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KNOWMORE56:
Worship can mean homage and homage can mean worship....

KNOWMORE56:
The Word Only =TWO (the 2nd person in the Godhead) ... if you count from the Father He's number 2; if you count from the Holy Spirit He remains number 2!

The Word ONLY... not the word and the GB...
The Word ONLY... not the word and the GO/GS/pope...


1×1×1=1✓
1+1+1=1x

Father ,Son and Holy Spirit = One✓

*. John 10 :30 "KJV:I and my Father are one."

KNOWMORE56:
You are pointing to Jesus as human being:

1. John 1:30 "KJV:This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me."

2. John 4:29 "KJV:Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?"

3. John 6:52 "KJV:The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"

4. John 7:12 "KJV:And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man : others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people."

5. John 8:40 "KJV:But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham."

6. 1 Corinthians 15: 47 "KJV:The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven."

7. 1 Timothy 2:5 "KJV:For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus ;"

8. Acts 2:22 "KJV:Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:"

KNOWMORE56:
Jesus is God blessed forever!

*. Acts 10:36 "KJV:The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all: )"

*. Romans 9:5 "KJV:Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever . Amen."

Emusan:
Lying liar!

If Proverb 8 says 27 I was there when the Lord put the heavens in place and stretched the sky over the surface of the sea. 28 I was with him when he placed the clouds in the sky and created the springs that fill the ocean. 29 I was there when he set boundaries for the sea to make it obey him, and when he laid foundations to support the earth.

It's evident from this passage that the SPEAKER is different from the one who actually performing the action.

So if you're using Proverbs to proof Jesus creation then, it means Jesus never claimed to be used in the act of creation rather the [b]"He" does it.[/b]

Sifia pains of a LIENUS
Emusan LIENUS pretends as if verse 30 is not in his Bible

Proverbs 8:30
I was a skilled craftsman beside Him. I was His delight every day, always rejoicing before Him

Emusan:
I remembered this same moniker once asked who is the "I" and "HE" in that proverbs which non of you could answer simply because it against your lying lips.

Emusan must reproduce the evidence for his claims ("which non of you could answer".
Bros , do the needful, let's see he's not LYING.
The ball is rolling in his court.

petra1:
what about the elect lady john wrote to. There are indication she was a pastor

2 John 1:1 (KJV)
​1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;

Emusan:
Lying liar!

If Proverb 8 says 27 I was there when the Lord put the heavens in place and stretched the sky over the surface of the sea. 28 I was with him when he placed the clouds in the sky and created the springs that fill the ocean. 29 I was there when he set boundaries for the sea to make it obey him, and when he laid foundations to support the earth.

Emusan:
It's evident from this passage that the SPEAKER is different from the one who actually performing the action.

So if you're using Proverbs to proof Jesus creation then, it means Jesus never claimed to be used in the act of creation rather the "He" does it.

Emusan:
If you're not diverting attention and you not lacking scriptural understanding, you'll know proverbs 8:22-30 is actually exposing your lying mouth.

I remembered this same moniker once asked who is the "I" and "HE" in that proverbs which non of you could answer simply because it against your lying lips.

Emusan:
At least the evidence is that Trinity predated Constantine which your lying organization always propagated.

And if this people who lived close to the time of Jesus can say the early Christians worshipped Jesus along side of Father, is it your lying organization who came thousand years after the scene we should believe?

Mr JaNosense the lying liar JWs like his father the devil.

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Despite the fact that you quoted Mounce Greek where it's written boldly "CRUCIFY HIM" you can still be calling it as your witness

When you know the word CRUCIFY was derived from CRUX

Secular history indeed!

can you provide the secular history that says Roman Empire killed anyone ON A STAKE?

Reason why the lying liar couldn't answer my questions.

Here are they again:
1. Who killed Jesus? Jews or Roman?
2. Has Roman ever killed anyone on pole or stake? Provide the evidence.

Even the Deu 21:22 you always run to doesn't favour you, I'll expose your ignorance on this if you try to say nonsense on this.

Lastly, even the Jews never used crucifixion as capital punishment. The Jews only have four capital punishments: stoning, burning, decapitation, and strangulation.

So how can Jesus be killed on a pole when neither the Jews and Romans used pole to kill anyone

Enjoy your delusion and lies

#1
Mumu WAILER making FALSE claims
Is Greek stauros a traverse beam ?

Complete Jewish Bible says no !
Secular history from BBC/Washington Post & Greek literary works of Homer et all says no !

Emusan no get SENSE

KNOWMORE56:

"..."HE" references God the Father & CREATOR OF the person personified as "Wisdom."

Ok. To me now...

