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Lawag3:
We can't. we love you all that's why we are on the street many Christian you see on the street preaching have something else they can do but they leave their businesses and jobs just to make sure you are saved that you escaped hell they don't want you to suffer eternal pain . In the bible Jesus tells believers if you love your neighbor you'll tell them about me . Christian are on the streets for a good reason, they want your salvation. Its like a neighbor warning the other of a coming danger . Is that wrong.

What are the homosexuals on the street for? I think they are seeking validation for their relationships.

I don't think I will be happy in heaven knowing I could have saved my friend from hell.

They are on the streets the same way any professional body or individuals, takes to the streets: Rights to peaceful protests. Remember they have been facing many form of assaults from you chrissies.

Lawag3:
Death isn't the better place . I would want to go to that better place I have been preparing for it. many Christian do all it takes to go there we leave our former life of sin, comfort and we kill lust we try to live a life of holiness all in preparation for a spot in that place . True we all want our babies in our arms like who wouldn't, but if the baby dies we console ourselves knowing that the baby is in a better place. Know this there is life after death.

I dont like drivel.
I asked you why your yahweh is busy killing innocent babies. You told me he wants them in a better place. I asked if you want your kids or yourself in this better place. And you started telling me about this.
Do you think those babies yahweh murdered went to this better place? Going by your notion that we are born sinful, dont you think those babies are headed for hell?

Lawag3:
She's in a place where she can't be silenced. This is where people who advocate for the gay rights should be. They should leave the streets.

I don't understand. Where should gay rights activists be?

elated177:
You acted like you didn't see what I said earlier, only for you to ask me to strike you with lightning.

Look at what I said:









Are you also going to disappoint like you did in the past?

Lol. Disappoint you when? Are you high on air?
You said you are supernaturally powerful, and I simply ask, no, beg you to strike me dead, and end all these back and forth, but you're here running your psychotic mouth since yesterday. Im patiently waiting for my lightning, bro

Image123:
That's why i said you are more ignorant than i imagined. i was referring to the LGBTQ agenda all the time, not to your specific irrelevant gay friends.

Lol.
You said LGBTQ threatened governments. I asked you to show me where. You pulled up a post where the US was threatening Uganda. I asked you how LGBTQ became a whole US Government, you now came back that you were referring to the LGBTQ agenda.
I believe you are literate(though these days I doubt you are). Again I ask, is the LGBTQ the same as US Government?

MightySparrow:
You claimed to be an atheist. That is your identity to me.

What you call yourself is what you are to me.

An Atheist. A person who does not have regard for God

We don't have any commonplace to argue anything.

Is that the definition of an atheist? Are you sure? I’m sure you are connected to the internet. Why not check it out?

Lawag3:
I don't know all I know physical bodies can't survive on a spiritual world. Because physical bodies put a limit on the amazing abilities of a spiritual bodies

Are you saying there are spiritually bodies inside physical bodies?

Dtruthspeaker:
As usual you do not have any counter.

You have your own version of reality. So what do you want me to discuss with you?

MightySparrow:
Sorry I don't discuss with atheists. I only discuss with people who believe in God.

Yet youre discussing with a Muslim(who doesn't believe in yahweh) , and feeling good. Are you afraid of getting thrashed? Dont worry. I'll be gentle on you

FRANCISTOWN:
Since the beginning of this thread, I've noticed a pattern in the way you respond to posts. You do not even bother to understand the post, you just go ahead to reply. I'm sorry I once thought you didn't understand simple english sentences, now I know better. There is something called "Aphasia" , I guess it will be good for you to find a treatment to that. Till then, I won't banter words with you any further

Are you just interfacing DTruthSpeaker? Why do you think we don't discourse with him?
Dude is a cruise. I don't engage him logically. He'll be dodging and trying to dumb down the discourse, with illogical posts and a healthy dose of insults, til youre frustrated. And of course, he'll declare himself winner of the debate.
Its a psychological weapon. He knows he's not capable of arguing cerebrally, thus muddies the waters
Ignore him, or when you feel like, argue with him illogically and gaslight him

Aemmyjah:
So, if you see a house that is damaged, the architect is to blame Right?

