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pato405: don't the school have regulations on maximum credits that can be registered per semester? that school must be disorganised

johnsonadex: No need to argue wit u again. I can perceived dat u are a fustrated graduate.
Kindly answer dis questions:
why is it dat more than 75% of polytechnic lecturers are nt HND graduates bt BSc graduates if dey are truely high-level technical skilled manpower? Or dnt u think its reasonably 4 high-level technical skilled lecturer to teach in polytechnic?
Why is it dat most bursar/accountant in polytechnic are BSc holder?
Worldwide, university educatn is preferred. We hear of uni of michigan, harvard, new york, liverpool, manchester, paris, and many more. How many of such poly u knw?
Lastly, mention one Rector in Nigeria dat has HND?

gaskydudu: @ Ishmael: You are getting too emotional over this. What is most important is that one should develop himself over and over again irrespective of where one schools. Education does not end in a university or polytechnic....Everything boils down to the individual.

Cheers!

johnsonadex: Pls, stop arguing on wat u dnt knw. NPE is a guideline on education in nigeria and d purpose for establishing any institution is well stated in it as far as nigeria is concerned.
Poly is created to raised middle-level manpower in nigeria. And dats d essence of creating it in d first place in nigeria, it might not be so in anoda country.
Am just telling u d reason for d discrimitn not dat one is beta than d other. Wat do u think is d reason why HND engineering cannot become memba of COREN without having higher qualificatn.? Wat abt masters degree?
U are only considering accounting, is polytechnic establish for acct alone? Wat abt other courses?
Lastly, U dnt even need HND or BSc to be qualified as an accountant, many pple are qualified yet stil looking for admission.

johnsonadex: Hello my pple, i will like to state d root causes of discrimination btw BSc and HND graduates in Nigeria labour market dat many students dnt knw.
The National Policy on Education (NPE) states d philosophy establishing both Poly & Uni.
Polytechnic is established to raise Middle-level Manpower while
University is established to raise High-level Manpower.
U can confirm dat in d NPE (2004 as revised).
Note also dat its very rare to find an HND holder even wit so many professional qualifications to lecture in university (because dey are considered as Middle-leveled) while
75% of Polytechnic lecturers are BSc/B.Tech graduates (just because dey are considered as High-leveled).
Mind u, i had both ND & BSc, and i believed it shudnt be so, but dats Nigeria Education Policy for u. I thank God dat i attended Poly b4 Uni. Lastly, i believed it depends on individual...

sneak3: One of the respondents have said it all, it depend on the individual involved. Being good largely has to do with personal development and not the school you finished from.. Am a product of the two. ND and Bsc
Not in accounting though but the only K(constant) is that you must study hard to be good weda poly or versity #gbam


Next topic pls.. ..

gaskydudu: Lolllll @ work harder and by urself. That is given my dear friend. Why is there a difference between satellite campuses and main campuses. No be the same teaching? You may as well don't bother going to school and read on your own.

I never said Profs take all your courses. I just mean that there is a higher level of quality teachers. And YES FYI, u need quality teaching to transform you into a GENIUS!

veraponpo: I am a BSc Accounting holder fom OAU and I can tell u categorically that BSc Accounting is better than HND although depending on the individual in question.I became qualified almost immediately I finished my NYSC so also my friends, in facts, some of my frinds are ICAN award winners. Bsc holder is expected to do all accounting programmes in school plus other management courses like psycology, sociology, philosophy,political science, etc to equip him more for the society. This makes him a manager and not an accounting technician.

However, HND may do well too if he is a serious student but can only be a under a BSc holder due to different academic backgrounds.

veraponpo: I am a BSc Accounting holder fom OAU and I can tell u categorically that BSc Accounting is better than HND although depending on the individual in question.I became qualified almost immediately I finished my NYSC so also my friends, in facts, some of my frinds are ICAN award winners. Bsc holder is expected to do all accounting programmes in school plus other management courses like psycology, sociology, philosophy,political science, etc to equip him more for the society. This makes him a manager and not an accounting technician.

However, HND may do well too if he is a serious student but can only be a under a BSc holder due to different academic backgrounds.

Toshibasexy: if i don't know anything and wanted to have 9 A'S in my waec i know how to go about it even if i want to have 350 in jamb i know how to go about it shey you know?

tanimola22: I think the final consumers of any form of training and education are the employers of labor. Graduate schools produce graduate degree holders(goods), professional exams further refine the graduate (and other) degree holders(refined goods) while employers finally consume them (employ them, require their services). So, in the standard labor reasoning, which I happen to wholly agree with, most things depend on the perception of the final consumers. It is as trivially simple as that.

In this case, please note that the producers and refiners can also be employers of labor, but I weakly assume that they are solely charged with the responsibility of developing human capital.

T22

lecorn: thats the answer

sweet9: Those who ended up with HND were the ones who were not accepted by universities...., but this is plane truth which everybody in Nigeria knows, anyway, i dont wish to talk detail on this issue.

shymmex: Abuja and looting takes the highest chunk of the oil revenue, most states don't really need to depend on oil to survive, if they stop being lazy..

That's more reason why we need to reduce our dependence on oil..

States like Lagos, Sokoto, Anambra, Imo, Ogun, Oyo etc. can survive without oil if they look inwards.

LFJ: As at today u need 5 credit to gain admission to both Uni and poly; before 2010 few people gained admission with 4 credit, Maths and English inclusive, majority were with 5 credits. The only occasion you can see people with less than 5 credits and with either no credit in Eng or Maths is when you have people that gained admission through pre ND, and this happen in Uni too with those that came through remedial. ACCA and CIMA are rated higher not because they are better than ICAN in term of quality, but because of their international outlook, so let us forget about the story of this or that analysis.

