BlueAngel444: Children of God have God's nature, but those that make us gods? NO.
God spoke the word into existence. Jesus is called the first begotten, means he came to be, from God. Jesus existed because God willed it so.
Worship means to adore, don't we adore our parents and elders, don't we knee or bow our heads to our leaders to honor them. Don't we praise those who do well.
Note this, when Jesus entered Jerusalem what was said is "blessed is he WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD" and not blessed is the LORD GOD.
1 Corinthians 8:5. John 10:34-36. Psalms 82:1,6. Divine, Yes. But only one ha Elohim (John 17:3. 1Kings18:39), the Father of all, Ephesians 4:6
John said the word was God. If Jesus has God's nature what does that make Jesus? Or you want to tell me a mere creature created All things or Angel's would worship a mere creature? God's nature include self existence, so If Jesus has God's nature it means he self exist.
John 5:26, Jesus Christ says he did not self exist. John 11:27"the Son of God coming into the world"
BlueAngel444: Jesus was a man: the proof of prophets
Before we begin let us read some verses, no matter how many times you read it or the number of translations you read, it is more important to understand the truth than to just read an article.
Message Bible: My dear friends, don't believe everything you hear. Carefully weigh and examine what people tell you. Not everyone who talks about God comes from God. There are a lot of lying preachers loose in the world.
Here's how you test for the genuine Spirit of God. Everyone who confesses openly his faith in Jesus Christ—the Son of God, who came as an actual flesh-and-blood person—comes from God and belongs to God.
You attend meetings, or even a regular member of any meeting, where the speaker is fond of referring to Jesus as a god who on earth who could do and undo, so that you too can do and undo as mini gods, that speaker is not of God and both he and those who follow such one will end up in destruction. Jesus came in humility, lived in humility, died in humility, an example to us of humility that we may live humbly and died in service of others and God and not claim to be a god, and not use the name of God as an excuse for violence.
Some Jews were too proud, so they did not believe in Jesus because Jesus was a man.
John wrote, anyone whose message is that Jesus was a god or a spirit is of the devil.
When I see Christians and Muslims argue about belief especially when they have not studied the Bible and the Koran with humility it's funny how extreme a person can go even when they are wrong. One says you must believe that Jesus is God, the other says, Jesus was a man but he did not rise from the dead or have divine birth. But the record says Jesus a man of supernaturally divine birth, was crucified and he rose. Simple truth but the devil is a master of fractioning the truth. Making you believe part of something while adding something else to it. He removes and adds to God's word.
Jesus was the word of God, before he became flesh and now is the lamb that was slain who is at the right hand of God.
A man can die, God cannot die because God is spirit, John 4:24.
Jesus is the Son of God - correct Jesus is God - wrong Jesus is the Son - wrong
John 10:34-36. Jesus Christ, God's son is a god. 1 Corinthians 3:23 , you belong to Jesus, Jesus Christ himself belongs to God.
Rev3:5, Rev1:5-6, did Jesus confess he is God's son in heaven?
1 Corinthians 8:5. God's sons are gods. The Scriptures can not be broken. 1 Corinthians 8:7 "Not everyone have this knowledge/ understanding"
ggirl4real: Does it change anything if Jesus is God and also the Son of God?
This is the problem I have with the Bible. I'm very sure that people that hold opossing views about Jesus being God or not have Bible verses to back up their stance and will claim that they are being led by the Holy Spirit.
The writers of the Bible should have looked to a way to avoid these ambiguities.
However, whether Jesus is God or only Son of God, the most important thing is that Christians should emulate the lifestyle of Christ so that we can have a better society.
That is my concern.
Rev3:5,12 did Jesus Christ tell you he is God in heaven, spiritual realm? John 20:17, did Jesus Christ tell you he is God in earth?
Do you agree the spiritual realm is stronger than the physical realm?
If you won't accept what Jesus Christ says about himself , do you know Jesus more than he knows himself?
John 20:30:31. John 3:16-18, accurate belief about Jesus Christ is necessary for your salvation. No be joke.
