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Aemmyjah:
See this liar
How I wish I took a screenshot of exactly what you said

Now you're changing mouth
Did I not mention that other Churches remember jesus'death
You're trying to hide your embarrassment
You said it was till the time of the apostles that Jesus Christ death should be remembered and you de misyan scriptures
One thing about liars is that they can't even remember what they said especially the malicious ones

Sand2022:
JWs understanding of Rom 6:7 has led to more problems for their doctrine. As a saying goes... "One theological error leads to another". I do respect churches and their right to their own understanding. We all grow in learning.

The JW say that since Rom 6:7 says that he who has died has been acquitted or freed from his sin, it means that when that one gets resurrected, God cannot judge him based on his past life. As such, John 5:28,29 can't be understood to mean that these persons will be judged based on their past life before resurrection. This has also lead them to another error that one of the scrolls mentioned at Rev 20:12-13 must be a teaching manual to instruct the resurrected persons during Christs 1000 year reign, so as to furnish God with another basis to judge people. There are still other scriptures that has been affected by this understanding.

One error leads to another.

First ROM 6:7 is not even contextually talking about physical death, but spiritual death. If you die to your former way of life, your sins has been acquitted, simple. They are rather inputting a secondary meaning to this scripture. Even if we were to look at it secondarily, will it rather not mean that when one dies eternally, he has fully paid for his sins? Yes because the wages of sin is death, but this death is obviously an eternal death, not a temporary death. When one dies, without any hope of resurrection, that is the full pay for his sins. Not when he dies and had to be resurrected for judgment. He has not fully paid for his sins. If after judgment, he is found guilty, he is killed eternally. That is his wages.

Sand2022:
The Witnesses interpretation of Rev 20;5 is inconsistent. That too has led to other errors in their understanding. Let's see from verse 4 in the NWT.

"And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ended.) This is the first resurrection."

The watchtower sees the "life" in that verse 5 to mean perfection, but the "life" in verse 4 as physical resurrection. They say that those in verse 4 are those of the 144000 who are in the grave. They will be resurrected as the verse 4 says, but now when they come to verse 5, they now said that "come to life" their means 'become perfect'. This interpretation then made them to say that billions that will be on earth will only be perfect after the 1000 year reign of Christ. That's how they see that Rev 20:5.

However, notice that verse 5 is a continuation of the line of reasoning in verse 4.

Following their logic, it will be wrong then, to say that the "rest of the dead did not come to life" mentioned in verse 5 means that they did not resurrect. Why?

Because when you use the word "rest of" you are linking the second group to the first. In other words, if the first group coming to life means literal resurrection, then the rest that didn't come to life will mean that they were not resurrected. Simple.

Eg. There are groups A, B, C. If you say that "Group A came to the park, but the rest of the group did not come to the park". You cannot give the word " park" different meaning. Giving it one meaning when it refers to group A and another meaning when it talks about the other groups. Right?

If you mean that Group A literally came to the park, then it will mean that group B, and C did not literally come to the park. Otherwise, you're not being consistent.

2. Another inconsistency in the doctrine is that they see the dead at verse 4 as literally dead, but the dead in verse 5 as spiritually dead despite the linking phrase "rest of the".

Sand2022:
It is this doctrine that additionally contributed to their thinking that Christs ransom sacrifice that clears one of sin did not apply to any other person except the 144000. In other words, only 144000 are sons of God. Other JWs are not sons of God.

One error leads to another...

This GIBBERISH emanating from your delusion is not JWs teaching.
Oga, you are very deluded and LYING.
Screenshot evidence confirmed that.
Pinkylovely alias Sand.

Onucs:
Next Jehovah witness to come to my porche, I swear, I slam the door.

fman:
A religion that specializes in brain washing gullible folks!!
I don't listen to them.
I simply tell them: am not interested!!

Dtruthspeaker:
E dey dia before una comot am for una own book as una dey break Law.

reubenobi:
It is well.. may GOD see you all through. I have a good friend who is a Jehovah Witness, i just hope that GOD opens his eyes.

Aemmyjah:
I never said you have a paralysed brain
You can't comprehend bible or anything written
Read what I wrote again
Do you have a problem with comprehension?

elated177:
I have told you already to quote Scriptures fully for a better discourse. Till you are ready to do so, I will not respond to your questions.

Steep:
yes the Holy Spirit is a different person from God the Father.
Most times the word " God" is used in reference to the Father.

