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Ken4Christ:
*1 You just confirmed you don't believe the Bible.

#2)
Focus on what Jude said. Besides, the destruction talked about was the one the physical eyes can see but Jude said their souls are still suffering in eternal fire.

A patient with covid 19 has hope but there seems to be no hope for all Jehovah Witnesses. Your brains have been washed away. Even when you see clear evidences, you deny them. The one who converted you to this wicked organization has the greater sin.

*1
The WAYO man does not believe Jesus Christ @Luke 17:29-30.
Luke 17:29-30 is not in his Bible

#2)
Luke 17:29-30
29But on the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. 30It will be just like that on the day the Son of Man is revealed"
Jude1:7, Luke 17:29. Gen19:24-29, your Bible says "everlasting fire DESTROYED Sodom and Gomorrah."

Bros, STOP DECEIVING yourself.

Luke 17:29-30 (confirmed Gen19:24-29, Jude1:7), do you ,Ken4 ,know more than Jesus Christ?

Olofin2:
You are a fool. 2nd Thess 3:6 you quoted is not the same in my Bible. You wrote your own Bible calling it Bible. Asiwere

Offpoint1:
Like I said, I have my own believe about "Hell"... If I'm to go with the Sodom and Gomorrah context, then What did the verse 9 of that 2 Thess 1:7-9?
you quoted says?

A lot of Christians have zero or little knowledge of what "Hell" is
Maybe I'll create a different thread for that.

I have my reasons of not quoting Bible verses in my write ups.
There are Bible verses that stated "the wicked will be no more, they'll burn up"

Then there are Bible verses that talks about eternal destruction...

Read the 2Thess 1:7-9 you quoted, focus on the verse 9 and then read Malachi 4:1-5

HOW does the both sound to you?

In real sense humans CAN'T BURN when they are dead, let's assume they appear in the spirit realm. They still CAN'T BURN cause fire have no effects on spirit. You need your humanly body to be able to literally BURN hence the reasons "there will be resurrection of the just and unjust" your sins were committed in the flesh so you'll be punishment in the flesh.
(I know someone will quote me about WEARING OF NEW BODY)

God is just that's why flesh will suffer for its sins and not spirit suffering for the sins of the flesh.

The very Hellfire people talked about will be right here on earth and so will be "heaven"

KNOWMORE56:
No wahala, more are coming, you go defend sotey you go tire and retire

No wahala.

The Bible instructions # 1 Corinthians5:11-13 and 2 Thess3:6 is in your Bible.
JWs neither tire nor retire from defending the Bible such as 2Thess3:6 and 1 Cor 5:11-13, which KNOWMORE56 is kicking against

brocab:
The Jehovah’s Witnesses maintain that Jesus was Michael the archangel prior to his coming to earth. They assert: “Scriptural evidence indicates that the name Michael applied to God’s Son before he left heaven to become Jesus Christ and also after his return” (Aid to Bible Understanding, Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, 1971, 1152)
*1) They arrive at this erroneous belief primarily through a misinterpretation of (1) {Daniel 10:13, 21} where reference is made to a “great prince,” Michael; and (2) {First Thessalonians 4:16} where the Lord Jesus is described as descending from heaven at the sound of the archangel’s voice.
The JWs’ own New World Translation of the Bible reads, ” . . . the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice.”
According to the JWs, Michael is the only angel other than Gabriel mentioned in the Bible, and Michael is the only one who is called an archangel. (*2 The angel Raphael is mentioned in the book of Tobit, but since the Jehovah’s Witnesses sprang from Protestantism, they use the Protestant canon of Scripture, which is missing this Old Testament book plus six others.)
It seems you aren't the one understanding your own teachings, "the JW's are taught-Michael became Jesus on Earth-and after Jesus finished His time on Earth He returned back into Michael-Michael now sits righteous with God-this belief of course-pushes Hebrews out of the way- so how can you believe such trinity theory-when in fact you don't believe two persons can become One.

