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elated177:
Etrange, there are also spiritual causes of wars.

Two people who are in same-sex relationship may not be causing harm to anyone directly, but the abominable and unnatural act defiles the earth. When the earth is defiled, who suffers it? So, you see, etrange, homosexuality is a dangerous act. It constitutes danger to both the perpetrators and the others. This is simple to understand.

What if a person decides to pollute the only source of drinking water in his/her community, should he/she be allowed to do him/her?

What would my culture say about something that was never part of it? Such an act would have been considered strange and those who were caught in it dealt with. In fact, such an act was unheard of. We have names for many things, but there is no name for homosexuality in my language.

Homosexuality has been in existence since time immemorial, so have the evil spirits.


Can you mention some of the African cultures that weren't homophobic?

1. You're still viewing the world through your religion lenses. It doesn't work that way. I may decide to judge you based on my religion, and then conflict begins. Why is live and let live a problem with theists?
2. About African history, I think you need a good education.
African history is replete with examples of both erotic and nonerotic same-sex relationships. For example, the ancient cave paintings of the San people near Guruve in Zimbabwe depict two men engaged in some form of ritual sex. During precolonial times, the “mudoko dako,” or effeminate males among the Langi of northern Uganda were treated as women and could marry men. In Buganda, one of the largest traditional kingdoms in Uganda, it was an open secret that Kabaka (king) Mwanga II, who ruled in the latter half of the 19th century, was gay.
Even ancient Egyptian paintings depicted homosexuality before the pyramids

elated177:
Tctriils, who do you think is responsible for sexual attraction?

Question is 'what', not 'who', and that what is the brain. The hypothalamus, to be precise

MaxInDHouse:
When we tell you that you must belong to the global family of the house of faith where each member is subjected to the same line of thought regarding what the scriptures say {John 17:22} you will say it's not necessary now you have to deal with the fact that your book is of no relevance to everyone {2Thessalonians 3:2} because they don't see it as the word of the supreme being which should influence their thoughts! Hebrews 4:12

So continue arguing with them when true disciples of Christ have our own global family of peace loving worshipers under one umbrella! Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Zephaniah 3:9

This one own na to dey parrot senseless JW narrative upandan. I don't need mol@sters around me

Dtruthspeaker:
We judge others based on natural laws and unfortunately our religion is founded upon Natural Law.

And under Natural Law, homosexuals are guilty and condemnable.



Yes! They were immediately killed when caught in the past

www.reuters.com
Russia's gays fear more violence after brutal murder
13 May 2013 — They beat him. They shoved beer bottles in his anus. They tried to set him on fire. Then they crushed his head with a ..."



This is not true. Africans did not have any need for homophobia because we were not under the Curse in Romans 1:24/ 27.

Homophobia is nature's way of saying "destroy this abomination quickly lest evil and curses come."

But now the cursed has transmitted their curses to Africa and now our blessed Africa is now cursed.

Your own ignorance sef na follow-come.
Africa had homosexuals, even had kings as gays. And the king was groping young boys like crazy.
And no christianity isn't built on natural laws. Homosexuality is natural, just so you know

Dtruthspeaker:
Exactly how 2 people having sex in public is offensive to everyone normal person is how homosexuality is offensive to normal people. It is no different from beastiality.

When gay men are having sex in a lounge in Lekki, how would it offend you that is miles away and ignorant of their existence, never mind their sexuality?

etrange:
It's okay if your religion is against homosexuality. What is not okay is you using your religion to judge others. The logic of "my religion does not permit this, therefore you must not do it" makes zero sense. Regardless of how attached one is to his religion, he must not lose sight of the fact that there others who either have other religions or are completely irreligious. You've already said they're not hurting anyone. You don't have to go out of your way to drag them or jail them like in Nigeria. If you believe being gay is bad, don't be gay. However, let others who believe otherwise be themselves. Your Bible tells you they're destroying the world, yet none of the major wars in the past was caused by gay people. These wars were mostly caused by men who don't know how to coexist with people of different opinions, lifestyles or features. So you know what really destroyed the earth? Your inability to live and let live. The world would be a better place if you just do you and let others be.

It was never part of your culture? Ok, let's get this straight. When I asked what your culture said about it, I wasn't really asking if there were gay men back then. That's because the existence of gay people is not peculiar to any culture or time. Gay people have been in existing for as long as man has been around. What changes over time is people's disposition towards them. So the question I was asking is, have you ever heard any story of gay people being attacked in those days? Homophobia was imported into Africa by Europeans. Many African cultures were not homophobic before the advent of the white man.

The bolded is the etiology of diseases like Boko Haram, Isis etc and many Christian terrorist groups came up

elated177:
Etrange, it is ok if you don't want to believe the Scriptures and what they have said and have to say. It is your prerogative now that you are still here in this present time.


On the emboldened:

The abominable act of homosexuality was never part of my culture. It is still not part of culture. Was/is homosexuality part of your own culture?

I am glad you didn't say that they are using the Scriptures to justify or approve of the abominable act of homosexuality. The scriptural views on the detestable act of homosexuality have never changed and will never change. It remains an abomination for ever.