Elineska: I said quote John 1:1 according to your NWT book and instead of doing that you are beating about. You can deceive some people but not everybody.
Bros, you're shamelessly looking for cheap excuses, to console yourself
"Was a god",John 1:1c (NWT) is it not your bone of contention? Did you not see the screenshot of the John 1:1 lexicon? Bros, did our own Bible confirm that the same Greek1510 & Greek 2316 meaning "was a god" is in Acts 28:6 and John 1:1? The same G1510 and G2316 meaning "was a god"
Your triune delusion can not change the holy scriptures. John 10:34-36, according to Jesus Christ,"Jesus is a god."
Come here and lie that the child protection laws of today is the same law in vogue in the 1930s & 1940s.
Rape /child abuse are very sensitive issues and due to several factors (in the screenshot), victims and their kith & kin shy away from reporting this matter to law enforcement authorities, but the OP deliberately misleads the public that "JWs are forbidden by the Organization from reporting"
Since 9years on NL, if he cares so much about rape /child sex abused victims, why is it difficult for him to bring convincing evidences of culprits facing the music as a result of his social activitism ?
rottennaija: When you have genuine love for people around you, you don't wait to be told what to do, you do it, especially something that will help another person out of danger. *[b]*1 When you live with your neighbour, and you see that he is abusing his children (even if it's one child he is abusing), even if the mom cannot report it for fears of the unknown, love moves you to do the needful. By doing so, you protect both the child, the mom and others children that may be at risk since the govt will likely remove the abuser. [/b]
In the Arc, the judge asked Godfrey Jackson is his religion report CSA to the authority, he responded that if the authorities made it such a way that its mandatory to report, it would be easier for them to report. *2 But he forgot that in the USA where there is mandatory reporting in some states, in these state Jw elders are forbidden by the organisation from reporting.
You guys simply lack love for God and neighbours. All your claims about love is in your mouth.
*1 Bros, You done count pass 8 solid years Wailing Upandan about JWs on this NL, & you be great Samaritan loving your neighbor well well. Bros, I challenge you to give this forum, solid evidences for your Child protection activism where you reported rapists/pedophiles and the culprits were severely punished as stipulated by the Laws of Nigeria. Or Rottennaija is super glued to hypocrisy
*2 Rott Wailer and his YouTube accomplices were exposed for LYING,yet he keeps Wailing & LYING
sapphiere: The son of the General Overseer of The Redeemed Christian Church of God Pastor Leke Adeboye put a smile on a corn seller's face this morning as he gifts her the sum of N10,000.00 to help boost her corn business after watching her pray over her charcoal pot.
He took to his IG to share the kind gesture made by him.
God bless the giver and the receiver in Jesus name Amen.
"1Pay attention in your charity giving, that you do it not in front of people so that you may be seen by them, otherwise there is no reward for you with your Father in Heaven. 2When therefore you do your charity giving, you should not blast a trumpet before you like the pretenders in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be glorified by the children of men; truly I say to you, they have received their reward. 3But you, whenever you do charity giving, let not your left know what your right is doing. 4So that your charity may be in secret, and your Father who sees in secret will reward you in public."
Rott wailer have been barking on NL since he stepped foot on NL. No be new thing. The anti JW syndrome giving him sifia pains have no remedy known to medical science.
" From YouTube video, Stephen Lett said "The apostate driven LIES claims Jehovah's Organization is permissive to pedophiles" Mr Lett is very honest.
We can see that Rott Wailer's memory has severe malfunctions he can not remember that his own NL post confirmed that Stephen Lett is very honest and factual.
Let us ask Rott Wailer: "When him cover up yanma yanma under him carpet, is he permissive & protective to yanma yanma?
In other words, according to the YouTube video, when Apostates false claim "JWs protects Pedophiles" , are they saying JWs are permissive to Pedophiles?' The screenshots speaks for itself. You have the choice to believe SPURIOUS claims of Rott Wailer and his YouTube Wailing accomplice at your own risks.
Jeezuzpick: We should do all rebuke in love, and elders should not provoke young men to anger.
