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For those who are of the opinion that the Bsc is better than the HND, can we get good and meaningful reason(s) based on the course curricula for both uni and poly in nigeria using 2 courses-Accountancy and Statistics as our case studies why you feel the HND is inferior to the Bsc. Both Accounting and Statistics are courses offered in nigerian universities and polytechnics. |
nairawall: The Prepaid Nigeria GSM Card printing activities is scam.Why not go to any Eco Bank close to u and make a complain? They may help u track them. Regards. |
Inemobot: Pls pals, where did Nigerian College of Aviation Technology located in Zaria? Thanks 4 ur reply.Samaru Road by Basawa junction, Zaria. |
Evagreenfields: ^ ^ sadly m in lagos.Hope to see u in Abuja. Abuja is a nice place to hussle too like Lagos. |
Evagreenfields: awww thanks tho. maybe one of these days, it might happen.Do u live in Abuja? Sometimes i get to provide statistical support for some researchers and students in Abuja. I sometimes provide stats packages training too. I could just show u what we do with data using softwares like spss, minitab, etc. |
Ufeolorun: Not belittling the profession,really.You are actually right sha. One does not need a certification to become a data analyst; some few months training only would be ok for those that are fast learners. But statistical data analysis is beyond that. U need training on statistical methods, analysis, hypothesis testing, and interpretation of statistical analysis results. |
Evagreenfields: on a 2nd thought, i could be your understudyAny how you like it sha. If u were in Abuja I would have shown u some aspects of these practically. |
2sexy: Whatever!Injustice against HND holders. |
Ufeolorun: Anyone could be a data analyst except you looking for certification. I feel you don't need to go through the conventional schooling process to become a data analyst,just 1or 2 months workshop or training,books on data analysis and good excel/spreedsheet skill can can equip you with the right skills to do dataRobust data analysis is beyond using excel, bros. |
2sexy: Bsc or no Bsc... Who cares? I am a proud poly Grad and I will make more money in this world than most of my Bsc holders.Good talk. |
2sexy: Bsc or no Bsc... Who cares? I am a proud poly Grad and I will make more money in this world than most of my Bsc holders. |
Evagreenfields: ^ ^ you have a point there. i will try to get the softwares and learn what they entail. thanks a bunchpls do. It will really keep you busy, and like i said u may be lucky to work with a team of UN researchers or get to carry out a political survey for a politician who may want to know his chances of winning an election, or to have an insight of how electorates feel about his performance. U can market ur survey ideas to them, and with God they will give u an opportunity to work for them, paying u handsomely. |
Data analysis/mgt is good for u since u have engineering background, but at the same time it may not be too good for u since engineers in nigeria do not go into R&D in engineering where such services wud have been needed. ICAN is better if u can endure starting from foundation level. But it pays u better at the end. |
crackhouse: is a car designer and a mechanic the same?. When i say car designer i mean the person that did the schematics design. Knowing the practicals without theory is like being clueless of the whole thing cos u don't know what happens internally.Have u ever thought that knowing how to design without knowing how to implement is also rubbish? If it's that easy why not design and implement at the same time? Can a designed car or prototype work if it is not fully worked on and implemented? Anyway, what have the nigerian engineers ever designed for us? Bicycle? Car? Bridge? Road? We are yet to see ur designs. |
If students and lecturers could protest because of a change in the name of their school, i encourage all part time students to stand up, organise themselves and do a peaceful protest in places like abuja and lagos, occupying ministry of education, national assembly, state secretariat in Alausa, and NUC building. Even developed countries with universities that make first hundred best in the world run not only part time but online and distance learning programs. NUC themselves should be checked, they are not doing well in terms of ensuring quality education for nigerian universities through curricula review and development. |
Some people see HND certificate in nigeria as an ordinary paper. The truth is that the total credit accrued in the nigerian HND is greater than or equal to that of a Bsc. But to be on a safer side go for a Bsc program. |
Evagreenfields: ^^ thank youI will also advice you try and arm urself with working knowledge of stats and econometrics packages like spss, minitab, eviews, sas, stata, etc. With good working knowledge of these u will be able to provide support for researchers in the form of questionnaire design, sample size determination, data collection, data analysis, interpretation of analyses results, etc. on economic surveys, social surveys, market surveys, scientific researches, etc. You can start by providing statistical support for masters students (even Bsc) in ur alma mater, and they will pay u for such services. You can begin ur networking from there; who knows, u could work for people who would really like ur work and decide to recommend u to people who handle big time projects like UN survey projects, who may consult u to support them execute such projects. |