Further info:

Those who were used by the Owner of Scriptures to bring them to our ancestors are long dead.

The problem with theists, especially the fundamentalists is plain ignorance. Bro, your ancestors both here and in Africa practiced homosexuality. It was a norm.
African history is replete with examples of both erotic and nonerotic same-sex relationships. For example, the ancient cave paintings of the San people near Guruve in Zimbabwe depict two men engaged in some form of ritual sex. During precolonial times, the “mudoko dako,” or effeminate males among the Langi of northern Uganda were treated as women and could marry men. In Buganda, one of the largest traditional kingdoms in Uganda, it was an open secret that Kabaka (king) Mwanga II, who ruled in the latter half of the 19th century, was gay.

judedwriter:
God never created anyone to be a gay o...

Being gay is caused by external factors.

Like what

sonmvayina:
They where created that way..

They where only forbidden to act on it...

Being gay is not a choice, it is not like religion where you can choose to be a Muslim or christian.

Are you saying Allah, Yahweh, etc created them gay?

Banilla:
Everyone is gay, some are just more gay than others...

Depends on what you mean by 'gay'?

Banilla:
What research? Link? Or you're a liar?

He'll pull up a half assed research that the scientists themselves clearly stated isn't conclusive

Dtruthspeaker:
You know, we know you are A Lying Demon!

Why don't you pray so we can all fall and die, and save you this disgrace

PastorandMentor:
Stop justifying rubbish. There is nothing natural about fucking and losting after same sex

Again, y'all need to define this 'natural'?

Berrityga:
forget bro. Just look deep into our entertainment industry is flooded with bisexuals. If you can't join them yo can't make it far in the industry.

I agree. Especially females. Not that I have anything against lesbianism

Trollronaldo:
lol, it's amazing how you people create figures from thin air

You do something similar to that

Berrityga:
The truth is that if same sex marriage is legalize in Nigeria we will find out 60% of our guys are bisexuals.

True. I daresay we have more gays than UK or US, especially lesbians(My hunch, not backed by any data).
But due to criminalization, they wont come out of that closet

Trollronaldo:
research and study suggests otherwise.

Studies shows that 2/3 of homosexuals were influenced into doing it by environmental factors

Which environmental factors, kind sire?

Steep:
same sex attraction is not natural.
Humans are fallen creatures and so are drawn towards sin by nature but however same sex attraction is not natural at all just like a human having sexual attraction for animals, it is unnatural and a result of people rejecting God's truth.

Can you define 'being natural'?

Hashabiah:
The idea that people are born homosexuals is a lie from the pity of hell. Yes, people have inclinations to be attracted to certain passions and desires , but it is abnormal to act on those desires . If we continue endorsing this kind of behavior, then paedophilia can also be permitted

The difference is gay doesn't impede on another person's human rights. Pedophilia does.

tctrills:
Same sex attraction is natural but being gay is a decision. We all are attracted to do different stupid stuff but it's up to us to resist.

What do you define as 'being gay'?

Maynman:
You certainly don’t know what “gay” means.

Same for this. Educated the dude. He seems dense in these matters

Maynman:
Wrong!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/09/being-gay-african-history-homosexuality-christianity

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/4/homosexuality-africamuseveniugandanigeriaethiopia.html

See why i said agnostics are monotheist sympathizers.

I have already intimated him of these info

Trollronaldo:
yes, not all animals sir.

Can you jusy stop spreading this lies?

Which animals don't engage in it?

Trollronaldo:
yes.

I thought I have debunked this proposition. Those researches are inconclusive

Dtruthspeaker:
See how the devils are screaming at death being directed towards them. They thought they were the only ones with a licence to kill.

Have you seen an atheist terrorist organization?

LordReed:
Yeah with possible exceptions in insects like ants and termites. The exception list would be relatively smaller.

Yeah. Maybe. I'll have to check those out

TheSourcerer:
are you gay though ? Bi-sexual maybe?

Nah bro. I'm straighter than an arrow. Love me some good pussy. I love lesbians tho. Dont care about gay niggas

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha!. Are you incapable of listing the environmental factors you would remove to limit the spread of homosexuality?

This thread is well into its 11 page, yet this dude, who has been bickering about the 'environmental factors' hasnt intimated us

LordReed:
Rather the question is in which animal hasn't it been observed. Dogs, cats, chimps, ducks, lions, elephants, dolphins and so on. The list is shorter if you care to name the animals that haven't been observed doing it.

Virtually all animals engage in it

dalass:
You saw dogs mating or hens, horses,lions or which of these animals are you talking about?

Have you been following this thread, or you jumped in midway

Trollronaldo:
It means that you have not been following.


The argument is "Environmental factors can aid the spread of homosexuality, I didn't say that environmental factor can create it"


Let me give you an analogy that can help "environmental factor can help the spread of HIV, environmental factors with respect to peculiar culture may not necessarily create it"

Which environmental factors spread HIV

Trollronaldo:
ok, lemme to rephrase, maybe you will stop shooting at the strawman.

The argument is "not" environmental factors can cause the rise of homosexuality.

The argument is "Environmental factors can make homosexuality spread faster".

Please can you address the latter?

No offense. What's the difference