₦airaland Forum

Aemmyjah:
Apes only think of themselves too

I'm sure when you eat, the food nourishes another person. Or when you are in danger, you try to save the next person. Arrant hypocrite

triplechoice:
I believe you brought this here because you assume religion is the real reason most people are homophobic. But that's not true

The Russian and especially the Chinese government strongly reject the LGBT community, and we know it's not because of religious beliefs.

The truth of the matter is that most humans are hardwired to reject anything that's against the norm and would react negatively without thinking when faced with what they don't expect to see ,or something they cannot make sense of.

Ignorant and intolerant people are found amomgs all groups. We have the irreligious who are bitterly homophobic. Some atheist are also included and guilty of the same

So, Instead of blaming religion for the current discrimination against gay people, you and others on the same path of promoting the same thing, which I'm not against and at the same time not in support of, should focus more on enlightening the general public on why we have homosexuals in our midst and the reason we should tolerate them .

The public need to know the whole truth and not half truths and propoganda to make them change their minds.



But remember not everyone would listen to you or want to change their attitude. It's not easy to change human behaviour especially those of an adult.

Attacking a particular group or any other group can only make things worse for those in the LGBT community as it would cause these other groups to take it as fight or competition which they must win.

Unfortunately, gay people are a minority group that's not expected to win this battle.


Most gay people, if you ask them, Just want to live their lifes quietly without the unnecessary attention being placed on them.

Putting them in the spotlight may have increased the pyschological pressure coming from others around them and also from within themselves. This can affect their mental health in ways they may not be fully conscious of.

Most people are more comfortable and relax to live their lives without much stress when others are not focused on them.

Traditional African societies of the past were very good at managing this kind of situation better than those in the western world are currently doing.

Our forefathers never made much of an issue out of the situation . They maintained a silence that came from sincere concern and understanding which gave those with gay tendencies the mental freedom and physical space to live their lifes quietly and happily without any harrassment.


My advice is that you sheathe the sword and use other methods that can achieve better results.

If you insist religion is the problem then, what do you have to say about atheist who are homophobic?

1. When you say theists aren't against homosexuality, you are such a big liar. Just taking a peek on the nairaland religion topics would show you how christians and Muslims feel about it.You even christians assaulted or killing gays. Same for Muslims. Why do you think homosexuality isn't accepted in Nigeria? How many Nigerian are atheists? Even in religious books they forbid homosexuality and recommend death for gays. So I wonder how you arrived at your conclusion.
2. I'm sure you didn't research on China and homosexuality. That country has accepted homosexuality since early 2000s. And its largely atheistic.
3. Russia is quite religious. It would interest you to know Putin is a Russian Orthodox Christian. In fact, only a small percentage is atheistic, ie 10% or so. The rest is theistic with Orthodox Church taking a huge bite. Thus its no wonder their anti-gay stance. Most relatively large atheistic counters are pro-gay(unsurprisingly). From Eastern Europe to UK.
4. Africa was immersed in homosexuality before the White man came and told us its bad. Now they are telling us is good.
5. Atheists are pro-gay. Why? Because we believe in equal rights for everyone. Blacks, Yoruba, Igbo, gay, Muslims, Christians, blind etc. We are humanists. Of course there may be individuals who hate it, but they don't represent the majority, not up to 1%

Dtruthspeaker:
Another Lying production from the vampire crypt of little led lyingReed! hahahahahaha

Lawag3

Lawag3:
Was Pontius Pilate a real person? let's start from here

Lol. You dodged all those posts and pushed the Pontius Pilate post.
Right, lemme oblige you
Yeah, he was a real person? Any ish?

Lawag3:
I think all this sexual talk or gender orientation should not be in the hands of the school. I think that's a parents job.

I think the parents should be involved if schools want to have a sexual or gender orientation class I .

The education of a child is in the state's hand. And that is for good reasons.
Imagine if a bigot like DTruthSpeaker or some Muslim extremist has children and inculcates it into their head that all gays, Muslims, blacks must die wherever they see them….
Yup. You'll end up a country of all sorts of bigots, extremists, haters etc.
Listen. Not everyone has to be a chrsitian, unfortunately. Imagine countries where their laws ignore every other religions and enforce their own religious laws, like Saudi, Pakistan etc. Would you like it as a Christian? I guess not. But you'll love where christianity is enforced, ignoring or persecuting others
Isnt that double standards?
Savvy?