*1 The Bible says that, too, you know. The Bible also said since the same fountain cannot produce both sweet water and bitter, the same mouth should not bless and curse.
James 3:9-11 9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
Yet these men regularly place curses on people, and we rejoice that they are doing so. I'm sure you are aware that some of these pastors have cursed even some pastors serving under them among other people they have cursed?
*2 Let us strive to be more and more like Christ Jesus who never cursed anyone nor reviled anyone.
Good job those guys did, by the way, calling Freeze a bastard.
*3 Nice way to win people for Christ.
*1 is North Pole *2 is South Pole. *1 contradiction of *2. *3 bull's eye sarcasm
petra1: It depends . A senior Pastor can reprimand a junior Pastor openly . Everything depends on the gravity of the offense . It could be privately , or could be among Pastors and it can be before congregation
Sometimes private matters are dealt with privately and public matters are dealt with publicly
Thanks, for the reply. The bottom line: Nobody is above correction and reprimand. The Church should discipline the senior pastor who steps out of line (unrepentant indulgence in sins). Except na him business center. Who gave me right to challenge a man running his business center as he likes?
tumzie10: Pastor Enoch Adeboye’s son Leke Adeboye has taken to his Instagram account under Ifedayo Olarinde, better known as Daddy Freeze comment to apologize to his parents. Leke Adeboye, a son of the General Overseer of the Redeemed Christian Church of God, has called on the broadcaster, Ifedayo Olarinde, better known as Daddy Freeze to apologize to his parents. Leke made the comment on Instagram in response to Daddy Freeze’s apology to the founder of Living Faith Church aka Winners Chapel, David Source: Naijapalaba.com
Oyedepo. Daddy Freeze offered the apology after a video showing him insulting Oyedepo two years ago went viral recently. The broadcaster, who is known for propagating controversial Christian messages, had also discredited some of Adeboye’s sermons in the past including a recent one on marriage.
However, Adeboye’s son said he expected Daddy Freeze to also apologize to his parents and threatened to also post old videos showing the broadcaster attacking his parents. He wrote, “I am still waiting for my apologies o (sic).
I am still waiting for Pastor Adeboye and Pastor Folu Adeboye or you want me to go and find the videos?” Daddy Freeze, who is the Convener of the Free the Sheeple Movement and Leader of the Free Nation in Christ, had recently come under attack from several clerics including Senior Pastor, Dunamis International Gospel Centre, Dr. Paul Enenche; the founder of Salvation Ministries, Pastor David Ibiyeomie, and several others for verbally attacking Oyedepo.
The broadcaster has been known to propagate controversial Christian doctrines which include the non-payment of tithes. He has been feuding with several popular and influential clerics and described those who demand tithe as thieves.
Read & study the following Bible verses as well as the screenshots and RECEIVE SENSE. John 1:1 = Exodus 7:1.= John 10:34-36. Yahweh made Moses divine (like God/a god). Jesus Christ says himself is a god (divine/like God). Son of God= Son like God.
petra1: Sure . It depends on who has jurisdiction . You can only do it to someone under you not above you Nice If you have authority over that person sure ! Sacarcim is unnecessary Nathan Was prophet , Prophets can judge kings , prophet make and unmake kings. It’s their jurisdiction
It was his jurisdiction . It was his church . If a man misbehave. In my house I can correct him
Bros, thanks.
1 Timothy 5:20
"Those who sin should be reprimanded in front of the whole church; this will serve as a strong warning to others"
Are Pastors liable to discipline and reprimand before the Church members ? What's your take?
petra1: It is unscriptural to insult or rebuke ministers of God . A new generation seem to be ingnorant of principles of the scripture and the consequences of violating them which carry curses
Psalms 105:15 Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.
Sometimes in this forum I Have heard some ignorant people say that the verse above is for all Isreal and not men of God . If you think so You must have gotten your Theology upside down. Firstly is the whole of Isreal anointed . Is the whole of Isreal prophets ? That verse was making Reference to Patriacts and prophets Abraham and Isaac Before whom God rebuked Kings for touching their wives .
