Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 12:00am On Oct 03, 2020 |
Ken4Christ: Whatever I say won't cure your unbelief. Give your life to Jesus and you will be able to accept the truth of what happened. Your pastpreneurs can't refute any Scriptural evidences presented by JWs on this thread.. Keep your delusions and stay in your lane. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 11:53pm On Oct 02, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: This is cowardly of you Janosky. You could have answered succinctly with a Bible verse that shows your answer is scriptural. I read 1 Corinthians 15, your answer to my question will make it a easy peasy scripture for everyone. Bros, thanks for the insult. Summary: What being is Jesus Christ now in heaven? A. God B.Angel C. Man. 1 Corinthians 15:24-27. Jesus Christ hands over the kingdom to his God and Father" (in the spirit realm). Jesus Christ is NOT God, confirmed. Trinity falls into the Sewage Tank  .B. Angel. 1 Cor15:45, "The first Adam became a living soul,the last Adam became a life giving spirit". Questions for Blabbermouth: Who is the first Adam? Who is the last Adam?
Does the first Adam and the last Adam have the same Father & the same God?
Is the last Adam a spirit son of God? Is the last Adam, God's creature ?
In your Bible, What is the other name for spirit sons of God? . @ 1 Cor15:22, what was MADE ALIVE? @1Peter 3:18 what was MADE ALIVE? Man. 1 Cor15:20 "Christ has been raised from the dead". For a while, Jesus was a man liable to death. 1Cor15:20,23,45 Christ is the first fruits of those raised up from the dead to a life giving spirit. Therefore no more liable to death. Shalom |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Ceasars' And What Is Gods ? by Janosky: 10:40pm On Oct 02, 2020*. Modified: 11:07pm On Oct 02, 2020 |
CodeTemplar: The question posed to Jesus in that scripture was clearly about money. Try again. Matthew 22:16 Then they sent to him some of their disciples and some members of Herod's party. "Teacher," they said, "we know that you tell the truth. You teach the truth about God's will for people, without worrying about what others think, because you pay no attention to anyone's statusThe bolded statement in Matthew 22:16 clearly states the Pharisees know the matter is beyond money. Again consider Matthew 19:3-8 Jesus declared that God's original law was Man & wife (one flesh), not multiple wives or serial divorce (law of Man ) arising from men's hard heartedness. Bros it goes beyond money.. Acts5:17-29, Ceasar demanded from the disciples what belongs to God. Acts 5:29, The disciples declared their stand on the matter. |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Ceasars' And What Is Gods ? by Janosky: 10:31pm On Oct 02, 2020 |
CodeTemplar: Matthew 22:21 Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's."
What is God's here ? New Living Translation Acts 5:29 But Peter and the apostles replied, “We must obey God rather than any human authority.
Matthew 22:21 applies to EVERY Scriptural injunctions which the authority (laws) of men may not permit. The incidents of Acts 5:17-29 is a classic example. |
Christianity Etc › Re: I Saw Angel Michael Descend From Heaven Saying "I'm Here To Protect You" by Janosky: 10:24pm On Oct 02, 2020 |
jesusjnr2020: I Saw Angel Michael Descend From Heaven Saying "I'm Here To Protect You"
In a dream I saw someone descend from heaven who told me "I'm here to protect you", but i didn't know who it was until some persons around me said "it's Angel Micheal."
In an instant, i saw him annihilate something troubling me on the spot, which I suppose was of the chief devil Lucifer, because for the archangel to get involved, it has to be Satanic powers of the highest order.
I have seen fallen angels, including Lucifer, demons severally in my dreams, and though I briefly saw the appearance of Jesus also in a dream sometime last year which i shared here in nairaland with my jesusjnr moniker, this was the first time I had ever seen the appearance of any angel of God since the day I was born.
He had brown hair and looked really matured, focused and masculine. I didn't see any wings on Him though, and can't remember seeing any sword or such weapon on him, but he didn't appear to need such as his weapons seemed inbuilt.
After successfully finding a portrait which matched the face of Jesus which I saw in a dream here in Nairaland, through the help of a brother with the moniker, Okcornel, which was also confirmed by several nairalanders, including brother EnthronedbyGod who was led by the Holy Ghost via a vision to the same thread at the same time I was confirming that same portrait, I also tried searching online if I could find any portrait that would match the face and appearance of the archangel I saw to use for this purpose, but unfortunately I couldn't find any.
Maybe I would try and make a sketch of the face I saw myself, to give some here an idea of what Angel Michael looked like, although I doubt if I would be able do it much justice even though his appearance is still vivid in mind, because my drawing skills should be very rusty now after abandoning it for a very long time, but with God nothing shall be impossible.
