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xscoffy:
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Bros, upgrade am to at least #3m to #4m, then you can get lucky....

Hairyrapunzel:
Abstain from sex means abstain from every form of sex whereas abstain from blood means abstain from only allogenic whole blood and major fractions/components of blood transfusion. Lol

Your abstain from blood doesn't include abstaining from autologous blood transfusion aka bloodless surgery and minor fractions/components of blood. Lol.


Is like your jehovah aka gb are high on something


BP ke? Is you that is having anxiety disorders and depression because it's getting clear in your eyes that its nathan knorr that made the blood transfusion ban and not jesus christ.


If it was jesus christ we won't be looking for it in the bible and some fraudulent humans won't decide the kind of blood transfusion to abstain from and accept. Lol

It's that all ? Lols....
********
It's you ARA ADIGHI RAPU that's "having anxiety disorders and depression because you rant out your FRUSTRATIONS & DEPRESSIONS over what JWs do or don't do... that is your only preoccupation.
You no get other work..
*******
Have you ever taken the tally of all your posts on NL forum?
You're over- obsessed with JW matters , that's where you get your erections.... Everyone here knows YOU'RE VERY SICK !!!!!
***********
Whatever JWs do is between them and Jehovah God, NONE EVER is accountable to you, nor do we infringe on your rights.
If you like go hug any DISCOs transformer, we no send you......
Since JWs kicked you out, you've been stuck for life!
Come back here & vent your Psychotic FRUSTRATIONS , Ara adighi rapu.
FRUSTRATED, BROKEN HEARTED PSYCHO...
Tueh !!!!!!!

Hairyrapunzel:
The apostles risked their lives for their beliefs and other people killed them.

Bible never said that the apostles killed themselves or other Christians because of their beliefs but rather where killed by other non believers.


Just to justify murder of children done by their parents because of their assumption called beliefs you start to spew rubbish.


Did Stephen refuse a medical treatment called blood transfusion because of his beliefs? No

Did other apostles opt for death of their children or themselves because of a medical treatment called blood transfusion? No

Did anyone in the bible refuse medical treatment called blood transfusion for themselves or their kids because of their beliefs? No


So you can not be talking how christ values obedience to his beliefs.

Take it or leave it.
Jesus Christ, his disciples risked their lives for their beliefs, like wise JWs...same principles.

Acts 20:24-25
"But I don't place any value on my own
life..."
**********

Philippians 2:30
because he nearly died for the work of
Christ, risking his life...."

Phil2:8,Jesus risks his own life to the point of death"
That's the point.
"Abstain from sex", simple instruction with many ramifications.

" Abstain from blood" simple instructions with many ramifications..

Even the blood transfusions propaganda you dey champion, is it risks free ?
The mad blood you received long ago still dey disturb you ara adighi rapu....
Blood transfusions kills, medical researchers prove it, this painful truth dey burst your brain.

"Abstain from blood", your Bible commands. JWs gladly stick to it.
Only God can judge JWs , not a psychopath like you who gleefully mock the death of your fellow man because you're EVIL minded.
JW matter dey give you High BP...
Go & check your BP, it's not normal.
No go mind your business... your brain's overheating....
kpele....

Hairyrapunzel:
A sane human being will never let any religious law take precedence over saving his child's life or his own life.

A sane person cannot hold on to beliefs that cause death.

LIAR !
Jesus Christ & his apostles proved you wrong !
Hairy ara adighi RAPU..... Idiotic pagan.
***********
The beliefs of Apostle Paul and Stephen caused their deaths,they risks their lives and refused to renounce their beliefs to save their lives.
Still, other disciples risked their lives for their beliefs.
*******
Acts 20:24-25
"But I don't place any value on my own life. I
want to finish the race I'm running. I want to
carry out the mission I received from the
Lord Jesus-the mission of testifying to the
Good News of God's kindness."
**********
Acts 21:13
Then Paul answered, "Why are you weeping
and breaking my heart? I am ready not only
to be bound, but also to die in Jerusalem for
the name of the Lord Jesus.."
**********
Philippians 2:30
because he nearly died for the work of
Christ, risking his life to make up for your
deficit of service to me.
***********
Stephen> Acts 7:1-60.
All these men copied that example from Jesus Christ

Phil 2:8
"And being found in fashion as a man, Jesus
humbled himself and became obedient unto
death, even the death of the cross {Gr.
stauros – stake}."