Psalms 105:14-15 14 He suffered no man to do them wrong: yea, he reproved kings for their sakes; 15 Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.
Genesis 26:11 11 And (KING)Abimelech charged all his people, saying, He that toucheth this man or his wife shall surely be put to death.
That explanation should be enough for he wise.
God anointed 3 offices in the Bible days . The king ,The priest and The prophet. God gave instructions to have respect for such. And by That we have no right to insult such men
Exodus 22:28 28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.
Remember that this rulers were ministers anointed by God “priest and prophets
The same way today God has annointed ministers over Gods people .
What if a minister do wrong ? That still doesn’t give us the right to curse or insult them . A minister can only be rebuke by God or someone higher than him but not a surbodinate . I will give you 3 instances In scripture .
MOSES He was the man by who the law came , yet he was the first to brake the law of intermarriage . He married an Ethiopian woman when the wife left him. Aaron and Miriam who were surbodiates Spoke against Moses for his wrong .
Numbers 12:1 1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
God judged them instantly read the rest of the story . Miriam became leprous on this account .
Same things goes for the sons of Korah and elders who stood against Moses for having too much authority claiming that “they are all anointed “
Numbers 16:3 3 And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the LORD is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the LORD?
DAVID AND SAUL
It was evident that Saul was a backsliden King. Even though David had been chose to take over he would not violate scripture principle despite the Fact that Saul wanted to kill him . He had had numerous opportunities to kill Saul but wouldn’t do it because of the anointing upon Saul as head . Especially when his servant Abishai asked David permission to kill Saul
1 Samuel 26:9 9 And David said to Abishai, Destroy him not: for who can stretch forth his hand against the LORD's anointed, and be guiltless?
PAUL Paul once had an incident where the Highpriest ordered him to be slapped . He insulted the highpriest without knowing he was high priest . But when his attention was brought to it , he apologized .
Acts 23:2-5 2 And the high priest Ananias commanded them that stood by him to smite him on the mouth. 3 Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law? 4 And they that stood by said, Revilest thou God's high priest? 5 Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people.
These days we have people especially on this Forum insulting ministers . It is error which carry curses . If a minister did wrong against the law let the law handle the matter , if it’s against God , let God handle the matter . But stop putting your mouth especially in things that’ you may even be wrong about in your own limited understanding
No human is above discipline and correction. Insults no. Rebuke and reprimand/discipline, YES! (Compare Hebrews12:5-9 ).
"Touch not my anointed" has been twisted out of context for selfish,self serving interests. "And Do my profits no harm"
Proverbs 10:17
"Whoever heeds discipline shows the way to life, but whoever ignores correction leads others astray."
Proverbs 12:1
"Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but whoever hates correction is stupid."
The Bible truth is that David was speaking against commiting murder of King Saul.
Did Prophet Nathan not rebuke David, Yahweh's anointed king , for adultery & murder?
Did Paul not rebuke/discipline Peter for strawing away from the gospel of Jesus Christ?
ggirl4real: When I say the Bible is full of confusion, una no go free.
According to the Bible, God created Satan.
So God is Satan's father. Simple.
There is no confusion there. When you born Pikin, you no born Lawyer. Na the action of your Pikin (going to School)go make am be Lawyer. Likewise, God no create Satan but God created angel who make himself Satan.
Sermwell: The concept of religion doesn't make sense to me at all. I have a lot of questions I want to ask but we seem not to be ready for this conversation. One of the questions is the picture attached below. Does anybody feel same or I'm the only one??
cc: lalasticlala cc: Seun
The issues Satan raised during the conversation with Eve required that time must be allowed for the issues to be addressed comprehensively. Genesis2:15-17 , Yahweh gave instructions to Adam. Gen 2:15-17 is the symbol of Yahweh's authority/sovereignty over mankind. Genesis3:1-5, Satan circumvented Yahweh's instructions to Adam, he accused Yahweh of hiding stuff/lying toAdam and Eve. That is, Satan challenged Yahweh's sovereignty. For instance, if someone accused Sermwell of murder and dishonesty. If Sermwell shot the accuser dead, would that disprove the allegations laid against Sermwell? Will everyone present not raise suspicions that you have something to hide? In other words,if Yahweh executed Satan, will it DISPROVE Satan's claim in Gen 3:1-5?