Depends. If the architect did a poor job, lets say, poorly designed floors, foundations etc, and the house is damaged. Then yes, he has a blame

FRANCISTOWN:
Look at a blind man or a crippled, you want to tell us that's the work of an omnipotent, Omnibenevolent, omniscienct and intelligent design? A software engineer checks the entire source code of a software to ensure there is no defect, if after production a malware is detected. They take the software down and improve on it or release an upgrade(This is how an intelligent design works)

He doesn't know that the human undergo a lot of genetic/chromosomal changes in utero til s/he is born. Some of these changes are can result on fatal errors(like a badly formed heart) and the baby dies. In the early pregnancy, this dead fetus is known as a miscarriage and the woman bleeds with passage of clots(pieces of the fetus). Sometimes these errors are non-fatal like a non-fatal error in a software, and the fetus continues growing but sometimes they die at birth or when born, they errors are now evidenced, like Patent Ductus Arteriosus(commonly called hole-in-the-heart babies), deficiency in the brain whereby the ventricles are enlarged(hydrocephalus). Some are even born with cancers called teratomas.
And these babies manage to live with the aid of medical science. Same medical science maligned by religionists for not believing in a creator. So if they believe man was created, then science is trying to correct the errors of the dumb ass creator

FRANCISTOWN:
prov 10:19, James 3:8

Proverbs 18:2 " A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion."

James 1:26, "If you claim to be religious but don’t control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless."




The words I used there were but if anyone in English language, that statement means a digression or change of direction, and the anyone was not referring to me. But what could I possibly discuss with someone who doesn't even understand as simple as forms and classifications of sentence.




Whine all you want but you are the one who always bring girls into every discussion. You wanted to bring a story, you even brought the one who was after a single mother(a girl again) Now I get it. You are a divorcee. Bitter about life. Don't worry, atheism gat you.


Talking about girl again? Lol, that's your ish right?



Even you theists come here to whine about unanswered prayers, I've experienced unanswered prayers, but that wasn't what led me to apatheism. Thanks bro!

He doesn't base his arguments on the buybull, but on his own reality, which he spins as he discusses

Aemmyjah:
Your life( or existence) is purposeless or meaningless. True or false?

We are all created to serve the Flying Spaghetti Monster. You included

Aemmyjah:
Ok
I am Emmanuel
I believe in a Creator or Designer of Life and that I am a product of intelligent creation and for that reason, I am here for a purpose. Knowing I was created shows I'm here for a reason and it gives me a sense of meaning


Let us hear your testimony

What's the name of this your creator?

Aemmyjah:
Your life has no purpose
You don't know where you come from
Where you are going to
Who you really are
Why you're here
That's why you listen to Silly wind of teaching that your grandfather is an Ape and it tickles your ears

At least I have evidence of that. When you have evidence of creation, lemme know

Aemmyjah:
Look at your Body
You want to tell us you're a product of blind chance (accident) or of Creation?

A human body isn't a perfect creation, I can tell you that for free. It is one error (in protein coding) away from a cancer or autoimmune disease. If you say it was created, then that creator is a dumbo

FRANCISTOWN:
Anyone with reasoning would have known that I know more about law , philosophy and science. Wise people should have guessed my discipline by now.


Which law was that? Mention it
The bigbang explosion created all the laws.


You are just wallowing in bitterness




I already told you to go study basic English. For now types and forms of sentences will do. When you understand that, you'll not argue further




Sometimes I wonder whether you think with your hands. Let's assume we are on a highway together , then a Camaro speeds by. And you say, Toyota made that car but I say I'm not sure it's Toyota, next thing you say. Because the car didn't manufacturer itself then Toyota automatically becomes the manufacturer.
Do you not think or read what you type at all?

