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freshboi88:
You people are wasting your time trying to reason with these JW guys. They are taught never to accept anything u guys say......

They have been brainwashed. Talking to them is like talking to a boko haram.

When u want to witness to them to make dem know that they are worshipping a false Jehovah, because the real Jehovah is a triune God, you ask them questions that their doctrine cannot answer.

Nd u pick those verses from the their new world translation.

An example verse is Rev 5:13-14. When u ask them questions on this verses. They will do only three things as we all saw when I was debating them

1. Quote scriptures that don't correspond to the verse.... In this case ask them to stick to the verse

2. Give ridiculous answers like when one of them was trying to change the verse saying it wasnt referring to all creatures but only intelligent creatures......clearly that's not in the verse

3. Run away battered n severed.

When u have done this allow God do the rest


Now that's how to witness to a JW

KNOWMORE56:


No one knows the day this means the Father also doesn't know....

Mathew 24:36 "KJV:But of that day and hour knoweth no man , no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Bishopkingsley:
JW tell me which line of thought do Christians follow the Bible own or the GB own

Bishopkingsley:
Peter declared war on all forms of Judaism (Acts 3:11-26), declaring at the entrance to the temple that only Messianic Judaism had the true interpretation of the OT scrolls with Jesus as the Jewish Messiah.

He declared Jesus was the only NAME by which people can be saved. To the Jewish leaders (Sanhedrin), Yahweh Jehovah YHVH was the only NAME. So Peter is attributing divinity to Jesus (blasphemy in their minds).
So Peter was actually saying is Jesus is God Almighty because only Jehovah can save.

This is reminiscent of John 10 where on Chanukah (Feast of Dedication) Jesus declares the same thing. Peter further promised to disobey them about preaching what they considered to be blasphemy and heresy.

The early group of believers now had targets on their backs and had to group together in survival mode and pool their resources together because they rebelled against the old testament by saying Jesus is the Savior

The book of acts showed God's hand was truly on this Christians, the Messianic Jewish resistance movement and after Acts 10 the Gentiles even became partakers of the rich olive tree (Rom 11).

So your line of thought in JW is not in line with the Apostles because all the Apostle say Jesus is our Savior while you refuse to acknowledge Jesus

MaxInDHouse:
Common sense is enough to know that if something is written and there's no one who can READ it, definitely it's a message for anybody but not the writer!

So whoever is able to read it couldn't have been the writer because he is also included among the beneficiaries of the message!

Bishopkingsley:
The person or their mouth piece is always saying wrong things without reading Bible very well lol

KNOWMORE56:
I think you meant to say these verses are mistakes. See them again:


The word opposite of begotten son is adopted son .

This should give us a clear understanding of the area this [b] BEGOTTEN SON is going - it's in regards to the salvation plans for humanity;[/b] all other saved human beings are ADOPTED SONS :

Jesus is the only begotten son :

*. John 3 16 "KJV:For God so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON , that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

ONLY means NO OTHER one!
others are adopted sons :

*. Romans 8:15 "KJV:For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of ADOPTION, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

*. Romans 8:23 "KJV:And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the ADOPTION , to wit, the redemption of our body ."

*. Romans 9:4 "KJV:Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the ADOPTION , and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;"

". Galatians 4:5 "KJV:To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the ADOPTION of sons . "

*. Ephesians 1:5 "KJV: Having predestinated us unto the ADOPTION of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,"

John 3:16 "KJV:For God so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON"

Jesus is the Father's only begotten son in the spiritual realm before the Father gave his son to the world. John 8:38.
Receive SENSE & cure your Trinitarian DELUSION.

The First born of every creature is the only begotten son, the first creature of God his Father

You understand the difference between begotten son and adopted son, yet you carry your Trinitarian DELUSION like gala.
Point of Emphasis:
Every begotten son is a direct offspring of his Father. Jesus is a direct offspring of God his Father.
All other sons came after Jesus Christ.
Bros help yourself.
Cure your DELUSION.

MightySparrow:
Are you now in the position of Jesus?

If not are you afraid of truth?

MightySparrow:
#1
No one denomination claims to be perfect other than JWs. When cornered, you change the goal post. Why don't you answer questions directly?

Which denomination brags the most on Nairaland? In your Watchtower, it about self gratification, condemning Christians dead or alive who had laboured and kept the faith. Some died defending their faith. Yours is a gospel of condemnation , making yourselves judges

You are simply deluded. Wake up!