The reason why we are having this type of debate is because those who establish both institutions don’t even know what they intent to gain from having them. I may not be able to talk about other discipline, but for accounting, I can talk about both institution, the polytechnic students have more understanding of accounting issue than the University students.

You equally talk about exposure, that those in Uni have more exposure than those in Poly, what exposure other than proud to be lecture by professor. May be there is something that is new to me, I am here to learn.

chamber2: Do i believe that Poly trained accountants are better than Uni trained ones, NO! Do i also believe that Uni trained accountants are superior to their Poly counterparts, NO either. Knowledge is what you make of it and is not entirely dependent on where it is acquired.

Passing ICAN exams, albeit being the best accounting test-tool we have currently, is not a sure measure of competency.After-all, non-accounting graduates also pass and win prizes in ICAN exams. My lawyer brother aced ICAN without failing any paper. Does that make lawyers better accountants? Accounting, unlike econs, pol sc etc, is industry structured and one can only be adjudged as the ''best'' based on one's industrial exposures and experiences. If you like pass all the ICAN in the world but fail to spot a simple error in an accounting report then you are doomed in my view.

This comparism between Uni and Poly graduates is highly uncalled for, and useless at best. Both institutions are designed for different reasons and objectives. We all had a choice between going to Uni or Poly. If you chose Poly and now all you can do is to complain and compare then you are at lost. It's unnecessary! It's like comparing 9ja used car and Cameroun used car. What difference?

Now, coming to the issue of the quantum of courses taken at both schools, does it matter? Are those who designed Poly courses smarter than those who designed Uni courses? Accounting is Accounting whereever you take it. If not so a 9ja graduate shouldn't then be able to pass courses in ACCA since it's designed in another, more developed country. But yet, our people ace them. It's all hard work my people.

Now, lets look at it this way. Someone took financial accounting(1) in the Uni and did all that was required. The other took took Financial accounting (1) and (2) which is almost the same as (1) but split into to two parts to aid understanding. This person now complains that he/she took ''more'' courses in his/her school just because the same course, with the same content was taken twice! This is the scenario.

For instance, in my school back then, we took about 8 courses in our final year whereas our mates at OAU or UI took about four courses or so. We thought we took more courses than they without realising that those courses were split in our school to reduce the bulk. They all are the same thing.

So, it is highly unnecessary to compare. It's an effort in futility if you ask me. Both are capable of handling accounting related projects and also pass external accounting exams. Except there is industry research, not just ICAN, that posits that Poly Accounting graduates are better than their Uni counterparts. Only then will i consider to accept this position. Otherwise, am out.

mbhs139: Even though I'm not an accounting student, I have passed through the two system (YABATECH AND UNILAG) and I know the difference: I really learnt a lot in Yaba than Lag when we talk about Maths/Statistics.

mbhs139: Even though I'm not an accounting student, I have passed through the two system (YABATECH AND UNILAG) and I know the difference: I really learnt a lot in Yaba than Lag when we talk about Maths/Statistics.

LFJ: It is true that the Polytechnics student take more acctg courses than University student. I pass through both system and I can confirm this. If you want the break down of this I will be glad to do it.

sweet9: @ Poster, I guess the poster is suffering from inferiority complex, if not, what's the essence of this post B.sc(acct) and Hnd(acct),what's d difference? Well, if you insist on comparing both, B.sc(acct) stands out in every ramification, even the poster knows this... Stop wasting your time on trivia issues. Those who ended up with HND were the ones who were not accepted by universities...., but this is plane truth which everybody in Nigeria knows, anyway, i dont wish to talk detail on this issue.

Jarus: One or two HND students/graduates doing exceptionally well in ICAN exams doesnt validate HND accounting holders being deeper than Bsc holders. It would not have been a talking point if a Bsc Accounting holder or Accounting undegrad does well in ICAN, but it will be if an HND did. That alone tells you something. Within my circle of friends alone in teh university, we have 2 people that won Best Qualifying ICAN candidates, within a space of two years. It's normal, you see these things on daily basis in top universities but if you have one or two from Poly, it becomes a national news headline.

I'm sorry if it sounds rude, but it is not for nothing that polytechnic, at least in Nigeria, is a fall-back for university rejects.

mko abiola: Well,am a product of d polytechinc,precisely kwara poly,without sentiment,most lecturers in d polytechnic ar chartered Accountant,meanwhile dey take lecturing as a partime job,
Also most polytechnic students do tak ICAN xam right frm OND.
Another reason is dat poly take mor courses dan uni,wen I was in my ND2 ibadan poly,I do lecture 3L uni students,
Another reasoin is dat the polytechnic gradutes ar much aware of d discrimation with their counterpart in uni thus prefer to b chartered so as to hav an edge in d labour market.Also most students use d 1yr IT for ICAN studies.frm my own view I think dat is d major factor without being bias.

GboyegaD: One thing that cannot be ruled out is that Polytechnics Students take more Accounting courses than their University counterparts and that I am very sure of.

Billyonaire: BSc.

passionate88: near kwangila... on your way to ahmadu bello university..

tonymariao: Some ppl out dere dont realize d worth of poly materials well dat is d bane of nigeria tech development because it fails to recognize what can u do rather it runs after paper qualifications...so bad

Dis Guy: where is Ishmael?