If Yahweh executed Satan, Will the angels present not raise suspicions& believe that Satan had legitimate claims?
engrchykae: [b]which defects? They made mistake in giving out raw truth in kjv,[/b]when they realized their mistake,they brought out watered down versions that looks like novels. If you have kjv,keep it safe,they intend to put it into extinction
sirnoble03: Let me quote an excerpt from the topic you sent
Even when the changes appear to be largely matters of English style, they have the purpose of presenting to the reader more adequately the meaning of the text (see Mt 10.8; 12.1; 15.29; 17.20; Lk 7.36; 11.17; 12.40; Jn 16.9; Rom 10.16; 1 Cor 12.24; 2 Cor 2.3; 3.5,6; etc.).
The Revised Standard Version Bible seeks to preserve all that is best in the English Bible as it has been known and used through the years.
*1 The purpose of the translation and other translations is to help readers to comprehend better based on improvement in English or recovery of more MSS.
*2 I challenge you to read both the KJV and the said RSV (in fact, any other translation) especially the new testament (with open mind) and tell me anywhere the original intent or motive of the speaker is distorted or abrogated.
Google the first Bible and tell me how sweet you find reading it, same with any other materials written in English then. Read William Shakespeare books and tell me how grammatically accurate they are, yet he was arguably the greatest writer of his days. If Christian refuse to revise the Bible solely because it's a Holy Book, then it's not righteousness or religion but being dogmatic and incorrigible.
Our Holy Book is inspired by the Holy Spirit but given and written in Human Languages, therefore it is subjective to been revised periodically with improvement in those languages which 2000+ years history has proven to neither distort the motive of each verse nor reduce it's power by just a bit.
I don't have time to reply your mentions but I challenge you to read the said Bible first and compare the two translations before you comment.
Also do well to check up how readable and compressive your Holy Book is in English despite the multitude of notes added in-between, probably then, you'll appreciate the accuracy of the Bible synergistically, syntactically and spiritually.
Jesus Loves You.
*1 This is where other English Bible versions have remarkable advantage over the KJV. The discovery of more MSS has resulted in a better understanding of Greek Scriptures and proper rendition of the texts into English. For instance,we know that God's name YHWH appeared in the New Testament extensively.
*2 3 examples But many others plenty in KJV
2 Samuel 22:6 'cords of Sheol' (RSV) KJV 'sorrows of hell" (What a deception!)
Psalms 9:17 " wicked shall return to Sheol' (RSV) KJV " wicked shall be turned into hell" (WAYO). Read Psalms 6:5(KJV) to confirm 9:17 na WAYO.
*1John5:7 "there are three that testify" (RSV) KJV "in heaven the Father the Word and the ghost" (man made Fraud).
Elineska: They said "Bible" not some corrupted book that JW is using
Matthew 6:9 NWT "You must pray ,then, this way: Our Father in the heavens,let your name be sanctified."
Bros, which other English Bible is as easy to understood like the NWT? Where is the corruption you placed in it? Or the so called 'corruption' is a figment of your imagination?
Jesus reply Matthew 19:4-6. Supported by Apostle Paul, 1Corinthians7:1-2. Hebrew 13:4. Anything outside monogamy is a sin. Argue with Jesus Christ and his apostle.
Daddy Freeze did the right thing by apologizing for his "baldheaded fowl" statement about 3 years ago. (No be today sef he talk am, the other man's rant is uncalled for.) His apologies proof of maturity on his part.
If una like, continue to console yourselves and bash him, the joke is on you and your Pastorpreneurs who still resort to name calling and insulting him for what he did 3years ago. (But all of una dey use Matthew6:12 dey sing for una Sunday school, SMH!)
Las Las, Daddy Freeze anti tithes messages and other exposures will not be watered down
Emusan: There's no how you people will try to twist the scripture that your lies won't be exposed.