Lawag3:
Do you know why God allows physical death? In humans since we were created to be immortals.


When sin came into this world God knew that sick twisted people would come into this world commiting abomination imagine a world where Hitler can't die imagine immortal serial killers this world would be terrible. So God made it that our average age of we live long would be 120. He gives us many opportunities in our lifetime to repent but when we die it's gone. When God brought punishment on Sodom and Gomorrah it wasn't a remedy for their sins, they were already passed redemption.

The Children that died although it may sound somehow to you but they are in a better place this world is cruel and they were lucky not to experience it fully.

Children die every day, some tragic and painful death and it hurts God since this wasn't how he wanted the earth to be like. Anyway the place they are now is free of pain and suffering. Do you know why God hates Sin ? Because sin is the only thing capable of corrupting any good thing God has made.

I'm practically guffawing now. The lengths Christian go to defend their God is risible. I knew you'll toe this line, and I'm waiting for you patiently.
Ok. So the babies are in a better place, right?
Would you like to go to that 'better place?'
Would you want your baby to be in this 'better place' and not in your arms?
Hell, why do y'all christians fast and pray for your babies not to die and be in this 'better place'?
Why do you say Yahweh has given you life and no death(thereby avoiding this 'better place'?
You even say this death ( this 'better place') is not your portion?
You see why I warned you to think properly (and not regurgitate what you have been programmed to auto-reply)?

Lawag3:
Many do support the organization it was made to protect them wasn't it?

Not everyone supports how their organizations runs its agenda.

LordReed:
Lawag3
I would like you to watch this video and tell me what you think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ehr7uYee6U

What else do you think Lawag3 would say? That bittchh sounds exactly like him, and many other Christians here who want to force down their religious views on other religions. Isn't that what Boko Haram is doing? Only Lawag3 is doing it, sans bombs

Lawag3:
Homosexuality is a sin but not a crime in most places . I leave them to God to judge them

As long as they do their stuff without forcing others to acknowledge them then I'm good

Good. Now you're talking. LGBTQ doesnt want acknowledgement. They want equal treatment. Just treat then as regular folks. Don't be too good or bad. End of

Lawag3:
Everyone has sin me you new born babies we are all born into sin

What has this answer got to do with my questions?
I thought I told you to think properly(because I know you'll post one half assed answer). Read my question and answer it.
Even if babies are born into sin, is the remedy to murder them all? Imagine if Yahweh murdered you or your son, because you (allegedly) were born into sin?

elated177:
Rants and rambles of a scared child. Where did I suggest or imply the killing of homosexuals, mkpi ohia?






I have no desire to open a "church". I am church, jae.

Oji onu egbu tu nkwụ . Take up my challenge, faggòt.

1. I didn't specifically mean you kill homosexuals. I mean your ilk. Christians like you. Its common knowledge some christians have assaulted and killed gays , not just in Nigeria, but other parts of the world.

2. If you like open a church. Your business, bitttcch

3. Which challenge?
OKAY, JAEPHOENIX, FIRST OF HIS NAME, THE FAVORITE OF THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER, HEREBY DARE ELATED AND HIS BITTCCH, YAHWEH TO SEND LIGHTNING AND STRIKE ME DEAD THIS SECOND

Image123:
i have already given you your marks, you don't need to disturb me further to change it. Now, dance around again.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27933051

I believe you can read and write. You wrote LGBTQ threatening governments. Now you're posting about the US Government threatening Uganda. When did LGBTQ become the whole US Government? Did it also occur to you the US have a paeliament like Capitol Hill which has GOP who are anti-gay?

Lawag3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-VSGG_9sws

There are more but just start with this one

Right. Sorry for the late response. I'm quite busy
1. The first 'evidence' talked about James(Jacob) brother of Jesus.
Well, it has been found to be a fake(like many evidences of your Jesus). Read these excerpts from different sources. You can do your own independent researches

a.
The inscription, reading “James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus” has been authenticated by two eminent paleographers (specialists in dating, interpreting and authenticating inscriptions): André Lemaire of the Sorbonne and Ada Yardeni of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. In 2003, however, the Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) appointed a committee of scholars to study the “brother of Jesus” inscription and report its findings. The committee concluded that the inscription was a forgery.

b.
In 2003, The Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) argued that the inscriptions were forged at a much later date.[5] In December 2004, Oded Golan was charged with 44 counts of forgery, fraud, and deception, including forgery of the Ossuary inscription

