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livingchrist:
Jesus had flesh and bones when he resurrected, but it was a spiritual body. There is nothing like Spirit body, it does not exist in the bible.

nencounter10:
Johovah witnesses are a joke. Every scripture is symbolic to them even it it obvious to all that they are not

Emusan:
Deluded JWs has come, always saying senseless things!

The question I'm still waiting for the answer is:

Born of Spirit is Spirit

Born of Flesh is flesh

Who is the Spirit that'll born the ones to become spirit and who is the FLESH that'll born the ones becoming FLESH?

Add:

About that 1 Corin 15:50 the scripture says "Flesh and blood can't inherit the KINGDOM OF GOD"

Now the question is, does God's kingdom extend to earth or not?

shadeyinka:
Please, permit me to ask a question from you JWs in the house. I do not intend to argue with you but to get your explanation on this particular question.

You folks believe that a man cannot be conscious without his body (as the man has no brain, no limbs thus no feelings). This argument is ALWAYS presented as a prove that a man has no soul/spirit that exists after his death.

Now, the Question:
For the 144,000 who will be in Heaven after their resurrection.
1. Since they are BODILESS, what part of their former existence resurrected?
2. Since they are BODILESS, how do they remember their former existence and identity (their brains have rot away at death)?
3. If indeed the 144,000 could exist without their bodies, does that not invalidate your arguments that a human being cannot be conscious without his body? (Please, don't say that it's a special case of Resurrection)

Like I said: I just want to know your response as I do not intend to prove or disprove anything you say.

cc: Maxindhouse, Janosky, AkinwaleJJ, shadeyinka, DappaD, MuttleyLaff, Ken4Christ, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, Dtruthspeaker

Blabbermouth:
Another witness should speak, I'm tired of whipping you.

Blabbermouth:
I remember you, you and Haddey were my lab rat - we have babes in false doctrines and Matured ones in falsehood.
Even in falsehood, you are a babe.

Blabbermouth:
Just like other denominations, yours was also not God's plan.
In an Ekklesia, there are no denominations.

Blabbermouth:
Woman, what has he said? What has he taught me?
God's wisdom cannot be matched, max's own was insufficient - like I warned his brother, in the quest for truth, much wisdom is needed and I've got that of God in me.
Let anyone of you speak if you have wisdom. Thou knowest not what salvation is, if you knew, God's wisdom would have dawned on you.

Emusan:
Before becoming Human or after resurrection?




Resurrection has not taken place Olodo....

It's at resurrection the decaying human body will be transformed which is what Christ possessed.



Olodo buruku....

People who have died will be raised with a human glorified bodies at resurrection while people who are still alive THEIR BODY WILL BE TRANSFORMED immediately to the glorious body. THE SAME BODY AS HUMAN BUT NIW FUNCTIONING BEYOND JUST THIS DECAYING ONE.



The spirit body is still the one at resurrection get sense.



Which means the SPIRIT is the one who will born them.

Then I asked, those who will live on earth with FLESH AND BONES, who will born them?



I asked you that question which you didn't answer





So who born them?

Since those born of spirit are spirit and those BORN OF FLESH ARE FLESH.

Who is the FLESH that provided their OWN FLESH?



Everybody will become Spirit like Christ then!

Blabbermouth:
Cheers. In the body, you lost. Out of the body, you lost. Take your L in peace and we will meet in another thread.

Hope you don't continue with your angel Michael fallacy, angel Michael (if he stays an angel) cannot become the king of the earth, no kingdom for him.

Adiós.

Bros, I can NOT tell".

You have established the fact Jesus is Michael the archangel who fought for Daniel.

Blabbermouth:
According to Paul, it could have been
1. In the body (Flesh and blood) - Bobo mi Janosky, where is the third heavens? I thought you guys claim flesh and blood don't go to heaven
2. Out of the body - if it was out of the body,was it his emotions that was caught up to heaven? Was it is mind?
You are boring me already, I thought your shit was strong before.

So? Just like the spirits of angels, a man's spirit can be disturbed.


Is this your best shot? Gerrarahia man.

So? Thou art boring Janosky.

Saith the JFT bible.