You vividly know that "THE MAN WE ARE OUTSIDE" denotes the FLESHY BODY but only to twist "The man we are INSIDE" when they both have the same phrase.
The two @underlined show that you know the truth but decided to bend it.
It's evident that what Paul is describing is a PERSON inside us using the phrase "MAN - INSIDE" man is conscious so what is INSIDE is also self conscious.
This is clear from your post by using the term "SPIRITUAL PERSON we are inside" and you shot yourself in the foot that way.
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers: "The “outward man,” the material framework of the body, is undergoing a gradual process of decay, but the “inward man,” the higher spiritual life, is “day by day” passing through successive stages of renewal, gaining fresh energies. This verb also, and its derivative “renewal,” are specially characteristic of St. Paul. (Comp. Romans 12:2; Colossians 3:10; Titus 3:5.) The verb in Ephesians 4:23, though not the same, is equivalent in meaning.
Benson Commentary: 2 Corinthians 4:16-17. For which cause — Because of which abounding grace that supports us; we faint not — Under any of our present pressures; but though our outward man — The body; perish — Be worn out and brought to dust prematurely, by our continual labours and sufferings; our inward man — The soul; is renewed day by day — After the divine nature and likeness, receiving fresh degrees of spiritual strength, purity, and consolation, in proportion as the body grows weaker, and we feel our dissolution approaching.
Barnes' Notes on the Bible: But though our outward man perish - By outward man, Paul evidently means the body. By using the phrases, "the outward man," and the "inward man," he shows that he believed that man was made up of two parts, body and soul. He was no materialist. He has described two parts as constituting man, so distinct: that while the one perishes, the other is renewed; while the one is enfeebled, the other is strengthened; while the one grows old and decays, the other renews its youth and is invigorated. Of course, the soul is not dependent on the body for its vigor and strength, since it expands while the body decays; and of course the soul may exist independently of the body, and in a separate state.
Yet the inward man - The soul; the undecaying, the immortal part.
perish—"is wearing away"; "is wasted away" by afflictions.
inward man—our spiritual and true being, the "life" which even in our mortal bodies (2Co 4:11) "manifests the life of Jesus."
Meyer's NT Commentary: 2 Corinthians 4:16. Διό] namely, on account of the certainty expressed in 2 Corinthians 4:14 (partly elucidated in 2 Corinthians 4:15), in significant keeping with εἰδότες, and hence not to be referred back to the faith of the preachers, 2 Corinthians 4:13 (Hofmann).
οὐκ ἐκκακ.] as 2 Corinthians 4:1. The opposite of ἐκκακ. is: our inward man, i.e. our morally self-conscious personality, with the thinking and willing νοῦς and the life-principle of the πνεῦμα (see on Romans 7:22; Ephesians 3:16; comp. 1 Peter 3:4)
Pulpit Commentary: Verses 16-18. - The Christian minister is upheld by hope. Verse 16. - Therefore. Knowing that our daily death is the pathway to eternal life (ver. 14). We faint not (see ver. 1). Though; rather, even if. Our outward man. Our life in its human and corporeal conditions. The inward man. Namely, our moral and spiritual being, that "new man which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him" (Colossians 3:10). Is renewed; literally, is being renewed; i.e. by faith and hope. Day by day. The Greek phrase is not classical, but is a reminiscence of the Hebrew.
Romans12:1-2 I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect. Romans 8:5-7 & Romans 12:1-2, renew your mind, your inner thoughts, to conform to God's righteous standard, that is the point Paul made in 2Corinthians 4:16. Because every wickedness you practice,comes from your inner thoughts. Matthew 15:11,18-20. Renew your heart and mind to conform to everything that Yahweh approves.
Mr LIENUS no get SENSE You can only renew what is old , wearing out or decaying.
Mr LIENUS False claim, the spirit person inside him is decaying ,he renews the decaying spirit like a mechanic changing the carburetor and worn out break pad .
On the other hand, the soul is not a person living inside a man.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Was A Man: The Proof Of Prophets by Janosky: 9:58pm On Sep 18, 2020*. Modified: 10:23pm On Sep 18, 2020