2) Bros, is Tobit among the 66 books of your holy Bible?
WAYO man , you have Zero connection to Catholicism, you fault their doctrines and now you make FALSE claims as if you love Catholic Bible.
Hypocrisy tie wrapper on your head.

achorladey:
Another DIVERSION to keep the DENIAL going

1Corinthians 9:16 "WOE TO ANYONE if you refuse to obey Matt24:14 & Acts 5:42.

achorladey:
Mr Haeck economizes the truth that is how denial starts

The very deed Achorladey is doing here.
Bros, You still never confirmed if Acts 5:42 is in your Bible

Offpoint1:
I've never in my life believed those who are dead are in heaven or hell. Nobody will make heaven or hell without being judged and we know the Bible stated there will be resurrection of the just and unjust to face judgment at the judgment.
So we are not to be judged twice.

As for hell being scam, I have my own believe.
If there is prison for our earthly crime, then definitely there is a place we all serve punishment after God's judgment.

Bros , no place like at all.
Hellfire is a Scam.
2 Peter 2:6,What is the precedence that Yahweh has set?
Is everlasting fire torturing and tormenting the inhabitants of Sodom & Gomorrah till today?
Compare 2 Thess1:7-9 & Jude1:7,
Luke 17:29-30, Jesus says what happened before will be repeated again.Bros, connect the dots.
What was that, that happened before?
Was it everlasting torture and torment in a fiery furnace?
Luke 17:29-30, believe & listen to Jesus Christ. Don't fall for the hellfire Scam.
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KNOWMORE56:
Tomorrow Nairaland GB would deny any thing like this ever happened.

(*2)Bros, Is the order to excommunicate from the holy scriptures?
Mr Haeck economizes the truth.
"Het Nieuwsblad" Newspaper reported 'he claims'

The Bible instructions @ 1 Corinthians5:11-13 and 2 Thess3:6 is in your Bible.
but Mr Haeck, has already "Swindled" you with a FALSE claim.
Please console yourself, you are allowed.

achorladey:
Can you please point to the scriptures where either the apostle Paul, Peter, James, anyone, even Jesus said to either his disciples or to the congregation or like those written to the congregations in revelation that they must go door to door or lose everlasting life?

This is what is before you

The FAQS of the organization you belong say NO the internal publications of the day to day running of your activities the organization you belong says YES.

That should tell you a lot .

You are still citing scriptures that still didn't address the question raised Face what is before you

Ken4Christ:
Please go back and read the post very well. The ex member involved was not the one who committed sexual immorality. Read the part of the article again;

'Haeck was a member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses for 35 years and was an elder – someone with considerable authority within his local congregation in Ghent. When he exposed a case of sexual abuse within the congregation, he was officially shunned.'

So, he exposed the immorality going on but he was the one that was shunned. That means they did just the opposite.

Even if someone is caught in the act, the discipline is for a while and not forever especially if the person has repented.

Bros note carefully, (*1) Mr Haeck has economized the truth. The man is deceptive. He has not given the ACTUAL REASON for his excommunication. (The Screenshot confirm the man is deceptive.,)
The whole matter go shele for Court Sha... .

Jehovah’s Witnesses use shunning as a tactic to keep members from being disloyal to the group, he claims. “It’s worse than just being excluded,” Haeck told Het Nieuwsblad. “From the highest levels of the organisation comes the order that no one is allowed to talk to you, not even your own family. They declare that this person must be avoided ”

(*2)"Is the order to excommunicate from the holy scriptures?
Mr Haeck still economizes the truth.
Let me ask Ken4 ,did 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 and 2Thess3:6 instruct JWs to excommunicate a "Swindler" (deceptive person) like Mr Haeck?

rottennaija:
No. I don't. It was given to the 12 and then by extension, to all. However, by going by your inability to show proofs that James, Cornelius, the Jailer, the Ethiopian Eunuch did engage in preaching/teaching in the neighbourhood, then not all in the first century participated in preaching.

Also, going by your inability show from the bible that those whom I have listed above were informed of the importance of also going about preaching (that's what a 21st century Jw would do), then not all participated in it.

However, I would want to dig further. Going by books written by your religion, its undeniable that it's clearly stated to supporters and adherents that without going door to door do, the individual will not be saved. Basically, without preaching, no everlasting life. Can you please point to the scriptures where either the apostle Paul, Peter, James, anyone, even Jesus said to either his disciples or to the congregation or like those written to the congregations in revelation that they must go door to door or lose everlasting life?