Matt 10:32-40, Jesus Christ says your beliefs are more important than your life or family ties.
For the prospect of eternal life, obedience was more important to Abraham than the life of his son. Hebrew 11:17-19

Christ values obedience to his beliefs as more valuable than his own life.

**************
Fairweather NL Churchians & mumu pagans pretending to be Christian.

Hairyrapunzel:
baby killer.

Who told you people don't survive brain tumour and leukaemia?

See someone calling another person a nutcase o lol.

You that doesn't see anything wrong in killing your babies because of law dead nathan knorr made in 1945. Lol


As children died it's making you happy lol.

Whether you like it or not you will still die like them. You will still not see any paradise earth. You will die waiting just like your founding fathers.


You people will be happy to see people die in obedience to your gb man made beliefs.


No wonder one of your gb said he will be beside jesus during armageddon slicing/slaughtering/killing wicked/worldly people because refused to join watchtower organisation and unquestionably obey the old uninspired fallible men who err in doctrinal matters and organisational direction ruling the religion. Lol


When people die from refusing blood transfusion it makes you happy. You are a Psychopath

A Sane person can not do what hairyrapunzel had been doing here.
Hairyranpunzel has been gleefully mocking and celebrating the death of adults and children alike who have never done him any wrong, simply because they hold a belief he does not subscribe to.
No sane person does that.
Hairyrapunzel has demonstrated he's a psychopathic ,intolerant bigot and a demon.
The blood of psychopaths was transfused into you & your heart and thoughts are EVIL.

This other thread is solid proof:
https://www.nairaland.com/3486648/
what-spiritual-implication-blood-
transfusion/3
Hairy ARA ADIGHI RAPU.....
Tueh !!!!!!

OLAADEGBU:
Cults! An outline analysis

Cults are everywhere. Some are mainstream and widely accepted. Others are isolationist and hide from examination at great expense. They are growing and flourishing. Some cause great suffering while others appear very helpful and beneficial. Which ever group it is, the ultimate end is their destruction when the Lord returns to claim His own.

1. What is a cult?

1.1. Generally, it is a group that is unorthodox, esoteric, and has a devotion to a person, object, or a set of new ideas.

1.1.1 New Teaching - has a new theology and doctrine.

1.1.2. Only True Teaching - often considers traditional religious systems to be apostate and it alone possesses the complete truth.

1.1.3. Strong Leadership - often an individual or small but powerful leadership group holds control of the group’s teachings and practices.

1.1.4. Asset Acquirement - often requires tithing and/or property transfer to the religious system.

1.1.5. Isolationist - to facilitate control over the members physically, intellectually, financially, and emotionally.

1.1.6. Controlling - exercises control over the members. Sometimes this is through fear, threatening loss of salvation if you leave the group. Sometimes through indoctrination.

1.1.7. Indoctrination - possesses methods to reinforce the cult's beliefs and standards where opposing views are ridiculed and often misrepresented.

1.1.8. Apocalyptic - to give the members a future focus and philosophical purpose in avoiding the apocalypse or being delivered through it.

1.1.9. Experience - various practices including meditation, repetition of words and/or phrases, and 'spiritual' enlightenment with God are used as confirmation of their truth.

1.1.9.1. Deprivation - sleep and food deprivation which weakens the will of the subject.
1.1.9.2. This is uncommon, though practiced by more severe cults.

10. Persecution - predictions of being persecuted, often combined with claiming any opposing views demonstrated against them as a form of persecution.

https://carm.org/cults-outline-analysis

If you realise that your church practises one or a combination of the above points and you feel it does not justify it to be a cult please give us your reasons.

Olaadegbu confirms deeper life is a cult..
No wahala

Hairyrapunzel:
**1)
That is one out of the 27 children who killed themselves for their leaders.

(**2)
I am one of the billions that got blood transfusion and survived without complications.

