be emulated by all Muslims.You yourself made a similar point.If there is nothing wrong with Muhammad marrying a 6 year old and Muslims are meant to copy him,then any Muslim man today should feel free to marry 6 year old girls.

You said "based on the culture at that time",is Islam not a religion of absolute precepts that transcends the "culture of the time"? Your argument introduces moral relativism,viz;the morality or immorality of an act depends on general human perception at the particular time.By that measure,the killing of twins in 19th century Nigeria is not immoral having regard to the "culture of the time".

This is acceptable where we are dealing with purely man made societal norms but Islam purports to be a divine product.Surely,what God deems acceptable  should not be hostage to "the culture of the time".If Islam is a religion for all humanity irrespective of time and place,the actions of its founding Prophet should not merely conform to ancient Arab traditions.

The real question should be whether God finds a behaviour acceptable not whether 7th century Arabs find it so.If it is the latter,then Islam is a product of 7th century Arabs and not of God.

It is strongly believed among Jews and Roman Catholics that Mary was 12 when she got pregnant with Jesus. According to the "Oxford Dictionary Bible" commentary, Mary (peace be upon her) was was 12 years old when she became impregnated.

The "Tu quoque" argument is diversionary. Islam should set an example to other religions and not merely point fingers at others to exculpate itself.If someone accuses you of a wrong,telling us that others do the same thing doesn't address the issue.

Why don't you read your history and condemn your history and leave us muslims alone to live in peace.

How does enquiries about a dead man's life(Muhammad's)  amount to not allowing Muslims "to live in peace"? Do Muslims consider debates about Muhammad's life as an invitation for conflict.Surely,a "Prophet of God" is not disturbed by the inquisitiveness of a few "pesky" Nairlanders.

I testify that there is god except Allah, I believe in all His messengers from Adam up to Muhammmad (peace be upon all of them) and I believe that they were sent with the truth

Is your belief anchored on your God-given reasoning capacity or is it completely divorced from it?

I ain't gat time for Islam haters, don't worry when the angel of death comes and you are buried in the grave you will answer to all the insults that you have been hauling at us muslims.

I wonder what the angel of death makes of men marrying 6 year olds and proclaiming to be perfect examples worthy of emulation for time immemorial.

Okay, just to make sure I understand what you're saying, Rooney has scored 76 goals in 223 matches (34%), while Obafemi has scored 68 games in 175 (39%) matches. How come Rooney's better?

That discounts the fact that Rooney often plays on the flanks for Utd

ammatullah:
Please let us exercise great care when we mention the things that prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did, if we accept that he is the nabi of Allah that is divinely inspired, his actions would certainly be protected from evil.

Isn't it supposed to be the other way round.If his actions were "protected from evil",then we can accept that he is divinely inspired.We shouldn't just accept at whim that they were so inspired unless his actions demonstrate this.

Men of God have substantive divine visions and Mohammed's visions are of a 6 year old girl.Had this happened in the 21st century,he would have been rightly convicted.

The excuse is often that we should appreciate the historical context-in those days it was normal-but wasn't Mo meant to have lived a perfect life worthy of emulation for Muslims for generations to come? Marrying a 6 year old is hardly a sign of perfection nor becoming of a man who people are supposed to emulate.

BABEELOVE:
Please, who owns arik and where does it fly to in Nigeria. So I can avoid those tin cans when I decide to fly in Nigeria.

PDP men or people connected to PDP The Airline wey I see scorpion no dey fly again

@Sage

Isn't the whole point of maturity that a man should be able to excercise self-discipline in sexual matter?That men feel like screwing any desirable woman they see doesn't mean that society should create avenues for men to maintain multiple partners.

BABEELOVE:
Emirate! Any day! I love those people! Not stressed at all. Always so accomodating. I love their uniforms too. And it is always an opportunity to see Dubai!

Emirates na Nigerian Airline? The best is obviously Arik.

This forum is a nuthouse.There are some real wackjobs here!

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=74061.msg1419369#msg1419369 date=1187791512]Where did Catholicism emerge from? That is the one issue I want you to demonstrate first with the question of the Papacy.[/quote]Chineke!I first asked this question at 11.05 am-4 hrs ago .I now plead ignorance as to the answer.So,in your wisdom and astounding knowledge,tell us how the Church emerged and what happened to the Real Church ?