Rott Wailer, I ask you again, na who do you this thing?


Ezekiel 33:1-8, did Jehovah God set the standard?
1 Tim 4:16, Paul reiterated it to Timothy.
Preaching and practice what you preach will save you and anyone who listens/practice what he LEARNT.
Acts 20:20-21,25-27, Paul attested "he is free from the blood of all men".
Rott Wailer, for what reason ?

1 Corinthians1:21, " what was preached saved those who believed, are those preaching it not believers?

rottennaija:
So you have no proof that he preach in neighbourhood. How the jailer whom Paul preach to? How about the Ethiopian Eunuch who Phillips preach to? How about Cornelus? Is there any one verse in the bible where they were told either by Philip or Paul or Peter that Jesus commissioned them to be preaching and teaching from house to house?

Rott Wailer na who do you this thing?

Acts 5:42

"And everyday in the temple and from house to house they continued without let up teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ"

Offpoint1:
The Christians believe no one will make heaven without Jesus... Their believe I can say is based on John 14:6
" Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me"
.......
I want to ask this question and I need highly spiritual or well knowledge Christians to answer.

During Jesus time on earth, I believe He didn't Journey through the entire earth to preach, nor do the apostles and at that time I believe there were humans who don't even know His existence as at that time due to geographical location.

Where are those people now or where will they be... Heaven or Hell?

Missionaries first landed in Nigeria in the 15th century and this was thousands of years after Jesus existence. Thousands of our ancestors lived and died before the arrival of missionary without the knowledge of Jesus existence.

Where are they now or where will they be... Heaven or Hell?

If your answer is Hell...
If they are in hell because they don't know Jesus, will that still make God JUST in his judgment?

If your answer is heaven...
Explain John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me"
Or explain what Christians mean by "Nobody will make heaven without Jesus"

Righteousness89 I once asked you this questions and for reasons known to you... You ignored.
Your contribution is needed here.


I only focus my questions on those who lived since the birth of Jesus, because if I should take us back to B.C it'll be a long thread.

Cc: Lalasticlala
OAM4J

Ken4Christ:
The solution is not taking them to court but accept Jesus as your Lord and personal Saviour. Then join the family of Christians. Find a Christ believing Church to attend and establish new relationship full of love. Jehovah Witness are not Christians. They are wolves in Sheep's clothing.

I challenge Ken4 to show us where Jesus hosted Judas Iscariot after his rebellion.

Only triune pagan idol worshippers like Ken4 no dey shame to prove their disobedience to 2Thess3:6 and 1Corinthians5:11.

AuntLaVIV:
https://www.bbc.com/igbo/afirika-54228871

"In 2015, T.D. Jakes said that his views on homosexuality and LGBT rights are evolving"
Whereas, Romans1:18-28 is strictly, solidly permanent.

rottennaija:
Published on Dec 22, 2016
Enquête has discovered that the strict rules governing Jehovah's Witnesses work to protect members accused of pedophilia...more than their victims. Troubling stories from alleged victims have allowed us to expose the complex and detailed rules that exert complete control over the lives of members of the Jehovah's Witnesses - rules that often get in the way of justice.
But all over the world, the veil is starting to lift...

Reporter: Pasquale Turbide
Producer: Yanic Lapointe
Cameramen: Sylvain Bourque, Luc Delorme, Jean-Pierre Gandin, Pierre Mainville, Alfonse Mondello, Jean-Philippe Pelletier, Laurent Racine, Nicolas St-Germain
Audio technician: Martin R. Thibault
Editor: Hélène Morin

Uzomacharles:
JW is just kinda confused people...

Why?:


**They call themselves christians but condemn other christians that's not from there congregation

**They preach to christians and unbelievers but won't allow other christians and unbelievers to preach to them...

**They share watchtower,watch heaven bla bla blah etc but won't collect other christians own...

They condemn people fast and is not good


Upon how our Lord Jesus Christ was clean he still took some words from his disciples..

brocab:

I find it strange with the JW's they refuse to believe in the trinity theory-the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are One-
And yet they believe the Archangel Michael was Jesus on earth working side by side with God the Father..
If this was the case-Michael became Jesus on earth-two persons-that became One person-doing everything God told them to do, three persons working together in One accord-we now have a trinity! In this case-a Mocking against the Holy Spirit had be used against the Father and His Son Jesus Christ-then Michael the acting Spirit is used as a force-according to the Watchtower...