(***1)
g 94 12 / 8 p . 30
From Our Readers
Awake!—1994
From Our Readers
Faithful Youths I was touched by the
series
“Youths Who Put God First.” (May 22,
1994)
When I was a teenager, I had a brain
tumor.
As one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, I told
the
doctors: “I don’t want to take a blood
transfusion.” Although a court order
was
obtained to force blood on me, the
surgery
went well without it. As I read about
these
faithful young servants of God, I had
tears in
my eyes. They had been through the
same
experience as I! Their stories have
touched
my heart and strengthened my love for
God.
M. P., United States
***************
Since I suffer from an incurable form of
leukemia, the experiences of young
ones
who have proved their devotion to
Jehovah
were quite encouraging to me as an
adult.
Many thanks.
H. K., Austria"

** Hairy ARA ADIGHI RAPU is too sick to read & comprehend... You just dey type anyhow...

****2).
Just dey deceive yourself.
Numerous testimonials on NL forum already testified that your sanity is off key and very suspect..... definitely!!
Who knows whether na nutcase donor recipient you be.... You know say that time, BT procedures get more loopholes than now.....

This other thread is solid proof:
https://www.nairaland.com/3486648/what-spiritual-implication-blood-transfusion/3

Hairy ARA ADIGHI RAPU.....

Hairyrapunzel:
**1)
That is one out of the 27 children who killed themselves for their leaders.

(**2)
I am one of the billions that got blood transfusion and survived without complications.

(***1)
g 94 12 / 8 p . 30
From Our Readers
Awake!—1994
From Our Readers
Faithful Youths I was touched by the
series
“Youths Who Put God First.” (May 22,
1994)
When I was a teenager, I had a brain
tumor.
As one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, I told
the
doctors: “I don’t want to take a blood
transfusion.” Although a court order
was
obtained to force blood on me, the
surgery
went well without it. As I read about
these
faithful young servants of God, I had
tears in
my eyes. They had been through the
same
experience as I! Their stories have
touched
my heart and strengthened my love for
God.
M. P., United States
***************
Since I suffer from an incurable form of
leukemia, the experiences of young
ones
who have proved their devotion to
Jehovah
were quite encouraging to me as an
adult.
Many thanks.
H. K., Austria"

** Hairy ARA ADIGHI RAPU is too sick to read & comprehend... You just dey type anyhow...

****2)
Numerous testimonials on NL forum already testified that you sanity is off key.....

Hairyrapunzel:
By killing their babies, children and themselves means that they persevere to the end? I no fit laff.



After yourself and your colleagues finished lying that babies don't have rights to their life and parents can refuse blood transfusion in developed countries.

You later brought out reference for only mature minors. Lol

Una no know say babies children and immature and even mature minors na government children in developed countries when someone exposed your lies you kept quiet.

Keep killing your kids in Nigeria. Your gb will never kill theirs. In fact they cant refuse blood transfusion on their babies when doctors say it is needed.

LIAR....

HAIRY ARA ADIGHI RAPU ,kpele...
you done take that pill to cool your sick brain
tonight?
*****************