In the meantime, if there be anyone here who in all honesty has also seen the appearance of angel Micheal, please come and also share what he looks like so that we can compare.
Psalms 91:10-13 (KJV)
There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
The year 2020 seem to be a year that carries huge significance as things appear to be happening quickly.
*This is the year the whole world completely stood still for the first time in living history because of a virus. A lot of other strange things appear to be happening at the same time.
*This is the same year I dreamt about the rapture for the first time ever, and I had the second one in barely two months after the first ever one.
*It's also this year I saw the appearance of archangel Michael or any angel of God for the first time in my life, and he said, "i'm here to protect you."
So it appears that the last days Jesus warned us about are surely upon us, but that regardless whatever is happening, whether perilous times or tribulations oh, God's got His own covered, so they have nothing to fear.
It's only those who are not truly His that have something to fear and worry about, because they don't have that security that God alone can give in these last days.
God bless. Oshogbo and Kwale weed combo go make OP see hallucinations him go call am "Angel Michael"  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 10:01pm On Oct 02, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: Your reply is not well written sir, please re-ask the questions you asked there. Janosky my friend, I need a succinct answer- Just choose A, B or C and give a perfect scripture that proves your answer true. Christ Jesus in Heaven, What Kind of Being is he? A. A God B. An Angel C. A man  It seems you don't care about what your Bible says. 1 Corinthians 15:22-48 is in your Bible, study it prayerfully & thoroughly, then attempt the questions posed to you & your friend in my post. Shalom |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 9:55pm On Oct 02, 2020*. Modified: 12:01am On Oct 03, 2020 |
Ken4Christ: I really wonder why adherents of some religious groups don't use their brains. They just follow without questioning when they have the opportunity to read the Bible for themselves.
In case you are not aware, the Jehovah Witness don't believe in the bodily resurrection of our Lord Jesus. They claimed he resurrected spiritually without his body.
*1) They said God took his body and since there is no such record in the Bible, it is as good as saying that God stole the body of Jesus. So, they label God as a thief. Read their quote below from their own book; you can live forever in paradise on earth.
'Well, then, what happened to Jesus' fleshly body? Did not the disciples find his tomb empty? They did, because God removed Jesus' body. Why did God do this? It fullilled what had been written in the Bible. (Psalm 16:lO; Acts 231) Thus Jehovah saw fit to remove Jesus' body, even as he had done before with Moses' body. (Deuteronomy 34.5, 6) Also, if the body had been left in the tomb, Jesus' disciples could not have understood that he had been raised from the dead, not fully appreciate spiritual things.'(Page 144)
In addition, they label Jesus as a trickster. They said Jesus just appeared in a physical body the way Angels do. In other words, he tricked them to believe he was raised in a physical body. Read their quote from the same book;
*2) But since the apostle Thomas was able to put his hand into the hole in Jesus' side, does that not show that Jesus was raised from the dead in the same body that was nailed to the stake? No, for Jesus simply materialized or took on a fleshly body, as angels have done in the past. In order to convince Thomas who he was, he used a body with wound holes. ([/b]Page 145).
Please, humble yourselves and admit you have believed lies all these years. Even a 3 years old child in his right sense won't believe all these lies. [b]1 Corinthians 3:23 "Jesus Christ belongs to God" , Will God thief what belongs to Him? Your FALSE claim exposed Acts 2:31"David was looking into the future and speaking of the Messiah’s resurrection. He was saying that God would not leave him among the dead or allow his body to rot in the grave."Ken4 , according to your FALSE claim, will God thief what belongs to Him? 1 Corinthians 3:23, says you are LYING . Pastpreneurs spoon-fed you with JUNK. 
Acts 2:31, what did God do after Jesus death ? Ishi akun. .
* 2) When you,Ken4 see John 21:4, John 20:14-15 Luke 24:16,31,36, Jesus body had no scars,Did you not confess on this thread that Jesus used the body with scars for evidence to prove to Thomas? 
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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Don't Believe That Jesus Is Coming Back by Janosky: 12:52am On Oct 02, 2020 |
Ken4Christ: There are what is known as the tenets of the Christian faith and one of them is that Christ is coming back. There are two phenomenon people often use interchangeably but they are not the same. It is the rapture of the church and the second coming of Christ.
The word rapture simply means caught up. This is the next major event that will happen very soon. Christ will descend from heaven but will not land on the earth. The dead in Christ will rise first and we that are alive will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. Hear what Apostle Paul said about it;
1st Thessalonians 4:16-17. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1st Corinthians 15:51-54. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
The passages above doesn't refer to the second coming of Christ. The second coming of Christ will take place after the seven years reign of the anti Christ. It is a visible return of Jesus to the earth.