MightySparrow:
Never, I put questions for anyone to contribute. I have always believe and maintains my stand that JWs do not understand Christianity. No matter how many billions you spend on publications[b]. Most people I have had discussions with are not sincere when confronted with questions. The same with MaxInDHouse, he dodges questions or not definite in given answers. I am not so bothered, I have met quite a number of you[/b].
The best answer I have got this far is ' New Light.' How many people have been misled by old light? Keep your knowledge to yourselves.

In your own Bible, did Jesus Christ answer every question he was asked?

MightySparrow:
JWs hasn't anything to teach me. The get confused and go into charms. If your God is not sufficient, how do you claim to have faith. If your members male and female abscond from marriages, how do you convince me of sanctity of marriage? I see hypocrisy in your claims. Not to talk of doctrines your GB subtly abandoned.
Your problem is laziness to probe to your past. You are blind followers of confused people.

Sparrow, you are DECEIVING yourself

If not,your Pastorpreneurs appointment of their wives as business co- partners wouldn't confuse you to elicit responses on a public forum.

We know our past, it is not picture perfect.
In your own Bible ,none of Jehovah's servant is perfect.
Jehovah God abandoned His doctrine of animals sacrifices in your own Bible.

Jehovah abandoned His doctrine of Jews as His only chosen servants.
Bros, what's your problem?

Bros, your PFN Pastorpreneurs recently married an adulterous woman & some of them seduce married women living outside their matrimonial homes with pastorship positions in some of their business franchises.
Some of them are famous for brolosho activities.
2 Timothy 3:5-7.

Bros, go & clean up the pollution in your midst before you can see the specks of JWs.

Nancy2020:
MaxInDHouse you know that you are demon possessed.
You are so caught up with Bishopkingsley.
He literally has taken hold of your mind.
You can't live without him.
Ask yourself why you are so consumed on him that any one who rise up against you you tag him Bishopkingsley.
He lives in your mind so continue to focus on him. One thing is for sure you will receive my abuse in your soul.
As long as you put me in your list.


Demon cult dead MaxInDHouse.

MightySparrow:
I laugh in JW' s paradise's language. You JWs are a joke, worse than Islamic Fundamentalists. The kind of things your governing board members put into your heads are weird. I watched Stephen Lett's teaching on Apostates, I think last week. You guys are deluded.


He was talking about how God would destroy all others but JWs!

Hahahaha
Heheheheeeeeeee

You are very deluded, 2 Chronicles 7:14, Acts 15:14,17, Matthew 12:15-18 & John 9:4 is the proof.

The other mumu WAILER forgot he told this forum that "Noah was saved through a channel."

KNOWMORE56:
Since He is the only Being created by the Father, and the speaker in Proverbs 8 says:

Proverbs 8:26 "KJV: While as yet he had not made the earth [b], nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27
KJV: When [b] he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28
KJV: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29
KJV: When he gave to the sea his decree, [b/] that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Who is this He, is it Jesus speaking of the Father or another being speaking of Jesus, "the creator of all other things"?



What this your answer means is:

While as yet He (the Father) had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27
KJV: When He (the Father) prepared the heavens, I (Jesus) was there:

When He (the Father) prepared the heavens, I (Jesus) was there:

[b]according to Janosky the Father was working and Jesus was watching!

Do you understand?

Does KNOWMORE56 understand Proverbs 8:30 ( in Screenshots)?
Shebi Proverbs 8:22,30 is missing in your Bible?

Bros, you have proven you're wedded to FALSEHOOD & Delusion.
Cherry picker, your own Bible ends at Verse 27

KNOWMORE56:
"...You've proven here that YAHWEH didn't use another creature to help Him rather YAHWEH ONLY created ALL THINGS BY HIMSELF..."

I doubt if he is aware of it...

Hebrews 1:2 "God MADE the universe
Through His son."


I designed a motor car and built the components and I employed you,my son, to assemble it.

4 questions for KNOWMORE56:
who made the motor car?
who owns the motor car?

Hebrews 1:2
God made what?
Through whom?

KNOWMORE56 knows GIBBERISH

livingchrist:
1 col 2:9 said Jesus has the full theotes, which is God's divine nature [what makes God God]

Emusan:
[s]Lying liar, you can do that.

Your lying mouth is always exposed.
[/s]

Let [b]"US" create man in "OUR" image.

Was Jesus among that US & OUR? [s]lying liar JWs like his father the devil
[/s]

Emusan:
This is from the translation you quoted
"and THEY brought him up CLOSE before that One..."[/b]

Here are my questions again!