Evagreenfields: ^^^U will surely get there with time. Just like u rightly said, u actually need to gather some experience, and with time u can stand on ur own as a consultant. Wish u the best. |
Evagreenfields: Mathematics is a very marketable course. M proud I read Mathematics and Economics @ b.sc level even though I never dreamt of it in secondary school. I also love the assumption of intelligence because of mathematics. Even though I'm yet to get a job, I'm believing God it ll happen soon.Why waiting to get a paid job? Why not use ur maths/econs skills to create a job or jobs for urself and others? I also read maths/stats, worked with a bank for 8 years, resigned and now self-employed as a statistician/data analyst. We conduct researches, market surveys, dissertation/project data analysis utilizing robust statistical softwares. If u are good in economic and business data collection and analyses then u are good to go. Regards. |
olaezebala: Cause the only thing you can do as a Computer Engr in 9ja is replacement. Are they expected to build a motherboard or DVD rom e.t.c? They only need to know how to troubleshoot and find the faulty part of the system and go to computer village, buy the part and replace. Simple.And they graduate to become Technicians and not Engineers. I doubt if we have Computer Engineers in nigeria, becos all i see most comp engr graduates do is fixing and replacement like people with A+ certification. |
tanimola22: [b][/b]You are welcome. As a mathematician i know u will be familiar with these. I like discussing issues like this with mathematicians & statisticians; they always make meaningful contributions. |
EPOMA: What i don't understand about people with the bible is that they always give reasons to favour themselves, we can in as much quote other portions of the bible and say it was meant for galations, ephesian and so on. I think if we believed the bible was inspire by God,I don't think Paul made any mistake from what he said and it was for every believerIf some xtains can believe that this word of God is for the corinthian women alone or galatians or ephesians, then it means that no part of the Bible is meant for nigerians. Are we now saying that nigerian xtains should not believe in some part of the Bible again since no part of it was addressed or referred to nigerians? All letters of the new testament are meant for all today's christains whether greeks, jews, corinthians, ephesians, nigerians, togolese, americans, egyptians, arabians, etc. My brodas and sistas, the Bible is the word of God for all nations. |
x-fire:My brother all these things u mentioned put together don't produce sound and competent uni graduates. What u are yet to discover is that the polytechnic curriculum is a refinement of that of the university, and that is why even with only Degree and Msc holders teaching in the polytechnics they still come out with the skills and experience industries need. Unlike the university graduates that come out with a certificate which he uses as an undue advantage over the poly graduates. The name "university" in nigeria is seen as the alpha and omega of higher institutions. Let's not forget that colleges & polytechnics in other countries also award degrees up to PhD level. Let all ur Lecturers from 100 level to 500 be profs for each course u take, it still does not make any significant impact than it has not made on the uni graduates. The uni curriculum is a set back. That of the poly is better technically. Because of the knowledge i got from the polytechnic the Bsc program was a walk over for me. Atleast i was among the top 5% in my class at the end of graduation. Thanx to my old poly notes that i used. I need to correct a wrong impression i discovered in u. Kaduna poly and YabaTech are bigger and better equipped than many federal universities. Only the 1st generation federal universities can compare themselves with them. You can find out this for urself by asking questions. ABU zaria which is one of the biggest, finest and well equipped in nigeria is slightly bigger and better than kadpoly, if u care to know. Regards my man. |
x-fire:Mr man, u've not been following this thread the way i see it. I have studied in both institutions before. I have ND, HND from the polytechnic, and Bsc from the university. I'm talking from experience in my own field, not based on assumption. Little emphasis should be placed on certificates, and more shovld be placed on skills, knowledge and experience. This should be the yardstick for assessing graduates for further studies and employment. All i am saying here is that the undue advantage given to uni graduates should be stopped, and a level playing ground given to all graduates (HND & Bsc). More so, it is not possible that all HND holders are better than all Bsc holders, and all Bsc holders cannot be better than all HND holders. If we all believe this then we all will agree that equal opportunity should be given to all (both HND & Bsc) at all times. Finally inferiority complex does not lead to debates like this, rather a feeling of injustice against the HND holders make them cry out aloud, may be they could be heard and listened to. Inferiority complex can only be displayed by those who think they are not what they are suppose to be, may be because of insufficient training, skills and experience; and because they feel they are not competent enough. You also talked about showing hatred for uni graduates. That's very funny. I am also a uni graduate with good grades, so why should i show hatred to people that have what i have too? I'm only trying to be an unbiased and fair umpire. Please try and read my previous posts on this topic. Thanx for ur contributions. |