FlyingTOMATOE:
Our country is dominate by people who are predominantly either Christians or Muslims. When I get to meet a young lady, they are always curious to know what religion one belongs to. Along the way, when they discover you dont fancy church or mosque, they try to cut ties with you.

How does an irreligious person find a spouse? As an atheist, how do you get a spouse who is able to see beyond religion. I am really sad..

KNOWMORE56:
I want to get something clear about hell,

1. There's hell, it's nothing more than the common grave;

2. God will use fire to punish unrepentant sinners, but the fire won't be everlasting;

3. There's not going to be any fire were human beings will be roasted, God says such thing has never enter His heart;

4. Fire is symbol of the end of the sinners;

5. hell fire is the place sinners are tormented after death till the day of Judgment when they will be judged and cast into the lake of fire.

Please, I need to KNOWMORE

Maximus69, Janosky, dappaD, and any other person who can help me should get in. Thanks.

KNOWMORE56:
Your problem is you hardly answer questions.

If we should replace "common grave" with HELL all places we see it in the Word,

you'll see that the organization had done you more harm than good.

Bros, the Bible truth sets you free and NEVER harms anyone.

I have to use the following screenshot to expose the FALSE claim you can not defend on this thread.
"There is no direct threat of retribution or punishment in Psalms 9:17 ",( Biblehub finish work here pouring Sand on your garri)
The screenshot of Psalms 9:17 dumps your FALSE claim into the Dustbin

Ken4Christ:
Don't digress. I have proven to you that hell fire is real. And it is not the physical grave. The terms use in connection to it doesn't fit a physical grave.

The Bible talks about sorrows of hell.
It also talks about pains of Hell.
It also talks about the gates of hell.
Our Lord Jesus said he has the keys of hell.
Jesus also talks about damnation of hell -Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

The Bible always talks about souls being cast or thrown into hell. Do you throw people into graves? Dead bodies are gently lowered into graves but lost souls are cast into hell.

Besides, it is humans that bury people in graves but there is nowhere that humans throw people into hell in the Bible.

I could go on and on.

The Bible talks about the "cords of Sheol" not your man made sorrow of hellfire HOGWASH DUBIOUSLY inserted into 2Samuel22:6 !

WAYO man, @ Matthew 23:33, Jesus Christ used the word Gehenna not your fake hellfire.

I challenge you to bring PROOF of any living person perpetually tortured and tormented in Gehenna

rottennaija:
Jehovah’s Witnesses to face trial for discrimination and incitement to hate

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12367646_jehovahswitnesses_jpegaadfed984493d700b403c21fe37e0345
BELGIUM
17:02 16/09/2020

The Belgian congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses attended a hearing yesterday in criminal court in response to charges of discrimination based on religious beliefs and incitement to hatred. It is the first time that the Jehovah’s Witness are being tried in a criminal court anywhere in the world.

The congregation, which is based in Kraainem, is being given several months to prepare their case; the trial begins next February. The case follows a five-year investigation by a court magistrate in Ghent in response to complaints filed by Patrick Haeck, an ex-member.

“It’s an important precedent,” Haeck told VRT. “How is it possible that a religious community can commit a crime under the guise of freedom of religion?”

Haeck was a member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses for 35 years and was an elder – someone with considerable authority within his local congregation in Ghent. When he exposed a case of sexual abuse within the congregation, he was officially shunned.

‘Shunning’

Jehovah’s Witnesses use shunning as a tactic to keep members from being disloyal to the group, he claims. “It’s worse than just being excluded,” Haeck told Het Nieuwsblad. “From the highest levels of the organisation comes the order that no one is allowed to talk to you, not even your own family. They declare that this person must be avoided because they have a mental illness that is contagious.”

Several more former Witnesses have joined the complaint, and stories have flowed out from former members who have been shunned. Cecile Temmerman was a Witness for 35 years when her son began to ask critical questions of the congregation's elders.