Hahahahahahaha
"And Lord Jesus cried out saying - Lord into thy hands do I commend my spirit emotions" - Luke 23:46 (JFT version)

"Lord Jesus, receive my spirit breathe of life" - Acts 7:59

Is the breathe of life for Stephen? Or is it for Angel Michael?
You can't hide bro, I will whip you with lashes of wisdom till you kiss the truth.

JFT bible is at work.
Where any apostle called Christ Jesus ressurected an angelic creature is what you should cough up.

2 Corinthians 12 Paul says he doesn't know, " whether in the body or out of the body, I can NOT tell" only God knows.
"Out of the body" , here Paul referred to vision revealed to the man..
1Corinthians15:42-44, Christ co-rulers must die before their resurrection to heavenly life.


Luke 24:39 the same man you all claimed is not spirit is now a spirit in Luke 23:46, why do you shift this goalpost?
Acts7:59 and Luke 23:46 is the same as Genesis 2:7 and Eccl12:7.
The screenshot of Luke 23:46 applies to both of them.
Acts7:59, (John 5:25) Jesus Christ has been given authority to give life back to Stephen.

Luke 23:46 (Eccl12:7)Jesus acknowledge His God and Father will bring him back to life.

Pearlla:
You've asked yourself what's the difference between these two? Majorly 95% of individuals believe they're the same thing or rather similar.
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actually they're different with different backgrounds.
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History of (DEMONS): demons are the spirits of evil that possessd man's mind and body (demons don't actually have bodies, they possess man) they're came to existence at the time of the angels who came down to earth to sleep with women. According to GREEKs they're referred as dea-mo-nos.
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history of the (FALLING)(ANGELS): they were angels who rabelled against GoD and were thrown away from the heavens and sent down to earth. They entered anything they fell unto. In Greek they're called pluo-rit-ange`.
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now you understand.
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still your girl pearlla
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Blabbermouth:
My heart is inditing a good matter; yea, I speak of excellent things, my tongue is as the pen of a ready writer.
Before proceeding to reasoning from the scripture by the spirit of truth, i think there is need for a good laugh first.
Not adding a single word and not taking a single word away, here is something from a certified jw article from their org:

"A few humans have the hope of being ressurected to life in heaven (the heavenly ressurection haddeylium talked about). Their number is small - 144,000 in all. However, these 144,000 are quite distinct from those creatures commonly called angels."
Here is another one from another certified JW article ftrom their org:
"Misconception: People become angels when they die
Fact: Angels are a separate creation of God, not ressurected humans. (Colossians 1:16) People who are raised to life in heaven receive the gift of immortal life from God. (1 Corinthians 15:53, 54) They will have a status higher than the angels. - 1 Corinthians 6:3"

haddeylium and Maxindhouse, your organization has a different view from yours - they believe the heavenly ressurected ones are going to be higher beings than angels, they believe the heavenly resurrected will not resurrect as an angel but as an higher being. What is the dog going to do now? Will you stay loyal to your masters and admit that believing the heavenly ressurected will become angels is false? Are you going to be egoistic, disown your governing bodies?
If you are taking your answers back, declare! if you have the wisdom of God in you - What kind of being will the heavenly ressurected become?
Declare if you have the wisdom of God in you - What kind of being has the Lord of the heavenly ressurected become?
haddeylium, i did warn you - in the quest for truth you will be needing a lot of wisdom, let's see the one you have - that of mere men or of God
Either you are wrong or your organization is wrong, it's a win-win situation for the servant to truth.

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1. The being that is going to sit on the throne of David forever cannot be an angel!
For God himself has sworn
Acts 2:30 - "Therefore (David) being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne
Jeremiah 33:17 -"For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel'

Hey beloved, Jesus the Christ never sat on the throne of David in his first coming, so there is no room for peddling the falsehood that the verse was talking about Jesus first coming.
O ye that proclaim Jesus an angelic creature, do show whose wisdom is in you - that of the Antichrist or of God. Does an angel have flesh? How then can an angelic creature sit on the throne of David? Declare if you have wisdom in you - Which creature will sit on the throne of the house of Israel forever.
If Christ Jesus resurrected remained an angelic creature forever, he will never be the one to sit on that throne.