I told you my parents created me and I am a product of evaluation. But in you kept on shovering that I was created down my throat, is it by force. If I was created by your God, then the flying spaghetti monster must have created you as well. Haha! What kind of nonsense reason is this?

God-of-the-gap fallacy, at its finest.
Dtruthspeaker has no idea of the concept of fallacy and logic. It flies over his head. Wonder how he became a lawyer

FRANCISTOWN:
The guys keeps talking about unanswered prayers. That's exactly what he's battling now. His prayers are not being answered, if you noticed the way he comments. His comments are full of hatred, curses bitterness and frustration. He's going thru a lot.

… and he's a psychopathic bigot too

FRANCISTOWN:
No. 1 I'm not a clay (I am a field of energy)
No. 2 If I said a giant snake created you, you will obviously dispute it. Why? I was not there. Even if I told you I read it somewhere or someone told me. You still won't believe because I was not there and I can bring any proof.
Likewise, you were not there when I was being created , so you have no rights whatsoever

You can't argue logically with a theist. They are practically mentally incapable of it. If the were capable of it, they wouldn't be theists in the first place

FRANCISTOWN:
Haaaa! Is this playing? Tell me you are joking?

No. I'm serious. In fact it happened to 2 ex gf. This particular one is an optometrist. The other one no too pain me cos I didn't like her that much.
See if you want to see the picture of hypocrisy. Look at a Nigerian

FRANCISTOWN:
This is so sad but at the sake time, it's the truth. They will even start watching you closely but stealthily and wish something terribly bad happens to you, so their faith can be justified.

My immediate family is an example. They are forever pestering me for money. But if something bad happens to me, they'll say its cos I'm an atheist. It amuses me

FRANCISTOWN:
Rightly said, and this is one of the reasons I'm trying to raise awareness. We can't possibly go on radio stations, I'm not sure any radio station will want to host such programme

Lol. You'll be lucky to be alive if it is in the North. Elsewhere the assault you'll face would make you reconsider. You might as well say you're gay

Dtruthspeaker:
Monkeys don't create. Other beings good. But is there?

No. there isn't.

The mannequin could have been created by other people

TenQ:
You must must have mixed me up with someone else. I don't dodge questions of the faith.
LOL! You mere stardust sense of self importance is amazingly extra large!
I will deflate you with just a few simple questions except you are insincere

Do you know Sophia the AI Robot? Would it be a Murderous CRIME for her Engineers to Switch of her Battery Power pack?

Will you consider yourself a genocidal murderer for disinfecting you toilet and wiping out millions of bacteria just because you selfishly want a clean toilet. You are both living beings aren't you?



I marvel at your ignorance in extremely simple concepts that even have parallels in science.

If you don't understand what Trinity is, ask questions.

If Trinity is ILLOGICAL, is the Wave-Particle Duality of matter also Illogical?
A Particle is Distinct from a Wave and Yet subatomic particles like electrons behave as both waves and particles. Almost exactly like the Trinity. The Father is distinct for the son and distinct for the Spirit, yet the Father , the Son and the Spirit is ONE Entity.

If you don't understand this, you'll need to comprehend simple physical nature first before delving in spiritual things. If you have questions, ask rather than going off in tangent based on assumptions.

Finally,
To you death is ANNIHILATION!
To Christians, death is NEVER an Annihilation. It is a DISCONNECTION between your Body and the Spiritual You (your real being).
In that sense, when Jesus Died, His body was Disconnected from His Real Being as no one Truly DIES!

If you have questions, ask!



To those who think EVERYTHING is completely Physical, they may sound Illogical. However for Theists, these are NOT impossibilities. Muslims and Christians believe in miracles.

Are you 1000% certain that EVERYTHING in the Universe is guided by no other factor except by Physical Laws?