2. Piece of heel bone of a ?20 year old man found with nails stuck there.

a.
Now isn't it odd that all we can find of this particular skeleton is just his heel bone. The rest of his bones were hacked off. People don't just decompose and leave only their heel bones. In this case, just the heel was seen, the rest of the feet which includes the toes, phalanges were gone, leaving part of the calcaneum(heel bone). That screams fake.

b. This is an excerpt from an archaeological article
… It is therefore an odd fact that archaeological evidence of this punishment — crosses, for example, or perforated skeletons — has never been found anywhere in the world, with one exception: this one

c. The inscription said Yehohanan, son of Hagakol. Doesn't exactly sound like Jesus, does it?

d. Another excerpt proving that even if it was real, it wasnt Jesus …
The position of the stake was evidence of a crucifixion technique that had not previously been known, according to museum curator David Mevorah. In the image of crucifixion made famous by Christian iconography, Jesus is pictured with both feet nailed to the front of the vertical beam of the cross. But this man’s feet had been affixed to the sides of the beam with nails hammered separately through each heel.



e.
That bone was from a 20 year old man. According to your Bible, Jesus died around 33 years, a good 13 years late

f. Now the clincher, if the bones of Jesus was found, that means he died, like every other mortal, and his body decomposes. So how is he a god? And didn't yall tell us in the Bible he ascended?
Remember you just told me some posts ago that Jesus was the only god whose tomb was not found
So whose bones was in that ossuary youre proudly displaying as evidence of Jesus existence?

3. A stone bearing Pontius Pilate found somewhere. Lol.
This is like saying that since New York exists then Spiderman really does exist. Nuff said
No need to expantiate on this

4. The earthquake around the time Jesus died.

This is what I got…

In terms of the earthquake data alone, Williams and his team acknowledge that the seismic activity associated with the crucifixion could refer to “an earthquake that occurred sometime before or after the crucifixion and was in effect ‘borrowed’ by the author of the Gospel of Matthew, and a local earthquake between 26 and 36 A.D. that was sufficiently energetic to deform the sediments of Ein Gedi but not energetic enough to produce a still extant and extra-biblical historical record.” “If the last possibility is true, this would mean that the report of an earthquake in the Gospel of Matthew is a type of allegory,” they write
Meaning its conjectural, and not a proven evidence.

5. An edict prohibiting tomb robberies. This is like number 3 above. The edict could have been for robbery of some tombs, and not necessarily Jesus's

6. Graffito depicting a man Alexamenos worshipping his god, an ass-headed man.
Again, I got this…

No clear consensus has been reached on when the image was made. Dates ranging from the late 1st to the late 3rd century have been suggested, with the beginning of the 3rd century thought to be the most likely.
It may be related to Jesus, or not!

7. This talked about historians talking about jesus.
One was Josephus. Now this is a known fake, which I talked about.
A new article just beats this dead horse deader still. Hat tip to Vridar and Peter Kirby. Honestly. The evidence that the Testimonium Flavianum (or TF) is entirely a late Christian forgery is now as overwhelming as such evidence could ever get.
Read more of it here.
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7437

Next up is Pliny the Younger, and this is about his letters…
Neither Pliny nor Trajan mentions the crime that Christians were supposed to have committed, except for being a Christian; and other historical sources do not provide a simple answer to what that crime could be, but most likely due to the stubborn refusal of Christians to worship Roman gods; making them appear as objecting to Roman rule.

As you can see, he talked about Christians, and not Jesus. Its just like somebody telling you Islam is real or Mohammed is a prophet because Muslims were jailed.
Does it make sense?

Next up was Origen, a Christian theologer. What the Bleep do you expect a Christian theologer to say about Jesus?
To say he didn't exist?


See, I didn’t become an atheist by chance. I really did go through all the evidences pro and con about religion(and christianity specifically) and they were all anecdotal.

So bring on the next evidences you have, but please read through them. You just wasted my time
Thank you

elated177:
You are wasting your time. I will continue to propagate the truth of YHVH Almighty, the one and only true God, the Creator of the heavens, the earth, the seas and everything in them. Homosexuality is an abomination. I will never stop preaching against it.