2. The world to come is not subjected to any angelic creature or creatures
Hebrews 2:5 - "For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak"
The Lord of the earth cannot be an angelic creature neither can the heavenly resurrected be angels. If the supposed lord of the earth is an angelic creature, the scripture said the world is not given to angels, if he remains an angel, the world to come will never be subjected to him.
The scripture said we are heirs of God, and Joint heirs with Christ, if we (who the world to come is subjected to) become angels, then the scripture is not fulfilled and God is a liar. God forbid!
If Christ resurrected as an angelic creature, he will never inherit the promise and God will be a liar.

3. The heavenly resurrected (at least) will become greater than every angelic creature. If Christ remain an angelic creature, then the least of the heavenly resurrected ones will be greater than Christ
For the psalmist testified of this, saying
Psalms 8:4-7
What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5. For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6. Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet
For the promise and the good news above was not for any angel but for man (generally) and the last Adam (specifically), if the ones to receive this promise then become angels - is salvation not a joke?

There are more bullets to shoot but ye are dull of hearing, for if thou art not convicted in the plain words of God, how shall thou then understand the hard meat?

Declare if you have the wisdom of God in you - What kind of being did Christ Jesus ressurect as?
Gird up thy loins and answer me, ye that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge - did God subject the new world to angels or to man?
Declare if you have the wisdom of God in you - Does our high priest abide as an angelic creature forever?

Truth has caught up with falsehood, no tongue that speaketh in error shall be able to gainsay.

Grace and truth.
cc: Maxindhouse, Janosky, AkinwaleJJ, shadeyinka, DappaD, MuttleyLaff, Ken4Christ, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, Dtruthspeaker

Blabbermouth:
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So it was John's emotions that receieved those revelations?
Or was it John's breath of life receiving the revelations orrrr is it his mind?
False beliefs will never be able to gainsay when the truth is on the mic, baba Janosky Paul wants to tell you something
2 Corinthians 12
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago (whether in the body, i cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell; God knows) such one caught up to the third heaven. How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter
Was it his emotions that went to the third heaven?
Was it his mind that went to the third heaven?
You keep going down and down and down the scale, stumbling on block and giving yourself a hard time, give up already.
Man has a confirm spirit in him, LMAO! "Spirit is emotion" -Janosky

Are you now trying to look smart?
Deal with the mess your clan invented
1. Jehovah and his angels
2. Michael and his angels
3. Jesus and his angels
According to Jw, Phrase 2 and 3 is a proof that Jesus is angel Michael. Well we've raised it a notch higher, they should not be scared to face the sword they invented. Jesus=Michael=Jehovah
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha, you guys are trinitarians! Or, let's say bitarians i.e God in 2 persons. God the Father, God the angel.
hahahahahaha
hahahahahahaha

Saith the JFT bible - i.e. Janosky's fraud translation bible
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I will PM you, please send me a soft copy of the JFT bible.

TGM2015:
JWs do not believe in Hell Fire, can we have someone explain the below bible passage according to New World Translation, especially the words in bold face.

Luke 3:15-17, Bros, is chaff tortured and tormented forever or burnt to ashes ?

Luke 3 doesn't even prove the scam you're trying to sell here

SmartProf:
They don't need to... infact all they need to do and are doing is to interpret the Bible to suit their narrative, quote the verses that align to their arguments, and support it with their Watch tower and Awake publications. They also decide not to be open to knowledge from anyone else. so effectively, they have made up their minds to push their doctrine and not listen to whatever is contrary. This is called indoctrination.

Bros John 15:15. 7:16, were the disciples open to knowledge from anyone else?
According to your claim, they were "indoctrinated"

Pls Continue to DECEIVE yourself

Barristter07:
Yeah that means he isn't Spirit being na, he doesn't have God's nature. clap for yourself.



Did it say he didn't see clearly ? ...the verse said Mary SAW the person. It didn't say didn't see him clearly .


U are a fraud, Crying doesn't stop you from seeing those close to you .