1. The law of entropy show that the Entropy of the Universe is Increasing. Tracing it backward in time, the origin is where Entropy is minimum. Hence the Universe has a begining
2. The Big Bang/Inflation theory projects that the Universe is about 13.8billion years ago. Hence, the universe has a beginning
3. If the Universe can be proved to one day in the future come to an end where all energies are evenly dispersed, it is another proof that the Universe has not always existed.
4. ALL physical laws of Physics and Chemistry have their origin with the spontaneous creation of space, time and matter about 13.8billion years ago

If I have convinced you that the Universe has an origin, it can only mean that the FORCE that brought forth the Universe is EXTERNAL to the Laws of Nature. Do you agree or disagree with this?





Who created the Natural laws?
The answer is simple:
He is the Uncaused First-Cause of Everything who existed beyond the physical laws, time and space. He is called by many titles such as God, the Creator, Olorum, Ubangiji etc
Even though many people are aware of Him, they may not know Him.

You didn't answer my Question:
Do you know the Source of the Physical Laws?


I said:
In the Physical Space, Consciousness CANNOT evolve out of nothing. It takes Consciousness to produce other Consciousness.
In other words:
a. Is it possible for a Laptop to evolve out of the elements of the earth complete with its software?
b. Is it possible for a software to spontaneously grow on a hard disk drive?



The stupid rhetoric again?

What kind of Physical Evidence will you need that will be agreeable to you?
Note:
If the Creator is immaterial, what instrument do you think you need to measure him?

Do you know what SYSTEM is?
Have you ever seen a system that just appeared spontaneously in nature? Can you have a building without a builder? Can you have an aeroplane without the engineer?

Your ALTERNATIVE proposal for the existence of Life and the Universe is a MIRACLE where the physical laws created themselves AND everything just spontaneously came forth by themselves.


What is your BEST answer for the Source of Everything?



Of course, we live in a physical world this, it should be easy for you to find physical examples.


A simple Question for You:
Given a functional computer with all physical hardware complete (RAM, ROM, HDD, VDU, Power Source etc) but zero software (no system software, no application software, no CMOS initialisation program etc) , given enough time in billions of years, what is the probability that in 600 billion years, we can put on the computer and it will boot up and perform the minutest rudimentary function?

I'm certain youre the person, but if you wanna dodge no problem. Lets continue
1. The difference here is I didn’t make a promise to those bacteria or robot that they are my people
2. I highlighted the key word. Trinity as 'almost exactly' like the wave-particle duality, but not like it. Totally different concepts
3. Good. How did you know death is a disconnect between body and spirit? Did any dead person send you an email concerning that, or did you read up some bullshit from a book(that talks about talking donkeys and snakes) which cannot be verified ?
4. Im not 1000% certain everything is physical. But you are 1000% certain of the existence of the spiritual, yet you have no single shred of evidence of the spiritual or supernatural. Not one, not even a tiny shred. I'm open-minded. I would like to know(if you bring any evidence that stands to scrutiny) but in your own case you believe wholeheartedly without evidence. In fact I can tell you I live in Mars and you'll believe me(as long as I'm your pastor, or it says so in your buybull). This is because your mind is trained not to question anything, just believe it stupidly
4. Yes. Go ahead convince me the universe has an origin
5. I don't know if the natural laws have a creator. But if you say they have a creator, how come its not your favorite god. I can posit it is the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and that it created your yahweh, do you believe it?
6. Well, you're so sure that creator exists. So how did you measure him? What are his/they/it attributes and how did arrive at them?
7. Your final question is irrelevant

TenQ:
To atheists, these not make any sense to you because you believe NOT in the spiritual not the supernatural. However, in the context of the spiritual and supernatural, Christians and Moslems agree. The difference is that upon the spiritual and supernatural we agree upon, you can also bring forth complete illogicalities in the BELIEVES of Muslims.

Since you claim to not being a Theist, it means you also have some inconsistencies to deal with.

1. Does the Universe have an origin?
2. What is the source of the natural laws?
3. In the Physical Space, can consciousness evolve out of nothing?
All your answers to these questions will be problematic at best and it is extreme STUPIDITY to claim to be an Atheist who is AGNOSTIC!