So who are the "THEY" that brought Jesus CLOSE to Jehovah?Isn't Jesus the ONLY ONE WITH THE FATHER?

Emusan:
Why must Jesus be brought to Jehovah when is the very One who close to Jehovah most?

Wahala for the brainwashed JWs.

Wahala for Trinity GIBBERISH.
Questions for Emusan:
#1
Since it's only your 3 co equal Gods together.
Why is your oly ghost not close to JEHOVAH?

#2
Why must Jesus be brought to JEHOVAH when your Jesus is co equal to JEHOVAH?

#3
Job 2:1, Job 1:6,Job 38:7 is the only true God Jehovah living alone in heaven with his 2 co equal Gods?

Emusan:
#1
At least the evidence is that Trinity predated Constantine which your lying organization always propagated.
D

Emusan:
#2
And if this people who lived close to the time of Jesus can say the early Christians worshipped Jesus along side of Father, is it your lying organization who came thousand years after the scene we should believe?

Mr JaNosense the lying liar JWs like his father the devil.

Emusan:
Emusan LIENUS is a Polytheist worshipping "THEY", 3 pagan deities.

Despite the fact that you quoted Mounce Greek where it's written boldly "CRUCIFY HIM" you can still be calling it as your witness

When you know the word CRUCIFY was derived from CRUX

Secular history indeed!

Emusan:
can you provide the secular history that says Roman Empire killed anyone ON A STAKE?

Emusan read BBC News/ Washington Post screenshot proven the instrument of Jesus death was NEVER known as cross

Emusan:
Reason why the lying liar couldn't answer my questions.

Here are they again:
1. Who killed Jesus? Jews or Roman?

Emusan:
2. Has Roman ever killed anyone on pole or stake? Provide the evidence.

Emusan:
Even the Deu 21:22 you always run to doesn't favour you, I'll expose your ignorance on this if you try to say nonsense on this.

Lastly, even the Jews never used crucifixion as capital punishment. The Jews only have four capital punishments: stoning, burning, decapitation, and strangulation.

So how can Jesus be killed on a pole when neither the Jews and Romans used pole to kill anyone

Enjoy your delusion and lies

Emusan LIENUS is confused & wedded to FALSEHOOD.
Joshua 10:26 = Deuteronomy 21:21-23
Joshua impaled the king of Ai on a Pole.
Joshua also impaled 5 kings on a Pole.
(Screenshot evidences)
Emusan LIENUS shame on you !!

MightySparrow:
Ministering from their belongings is not different from that of Dorcas. So no clear cut evidence that they preached. We are even talking of co - pastoring. It depends on what you think, no one ever heard of Mrs Kumuyi before her death. Co - pastoring may not necessarily preaching or teaching. It could be in charge of taking care of children, guests, encouraging women, praying with pregnant women etc. In the time of the apostles,, people like Timothy, Titus, if married would not have been the only ones doing everything without their wives. I wouldn't know if the Pastors in your own organisation don't involve their wives in their ministries anyhow.

Barristter07:
Very incoherent
Greek Morphe ( outward appearance ) appear at Philippians 2 , Yes ?

livingchrist:
so when God created Adam without sin, he only created an appearance? Lol
Follow your logic, Adam was only an appearance not a real human being since God created him without sin.


You are not well! Lol you dont know form is the same as nature.
Hebrews 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.






the image below reveals with form meant to the Greeks the current meaning of form of just outer appearance.







since you lack a rebuttal, it is expected.
Meanwhile do well to supply answers to the questions asked.

Emusan:
At least all you've proven for us here is that YAHWEH first created Wisdom and continue to carry out the remaining CREATIONS by Himself Isaiah 44:24 not through another agent

Severe pain for the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil the great JaNosense

Hismasterpiece:
Bro you didn't respond to my mention above

Emusan:
[s]Wahala for the this 8 men worshipper
[/s]
The craftsman man is ETERNAL WISDOM of Yahweh

The skilled craftsman is eternal Wisdom of Yahweh

The skilled craftsman was brought forth by YAHWEH for the purpose of creation.

Emusan:
Then the HE is the one who carried out the creations as those verses stated, not that another being.

Emusan:
#1
Now that you agreed that the wisdom is another being different from Jehovah,
[s]then that Being must be God because according to the same Proverbs 8:14-16 "Counsel and sound judgment are mine; I have insight, I have power. 15 By me kings reign and rulers issue decrees that are just; 16 by me princes govern, and nobles—all who rule on earth.[/s]

You'll never receive sense JaNosense.