Our Lord Jesus himself said;
Matthew 24:25-27. 25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
How do you see lightning? Visibly or invisibly?
Even when Jesus ascended up back to heaven after his resurrection, the angels standing by said;
Acts 1:9-11 9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
He went back visibly and the passage said he will come back the same way.
But the Jehovah Witness teaches otherwise. I told you before that they oppose every single truth of the gospel. They are anti Christ. The earlier we know it, the better for us and those who are thinking of joining this cult.
Below is an excerpt from their book, You Can live forever in Paradise on earth. (Page 146)
'How, then, are we to understand the words of Revelation 1:7? There the apostle John writes: "Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him." Here the Bible speaks of seeing, not with physical eyes, but in the sense of discerning or perceiving. Thus, when a person comprehends or understands a matter, he may say, 'I see it.' The Bible, in fact, speaks of "the eyes of your understanding." (Ephesians 1:18, King James Version) So the expression "every eye will see him means that everyone will then understand or recognize that Christ is present'
May God deliver as many as have been held captives by this demonic doctrines in Jesus name. Amen. LYING without shame. Janosky have posted 2Thess1:7-9 more times than you can spell your moniker. Shame on you |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 12:28am On Oct 02, 2020*. Modified: 12:48am On Oct 02, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: Why quote Corinthians? You are yet to dribble around the scriptures Shade gave you. Here is a truth teaser: Christ Jesus in Heaven, what kind of Being is he? A. God B. Angel C. Man
Tip: Any of the answer is deadly, go with the truth, not your instinct! Whether you accept it or not, the entire 1Corinthians chapter 15 is at the heart of this matter. A. Jesus is Not God. [b]1 Cor15:24-27. "Jesus hands over the kingdom to his God and Father" in the spirit realm. Shikena ! Make Una RECEIVE SENSE.
. [b]B. Angel. Yes. 1 Cor15:45, "the first Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life giving spirit." [b]Questions for Shadeyinka and Blattermouth: does the first Adam and the last Adam Jesus have the same Father/God in the spirit realm? Shadeyinka and Blattermouth, Is the last Adam a Spirit Son in heaven? Blabbermouth and Shadeyinka, What is the other words for angels in heaven? Angel in Hebrew= Sons of God/ Messenger. The last Adam is the first born of every creature, Himself is a creature.  . Shadeyinka and Blattermouth, 1 Cor15:22. " For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in Christ all will be made alive." Emphasis on " MADE ALIVE" 1Cor 15:22, who are made alive? The dying humanity. 1 Peter 3:18 , What was made alive? The dead Jesus in the fleshly realm was made alive in the spirit realm  1 Cor15:40, the glory of spirit bodies superior to the glory of human bodies. Why would Jesus Christ go to heaven with human body? John 17:24 the glory was in the spirit realm. Una no get SENSE  Man. 1 Cor15:3,22,45,For a while he was a man, liable to death. But now Jesus is a life giving spirit son of God. [/b] |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 11:06pm On Oct 01, 2020 |
Ken4Christ: Your natural sense cannot receive God's word because you don't have the Spirit of God. You are trying to use logical reasonings but it will not understand the things of God.
Your doctrines are demonic. I will expose more.
You see the truth and reject it. You usurp the authority of your books above that of God's word.
You said God took Jesus body which is not anywhere in the Bible. Rather the Bible said he didn't allow his body to see corruption. You reject that of the Bible and want to establish your own. I won't comment on this thread anymore. But I will open many more thread to expose your lies. Shame on you Ken4. The bolded is your FALSE claim. No JW ever did that.