October 26, 2017
Open-Heart Surgery Achieves Success
Without Blood Transfusions
By SharingMayoClinic
Teamwork and careful planning allowed for
successful surgery to treat a congenital
heart defect in an infant who, for religious
reasons, could not receive blood
transfusions or blood products.
When RaeLynn Gehrke was born in
December 2016 with a complex heart
condition called tetralogy of Fallot , her
parents knew they were up against a
difficult situation.
The family, who live in Bemidji, Minnesota,
learned that an operation was required to
correct the malformations caused by
RaeLynn's condition. However, as Jehovah's
Witnesses whose faith prevents them from
receiving blood transfusions, her parents
knew that the standard of care for most
patients would not be acceptable for
RaeLynn.
Recognizing the family's concerns and the
complex circumstance it put them in, the
pediatric cardiologist treating RaeLynn in
Fargo, North Dakota, connected them with
Mayo Clinic cardiovascular surgeon Sameh
Said, M.D. Following months of careful
planning and a coordinated effort among a
team of clinicians, on July 17, 2017, the
infant was able to undergo open-heart
surgery at Mayo Clinic's Rochester campus
using a procedure that was in line with the
family's beliefs.
"It was really an example of an extraordinary
team effort," Dr. Said says of the successful
surgery — the first of its kind in a pediatric
patient at Mayo Clinic.
The teamwork RaeLynn's parents saw in
action and the communication among the
team members assured them their daughter
would receive the highest caliber of care.
"They realized our fears going into it," says
RaeLynn's mother, Summar Gehrke. "We
knew how confident and determined they
were to not only get the procedure done
safely but without any blood."
Perfecting the plan
When Dr. Said received the request to
consult on RaeLynn's case, his first thought
was that the operation was technically
possible, but it would take careful planning.
"How can we do it and keep the results
excellent and make sure the child is safe?"
Dr. Said says. "We thought if we had the
right team and preparation, we'd be able to
do the operation with minimal risks."
Dr. Said assembled a team of specialists
that included Caitlin Blau, in cardiac
perfusion, Paul Stensrud, M.D. , in cardio-
thoracic anesthesia, nurse practitioner
Corissa Hebb, Grace Arteaga. M.D. , in
pediatric critical care, and medical secretary
Rachel Johnson. The group's focus became
devising a surgical strategy for RaeLynn, the
team's most important player.
"Cardiac surgery is really a team sport,"
says Dr. Stensrud. "We normally work in
teams and sometimes teams of teams,
depending on what we need to do. This was
focused on the cardiac surgical team, but
there was a lot more communication than
usual."
"We thought if we had the right team and
preparation, we'd be able to do the
operation with minimal risks." — Sameh
Said, M.D.
Babies who require open-heart surgery and
are placed on cardiopulmonary bypass —
sometimes called the heart-lung machine —
receive blood products during surgery.
Blood is added to the heart-lung machine to
maintain hemoglobin levels and decrease
the hemodilution that can result from the
machine, especially in babies, due to their
small blood volume.
People who have heart surgery also are
often given blood transfusions to counteract
the blood lost during the operation and the
blood draws required for laboratory
measurements used to guide therapy during
and after the operation.
"We had to modify every single step during
that time," Dr. Said says.
Devising a surgical plan that wouldn't
involve blood products or transfusions
began with determining what was
acceptable to RaeLynn's parents.
"The parents were very knowledgeable and
were very specific," Dr. Said says. "Her mom
asked me to basically write the protocol
exactly how we were going to do this case.
So we did that and emailed her. That was
even before we met face-to-face."
In addition to sending RaeLynn's parents
details of the surgical protocol, several
phone calls were made between Dr. Said,
and Summar and Frank Gehrke, RaeLynn's
father. That measure further increased
RaeLynn's parents' confidence in her Mayo
Clinic physicians.
Redefining open-heart surgery
Months before
the surgery date,
the plan was put
in motion. It
started with
RaeLynn taking
iron
supplements
and the
hemoglobin-
enhancing medicine erythropoietin. Those
measures helped the baby's bone marrow
produce high levels of red blood cells, which
meant that she had more blood than typical
patients going into the surgery.
Perfusionist Caitlin Blau, who was
responsible for operating the heart-lung
machine during the surgery, used a formula
that determined how low RaeLynn's
hemoglobin would fall if no blood was used,
and then calculated what her starting value
had to be to sustain life.
"We found that in order to do the procedure,
we needed a hemoglobin between 15 and
16," Blau says.
The day of the surgery, RaeLynn's
hemoglobin was in that range at 16 grams/
deciliter (g/dL). But her hemoglobin level
wasn't the only hurdle the team had to
handle.
"For newborns and infants, it's the norm to
prime the machine with someone else's
blood, so that made this case particularly
challenging," Blau says.
Instead of blood, a crystalloid solution was
used to fill the machine's tubing and
reservoir. The heart-lung machine itself was
also modified with smaller tubing and was
positioned close to RaeLynn to make the
tubing as short as possible. These changes
minimized the volume of blood moving out
of RaeLynn, into the machine, and then back
into her body.
"For newborns and infants, it's the norm to
prime the machine with someone else's
blood, so that made this case particularly
challenging." — Caitlin Blau
"Another critical discussion revolved around
the blood we normally draw for certain labs
throughout the case. We decided as a team
the minimum amount we could do, the
better," Blau says. "I drew less than I
normally would, while still safely monitoring
RaeLynn's lab values."
When the procedure was over and the
surgery successfully completed, RaeLynn's
hemoglobin count was 12 g/dL — higher
than the 10 g/dL she had before she was
given the iron and erythropoietin
supplements prior to surgery.
Envisioning a better standard of care
Even with all of the preparations, RaeLynn's
parents were ready to face complications.
"We were prepared for something to go
wrong. So when everything went so well, we
were so relieved and so happy," Summar
says.
Just two days after having her chest opened
and her malformations corrected, the baby
was happy and smiling. At RaeLynn's two-
week post-operative visit, her doctors
declared that "her ticker was working great,"
Summar says.
"We are so thankful for the care taken by the
whole team. Her doctors and all of her
nurses took such good care of our little girl
and stayed so respectful of our beliefs,"
Summar says. "They had such great
communication with us from the beginning
to the end of the entire process."
Franks says that since her operation,
RaeLynn has grown tremendously. She's
become stronger, has more energy, and her
personality has blossomed.
"We are so thankful for the care taken by
the whole team. Her doctors and all of her
nurses took such good care of our little girl
and stayed so respectful of our beliefs." —
Summar Gehrke
The experience has not only enabled
RaeLynn's development but has advanced
her physicians' knowledge about this kind of
unique surgery.
"Transfusions can be lifesaving, but
transfusions are not without risks," says Dr.
Stensrud. "This was a learning experience
because we can adapt everything we did
here."
Indeed, the future of neonatal and infant
cardiac surgery may look much like the
example set by RaeLynn's surgery, adds
Blau.
"This case really highlights the fact that we
can do this," she says.' "