Watch Tower: only Jesus is what the Father used His hand to create; all other things were then created by/through Jesus...

Janosky : the Father created other things... Proverbs 8:26-28

You and the 8 men have a talk to settle...

Bishopkingsley:
Stop acting like a cult when you write a verse state what it says so people will see you are talking what makes sense

Bishop, continue LYING.
The ink of your LYING is still fresh in this thread.

The screenshot and scriptures confirm that.
Luke 11:20 & Matthew 12:28 holy spirit is God's finger, according to Jesus Christ

KNOWMORE56:
This your explanations..., is it taken from the Word or from Watch Tower?

Because the Word reveals something like OF HIM, Jesus ( i.e His resources) FOR HIM ( He's the Owner of the things created):

*. Colossians 1:16 "KJV:For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: "

*. Romans 11:36 "KJV:For OF HIM, and THROUGH HIM, and TO HIM, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Glory be to Jesus for ever and ever. Amen!

2.
Romans 11:33,35-36 refers to God his Father.

Romans 11:33
"Oh, how great are God’s riches and wisdom and knowledge! How impossible it is for us to understand his decisions and his ways!

Romans 11:35-36
And who has given him so much that he needs to pay it back? For everything comes from him and exists by his power and is intended for his glory. All glory to him forever! Amen"

1 Corinthians 8:6= Romans 11:36 & John 17:7
" Everything comes from God" his Father.
John 17:7 Jesus Christ confess it!

Bishopkingsley:
[s]Until you understand how God created you then you can easily understand how God is without stress[/s]

MightySparrow:
I was watching a YouTube in which the presenter was talking about the subject matter. Is it scriptural for a woman to co - pastor with her husband? The new trend is found all over the Christian world.

DappaD:
I once saw a DL member on Nairaland wailing why Kumuyi has been mixing their religion with ‘worldly’ people i.e. pastors of other churches and politicians.

So false religion can put up a pretense for a while but when the dust clears, it will still remain false religion. Revelation 17:5, 18:2-4

Bishopkingsley:
My beloved brother this is not finger of God this is the spirit of God his name is the holy spirit

[s]God is in three dimensions just like he created man in three dimensions

Until you understand this truth before you can know how God functions

God did not create Jesus because Jesus is already God[/s]

Bishopkingsley:
[s]As long as you don't understand who you are you can't understand God[/s]

achorladey:
Maybe you should add this to the question above.

1. What is the difference or similarity between "ALL THINGS" and ALL OTHER THINGS" as captured in their NWT

2. What is the difference between not one thing came into existence and by means of him all other things were made to exist



John 1: 3 All thingscame into existence through him,+ and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.

and

Colossians 1: 16,17 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,+ whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him+ and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things+ and by means of [/b]him all other things were made to exist,

[b] Colossians 1:16-17, John 1:3, 1 Cor 8:6, Greek Dia, "by means of"/through him"

Bill Mounce your Trinity mentor proven Jesus is the instrumentality/Medium/Agency for Creation.
Jesus is NOT the Creator.
God his Father is the Creator,1Corinthians 8:6 confirmed

Bishopkingsley:
Until you understand who you are before you can understand God

You are not only a body

You are soul, body, spirit

If you don't understand this you won't understand who created you and said you are his image

mastermaestro:
I have faced exactly what the dude is currently going through. I mean the diffidence part of it. Too much reading has a way of disconnecting one from real people. Reading is good for learning, but certainly not for solving shyness and confidence issues.

Dude needs to go out and mingle with real people. The most shy and depressed people are actually those who spend most of their time reading endlessly. Books cure ignorance. But books don't improve social life. In fact, the more you read, the more introverted you become. The more separated you are from your real surrounding.
You guys should just leave book matter out of this unless you want to plunge the young man further into his miserable solitary living.

Mind you I still love reading, but now with commonsense. Let him go out and explore his world! Now is not the time for any book! He needs practical face to face interactions! He doesn't need some book illusions! Enough of this isolated living!

mastermaestro:
Who are these ignorant people telling this guy to read books? You guys sincerely lack the commonsense to solve his problem.
Let me tell you something. Too much reading actually drives you away from the real world. I am speaking from firsthand experience here. So don't say shit!

Op needs to go out and socialize. Simple! Stroll around your area and locate where guys gather to play football especially weekends. Take yourself out for some swimming enjoyment.

Become active in a youth group in church. In fact this is one place where your shyness will be cured! I am not talking about attending church services only. I am talking about youth groups involving music since you like music. There you will meet people who will pull you out of your shell.

Sincerely you need a sanguine sister. She will do a good job breaking your shackles of shyness.