As Christians, we have answers to the three Questions
1. The Universe has an origin: it is NOT Eternal
2. God who is ETERNAL and IMMATERIAL is the source of ALL natural laws
3. In the Physical Space, Consciousness CANNOT evolve out of nothing. It takes Consciousness to produce other Consciousness.



Do you have reasonable answers to the Questions above?

We have a pending discourse on a thread about how murderous Yahweh was, but you dodged it.
Back to your post. I believe you know whar an illogicallity means, right? You talk about complete illogicalities in the beliefs of Islam? Although I don't know the specific illogicalities you mentioned, how does it differ to Christian illogicalities? You believe in the Trinity but u don't believe Yahweh died, u said it was only jesus that died. You believe talking donkeys, snakes, bushes burning without actually burning, dudes parting seas with just a stick, sun and moon standing still, dude chilling in whales etc? Oh I forgot you believe a virgin got preggies?
1. To be honest, i don't know if the universe has an origin or not, there are theories around which makes sense, but doesn't completely gel. The theory of creationism that you believe in is just plain falsehood. Even the Catholic church agree its bullshit and have embraced evolution. Even the theory of big bang was made by a Catholic priest
2. Same for the source of natural laws. Remember you said it was created in one thread, I asked you who did it and proof, then you dodged
3. I don't understand this question. Maybe you need to rephrase…


1. Good. If you say your favorite daddy created it, then you gotta show proof. Else, why shouldn't I believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe and your Yahweh
2. Ditto for this
3. What if I posit, consciousness can come out of nothing? Can you counter me? Who created or made that original consciousness?

Lawag3:
I don't know all I know physical bodies can't survive on a spiritual world. Because physical bodies put a limit on the amazing abilities of a spiritual bodies

What are you talking about here?

Dtruthspeaker:
That is how the man hardened his heart when he was tormenting God's children, 400 years worth and even increasing their sorrow and suffering when they said they wanted to go and even murdered their own male children when they perceived they would soon be saved by power, and he did not hear their cries

An hardening of heart for a hardening of heart, a killing of children for a killing of children, evil, for evil the equation balance, as I pray that God would give you back all the evils you have ever done in this life as He gave Pharoah and Egypt back their own evil work.

Just is served!

As usual, quoting his own version of the Bible which actually has nothing to do with the actual bible
Kudos

Dtruthspeaker:
That is how the man hardened his heart when he was tormenting God's children, 400 years worth and even increasing their sorrow and suffering when they said they wanted to go and even murdered their own male children when they perceived they would soon be saved by power, and he did not hear their cries

An hardening of heart for a hardening of heart, a killing of children for a killing of children, evil, for evil the equation balance, as I pray that God would give you back all the evils you have ever done in this life as He gave Pharoah and Egypt back their own evil work.

Just is served!

Lawag3

SIRTee15:
Quote the context u talking about. I don't debate th bible in abstract or generalisation.

Exodus 7 Then the Lord said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. 2 You are to say everything I command you, and your brother Aaron is to tell Pharaoh to let the Israelites go out of his country. 3 But I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and though I multiply my signs and wonders in Egypt, 4 he will not listen to you. Then I will lay my hand on Egypt and with mighty acts of judgment I will bring out my divisions, my people the Israelites. 5 And the Egyptians will know that I am the Lord when I stretch out my hand against Egypt and bring the Israelites out of it.”

6 Moses and Aaron did just as the Lord commanded them. 7 Moses was eighty years old and Aaron eighty-three when they spoke to Pharaoh.

Aaron’s Staff Becomes a Snake
8 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, 9 “When Pharaoh says to you, ‘Perform a miracle,’ then say to Aaron, ‘Take your staff and throw it down before Pharaoh,’ and it will become a snake.”