Hairyrapunzel:
The ones that refused blood transfusion and still died nko?

Canadian research at least did not say that the critically I'll patient who did not receive blood transfusion at all did better.

Last last the Canadian researchers never said blood transfusion is bad and in critical conditions they shouldn't use them.

.

HAIRY ARA ADIGHI RAPU ,kpele...
you done take pill to cool your sickness tonight?
*********
Jehovah's Witnesses who refuse blood
transfusions ...
https://www.cbsnews.com › news › jehov

AP
(CBS News) New research shows that
Jehovah's Witnesses who refuse blood
transfusions after cardiac surgery are at no
greater health risks than people who
undergo the procedure.
The study, which was published in the
Archives of Internal Medicine on July 2,
intended to look at patients who do not
undergo blood transfusions after cardiac
surgery. Because Jehovah's Witnesses
believe on religious grounds that they are
not supposed to ingest the blood of another,
they made ideal test subjects.
The study looked at 48,986 non-Witnesses
who had blood transfusions and 322
Witnesses who refused to have blood
transfusions who all underwent cardiac
surgery between 1983 to 2011. After
matching the patients up by similar cases,
RESEARCHERS FOUND BOTH GROUPS HAD SIMILAR RISKS FOR DYING AT THE HOSPITAL . However,
Witnesses had lower chances of having
additional operations for bleeding, renal
failure and sepsis compared with non-
Witnesses who received transfusions."
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"It behooves us to examine more closely
some Jehovah Witness processes of care
and implement them in our routine
surgeries," study author Dr. Colleen Koch, a
cardiothoracic anesthesiologist at Cleveland
Clinic in Ohio, said to HealthDay.
Witnesses spent less time in the intensive
care unit and less time in the hospital than
the other group. They also had higher
survival rates compared to the people who
were non-witnesses at 95 percent and 89
percent respectively. Both groups had close
20-year survival rates (34 percent versus 32
percent).
According to the Mayo Clinic, blood
transfusions can cause a number of health
complications, including allergic reactions,
fevers, lung injury, spread of bloodborne
infections and acute immune hemolytic
reaction - a rare transfusion reaction in
which a person's body attacks the new
blood because it's not the proper type. But,
HealthDay points out that screening
techniques introduced in the 1990s have
made it safer than it previously was.
Transfusion is typically ordered because of
the risk of anemia - which the National
Institutes of Health defines as a condition
where the body does not have enough red
blood cells. Anemia can cause the person to
feel tired or weak, have headaches and
shortness of breath, as well as problems
concentrating or thinking.
Dr. Victor A. Ferraris, a professor of
cardiothoracic surgery at the University of
Kentucky, wrote in an accompanying
commentary that the study shows that it
might do doctors well to look at their own
practices.
"The findings of this analysis by Pattakos
and colleagues add to the increasing data
that suggest that more conservative use of
blood transfusions would be in our patients'
interest, in both Witnesses and non-
Witnesses," he stated.
But, Dr. Gregory Fontana, chair of
cardiothoracic surgery at Lenox Hill Hospital
in New York City, warns HealthDay that the
results don't indicate that we should expand
the findings to everyone.
"just because this paper is published, we
cannot willy nilly start treating everyone like
Jehovah's Witnesses," he told HealthDay. "It
does provide further evidence that
transfusion with real indication carries a risk
that heretofore has been underestimated."