Ken4 is John 20:14 demonic? Is Luke 24:16,31,36 demonic? You are a shameless liar
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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 9:13pm On Oct 01, 2020*. Modified: 10:54pm On Oct 01, 2020 |
shadeyinka: See how you conveniently mislead yourself. What died? Was it Christ Body or Christ Spirit? Shadeyinka REJECTED the holy Scriptures, cherry picking what he wants. Hebrew10:10 did Jesus sacrifice his body? Yes. 1 Peter 3:18 did Jesus die in the flesh? 1 Cor15:42 what was raised? His spirit body. Same applies to his desciples with heavenly citizenship.[/quote]If during the burial of Mr Mann, someone told you that even though Mr Mann is in the coffin, he has in fact resurrected and is currently at home eating Amala with Ewedu: would you consider it a resurrection?[/quote]Fake analogy. Jesus was NEVER alive, the day he was buried  It can only be a resurrection when that who DIED is brought back to life. See how you conveniently misplaced your thinking faculty?![/quote]You hate the Scriptural truth.[/quote]You didn't answer any questions with respect to 1Pt3:18-20 1. What died? Was it the Body of Christ or the Spirit of Christ? What then was made ALIVE? Was it the Body of Christ or the Spirit of Christ? [/quote]1 Cor15 :42& 1 Peter 3:18, Made alive in the spirit realm. Paul and Peter had first hand testimony. Shadeyinka own, na delusion. [/quote][/b]2. According to 1Pt3:18-20 when did Jesus preach to the Prisoners? Was it before His appearance to His disciples or after? [b][/quote]1Peter3:18-20 after he was made alive in the spirit realm [/quote]3. Can you please say exactly what Lk24:39 means; especially with respect of the coloured phrases Luk 24:39: 1. " Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself:2. handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have." [/quote]Luke 24:4,23 who are the two spirits called men? 1 Cor15:45, Luke 24:39 the life giving spirit Jesus can call himself human. Deal with it. [/quote]]If Jesus transmutated several times after His resurrection, is this not an evidence even from you that Transmutation is not the same as Resurrection?[/quote] Is Luke 24:15,31,36 is it a resurrection? No nau ;[/i]D[/quote]To help you out: Lazarus of Bethany: Was his case a case of Resurrection or Transmutation. [/quote] [i]Lazarus of John 11, resurrection. Lazarus and rich man, a parable.[/quote]Can you compare with these two scriptures Mat 28:6:"He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay." Mat 28:7:"And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goes before you into Galilee; there shall you see him: see, I have told you." The highlights in @red, are they a case of Resurrection or Transmutation? [/quote]Matthew 28:6-7, the transmutated angels saw the resurrected life giving spirit Jesus Christ. Matt28 Vs11-18 the transmutated spirit, Jesus Christ met his disciples in the flesh in the same manner the transmutated angels met the disciples @ Matthew 28:6-7 [/quote]Please next time follow the scriptures rather than some man made positions. There is nothing defendable with going tangent to plain scriptures all because you want to please your organisation.[/quote] Your FALSE claim. Not based on fact. 
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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 7:40pm On Oct 01, 2020*. Modified: 7:56pm On Oct 01, 2020 |
KNOWMORE56: After resurrection, He still denied being a spirit."
Luke 24:39 "KJV:Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."
But you and your organization want us to disbelieve Him. 1cor 15:44 Heavenly bodies are spirits in heaven. Their glory is different from earthly bodies Earthly bodies are human on earth."
1 Cor15:45 your Bible says Jesus Christ is a spirit. 
Luke 24:4 While they were puzzling over this, suddenly two men in radiant apparel stood beside them.
"when they didn't find his body, they came saying that they had also seen a vision of angels, who said that he was alive.@Luke 24:4,23 angels were called men. Likewise,@ Luke 24:39, Jesus the life giving spirit is a man. Deal with it cherry picker  [/b] |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 7:33pm On Oct 01, 2020*. Modified: 8:00pm On Oct 01, 2020 |
KNOWMORE56: Jesus, when He walked on the water the disciples taught He was a spirit, He said no to that.
*. Matthew 14:26 " KJV:And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, IT IS A SPIRIT; and they cried out for fear. 27 KJV:But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.
. Matthew 14:26, Therefore your deity is not God in human form or spirit in human form, according to your claim.
You say your Trinity GIBBERISH na FRAUD
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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 6:20pm On Oct 01, 2020 |
Ken4Christ: @1) It is possible to see someone you know and not recognize him because of the state of your mind. It has happened to me.
I was standing with my twin brother though unidentical after I returned from school on a certain day and I didn't know he was the one standing right before me because my mind was crowded with thoughts.
The disciples haven't overcome the shock of the crucifixion of Jesus and so many things where going through their minds. So, in just the way it happened to me, it could be for the same reason.
The real issue however is what happened to the body of Jesus?
The Bible already told us that his body didn't decay.
Acts 2:31 he looked ahead and spoke about the resurrection of the Messiah: ‘He was not abandoned to Hades, and his flesh did not experience decay.(ISV)
The scar still remained because of evidence. Besides, the incidence was still fresh.
Why would he appear and disappear? Because it's now a glorified body. @1 . John20:14 ” 14When she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there; but she did not recognize that it was Jesus. Luke 24:16 But their eyes were kept from recognizing Him. John 21:4 Early in the morning, Jesus stood on the shore, but the disciples did not recognize that it was Jesus." 6 times in the Scriptures, your own narrative and conjectures doesn't tally with the holy Scriptures. Luke 24:28-30 Jesus traveled with the disciples, taught them, yet them no know say na him. Luke 24:31 Jesus disappeared from their midst. Luke 24:36, He reappeared again... Bros, talk true, in all these 6 occasions, did Jesus have body scars ?