Breeze111:
I done Come again, this guy confuse need our help.
Omo today eehh, me and my dad exchanged real blow of which I burst his mouth. See eeh my dad they mess up die. The up-keeping of our house is being done by our mum alone right from when we were kids. All my dad those is to drink and womanise. (I wonder how those girls they even green for am with he koboles pocket) .
So this afternoon I was inside my room with my headset on my ear watching movie but still I was hearing some shout so I just conclude maybe is my parent usual wahala not on till I began to notice that my door is being bang so I decide to open and I saw my elder sister shouting Daddy has done the worst today, so I said to her is there anything new that Man has not done and she say they caught him having sex with madam saloon inside mummy room. Jesus my head won burst I rush to my mum room, I saw my mum crying while madam saloon knelt down saying na devil work with her fallen breast and my dad just sat there with his boxer saying and so, his my house I can marry more than one wife. Kai I no fit hold myself again, that was how I rush him, We exchange some blows and he started bleeding. So he has being calling all our relatives that I beat him. they say, they going to have meeting in our house tomorrow that I must apologise.
To God I can never apologise to that big for nothing man that called himself my dad. Just confuse and depressed, only son my head choke and am so afraid not to end up like him.

Solofresh2:
Hello fellow Nairalanders,
Please I need your advice on this.I find it hard to express myself to people because of been rejected by them
I find it hard to express myself because of being criticized
I find it hard to express myself even at my place of work because of being sacked going back to square one
There are somethings I don't voluntrily want to do when people ask me to do then but I can't say no because I don't want to look bad
I lack self confidence too
I really need help because deep down I hate it when I can't express my feelings to people
Have been pretending to enjoy pain and stress since I was born and now am 21 years of age,no school,no handwork, always feeling shy but I have one talent which is music but I don't know how to go about it and I don't want to see sucide as an option
I blame my parents for this things because when I was small, they don't allow me to go out and experience life
As I write about this now,I feed myself and instead of them to give me, they are always demanding from me
I don't even know where to start from
Am tired of this goddamn world!

freshboi88:
Bros that one nah old story o. Y u dey jump like say u no see wetin dey onboard. No deviation....make Una answer

NWT

13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth+ and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne+ and to the Lamb+ be the blessing and the honor+ and the glory and the might forever and ever.”+ 14 The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshipped.

1. Why is Jesus not part of every creation ?

2. Why is Jesus on the side of the creator, receiving the same honor, praise, glory, blessing that is given to Jehovah ?

Iyasaburi:
Please always post the scriptures you intended in full not just chapter and verses. I don't have the Bible in my head.

Emusan:
Why do you disobey Jehovah when he says you should serve even Jesus?

AntiChristian:
When did every knee bow? When will every knew bow?
When will every tongue confess that Jesus is Kyrios?

Emusan:
Says the ignorance who doesn't know Trinity has been around before 5th century



50 AD The Huleatt Manuscript
74AD The Letter of Barnabas
80AD Herman
140AD Aristides
150AD Justin Martyr
150AD Polycarp of Smyrna
160AD Mathetes
170AD Tatian the Syrian
177AD Athenagoras
177AD Melito of Sardis
180AD Theophilus of Antioch
180AD Ireneaus
190AD Clement of Alexandria

To list few who taught and wrote about early Christians belief in Trinity.


The same lie your organization propagated in their publication "Should you believe in Trinity?" before it was taken down because of people's reaction.

I thought since your light is brighter than them you should know better but alas you people still stuck in the same old light



History will cure your ignorance when you know the teaching of Trinity predated Constantine

Just as The book Crucifixion—The Archaeological Evidence: By Vassilios Tzaferis exposes the lie of your organization that Jesus died on a STAKE when in history neither Jews nor Roman who crucified Jesus ever used pole to crucify anyone.

AD , many years after Jesus died and his apostles were no more
How many centuries did it take your Trinitarian mentors to formulate the GIBBERISH DECEIVING you?

Bishopkingsley:
Your father bears son too because your grand father calls him son but that does not mean he is not your father
Have you forgotten Jesus is called everlasting father too

achorladey:
Some of their books that members will use as reference when making presentations after the presentation that particular member will be called back and corrected for using such reference.

Na when dey know the book contains what they cannot defend they recall them quick quick and some destroyed paapaa.

How many centuries did it take your Trinitarian mentors to formulate the GIBBERISH DECEIVING you?

Achorladey brain no dey where God put am.
Bros, Know this & calm down.