“I knew hundreds of people in the congregation; almost every day someone came over to visit,” she told Het Nieuwsblad. “From one day to the next, everyone turned their back on me.” She means that literally and figuratively: Witnesses physically turn away from members who are being shunned.

‘In the hands of Satan’

“At a meeting, everyone was warned that my family was in the hands of Satan,” continued Temmerman. “I had literally no one left in my life; the Witnesses make sure that you have no social contact outside the organisation – including family. Even my very best friend wouldn’t speak to me any more. I sank into a depression.”

The prosecutor in Ghent is bringing four charges again the Belgian congregation: for inciting discrimination on the basis of religious beliefs against a person and against a group, and inciting hatred or violence against a person and against a group.

While Jehovah’s Witnesses have been the target of civil court cases before, this is the first time an entire congregation has ever been charged with a crime. Haeck hopes this will set a precedent in other countries.

“Not only for Jehovah’s Witnesses but other religious organisations as well,” he said. “There is a strict separation of church and state. Now that there is more attention being paid to religious extremism, we have to ask ourselves where we draw the line, at what point the state must become involved.”

Photo ©Nicolas Maeterlinck/BELGA

Written by Lisa Bradshaw

https://www.thebulletin.be/jehovahs-witnesses-face-trial-discrimination-and-incitement-hate

doggedfighter:
Those people can make your life miserable if you leave their cult. Nice one from Belgium.

Emusan:
Because your own God is a man.

The WORD OF GOD is ALIVE says the Holy scripture!

Continue to DECEIVE yourself!



Quote those verses from anywhere and paste it here and highlight where THE WORD said to be a TITLE as God's appointed Spokesman.



What does this mean?

times past, the Prophets were the Word of God (conveying his instructions), now Jesus is the Word of God (teaching, conveying his Father's message, instructions etc) to us.
John 7:16 , John 15:15 what I teach belongs to God who taught me & sent me.

Jesus is the lamb of God, is Jesus an animal called 'Lamb'? (Use your brain, Mr LIENUS ).


In the same manner, Jesus is not the voice or word spoken by Yahweh.
John 17:17 ,Luke9:35 confirmed it.
@1Cor15:42-49 Jesus the second Adam is God's Son (@John11:27, Romans8:3,32) "coming into the world"
Bros, Enjoy your delusion

xproducer:
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I only meant it sarcastically... however, "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen." - Revelation 1:7


"For I know that my Redeemer lives, And He shall stand at last on the earth;" - Job 19:25

John 20:17 , Jesus Christ says you are definitely DECEIVING yourself.
Your deity says he is ascending to his God our heavenly Father, you no get SENSE?

Image123:
Image123:


Jehovah wickedness on the beat

Who are these guys, you seem to know them a lot? You mean atheists don't blaspheme? You need some eye salve.

rottennaija:
Did watchtower forbid JWs from reporting child sexual abuse to police because said them "it will bring dishonor to Jehovah"?

Did they tell the to leave matters in Jehovah's hands when they accusers deny?

Have they disfellowship a Jw because he reported to csa to the authorities?

Do they invoke clergy pertinent privileges to avoid mandatory reporting?

Have Jw elders made anonymous calls to police from a phone booth informing them of a supposed abuser in an unknown location (after they learnt of an abuser in their mist) to give an impression of complying to reporting laws?

**************

Since you have decided to play smart by misforming people who don't know. My post from now on will be based on those CSA cases that had been taken to court.

They will be taken from
https://watchtowerdocuments.org/
https://silentlambs.org/
And other relevant sources.

Meanwhile, you should see this videos because that will tell you the gravity of csa among JWs since your beloved watchtower and its government continues to keep you guys in the dark


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZDNk_x87Rw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toAGfAizrqk

Emusan:
Your claim from the OP is that Jesus is A MAN, that was why I asked those questions.



If Jesus is THE WORD of God, does God's WORD different from GOD?

Does God and His Word two separate entities or Just still one entity?

Does it mean the second Adam wasn't a SPIRIT in the first place?

God is not a man only mean God's nature is different from man's nature but does not invalidate that Jesus is both God and man. John 1v1,18