*******
Hallelujah, Praise Jah !!!

Emusan:
Devil is a liar and father of it all....

If you can't provide a single place where I've created a thread that supported "Once saved always saved" or where I start jumping from one thread to another claiming "Once saved always saved" then you'll continue to be who you are!

The son of your father, the devil!

But the irony part of it is that you people don't have a single shame, when you were caught red handed lying instead to tender apology you'll keep wallowing in your evil conscience trying to justify your wicked act. REPENT!!!

Straw man post.
Do you agree with these scriptures, the words spoken by Jesus Christ, which are "rants" to you ?

Matt 24:12-14
12 Because of the multiplication of
wickedness, the love of most will grow
cold.
13 But the one who perseveres to the
end
will be saved. 14 And this gospel of
the
kingdom will be preached in all the
world as
a testimony to all nations, and then the
end
will come.…
***************
Matthew 10:22
You will be hated by everyone on
account of
My name, but the one who perseveres
to the
end will be saved.
************
Luke 21:19
By your patient endurance, you will
gain
your souls.
************
Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my
name's sake: but he that endureth to
the end
shall be saved.
***********
Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my
name's sake: but he that shall endure
unto
the end, the same shall be saved"
****************
Those scriptures are mere " rants" to Emusan.

OLAADEGBU:
Does JW believe and teach what the KJV states in 2 John 5:7 and John 1:1?

Olaadegbu is not a follower of Jesus Christ and does not study the holy Bible.
He reads a satanic verse of 2 John5:7, not the holy Bible.
Olaadegbu wayo man will bring the textus receptus FRAUD to this thread, he won't disappoint to post the FRAUD.

Greek Theos= a god/God.
John1:1"The word was Theos (a god/God)."

Olaadegbu wayo man.

Hairyrapunzel:
Last last see kids that died refusing blood transfusion. Killer religion.

These young people are very brave to stand up for their beliefs with firm conviction.
They have faith like Abraham's. Heb11:17-19.
They are not cowardly bigot like you who showcase your insanity on NL.


g 94 12 / 8 p . 30
From Our Readers
Awake!—1994

From Our Readers
Faithful Youths I was touched by the series
“Youths Who Put God First.” (May 22, 1994)
When I was a teenager, I had a brain tumor.
As one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, I told the
doctors: “I don’t want to take a blood
transfusion.” Although a court order was
obtained to force blood on me, the surgery
went well without it. As I read about these
faithful young servants of God, I had tears in
my eyes. They had been through the same
experience as I! Their stories have touched
my heart and strengthened my love for God.
M. P., United States
***************

Since I suffer from an incurable form of
leukemia, the experiences of young ones
who have proved their devotion to Jehovah
were quite encouraging to me as an adult.
Many thanks.
H. K., Austria

Emusan:
How does this your rant address my post?

Read my post again and again and see whether it correlates with your reply...



Remember to pick your sense from GB next time




Oponu...
Can you show me anywhere on this forum I claim "once saved always saved"

Liar like your father devil!

I know say you go lie your "once saved always saved" is not your belief...

OLAADEGBU:
The article was about contaminated blood that was used it did not say all blood banks are contaminated. This is what you get when you cannot understand simple statements because of your constant brainwashing that has done a lot of damage to your reasoning.