I never told you to stop preaching against it. If you like open a church, mount speakers and be hating on homosexuality. Your headache, your business.
What we are saying is treat them as you would treat a regular person (which was what directed in your holy book, in the first place). Don't assault or kill them. Simple
You have comprehension skills. Where am I promoting homosexuality?
By the way, you and your yahweh are as useful as p in psychology.
Tell him to send lightning after me, fagggot

elated177:
You must think your condescending attitude gives you some kind of edge over others. It only shows how empty you truly are, jae.



Who are you calling a nutcase. Jae, barring the fact that you may be even remotely related to me, I can assure you, jae, that someone as supernaturally blessed and gifted like elated177 has never existed in your lineage, not even in the past 1000 years, and will never exist in your lineage in the next 1000 years, unless, of course, we are or become related in the future, no matter how little.

If you doubt me, present the best and most supernaturally gifted, blessed or talented living person in your lineage. If the person turns out to be better than me, you have earned the right to insult me any how you like. You can also come forward if you believe you are worthy.


Finally, if you think I am a homosexual because I am vehemently opposing it, all you need to do is catch me doing it. Yes, all you need to do is catch me sticking my penis into another man's smelling butthole, jae. Nkita rachaa gi anya there.

Jae, abstain from faggotry. It is an abominable filth.

Lol.
Such an intelligent dude yet he doesn't understand basic science
You were angry cos I called you gay without seeing you practicing it, yet you call me gay in your next breath(without even knowing who I am or if I'm gay)
Ara ka nma na okorobia

Lawag3:
Unfortunately that's how sin works it brings God's anger on everyone.

1. So killing innocent babies is ok, if their parents are sinful?
2. Being an all merciful god why didn't he deal with the Pharaoh without involving the innocent babies?
Think carefully

Lawag3:
Nope he didn't he only did It after pharoah proved to be very stubborn.

In the bolded it says pharaoh's heart is unyielding he refused to let them go anytime God hardened pharaoh's heart the bible says it but as you can see his heart was already unyielding.

I believe you can read and write. Yahweh clearly stated told Moses he'll harden the pharaoh's heart before moses stepped out to confront the pharaoh to let them leave

Lawag3:
I never said homosexuals were to be shot

What were you suggesting?

Image123:
You are more ignorant than i expected.

Good. Show me the clip where LGBTQ is threatening governments

MightySparrow:
How?

Dó you mean the correction contains more errors that the original question?

The stories in the bible are lies and contradictions to each other

MightySparrow:
Tell me more joor

The bible has been found to be full of lies

TenQ:
Really!?

Even though, both Muslims and Christians believe in MIRACLES

Do you in your life think that the Creator will say that men's reproductive fluids come from their backbone while the females reproductive fluids come from their rib cage?

Do you think that it is remotely possible that the Creator of everything will think that the Sun sets in a pool of murky waters?

Please, respond to these

Dude, I'm not a theist.
Christianity has its own daft points. Islam aint the only dafties atound. Remember the bible said sun stood still for days, man was made from mud/sand, donkeys and snakes talk, folks hang out inside fishes, bushes burn without actually burning etc. All the regular stuff I find in Snow White and the Seven Dwarves

budaatum:
Pity you spoil an informative thread with your own opinion.

I personally can't wait till they find a vaccine for stupidity and ignorance (though they actually have already, just that many refuse to take it).

Bro, the stupidity is so awesome

MrPresident1:
https://news.mit.edu/2020/rna-vaccines-explained-covid-19-1211
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/03/how-mrna-technology-could-change-world/618431/

If MRNA vaccines are safe, why where they never used to develop cures for HIV, CANCER and DIABETES all this while?

Why did big Pharma, an arm of the Babylonian system, have to wait till Covid 19 broke out, when they knew that MRNA vaccines were safe all along, since the 1970s?

Over 30million human beings have died from HIV/AIDS, Malaria is the leading killer in Africa, Cancer is like a certain death sentence, Diabetes is a waster, and MRNA vaccines were safe all along, yet they were never developed to cure these diseases?

And MRNA is so easy to edit to tailor to cure any illness or disease, very very easy and quick to edit, dead easy!

Yet until Covid broke out, they never used this safe method to help, heal, cure, or save people.

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Why are theists so dense in science?
Is it that this dude hasn't heard of mRNA vaxxes? These were around years before Covid
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/21898-mrna-vaccines

MrPresident1:
Covid 19 is the sign of the son of man in heaven Matthew 24:30, heaven is the leading ruling nations of the earth, and the heaven of this present world is the confederacy of Edom; including Israelis, America, British, France, Italiano, NATO etc.,

The most concerning covid variants are coming from the ‘east’ e.g. China virus from China, Delta variant from India etc., we will soon have the Iran variant, Laos variant, Vietnamese variant etc. Revelation 16:12; the Euphrates has been dried up to allow the ‘easterners to penetrate Babylon.