Didn't know who he was ... that's too big . The one Mary saw has a different Face. She even concluded the stranger is a Gardener.

Emusan God in the flesh radarada hits the rock, scatter yakata.

Mr LIENUS since 19gbidigbidi

Blabbermouth:
Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha
Even Angelic creatures don't see Yahweh!

Shall I bombard you with scriptures showing Man has a spirit?
Or is it only body a man has?
Janosky, give up already, you don't even have a point.

I'm about to reply Haddeylium soon, I will mention you - UNLearn and RELearn (perhaps after you've disfellowshipped yourself and start following Christ directly)

Blabbermouth:
LMAO! I thought you were running your mouth that evidence is plenty, why are you using haddeylium's own, is that the only one you've got?

Michael and his angels fought the dragon and His angels, so?

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Are these 2 statements correct?
1. Jehovah and His angels are spirit beings
2. Michael and His angels fought the dragon


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Yes, they both are. Is Jehovah now angel Michael? Come off it, or else, you guys are also trinitarians. The only difference is - you don't have "God the son", it is " God the angel" you have.

Who leads other angels? What's my own with that one.

Paste out 2 Thess 1:7-8 let readers-by see. Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha

Many of your numerous JW article are scared to call Jesus after ressurection an angel. They bring in the angel Michael card mostly when they are battling with trinitarians.
You don't know why, do you? You will soon.

Hebrew 1:9, "God anointed Jesus Christ above his peers", RECEIVE SENSE
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Blabbermouth:
Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha
Even Angelic creatures don't see Yahweh!

Shall I bombard you with scriptures showing Man has a spirit?
Or is it only body a man has?
Janosky, give up already, you don't even have a point.

I'm about to reply Haddeylium soon, I will mention you - UNLearn and RELearn (perhaps after you've disfellowshipped yourself and start following Christ directly)

777isaac:
Thank you for this scriptural proof. Jesus rose with physical body, the same way we shall all rise from death. 1 Corinthians 15:20-55. However this physical body is a glorified one, better than what was dead. Just like a seed planted brings forth a more better and beautiful harvest.

Blabbermouth:
Is this where you want to hide? Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha, I will drag you out with that your long tail, you little mouse.

Man has a spirit, yes or no? Hahahahahahaha

By the way, what part of John was in heaven receiving those revelations?
Hahahahahahaha

Blabbermouth:
The word "spirit beings/creatures" will not help you escape - I've blocked that escape route right from the beginning.
God is a spirit being, Angels are spirit being, Man is also a spirit being.
It was also littered all over the scriptures that some Men are sons of God.
Since man is a spirit being and also a son of God, does that make man an angelic creature?
Is Haddeylium an angelic creature?
Is Maximus an angelic creature?
Is ken an angel

Use the front door, you will meet me there. Use the back door, you will meet me there. Use the kitchen door, you will meet me there. In fact, try to escape through the ceiling, you will still meet me there.
Truth has caught up with falsehood today.
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LMAO! The scriptures are up there, which one is my logic?

Who called Jesus Almighty God? I'm coming back with your bane soon.

Blabbermouth:
None of the above is essential to the requirement - Give a scripture that proves that Christ Jesus (after resurrection of course) in heaven is an angelic creature.

PS: Thank your star we are having an edification-based discussion and not an argument based one. Your "life giving spirit" scripture would have been the axe for your beheading.

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Why are you so confused? What's our business with Jesus' state of existence before he came to earth?
You haven't said anything meaningful or given a proof for your answer.

In simple English - Dearly Beloved Janoksy, give a scripture that supports your claim that Christ Jesus (after resurrection of course) in heaven is an angelic creature.


PS: As at the era of Daniel, following your belief - angel Michael is not yet made a man, therefore, your Daniel scripture does not qualify as a proof.

Try again!

Goal-post shifting, wetin concern this discussion with the trinity doctrine?

Blabbermouth:
Was the Holy spirit created?

Blabbermouth:
Hmmm, I see.

I get you.

That's nice.
That is to say - God's holy spirit is not a person, it is an active force, right?

Blabbermouth:
Why did you cunningly add "Son of God", uhn? Why?

"small gods" - He said.