Jesus Body no decay, but 6 times he materialized into human flesh and appear to the disciples nobody recognized him . Learn something,Bros 
@Luke 24:4,23 angels appear to the disciples. Did the disciples call the materialized angels "men"? Yes !
@ Luke 24:39, he is very right to call himself human because he materialized into human flesh.
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Christianity Etc › Re: How Do People Interpreted 1 Corinthians 6 V 9-10? Homosexuality exposed. by Janosky: 2:11pm On Oct 01, 2020 |
paulGrundy: honestly the Bible never support any form of homosexuality it baffles me when people identify as gay Christians because there's no such thing as that . if you are a Christian you can never be gay Cc: MuttleyLaff 
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Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 2:03pm On Oct 01, 2020 |
brocab: Unfortunately-these lies are Watchtower lies, and you of course are one of it;s little followers that spread these lies against humanity. If you can't understand scripture-then it's best to leave the Word alone.. The truth of the matter is-if the Watchtower can't get Jesus right in the first place-then it's obvious, "they don't know Him. Brocab LIAR like kilode  Christianity of Jesus Christ is NOT, NEVER a triune DELUSION of brocab. Bros Read this screenshot here you posted on this thread and RECEIVE SENSE 
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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 1:51pm On Oct 01, 2020 |
shadeyinka: Hypnosis and Demonisation is similar. You have the conc symptom of both. Huncle, Hebrew 10:10,Jesus human body was sacrificed to free you from your DELUSION but you no agree  For your mind ,You carry him human body enter heaven to meet God the Supreme Spirit. And you think say you get SENSE? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 1:45pm On Oct 01, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: Nevertheless the foundation of the LORD standeth sure having this seal - The LORD knows them that are His... Even before the OP created this thread, we are all as sure as death that the JW members will never UNLearn and RELearn since they have one Lord - the Watchtower Organization and what they are fed is what they dish. You've given them straight-forward Scriptures, Jesus' own words, and what did they say - "Ohh Shade, you don't have the holy spirit working in you, (indirectly) Jesus was a clown, he was only using his words to confuse the wolf " ROFLMAO. Gone are the days of "trying to prove a point", in this season, I go for Essence and essence Only!... Until they can prove that Christ never said those words you quoted, then there is no essence in discussing with a sect whose Lord is not Christ Jesus.  . Philippians 2:6 Romans 8:3,Jesus was existing in God's spirit form before coming to earth John 20:17, according to Blabber & Shadeyinka, Jesus Christ went to heaven in Human body to meet a Spirit,his God and Father. Una think say una get SENSE? 2 Corinthians 5:16 and 1 Corinthians 15:44-45, shebi na Jehovah's witnesses write am for una BIBLE ?  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 1:22pm On Oct 01, 2020 |
Ken4Christ: They are not wounds but scars for the purpose of evidence otherwise those who saw him will have reasons to doubt. Why would Jesus use that body scar for Evidence to Thomas if he was resurrected as Human ? John 20:11-14,Why did Mary Magdalene not recognize him without body scars even though she knows Jesus very well? Why would Jesus appear and disappear several times in Luke 24:8-42 without any body scar ? Before Jesus death can you show us when and where Jesus vanished and reappeared unrecognized by his disciples? 2 Corinthians 5:16, Christ is no more a Man. 1 Cor15:45 Jesus Christ is a life giving SPIRIT. Glorified human body FRAUD Triune idols worshippers Receive SENSE 
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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 12:54pm On Oct 01, 2020*. Modified: 1:30pm On Oct 01, 2020 |
shadeyinka: I am not disappointed with your deliberate tangent and evasive responses
Phillipians 3:20-21 "But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21who, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body
You were blind to the word TRANSFORM You were blind to the phrase OUR LOWLY BODIES You were blind to the word HIS GLORIOUS BODY
I rest my case Bros,you have ZERO case. TRANSFORM = CHANGE.. 2 Cor 5:16. 1 Cor15:44-45. Christ did not change from human to human. 
Hebrew 9:24 Jesus Christ appears before God. Bros, you claim Jesus is in heaven with Human glorified body. Jesus appears before God. Your Trinity Jesus is God GIBBERISH nailed and buried. Shikena !Let's go treat your other mess alias glorified human body FRAUD .
2Cor5:16 ".. even if We once knew Christ as a Man (Greek4561) , We know him no more as a Man."
John 17:24 Father, I want those You have given Me to be with Me where I am, that they may see the glory You gave Me Question for Shadeyinka: John 17:24, & Phil 2:6,Bros, in which body form was Jesus existing "where I am" before he came to earth? 