Its really difficult to argue science with theists. Which one is India and China variants?

MrPresident1:
Both stem cell technology and MRNA technology have been around since the 1970s, yet they were never used to create cures for diseases and wasting conditions.

Then in 2019/2020, a ‘novel’ (misnomer, nothing new under the sun) corona virus disease breaks out in the world. Corona viruses are responsible for mild common cold are some of the weakest viruses ever known https://coronavirusexplained.ukri.org/en/article/cad0003/ Coronaviruses (CoVs) are a family of viruses that cause respiratory and intestinal illnesses in humans and animals. They usually cause mild colds in people…

This ‘novel’ corona virus with its novel disease, or covid-19, with 99% curability is the reason many of us now know about MRNA vaccines and stem cell research. They never used this knowledge/technology to get rid of HIV or cancer or diabetes, but suddenly it is the magic bullet cure for a disease that has 99% curability. Why has Big Pharma, an arm of the Babylonian system, never used MRNA and Stem cells to cure disease, prior to Covid 19?

A diagnosis of cancer means almost certain death, but human lives has a measure in Esau/Babylonian currency. Profiting from human misery; Human lives for sale; trading in the souls of men. All for profit!

Sheer wickedness. Sheer evil.

Your time is up!

If you don't know something, kindly ask questions
1. Good percentage of covid patients are young and the coronavirus can run its course without problems. The reason world is concerned about Covid is the effect on the elderly who have diseases like chronic kidney diseases, diabetes. These reduce the immune system and make the senior citizen susceptible, and can die from Covid
2. HIV has proven difficult to cure because the viruses go to what we call 'sanctuary sites' like lymphatic nodes and thus many drugs can't access it there.
3. There are many types of cancer, so getting a particular cure for all is a pipe dream. We can reduce the incidence
4. Diabetes is a multisystemic disease and stem cell is gradually trying to help but religious fruitcakes like you are crying out against stem cell technology

MightySparrow:
Who instituted the Quran?

Who instituted mutt'ah? Why is it that some Muslims claim that only shia practice it.


Who abrogated it.
Islam is a joke my friend

Same as christianity

SIRTee15:
Those kids were young men according to Jewish scriptures. They were not some pre teens without knowledge of what they were doing.

All Onan had to do if he wasn't interested in rasing kids they weren't his own was to say NO. He didn't, he wanted the pleasure but not the responsibility. That's was a wicked thing.
No one will kill him if he refused. Judah noticed the trend and refused to pass the lady on to his 3rd child as per tradition- nothing happened to him.
Judah could have man up and perform the deed himself but stylishly sent her away- God didn't kill him.

The verse is all about taking responsibility that comes with pleasure, God hates it the opposite- a warning to men who denies responsibility for pregnancy they create and force the woman to have an abortion.

Are you aware Yahweh hardened someone's heart so he can kill the man's children and punish him?

TenQ:
Thank God for an Arab like Christian Prince, so many mistranslations of the Qur'an have been exposed. Muslims by nature are too sentimental about the RELIGION that the TRUTH is thrown OVERBOARD.

Without LIES, Islam as a Religion CRUMBLES. The Decking of lies is in multiple stairs of skyscraper!

There's more deceit in the bible

MightySparrow:
Do mind the ignoramus, he wants to claim he knows the Bible more than Christians. I watch his mentors, Zakir Naik and Shabby Ally dishing out nonsense to continue in Islamic deception.


His 72 houris are waiting for him by the river of rum in Al - Jaanah.

Unfortunately your Bible isnt much better

Lawag3:
Do spirit have chromosomes. Chromosomes are characteristics of physical bodies not spiritual bodies.

What do spiritual bodies have

Dtruthspeaker:
You are lying yansh man yansh licker! you have not yet passed 30. And I already can see it that for a long time your days are full of sorrows and frustrations and failures as I have cursed you the last time which is why you have finally gone mad and even though your words are correctly placed, they are exactly words a mad person who went to school would say. You are now mad because you have been turned to a frustrated fool! Nothing you do would work, and so shall it be until you die a very slow painful death.

Lawag3