#2
You've proven here that YAHWEH didn't use another creature to help Him rather YAHWEH ONLY created ALL THINGS BY HIMSELF as Proverbs 8:26-27 & Isaiah 44:24 clearly stated.
Severe pain for the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil the great JaNosense himself.

Emusan:
If they're being truthful to themselves, that verse should have read "Jehovah" but alas they know the implication, so they won't try that.
.

Emusan:
Then the HE is the one who carried out the creations as those verses stated, not that another being.


You've proven here that YAHWEH didn't use another creature to help Him rather YAHWEH ONLY created ALL THINGS BY HIMSELF as Proverbs 8:26-27 & Isaiah 44:24 clearly stated.

Severe pain for the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil the great JaNosense himself.

Emusan:
That means Jesus exists in eternity which then makes him God



Wahala for who know no scripture.



A creature was FASHIONED WITH YOUR god



You can continue to wail, the next thing is to run to Hebrew or Greek google



How about the false claim you and your lying brothers have made

JaNosense the lying liar like his father the devil

KNOWMORE56:
The answer is simple... He is not one of them...!
He is to receive worship and no to give worship!

"
If your point was valid, you would accept he is not also among those in heaven, do you accept "

That verse you quoted says THERE'S NO MAN meaning THERE'S NO HUMAN BEING... He wasn't there as human being that's why He was not counted:

*. Revelation 5:3 "KJV:And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon."

The other place says EVERY CREATURE... including the 4 beasts... I remember your DO ROCK AND--- HAVE MOUTH?

*. Revelations 5:13 "KJV:And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever."

KNOWMORE56:
From all eternity to all eternity I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE!

KNOWMORE56:
FATHER/SON IS FROM EVERLASTING TO EVERLASTING:
Psalm 90:2; 93:2; Proverbs 8:23; Isaiah 9: 6; 63:16; Jeremiah 10:10; Daniel 4:3,34; 2 Peter 1:11:

"Jehovah created me at the beginning before his works of old", "I was set up" Proverbs 8:22,23, the Bible just dey expose Trinity GIBBERISH

KNOWMORE56:
*. Daniel 4:3 "KJV:How great are his signs! and how mighty are his wonders! his kingdom is an EVERLASTING kingdom, and his dominion is from generation to generation.
34
KJV:And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an EVERLASTING dominion , and his kingdom is from generation to generation:"

*. 2 Peter 1 :11 "KJV:For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the EVERLASTING kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ ."

Now show me another being with such names.
I mean, an angel or a human being or anything else that has all these attributes.

FATHER/SON IS THE ROCK :

*. Deuteronomy 32:4 "KJV: He is THE ROCK , his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he." i e the Father

*. Deuteronomy 32:18 "KJV:Of THE ROCKS that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee." i.e the Father

*. Romans 9:32 "KJV:As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and ROCK of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed." i.e the Son

*. 1 Corinthians 10:4 "
KJV:And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. " i.e the Son

KNOWMORE56:
*. John 16:14 "KJV:He shall glorify me: for he ( the Father ) shall receive of mine , and shall shew it unto you.
15
KJV: All things that the Father hath are mine : therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

*. John 17:10 "KJV:And ALL MINE ARE THINE, and THINE ARE MINE [b] ; and I am glorified in them."

KNOWMORE56:
The verses I gave say SPIRIT OF CHRIST... He (Jesus) has said I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE, ALL THAT THE FATHER HAS ARE MINE or ALL THAT I HAVE ARE HIS yet watch Tower devotees want to disprove Him!

The Father's spirit is the same as the Son's spirit:

*. Romans 8:9 "KJV: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ [b], he is none of his.

*. Philippines 1:19 "KJV: For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the [b] Spirit of Jesus Christ, "

*. 1 peter 1:11
"10 KJV: Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11
KJV: Searching what, or what manner of time THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Note: apostle Peter says [b] THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST was in all the prophets from Genesis to revelation![/b]

KNOWMORE56:
*.
We don't have two or three images in the Word... the image of the Father is the same with the Son and the Holy Spirit!

*. Hebrews 1:3 "KJV:Who being the brightness of his glory, and THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON , and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high"

Emusan:
If they're being truthful to themselves, that verse should have read "Jehovah" but alas they know the implication, so they won't try that.



This is exactly what I use to tell them.

The day they will understand when the scripture is talking about Jesus before He entered creation and after He became part of creation, is the day their delusions will be cured.