The mind of the Spirit is God's mind
The mind of the father is God's mind
And the mind of the Son is God's mind.
Because they are distinct persons God the father could search the mind of the Spirit and vice versa because the Spirit could reveal the mind of the Father and same with Jesus the Son.

Dtruthspeaker:
Even if the whole world gree, me I go tell dem say dem no get right at all to alter or comot another person testimony.

Res ipsa loquitur na d Law, so make d document talk wetin e talk.

Courz:
Show me directly from the Bible in that same verse that Rev 19 vs 1 refers to heavenly Spirits. What are those heavenly spirits? Who are they? Show me directly from the Bible that there are two great crowds because That is what you are saying now. So, show me verses. All those verses you plastered all over are useless.

Then tell me, are you saying that one of the 24 Elders lied to John about the True Identity of the Great Crowd? The Great Crowd are described as those who came out of the Great Tribulation from all nations in the world. Are these heavenly spirits as you called them now humans who survived the Great Tribulation?

Psalm 115:16 & 1 Corinthians 15:50,Did your Bible say human flesh and blood dwell in heaven?


Revelation 7:9 great crowd of human beings.
Revelation 19:1, great crowd of heavenly spirits.
Are there palm branches in heaven?

Nah Courz IBERIBEIST plant am
Courz IBERIBEISM extraordinary divorce from reality.

Dtruthspeaker:
Your Bible does not have 1 John 5:7

smadas:
If holy spirit is God, why does it need to search the mind of God. It means that they different persons.

Courz:
Answer the damn questions and stop deflecting. We know this Cult like the back of our hands. Even non JWs know your Problems.

If she is really free to join other religions just the same way you JWs say people are free to join yours, why is Watchtower holding people ransom by destroying the Family unit, destroying family relationships by teaching you JWs the demonic teaching of shunning people that leave? Is that not how Cults operate? In many countries, there are JW families that haven't spoken to one another for more than 10 years, even till death. Some do not get to know when their family members die just because they left the Cult! Your Cult is demonic! They destroy Families and they are paying the price when they keep get taken to court over and over. The Norwegian government have stopped funding Watchtower because of this destructive policy. And your foolish senile Freemason gods, the Governing body in your recent broadcast were lamenting about it. They must really love free money so much for them to ask you foolish JWs to pray for them.

If your Cult is the best religion in the world, why are there victims of Child Sexual Abuse and those victims are taking Watchtower to court? And why is The lovely and Holy Watchtower punishing victims for speaking out? Why is Watchtower selling Kingdom halls, Bethel branches and Assembly halls around the world if you JWs have no match outside amongst religions? Why are people so eager to leave your Cult still? Why are there Pedophiles in your Cult? Why is there Adultery, Fornication, Murder, suicide, Tribalism, Racism, etc happening amongst you if truly no one will find a better religion better than yours? Why are there PIMOs eager to leave in your Cult? The way you talk boasting about your Cult is just like an abusive Husband boasting to his wife that she will never get any man better than him. Goes to show the abusive nature of your Cult.

Bow your head in shame because several people completely disagree with you with the many Kingdom halls being sold. A better alternative to JW is JESUS! Jesus Christ! Everyone should leave that Satanic Cult of yours and follow Jesus! I know that this is a completely foreign concept to you because you are not a Christian. Let that sink in!

pinkylovely:
Ohhh! Good thing you've said it in the most plain words now. Lol!

Reread my message before you start beating around the bush again. When you go out to preach and meet a householder who has lost a loved one in death, what do you tell them?! You open the same scriptures the governing body has approved for y'all and open your MOUTH to tell them that they'll see their dead loved one again. Thesame dead loved one who attends a different denomination altogether. Thesame dead loved one who has been actively participating in other religious activities, thesame dead loved one you've already judged and seen to be destined for destruction in your heart! It's thesame dead loved one you LIE to a householder about in a bid to showing YOUR HYPOCRITAL LOVE and EMPATHY that they'll see their loved one again!

The very same loved one that you've classified as part of babylon the great and part of the wicked!