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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 4:49am On Oct 01, 2020 |
shadeyinka: I wonder what your objective was with this post. Let's take your first scripture Phillipians 3:20-21 "But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21who, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body
1. Is it our BODIES that would be Transformed or our SPIRIT? If it is our bodies, why should Jesus case be an exception? What then happens to the physical body of Christ? Is it kept in the heavenly Musium? 2. Please note the @blue. Whose BODY is this scripture speaking about? Why is the scripture not written as "...His glorious spirit" ?
I expect you as usual to go tangent to these questions.
Please next time follow the scriptures rather than some man made undefendable positions. 1) Phillipians 3:20-21, Christ is in heaven when Paul wrote that. 1 Cor15:48-50,Bros, can human flesh/body exist in heaven? Phillipians 3:20-21, Jesus will transform human bodies into spiritual bodies for heavenly citizenship 
John 4:24. God is a spirit being. Hebrew9:24. Christ the life giving spirit in heaven will appear before his God in heaven.. Trinity fall yakata.. Yamutu Yakari 
John 6:51& Hebrews10:10, is what happened to Christ fleshly body. Inspired utterance of Jesus and Paul .
2) 1 Cor15:40,44-45, glorified spiritual body of Christ the life giving spirit . Shadeyinka problem is he mistakenly conclude that "Body" is strictly flesh/human.
1Cor15:40,44-45 first Adam human being/body. 2nd Adam, Jesus is a spiritual being/ body.
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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 4:07am On Oct 01, 2020 |
Ken4Christ: Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead BY THE GLORY OF THE FATHER, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
He was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father and Jesus is the express image of that glory.
Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high..
But is this really your problem?
Our Lord Jesus rose from the dead bodily. His body underwent transformation such that it is no longer sustained by blood but by the Spirit of God.
Hence, Jesus didn't call his body, flesh and blood but he called it flesh and bones. It is a glorified body and the Bible promised ours also will be transformed to be like that of Jesus.
He told Thomas, I am not a spirit because I have flesh and bones, not flesh and blood.
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have Romans6:4 , Ken4 himself have faulted his FALSE claim. Bros, your Romans 6:4 quote confirmed Jesus did not raise himself. Thomas touched Jesus Christ when Christ appear to them. Bros, Glorified body dey get wounds and nail marks?You go dey claim say you get Sense  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 3:58am On Oct 01, 2020 |
shadeyinka: A JW main scripture is their organizations books of doctrines. When the bible is in direct contradiction of their doctrine, they go with their doctrine.
It's a case of deep hypnosis and brainwashing that they aren't even aware of how enslaved they've become.
It's like demonic enslavement. I pray the Lord opens their eyes and set them free False claims  Hogwash. After all your somersaults on this thread  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 3:48am On Oct 01, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: [img]https://s8/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img] What points are you trying to make here?
I am sure you unreservedly agree and accept that God is Spirit, yeah? If yes, then what part of Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ is God Incarnate, God in human flesh body, dont you understand or get, hmm?
Please tell, did Apostle Peter, did he too not walk on water, defying gravity, hmm? Why aren't you asking if he too was a spirit in his earthly ministry or if Peter walked on water in a glorified body? John 11:27
She said to him, “Yes, Lord; I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who is coming into the world.”
Compare John 3:16 to John11:27 & Romans 8:3.
Matthew 28:18, where did Jesus Christ acquire power to walk on water?
Triune idol worshippers FALSELY claiming they know more than Jesus Christ 
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Christianity Etc › 1 Corinthians 6:9 & Romans 1:26-28 by Janosky(op): 3:30am On Oct 01, 2020 |
The Moderators of Nairaland Religion Section should tell this public forum what they found offensive in both Scriptures.
Is it a crime on Nairaland to quote the holy Scriptures?
Is there no freedom of religion in this clime anymore?
Haba !!!!!!!!!! |
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Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 2:45am On Sep 29, 2020 |
Mikee19: Here is what i shall do...
Using the New World Translation (NWT) of the Watchtower Society of the Jehovah witnesses, and the Greek interlinear of the same, i shall prove EXHAUSTIVELY that Jesus is the Almighty God, and the Holy Spirit too. I had the privilege of having a close Jehovah witness study partner in my uni days and we looked at this over a few years. He saw it, and everyone will too!
When that happens, do not resist the Holy Spirit. Accept the truth from your very own translations themselves.
The time has come for this to be put here, i shall complete this in a few days.
It doesn't matter what translation, there is one God! And yet Jesus is God Almighty!