Olaadegbu LIAR.
blood transfusions kills...
**************
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/
transfusions-kill-patients-say-
doctors-1070012.html
Transfusions kill patients, say doctors
Jeremy Laurance |
@
jeremylaurance
|
|
BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS given routinely to
tens of thousands of critically ill patients
may be killing them, doctors have found.
Canadian researchers have found that giving
extra blood, despite its essential role in
maintaining life, can cause more harm than
good in those who have been thought in
greatest need of it.
The unexpected finding, from a study of
more than 800 critically ill patients, will
deliver a serious blow to the idea of accident
victims being stretchered into hospital with
a bag of life-giving blood suspended above
them.
Doctors had assumed that any means of
boosting oxygen supply to the body's
tissues in those who were seriously ill
would improve their chances of survival. But
the Canadian research shows that critically
ill patients who received more blood were
up to twice as likely to die as those who
received less......"

Emusan:
How does this rant address my post?

You forgot to pick your brain from your GB before you reply bah

Jesus words to his disciples, "he who strives, endures/persevere to the end is the one that will be saved" ,those scriptural references confirmed Emusan lacks sense.
Go & quarrel with Jesus, him say your "once saved always saved" na FRAUD.
JWs who persevere to the end will be saved,
100% confident !!!!
Go & check your PB

Hairyrapunzel:
What of the ones that blood transfusion didn't kill and the ones that received uncontaminated blood transfusion?

What of the ones bloodless surgery and medicine killed in the course of using them as lab rats?

Lol

What of the "lab rats" your 'life saving' blood transfusions claimed their 'life ?
The so called ' BT life saving' with out any issues propaganda has been claiming lives since the practice began.
"Abstain from blood" is a scriptural injunction & how JWs follow it is none of your bizness !!
I say I don't want BT, it's my right & my choice, RESPECT IT.
JWs don't owe you anything for the position
we take on any issues, after all, you no be God.
From bigotry to insanity.
Go get a life jare.....

Emusan:
I thought it's ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses are the only Christian"

So why does your definition now has "ANYONE WHO IS STRIVING"

You'll see how the deluded JWs will respond...



Oh oh....you're still trying and working towards getting approval....yet you behave like God to have known the end from the beginning.

Emusan no get sense......
You get so worked up for nothing as if JWs owe you anything....
You no know your problem.... Lols

Matt 24:12-14
12 Because of the multiplication of
wickedness, the love of most will grow cold.
13 But the one who perseveres to the end
will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the
kingdom will be preached in all the world as
a testimony to all nations, and then the end
will come.…
***************
Matthew 10:22
You will be hated by everyone on account of
My name, but the one who perseveres to the
end will be saved.
************
Luke 21:19
By your patient endurance, you will gain
your souls.
************
Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my
name's sake: but he that endureth to the end
shall be saved.
***********
Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my
name's sake: but he that shall endure unto
the end, the same shall be saved"

CaveAdullam:
After John 14:9-11, Thomas now got the boldness to call Jesus Christ Lord and God in John 20:28 because before Christ death on the Cross of Calvary he has received a wonderful exegesis of the perfect Godhead.

Try and imagine that scenario in John 14:9-11 and you will see that the oneness theory it proclaims is different from the oneness theory in John 17:21-23

Shikena!

That is the Godhead doing what He knows how to do best. Mr Janosky can perfectly play the role of a Manager, Husband and Father without any conflict just as the Godhead was sitting on His heavenly throne and also walked upon the earth at the same time which is a wonderful prove of His omnipotence.

I believe the words of the Lord Jesus Christ my Lord and God, but sometimes our interpretation of His words do cause us trouble. But thank God for the Holy Spirit that has come to help.

John 17:21-23
21 THAT THEY MAY ALL BE ONE ,JUST
AS
YOU, FATHER ARE IN ME, AND I IN
YOU THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE IN US,
so that the world may believe that you
have sent me. 22 The glory that you
have given me I have given to them,
THAT THEY MAY BE ONE EVEN AS WE
ARE ONE "
******************
Again, Jesus Christ in John 20:17 rejected your twisting of John20:28.
Jesus is saying his disciples and himself worship the same God, he is ascending to.
Jesus is theos (a god/God) who has his God.
Yahweh,the Most High has no God. Psalms 83:18. Psalms 110:1(ASV).
In heaven, Yahweh Commanded Jesus: "Sit at my right hand"
***********************
Rev3:5,12 In heaven Jesus Christ is a servant of his God, Yahweh.
CaveAdullam, you are LYING and you choose to be blind to the truth.
Enjoy your delusion.