10 So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and did just as the Lord commanded. Aaron threw his staff down in front of Pharaoh and his officials, and it became a snake. 11 Pharaoh then summoned wise men and sorcerers, and the Egyptian magicians also did the same things by their secret arts: 12 Each one threw down his staff and it became a snake. But Aaron’s staff swallowed up their staffs. 13 Yet Pharaoh’s heart became hard and he would not listen to them, just as the Lord had said.

The Plague of Blood
14 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Pharaoh’s heart is unyielding; he refuses to let the people go. 15 Go to Pharaoh in the morning as he goes out to the river. Confront him on the bank of the Nile, and take in your hand the staff that was changed into a snake. 16 Then say to him, ‘The Lord, the God of the Hebrews, has sent me to say to you: Let my people go, so that they may worship me in the wilderness. But until now you have not listened. 17 This is what the Lord says: By this you will know that I am the Lord: With the staff that is in my hand I will strike the water of the Nile, and it will be changed into blood. 18 The fish in the Nile will die, and the river will stink; the Egyptians will not be able to drink its water.’”

19 The Lord said to Moses, “Tell Aaron, ‘Take your staff and stretch out your hand over the waters of Egypt—over the streams and canals, over the ponds and all the reservoirs—and they will turn to blood.’ Blood will be everywhere in Egypt, even in vessels[a] of wood and stone.”

20 Moses and Aaron did just as the Lord had commanded. He raised his staff in the presence of Pharaoh and his officials and struck the water of the Nile, and all the water was changed into blood. 21 The fish in the Nile died, and the river smelled so bad that the Egyptians could not drink its water. Blood was everywhere in Egypt
Yahweh hardened pharaoh's heart so he can murder his kids and generally fvck him up

MightySparrow:
Tell us some of them.


Is it Allah of Quran that ha two hands on the right side that is your God?
I beg, go and be using burantashi in preparation for 72 houris with ever erecting boobs in your Al - Jaanah.

Let rest here joor.

Are you ready for this?
Looks like you think I'm a Muslim, who is your fellow in daftiness. Sorry I'm an atheist.
Lets start from the contradictions in the Bible before we got to the outright lies.

1. The first book on this list is Exodus 20:13 according to the Good News version which says "Do not commit murder."

On the same book, Exodus 32:27 says "And he said to them, Thus said the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor."

2. Genesis 32:30 says "Jacob said, I have seen God face-to-face, and I am still alive; so he named the place Peniel."

But John 1:18 says “No one has ever seen God. The only Son, who is the same as God and is at the Father's side, he has made him known."

3. Ephesians 2: 8-9 says "For by such grace you have been saved through faith. This does not come from you; it is the gift of God."

James 2:24 says "You observe that a person is justified through actions and not through faith alone."

4. Romans 3:23 says "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."

Job 1:1 says "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was blameless and upright, and one that feared God, and turned away from evil."

5. Deuteronomy 27:22 says "Cursed is the one who lies with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen!’"

But according to Wikipedia, the Bible and other sources, Abraham and his sister Sarah were married and their marriage was blessed.

6. Matthew 10:34 says "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the world. No, I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

John 16:33 says "I have told you this so that you will have peace by being united to me. The world will make you suffer. But be brave! I have defeated the world!"

7. Proverbs 26:4 says "Don't answer a fool according to his foolishness, or you will be just like him."

Proverbs 26:5 says "Answer a fool according to his foolishness, or he will think himself to be wise."

8. Genesis 17:10 says "Here is my covenant that you are to observe, between me and you and your descendants: Every male among you is to be circumcised.”

Galatians 5:2 says "Listen! I, Paul, am telling you that if you allow yourselves to be circumcised, the Messiah will be of no benefit to you.”

MightySparrow:
The science off Professor Mohammed ((SAW) of sperm forming in the spinal cord is not a lie.

And we have potatoes of medical doctors , biology and related courses still remaining as Muslims.

Even you. Hahaha

I don't understand what you mean by the bolded. Care to explain?