I shall create the thread and link back here. Coming soon! John 20:17 and Revelation 3:5,12. Jesus Christ have already DISOWNED your FALSE claim. No waste your time, Bros.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah’s Witnesses To Face Trial For Discrimination And Incitement To Hate by Janosky: 2:39am On Sep 29, 2020 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 2:23am On Sep 29, 2020 |
MightySparrow: 1. You have not really given clear expianation. 2. Would we be able to transform and bodies subjected to carry wounds like that he showed his disciples based on your earlier post? 3. Do spirits have bodies? Luke 24: 39 1Cor15:40,44. Spirits have spirit bodies (not flesh/human body). If you were a Spirit, you could. But you can't. Human limitations. Luke 24:4,23. Angels were called "men" by Jesus disciples. Were the angels really men? Why do you cherry pick on Luke 24:39 when you can't solve the puzzle of Luke 24:15-16? Luke 24:15-16, John 20:14, Why did Jesus disciples not recognize him while they spent hours talking with him? Luke 24:31,36, do you accept that the angels @ Luke 24:4, copied Jesus deeds @vs31,36? If Angels were called men,@vs4, what would Jesus disciples call their Master @ vs39? Luke 24:8-42, did Jesus Christ have body wounds? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 12:46am On Sep 29, 2020*. Modified: 2:31am On Sep 29, 2020 |
shadeyinka: Now first, let's look at the two scriptures
1. See what Jesus said: Luk 24:39: 1. "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: 2. handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have."
2. 1Pt3:18-20 i. "For Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, ii. being put to death in the flesh, iii. but quickened by the Spirit: iv. By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."
Since the scriptures will NOT contradict themselves, let us interpret these two scriptures.
Luk 24:39 is simple and direct. There is no iota of ambiguity with it. Jesus emphatically said that what the disciples were seeing was the real Him and NOT a Spirit. 1Pt3:18 by itself is meaningless without looking at the context of the verse. Hence, we must read it up to at least verse 20 .
Now, I have broke the scripture into phrases for ease of comprehension Phrase i: I think this phrase is clear to all Christians. Phrase ii: I think all Christians are in agreement that Jesus was killed (bodily) Phrase iii: "Quickened in the spirit" is the same meaning as "made alive in the spirit" The ambiguity is: HOW was Jesus made alive in the Spirit? WHEN was Jesus made alive in the Spirit? Is BEING made Alive in the SPIRIT the same as RESURRECTION? (Being made alive in the flesh would have been a resurrection isn't it) Was Jesus SPIRIT also Killed on the Cross?
Since this phase is a little ambiguous, let's see if the next phrase will qualify such ambiguity Phrase iv: a. Jesus being made alive in the spirit was the means by which He preached to the spirits in prison b. These spirits in prison have their origin from the time of Noah c. These spirits were disobedient.
So, when was Jesus made alive in the spirit? Since we can only allow scriptures to interpret other scriptures, let's look at Eph4:8-10
Eph 4:8-10: "Why he said, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts to men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)"
It seems there was a DESCENDING first before and ASCENTION of Christ! 1Pt3:18 was then referencing the DESCENT of Christ rather than HIS RESURRECTION!
Compare this 1Pt3:18-20 with the statement of Jesus in Lk24:39, Jesus's statement is very clear, direct and simple to comprehend (if one does not have a sinister motive)
Luk 24:39: 1. "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: 2. handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have."
Jesus resurrected BODILY. He is not a SPIRIT.
Now, to your questions
Of course Angels with the permission of God can TRANSMUTATE into a Material Body. But Transmutation is NOT the same as Resurrection. Transmutation is a kind of transformation from one form into another while resurrection is bringing back alive the dead.
Jesus physical body was buried: it was His body that resurrected.
Mat 28:6: "He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay."
Mat 28:7: "And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goes before you into Galilee; there shall you see him: see, I have told you."
Since Jesus Spirit wasn't killed, his spirit couldn't have reason sir!
The Bible spoke only of the Ascension of Christ into the Physical Heaven (cloud and sky) with respect to resurrection and not that Jesus went to the dwelling place of God the Father at His ASCENTION. If you know any scripture that show that Jesus ascended to the Spiritual heaven in the presence of His Disciples let me know.
Human flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. 1Cor 15:50: "And I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit [the] kingdom of God, nor does corruption inherit incorruption."
Jesus does NOT need to inherit the Kingdom of God. He came from His Father's House to introduce the kingdom to us. 1Cor15:50 doesn't apply to Jesus but to us Christians.
John 3:13: "And no one has ascended up to Heaven except He who came down from Heaven, the Son of man who is in Heaven."
The above scripture show that Jesus is an exception to 1Cor15:50.
A Glorified body is one that is not bound by the limitations of the physical realm.