Do commission officers in the military play draught? I only see NCO's playing this game in the warrant officers & SGT's mess. I always see officers playing chess in the officers mess. Na wa o. Any way, sometimes dog dey eat grass like goat. |
I still put the blames on PDP, and GEJ is one of them. Why did they go into the agreement of rotational presidency ab'initio? Why did they not stick to it again? GEJ was threatened by these same northern politicians, and they meant their threats, and no body has been arrested ever since they started killing and bombing. GEJ should act as the C in C of the armed forces that he is by arresting those behind all these killings and bombings. |
What pains me most is the fact that this HND holders are made to do PGD before doing any Masters course. And it has never been recorded that they performed poorly in these programs. And yet some bias people will come out and condemn the poly HND graduates that they are not graduates. If they are not graduates why are they admitted into PGD programs? Is PGD not a postgraduate qualification that is higher than a bachelor's degree? Funny enough in some countries like UK, US, Canada, Ukraine, etc, they allow holders of nigerian HND with good grades to do a Masters program directly without having to do a PGD first. Nigerian government should begin to invest more on technical/technological education as that is what the country needs at the moment for positive growth and development. The university system has failed the nation in the areas of research & development as well as churnning out low quality degree holders who will always hide behind the certificate mentality thing to get a job. |
juman: Unfortunate, failure of clueless people turn Gen. Abacha to hero in the sight of some people.Yes, but better then GEJ. |
tanimola22: Well, I definitely don't know of others elsewhere. I only know of myself and people that graduated from my undergrad class. That said, it is my delight to let you know that I took courses in Operations Research, Design of Experiment as well as in Statistical Methods and Concepts. The courses in Statistical Methods and Concepts almost completely cover all what there is to know in Statistical Computing and Industrial Statistics at undergrad level. Might I also let you know that I had lab (computing) sessions in Statistics during my undergraduate days and each student in my undergraduate class did a couple of graded projects using the knowledge gathered during the lab sessions. I guess this is what you call 'Stats Computing'.Let's get it straight. Stats method gives u the stats concept needed to do stats analyses. Its concepts are applied to solving problems in industrial stats and quality control. Topics in industrial stats includes process/product control, control chart techniques, acceptance sampling, inventory, etc. Statistical computing on the other hand is different from statistics lab practicals where u use packages such as spss, minitab, excel, etc for stats analysis. It is the interface between computer science and statistics. It teaches u how to develop ur own algorithm and programs to solve mathematical and statistical problems. It includes topics like random numbers & simulation, numerical methods of solving eqns, numerical linear algebra, kernel density functions, and algorithms & programming. In statistical computing, the algorithm and programming you do is mathematical using programming languages like Fortran, pascal, c++, matlab, sas, stata, etc. |
Are u interested in working with our research & data analysis team in Abuja? U will help us market our services to clients and once we get the offer our team will do the job together with you thereby giving u practical training. Our services include market research, product research & development, employee /customer satisfaction survey, military/defence research, social & economic surveys, and statistical, research and planning seminars and trainings. We encourage people in the field of statistics, sociology, economics, marketing, medical/pharmaceutical sciences, etc who are interested in research & data analysis to join us. If u're interested kindly contact me on: 07068945155 or email: ishmaelxy@yahoo.com |
Are u interested in working with our research & data analysis team in Abuja? U will help us market our services to clients and once we get the offer our team will do the job together with you thereby giving u practical training. Our services include market research, product research & development, employee /customer satisfaction survey, military/defence research, social & economic surveys, and statistical, research and planning seminars and trainings. We encourage people in the field of statistics, sociology, economics, marketing, medical/pharmaceutical sciences, etc who are interested in research & data analysis to join us. If u're interested kindly contact me on: 07068945155 or email: ishmaelxy@yahoo.com |
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