Banderas:
I disagree. Protestanism emerged as a result of a catholic King wanting to take another wife, and the pope telling him not to. Enter Stage right, and the anglican church was born.

That is the Anglican Church,one vversion of Protestantism- but Protestantism has different historical origins.At least we know their origins but they fail to tell us our own historical origins.

Their slogan is -You are not the early Church and it is up to you to tell who you are.Doesn't make sense

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=74061.msg1419360#msg1419360 date=1187791445]As I said, I'll serve this issue piecemeal - no rush or clutter.

The first issue I'd like for you guys to clear is the Papacy system. Please kindly demonstrate that very system from the same Bible you guys claim it gave the world. I've referenced earlier that we've discussed this issue elsewhere; and my position remains the same - there is no system of POPE or Papacy among the early Church.[/quote]Please serve the issue.I await with bated breath.Let me arguendo ,plead ignorance about the history of the Catholic Church.Now,over to you.What is the origin of this Church and what happened to the "Real Church"? Oya,continue serving.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=74061.msg1419332#msg1419332 date=1187791157]Protestantism emerged as a result of the Roman Catholic Church not adhering to the Bible that it claims it gave us.[/quote]Didn't Protestantism emerge from the Catholic Church ? Since it emerged from that Church,where was the "Biblical Chruch"?

we'll come to see indeed that the idea that Catholicism began among the Apostles is not true.

SO THEN WHAT IS YOUR VIEW OF HOW THE CHURCH BEGAN ?

Supposing one says that trans-Atlantic slavery began with the Arabs.Another disputes that,won't you expect the disputing person to offer an alternative explanation of how trans-Atlantic slavery began ?

That is what I have been waiting for literally years for some explanation.I keep being told that the Catholic historical version is not true but no alternative version is offered.

locoman:
@I-man
Some believers where deceived while some[b] fled to caves[/b] to hold fellowships there.

So the early "Biblical Church" dey for caves?

ammatullah:
Asalam Alaykum,

I learnt recently that when you make ablution you can wipe over your shoes instead of taking it iff to wipe your socks in accordance with the sunnah. Wallahi Allah The most Great has made the religion easy for us.
Also I would encourage all muslims to adhere strictly to Quran and sunnah because singling one out is not permissible, the sunnah explains the Quran.

So which Sunnah is acceptable and which isn't ? The Sunnah means the "way of the Prophet".One of the "ways" is marrying a 6 year old and consunmating at 9.Is this to be copied by Muslims ?

locoman:
The Catholic Church began with the Council of Nicaean in 325 AD! Before that date the Church was pure!

DO YOU NEED MORE?

So what happened to the Biblical Church after that? Is it now found in Zoe Ministry,Redeemed,Anglican,Mormon.Protestantism broke out of the Catholic Church,why form new churches when they could have simply joined the "Biblical Church"?

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=74061.msg1419065#msg1419065 date=1187788419]Again, please note the highlighted part: "The Catholics say that there Church is the same as the Biblical Church" - it is a claim that should be queried; and No, what you have asked is not too much![/quote]It can be queried but in such a query,an alternative explanation should be given as to the origin of Catholicism.It is not enough to say that the Church has nothing to do with the Early Church.One has to then explain how the Catholic Church came into existence and what happened to the "Biblical Church" since both aren't the same.

You have told me what the Catholic Church isn't-You haven't told me what the Church is.

[quote author=I-man link=topic=74061.msg1418798#msg1418798 date=1187784928]@Locoman
Everyone knows exactly how or when a particular denomination started-We know,for instance, that King Henry VIII was behind the Anglican Church and that Martin Luther was behind the Lutherans or that John Wesley was behind the Methodists.

Nobody seems to have a credible explanation about how the Catholic Church started.If it has nothing to do with the early Christian Church,then who started it,when and how?[/quote]Does the above constitute an assertion?

We know the origin of pretty much every Church in Christianity-Mountain of Fire,Redeemed,Methodist,Anglican,Zoe Ministry,Gbacha Fu Oya.e.tc .The Catholics say that there Church is the same as the Biblical Church.You say it is not,so what is it then?Is that too much to ask?

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=74061.msg1418933#msg1418933 date=1187786775]It probably looks like it is up to me to explain what I have NOT asserted. All I wanted was that you chaps show us HOW Catholicism dates back to the Apostles, when in fact we read something quite different in the Bible.