Has Jesus Christ carried out 2 Thess1:7-9?
No.
Has Jesus Christ fulfilled Acts 24:15?
No.
Every Servant of Jehovah knows that everyone JWs meet in the preaching work (whether the person listens to the preaching today or not), that individual is a potential sheep of Jehovah, (John 6:44) until Jesus strikes in fulfilment of 2 Thess1:7-9,You have the option to continue WAILING.

pinkylovely:
I remember going out with a sister who met an Olumba woman who had lost her sister in death. The sister had the guts to open scriptures, comforting her that she'll see her sister again. Yeah??! This same sister that was also part of the Olumba denomination and held notable positions there. This same sister that wasn't doing what the denomination will approve as being worthy for resurrection??! Why the stupid lie??

Acts 24:15 knock sense into you but you are just very empty , just deceiving yourself & WAILING

pinkylovely:
I'll leave when it's time to leave. And trust me, I won't feel any regret for having to leave a denomination as blind as it is. My aim is to get to know God for who he really is and not just subscribe to a denomination's idea of what spirituality is all about (attending meetings, answering questions in meetings, coming out for field service). People do all of these, yet do rubbish when in secret.

Funny enough, same elders who set up judicial committee for wrong doers do thesame thing. The only problem be sey, e never reach time to catch them.

Continue with your eye service applauded by WAILERS, you dey do yourself.

Without a deep, close personal relationship with Jehovah God and His Son Jesus Christ, you are just going through the motions until small breeze go blow & you fall yakata like the WAILERS on this thread.
This one think say to worship Jehovah nah just to go kingdom hall every week,give comments for meetings plus go preaching.

Faithless shudren without love for Jehovah God and accurate knowledge of God and his Son Jesus Christ.

As 1 John 5:3 & John 17:3 dey sweet us JWs nah so e dey pain dem WAILERS typing GIBBERISH

Steep:
Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

The Lord was distinguish from his Spirit both send someone.

Steep:
The Hily Spirit is God, he is a person,
Jesus is the word of the Son he is a person and he is God
And The father is a person and he is God.
This is the Trinity.

Steep:
But Jesus is God John 1 vv1

Steep:
The holy Spirit has a mind of his own

Romans 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God..

elated177:
El Elohe Yahshrael!


Joshua 5: 13 Now when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua went up to him and asked, “Are you for us or for our enemies?”

14 “Neither,” he replied, “but as commander of the army of YHVH I have now come.” Then Joshua fell facedown to the ground in reverence, and asked him, “What message does my Lord have for his servant?”

15 The commander of YHVH’s army replied, “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy.” And Joshua did so.


El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu YAH!

chisomkachy:
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France leads at HT.

OLAADEGBU:
And He saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, ort to do evil? To save life, or to kill? But they held their peace (Mark 3:4).

Compare the authorised version with your satanic one and see the difference.

Courz:
Ask this Igbo smoker Janosky why this Bible verse with the phrase underlined exists in his Bible yet they teach something else in their Kingdom hall as the Antichrists that they are. Instead of answering you, he will go and smoke another joint of Igbo then reply with the words IBERIBEISM and Gibberish all over his comment. You will be doubting that you are chatting with a human.

Desperate attempt to divert attention because his IBERIBEISM was illuminated on this forum

Ken4Christ:
Apostle Paul said those who are in Christ and alive at the time Christ comes will all be caught up in the air - 1st Thessalonians 4:13-16.

Courz:
At the bolded, that was exactly what a JW told me. He said the Great Crowd are the angels that is why they are many in number. First, he started with A Great crowd is different from The Great Crowd. I said, but A Great crowd is what is mentioned in the verses JWs like to quote in Revelation 7 vs 9 and that is where JWs got The Great Crowd from showing that they are the same. Okay, Show me the differences in the Bible. When he saw that logic didn't work for him, He then lied that he didn't mean that they are different then jumped to Great crowd being Angels. Changing tune. I asked him, does that mean that one of the 24 Elders lied to John in the The book of Revelations, that a Great crowd are actually the people from all corners of the earth that survived the Great Tribulation? He couldn't answer. Okay, show me where a Great Crowd were specifically identified as Angels. He kept mute. I asked him, does that mean the Angels are humans now who were on the earth and went through the Great Tribulation on earth? If all the Angels are on earth, it means they are humans. Which one will be in Heaven? Does that mean there are two separate Great crowds? Does that mean that anywhere you see angels mentioned, it means a Great Crowd? He couldn't say anything. I showed him verses where a Great crowd and angels are mentioned at the same time in the same chapter. I asked him, why are they both mentioned if they are the same? He then ran away with a speed of light.