KNOWMORE56:
Talking about worship...
Jesus was worshiped...
Jesus is being worshiped... and
Jesus will be worshiped forever and ever:


10. FATHER/SON WAS/IS BEING/ SHALL BE WORSHIPED:

https://www.nairaland.com/5745609/trinity-explained/3#89854889:

*. Matthew 2:11"KJV:And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and FELL DOWN, and WORSHIPPED HIM : and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh. (i.e the Son)
Genesis 24:26 "KJV:And the man BOWED DOWN his head, and WORSHIPPED the LORD . (i.e the Father)

KNOWMORE56:
*. Revelation 4:10-11 "KJV: The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
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KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. (i.e the Son)
*.

KNOWMORE56:
*. Revelation 7:11 "KJV:And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and FELL before the throne on their faces, and WORSHIPPED God , (i.e the Father)

KNOWMORE56:
*. Hebrews 1:6 "KJV:And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the ANGELS of God WORSHIP HIM. (i.e the Son).

KNOWMORE56:
In the New Testament, SERVE GOD has the same meaning with worship God:

https://www.nairaland.com/6404492/characteristics-true-god#98905763.

*. Matthew 4:10 kjV:Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt WORSHIP the LORD thy GOD, AND HIM ONLY SHALT THOU SERVE . (i.e the Father);

*. John 12:26 "KJV: If any MAN SERVE ME, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any MAN SERVE ME, him will my Father honour ...(i.e the Son);

*. Luke 1: 74 "KJV:That he would grant unto us, that WE BEING DELIVERED out of the hand of our enemies MIGHT SERVE HIM WITHOUT FEAR ," (i.e the Son);

*. Acts 7:7 "KKJV: And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said God: and after that shall they come forth, and SERVE ME IN THIS PLACE. "(i.e the Father).

NOTE, He (Jesus) said ONLY the Lord your God you will serve,
consider the emphasis on the word ONLY, i.e no other one should be served.

He then said all the people serving Him (Jesus) the Father will honour them.

If anyone serves Jesus, he's not serving idol. And they are not serving another God...

He didn't use the word God in that place but Father.

Because He (Jesus) had assumed His office as God in that verse.

He said ONLY God you have to serve, and said afterward SERVE ME.

In other words He is saying I AM THE LORD THY GOD whom only you shall serve....

*. Deuteronomy 6:13 "KJV: Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God, and SERVE HIM , and shalt swear by his name.
(i.e the Father).

*. Psalms 96:6 "KJV: O WORSHIP THE LORD in the beauty of holiness : fear before him, all the earth. (i.e the Father)

Matthew 20:28 , emphasis on "SERVE"
KNOWMORE56 says Jesus worships men
Bros, the Greek words "SERVE" @ John 12:26 & Matthew 20:28 mean the same thing.
DON'T DECEIVE yourself.

"SERVE" @ Matthew 4:10 & Acts 7:7 refers to the same thing.
There are 2 different Greek words translated as "SERVE" in English @ Matthew 4:10 & John 12:26 have different meaning.
Bros, pls go & confirm.
Don't post FALSE claims.

Hismasterpiece:
Since you want to talk about equality let me show you a scripture that says Jesus is equal with God but when He came to earth He willingly set His equality with God aside -

Nkjv -
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
Php 2:6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
Php 2:7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
Php 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

Nlt -
Php 2:5 Your attitude should be the same that Christ Jesus had.
Php 2:6 Though he was God, he did not demand and cling to his rights as God.
Php 2:7 He made himself nothing; he took the humble position of a slave and appeared in human form.
Php 2:8 And in human form he obediently humbled himself even further by dying a criminal's death on a cross.

What will your response be to this scripture, i wonder....

Your quote of Phillipians 2:6 is NOT in any Greek manuscript.
Read the bill Mounce Greek interlinear.
(Screenshot , compare & contrast with your own KJV ,NLT versions).
Bill Mounce Greek Bible scholar, is a Trinitarian.

Your Trinitarian mentors twisted that verse for their own whim.

AntiChristian:
Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name above all names, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (Kyrios), to the glory of God (Theou) the Father.
Philippians 2:9-11

Will this happen in the future or it is happening at the moment?

Every knee can never bow at the mention of Jesus's name!

And every tongue will never confess that Jesus is Lord!

freshboi88:
You are tap dancing like your father the devil.

If col 1:15 is your reference to Jesus been created. Then straighten out Rev 5: 13-14 for us now.

Your teaching and your Bible are is giving each other smack down wrestle mania
Rev 5 13-14

Every creature in heaven, earth, sea, under the earth worship, praise, honor, glorify Jehovah and Jesus.

1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature

2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receives.

[s]Your duty to tell us why your NWT is contradicting itself. Cos I ma quoting your own scripture[/s]