As viee has requested, I've offered that no credible discussant can defend the Papcy from the Bible. NO? Then let's see how you connect that to the Apostles. [/quote]

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=74061.msg1418895#msg1418895 date=1187786359]Could you demonstrate soundly that the Papacy system dates back to early Christianity in the days of the Apostles - as we read in the Bible?

Cheers.[/quote]Please don't engage in diversion.It is up to you and you alone to tell us how,when and who founded the Catholic Church.You have been telling us that Catholic doctrine contradicts the Bible but that doesn't tell us how the Church originated

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=74061.msg1418851#msg1418851 date=1187785824]Do you care to offer us a credible explanation for the beginnings of the Catholic Church?[/quote]Isn't the point that it is up to you to explain the the genealogy of Catholicism,sinc you insist it has nothing to do with the Early Church.Then how,when and who founded it?  

@Locoman
Everyone knows exactly how or when a particular denomination started-We know,for instance, that King Henry VIII was behind the Anglican Church and that Martin Luther was behind the Lutherans or that John Wesley was behind the Methodists.

Nobody seems to have a credible explanation about how the Catholic Church started.If it has nothing to do with the early Christian Church,then who started it,when and how?

dreamnaira:
Muslims re not exception in ECUMENISM, in which its objective is to eliminate anything PROTESTANTISM. It was in this reason that islamic religion was established by the PAPACY, using a wealthy Arabian woman by name khadijah who through the young muhammad accomplished his[PAPACY] mission.

For those of you out there who are confused should read Rev17 more especially verse 5. you wll knw it was a mystery the invention of that religion.

So the Catholic Church created Islam to eliminate Protestantism Strangely,Protestantism didn't even exist at the time Islam came into existence.

ebos:
Good! This is a question begging for answer, unfortunately, nobody has answered it but they will be fast enough to tell you that Catholic is not the true Church. I know Catholic follow Oral Traditions which the early Apostles instructed Christians to do, yet these our Protestant friends will question if they are in the bible. But who wrote the bible? You discover the simple answer to this question is given in one word - CATHOLIC.

Expect them to be googling intensively.

What we use today as our Bible didn't even come into existence untill late in the 4th century .Untill then,there was great uncertainty about what books were valid and what wasn't.Prior to the 4th century,Christianity existed-nearly 400 years-without a Bible as we know it.New denominations to the Christian faith have nothing to fall back on.A Church that existed before the Bible will proceed differently.

Everyone knows exactly how or when a particular denomination started-We know,for instance, that King Henry VIII was behind the Anglican Church and that Martin Luther was behind the Lutherans or that John Wesley was behind the Methodists.

Nobody seems to have a credible explanation about how the Catholic Church started.If it has nothing to do with the early Christian Church,then who started it,when and how?

Abium:
Good news for all united fans, itis likely that fergie will sign one ofthe greatestnigeria strickers OBAFEMI MARTINS before the window closes. How do u see to that?

I don't think that information is credible.I did hear something regarding Anelka as well but I don't believe that either.

k0be:
what facts? if you've taken anything from my posts, it's that I have no facts, stats, or data. very well.

Keep quiet then

@ziddy
There is an obvious defect in the argument that Whites built their success off the backs of Blacks.The colonisation of Africa by certain European powers would not have been possible if those powers were not already far more advanced than we were prior to colonisation.Basically,colonisation did not make them  more advanced than us for colonisation would not have been possible if they weren't already more advanced.

The idea that they obtained their wealth from us is laughable.Did Ireland,Finland,Norway,Denmark,Sweden,Poland,Estonia,Switzerland and innumerable other nations also obtain their wealth from us?

What about the atrocities Nigerian women commit against fashion     They have a reputation for appalling dress sense  

Having re-read it,I don't think it was the same nurse.This one came back with her kids to Nigeria.She was seperated from her husband who lives in Nigeria and there was some suspicion that he was behind the murder.The kids had to be smuggled out of the country since the father was trying to obtain custody.

BABEELOVE:
Just hear say arm robbers kill one naija babe living in America less than a week ago.  Left her husband and kids to go and visit her mother oh! After working hard as a nurse for over 20 years!  She was planning her "relocation" gradually back home.  That was one of the results.

Na "pump action" gang she meet for night in her bedroom.  All bullets emptied into her chest.  So damn if you do and damn if you don't!

Na wah oh!  God dey sha!!!!

Did this happen in Anambra? I heard a similar story about a nurse who came back to Anambra and was killed,but this was a few months ago.