This proved to me that in order for JWs to defend their doctrines, they need to lie and formulate their own beliefs and fantasies separate from the Bible.

I don't know how Watchtower interprets the verse of the Great Crowd standing in front of the Throne and the lamb as they being on earth. Thank God other translations plainly say In front of the Throne and the Lamb. Another JW was trying to redefine what that means When it is very clear that the Bible is written in simple English. I asked him, If someone is standing in front of you, where is the person? He went into robotic mode and was blabbing rubbish. I kept repeating it again and again, he ran away. But lo and behold, Revelation 19 vs 1 says that the Great crowd are in Heaven right there in their Bible. Isn't it wonderful how simple English can make JWs look stupid? So, no matter how they try to twist the meaning of words, this verse has already trashed their doctrine to nothing. I also noticed that Watchtower never quotes this particular verse and it is obvious why. This is how you know that this Cult is a Fraud.

Courz IBERIBEIST TWISTING & LYING didn't begin today.

There are great crowd of myriads of heavenly spirits giving worship and glory to the God Almighty, Revelation 19:1 & Psalm 89:5-7, spirits in heaven.

Great crowd of Revelation 7:14 are humans "out of every tribe, nations and languages of the earth."
You empty IBERIBEISTS,carry your GIBBERISH outta this thread.

Courz:
Janosky with your Maggot infested brain, try to stop smoking that igbo that makes you type rubbish without reading the comment you are quoting. You are mentally diseased! Look at the Bible verses below. It is actually John in the book of Revelations that was in the Spirit. I am sure your eyes will see double and you will become more confused seeing these verses since you JWs hardly read them. You only read verses that Watchtower dictates to you. Satan's Witnesses.

OgaNightmare:
In [the] spirit "(pneumati [Koine Greek])
Courz no need wasting your time, he will still continue to fool himself with useless screenshots.
He's more of a bot....... according to his logic John was transformed to an immaterial being.

LYING IBERIBEISTS,@ 1 Peter 3:18 was Jesus given a vision of heaven?

This DUBIOUS IBERIBEISTS, where is Greek 2227 "Made Alive" in your quote of Revelation 4:4?

Did your own Revelation 4:4 said "John was put to death in the flesh" Greek 2289?

This Silly Oga,@ Revelation 4:4,why would John be a spirit in heaven when he was not put to death in the flesh?



Revelation 4:4, John was given a vision of heaven as if he was there, the same manner as if "you are there " in the crowd viewing live EPL match.
These empty dimwits exposing their IBERIBEISM .

Courz:
Don't bother yourself. Many JWs that woke up, did it on their own. As a PIMO, you will have to play along until you have gotten some measure of independence. Many PIMOs fade better into oblivion once they move or change location. Just play along but do it to the barest minimum. You are not alone. PIMOs plenty.

Another Coward living in pretences like those atheists whose monikers begin with "A" & O"

Courz:
JWs are under Serious Spiritual manipulation from demons that Watchtower communicate with. That's why they cannot understand many Bible verses and refuse to accept verses that contradict their doctrines.

Sifia pained LYING IBERIBEIST, Genesis 18:2-3 & Hebrews 13:2 as well as Luke 24:4, 23 & 1 Peter 3:18 PROVEN JWs are correct.
Your Bible says angels were called men in the same chapter 24 of Luke's gospel.
Delete am from your Bible, that verse is causing you sifia pains.

Courz:
Janosky with your Maggot infested brain, Answer these questions below:

If Jesus was not resurrected with his physical body, why did He ask Thomas to touch his hands and feet still having the holes made by the nails used to crucify him? Why did Jesus tell the Jewish Leaders that they should destroy his body and in 3 days he will raise it up if he is not meant to be resurrected with the physical body? Why did Jesus tell Thomas that he is not a Spirit but has Flesh and bones in the verses below? You JWs are not answering these important questions.

Genesis 18:2-3 & Hebrews 13:2 reset your IBERIBEISM.

Jesus Christ made alive in the spirit realm (PROVEN by Peter his apostle) was right to speak the words @ Luke 24:39 as your own Bible spoke the words at
Genesis 18:2-3,Mark 16:5, Luke 24:4,23.

Why did your own Bible say spirits were called men?
Answer this question.

OgaNightmare:
So "Jesus body" was the sin?
We're getting somewhere, I like this confabs