If you keep chanting this, you are only roping yourself.
Your last sentence was - Christ was made alive in the spirit relam as a life giving spirit - That's A God there.
Is Christ Jesus in Heaven A God? If not, don't show me this verse again - I'm only sticking with your answer of " B. Angels"... Gone are the days of arguing with no essence.

Okay.
I'm still looking for your "Jesus ressurected is an angelic creature" proof.

Read the screenshots evidences.
Jesus Christ is Michael the archangel. The proof is everywhere.

Trinitarians won't admit it because it is a deadly blow to their Trinity GIBBERISH.
The last Adam you agreed is God's creature, same applies to the Archangel Michael. .
He is the same spirit son of God,1 Cor15:24,45.
Which angel did God not create?
Let's close this case.

Blabbermouth:
"Cowardly" is an harmless and non-insult intended adverb.

You chose B.
Bible verses please... Haddey already gave 1 Thess 4:16, it will be nice if you gave me another one (a scripture we don't have to start assuming and shadowboxing)

Shalom.

Ken4Christ:
These agents of darkness are ready to defend their lies till death do them part. I wonder what you gain by opposing the truth of God's word.

Blabbermouth:
"Cowardly" is an harmless and non-insult intended adverb.

You chose B.
Bible verses please... Haddey already gave 1 Thess 4:16, it will be nice if you gave me another one (a scripture we don't have to start assuming and shadowboxing)

Sorry mate, I don't subscribe to the Trinity doctrine.

ROFLMAO. Is this the scripture for your answer? No, no, no, the last we checked the only life giving spirit is God!
Unfortunately you chose option B not A! Try again.

First Adam is Adam the father of Abel. Last Adam is Jesus the Christ.

Yes.

Which one is spirit son? Sprit son ko, spiritual father ni.
Is the Last Adam God's creature? Yes!

Hahahahahahaha haha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha, why are you adding " spirit" to the "sons of God"?

Make I check my Bible.

Hahahahahahaha haha hahahahahahaha Hahahahahahaha Hahahahahahaha
Yet you don't believe I'm trinity?
If I were you I will always try not to Include " life-giving"... All that screams is - Christ Jesus is A God!

Today is not for Trinity or no Trinity, I'm waiting for a better bible verse from you. The one you gave is an indicator that Christ Jesus was raised as A God.

Shalom.

1 Cor15:24-27,45.
A life giving spirit son of God handing over the kingdom to his God and Father .

1 Corinthians 8:5 " Jesus is a god in heaven . John 10:34-36 men are God's on earth

Ken4Christ:
Quiet a lot of people have one misconception about death. They believe that life ends here on earth. So, the dead man is gone forever. It is not true. Rather, death is the gateway to reality. The life after death is even more real than the life on earth. There are infallible proofs to support this assertion in the Scripture.

First, you should know that man was created in the image and likewise of God. We are spirit beings. It is the spirit that gives life to our mortal bodies. Hence, James wrote,

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. (James 2:26).

So, when a man die, his spirit just leaves his body. He still lives on but can't make contact with this physical world. His soul either goes to hell or his spirit goes to heaven.

If people understand this simple truth, they will not commit suicide. Because, most of them will end up in hell and meet a worse condition that they are trying to avoid.

If the dead are gone forever, why did Jesus made reference to Abraham that he is still living. He said;

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. (John 8:56).

In addition he said,

Matthew 22:31-32.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Ken4Christ:
My words are very few. I quoted Scriptures. Which one is the lie?

You said in the other thread that there is no where Jehovah Witness said God took the body of Jesus. I showed you the evidence and even the page on the book I cited and you have remained mute.

Now you come to this thread to say I am lying. Make your points. We believe Jesus is coming back and your cult group said he is not. Why do you always subvert the truth of God's word?

How much are they paying you to defend lies. Remember you will give account of all that you say on judgment day. You want to rely on your lies that what you do on earth doesn't matter. Even Satan himself is learning how to lie compared with the lie of Jehovah Witness.

Ken4Christ:
Whatever I say won't cure your unbelief. Give your life to Jesus and you will be able to accept the truth of what happened.