No! Only the Priest has access to a sacrifice after it has been dropped by the person presenting the sacrifice. The sacrifice may be a burnt offering where the whole sacrifice is burnt to ashes (and the priest then clears the ashes) or where part of the sacrifice belong to him for food.
Unfortunately, your question is not appropriate. Jesus was the LAMB of God not of man. Jesus was both the Lamb and the High Priest.
His sacrifice was for us even though we have no part in it.
Now, look at what Jesus said with no bias Luk 24:39: 1. "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: 2. handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have."
Do you have any argument against the scripture above? 1 Peter 3:18 Holman Christian Standard Bible "For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that He might bring you to God, after being put to death in the fleshly realm but made alive in the spiritual realm"
This is as clear as A,B,C. No ambiguity whatsoever.
Greek2227- made alive (quickened). You can only give make alive what has no life. Jesus fleshly life ended. God made Jesus alive (spiritual resurrection) in the spiritual realm, no be rocket science . Romans8:3, God sent his spirit son to earth in the likeness of sinful men (flesh). John 6:51, Hebrews10:10, Jesus sacrifice his body once forever for redemption of man. Mission accomplished.
In what realm will God resurrect his son? Jesus was raised to the life giving spirit 1Peter3:18. 1 Cor15:22,45. Holman Christian Bible 
Go and look at the Scriptures where Greek2227 is in the Greek manuscript and STOP deceiving yourself 
Luke 24:8-39, is it that same body nailed to the stake when he died?. Luke 24:8-40, Jesus transmutated several times after his resurrection  Phillipians 3:20-21, glorified body dwells in heaven (not on earth) in the spiritual realm there is no limitations of the physical realm. His spirit expired (his breath of life ended), Luke 23:46. Psalms 104:29. Not a living being dwelling inside Jesus.
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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 12:28am On Sep 29, 2020 |
Ken4Christ: I quoted their book. I didn't write it. What is stealing? Taking something without the knowledge of the ones who kept it there. God didn't bury Jesus, so why would he take his body without the knowledge of anyone.
Which Scripture supports this lie from the pit of hell?
The Moses example is quite different because it is recorded that God buried him.
Where is it recorded that God took his body.
[b]Besides Jesus said that if they destroy this Temple, he will raise it in three days.
John 2:21 says that he [/b]spake of the temple of his body.
Another lie is to refer the temple of his body to mean the Church. Was the Church ever destroyed. The church hasn't even started as at that time. When was the Church ever destroyed and it was raised in three days.
In order to cover up a lie, you have to tell another lie.
Jehovah Witness group is anti Christ and their destruction is certain. They will join their founder in the very hell they deny its existence and be tormented day and night. Bros show us the Scripture where Jesus raised himself. I WILL be a doctor,is it proof you are a doctor? Continue to deceive yourself.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Teaches That God Stole The Body Of Jesus by Janosky: 12:22am On Sep 29, 2020*. Modified: 1:31am On Sep 29, 2020 |
shadeyinka: I wish you answered the questions and raise your objections to the scriptures given to you. But it is not surprising at all, for that is how you remain blind by ignoring direct scriptures.
Was this what the scripture said? Please read again and stop paraphrasing to suit your conjectures.
There is no Christian who has an objection to the fact that everyone has both a physical body and a spiritual body. Lazarus and the rich man were in their spiritual bodies for instance.
Even God has His Spirit body. Jesus has his Spirit body and Angels have their spirit bodies. Demons have their spirit bodies.
A human being has a Body, Soul and Spirit.
What do you think is the glorified body? 1Cor 15:42-44, Phil3:21
See your lies in bold. Was that what the Bible said or what you which the bible said? Is made alive in the spirit the same as raised a Spirit?
You are just throwing tantrums up and down in no coherent format. Go back and look at the scriptures you ignored to write this.
Does a spirit have flesh?
Let me help you out to understand the memory verse you always misapply. Bros STOP deceiving yourselves  Phillipians 3:20-21 "But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21who, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, [b]will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body"Phillipians 3:20-21, glorified body doesn't not dwell on earth. It is the spirit body for heavenly dwellers. Spirits (for instance,angels) have no flesh unless they transform (change) into flesh (so your eyes can behold them. Luke 24:4,23). If a child is already an adult, why would he transform (change) into adult? According to Shadeyinka, man is already a spirit,why would he transform (change) into a spirit? 1 Cor15:48-50, flesh (humans) bears the image of the one made of dust (1st Adam) can not dwell in heaven (because they don't possess spirit bodies of angels). And vice versa. The matter no concern Lazarus & rich man. STOP deceiving yourself. [/b]  |