Seun:
This is highly commendable. I hope they don't stop at rescuing babies. Children of all ages in similar circumstances should be rescued. We cannot let children die in the name of religion. A child’s right to live is more important than her parents‘ right to impose their religious beliefs on her.

If you have a similar case to report, you can call the Lagos State Office of the Public Defender on this toll-free number: 07080601080 or mail opdlagos@yahoo.com.

The same 'blood transfusion live saving ' fable have brought death and misery to tens of thousands of children and adults all over the globe.



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/transfusions-kill-patients-say-doctors-1070012.html

****"*********
BBC News Navigation
Sections
What is the contaminated blood scandal?
By Nick Triggle
Health correspondent
14 June 2019
Share
Related Topics
UK contaminated blood inquiry
Image copyright PA
The infection of up to 30,000 people with
contaminated blood has been called the
biggest treatment disaster in NHS history.
Thousands have died.
A public inquiry is now under way - but
what is already known about the scandal?
Who was affected?
People with haemophilia and other bleeding
disorders were given blood infected with HIV
and hepatitis viruses, during the 1970s and
1980s.
It was the result of a new treatment intended
to make their lives better. A clotting agent
called Factor VIII was introduced to help
their blood clot.
Before this, patients faced lengthy stays in
hospital to have transfusions, even for minor
injuries.
People who had blood transfusions after an
operation, or childbirth, are also thought to
have been exposed.
About 5,000 people are believed to have
been infected - but some estimates put the
number at 30,000. Nearly 3,000 people have
died.
The public inquiry has heard the stories of
some of those affected.
One of the first to take the stand was Derek
Martindale, who has haemophilia . He was
23
when he was diagnosed with HIV and given
a year to live, in 1985. He survived but his
brother - who was also infected with HIV -
did not.
How did it happen?
The UK was struggling to keep up with
demand for the Factor VIII blood clotting
treatment, so supplies began to be imported
from the US.
But much of the human blood plasma used
to make it came from donors such as prison
inmates and drug-users, who sold their
blood.
These groups were at higher risk of blood-
borne viruses.
However, at the time, HIV had not been
diagnosed and understanding about
hepatitis was still developing.
The risk of contamination was raised further
because Factor VIII was made by pooling
plasma from up to 40,000 donors and
concentrating it.
How long did this last?
By the mid-1980s, once it was clear HIV
was blood-borne, the products started to be
heat-treated, to kill the viruses.
But questions remain about how much was
known before this time.
Despite these precautions, some of the
contaminated blood products remained in
circulation and continued to be used.
Screening of all blood products began in
1991.
And by the late 1990s, synthetic treatments
for haemophilia became available, removing
the infection risk.
What are the aims of the inquiry?
This UK-wide inquiry now under way is the
first that can demand that witnesses give
evidence.
It comes after decades of campaigning by
victims, who claim the risks were never
explained and the scandal was covered up.
The government has been strongly criticised
for dragging its heels.
Infected blood victim 'wanted to die'
Blood inquiry seeks answers at last
The secret in my blood
Liz Hooper: The woman who lost two
husbands to the scandal
A previous, privately funded inquiry held no
official status. It could not compel witnesses
to testify, or demand the release of
important documents.
In Scotland, a seven-year investigation was
criticised as a "whitewash" when it was
published in 2015.
The current inquiry, due to last two years,
was announced only after the UK
government faced a possible defeat in a
Commons vote demanding one.
Have people been infected elsewhere in the
world?
There have been thousands of cases of
people being given infected blood in the US.
But other countries also imported blood
products during the 1970s and 1980s.
In Europe, cases in France, Ireland, Portugal
and Italy have been identified. Japan,
Canada, Iran and Iraq have also been
caught up in the scandal.
In the US, companies that supplied infected
products have paid out millions of dollars in
out-of-court settlements.
In other countries, politicians and drug
companies have been convicted of
negligence.
None of that has happened in the UK -
although victims have been given limited
financial support.
At the opening of the inquiry, it was
announced that criminal trials could follow."
**********

Seun:
This is highly commendable. I hope they don't stop at rescuing babies. Children of all ages in similar circumstances should be rescued. We cannot let children die in the name of religion. A child’s right to live is more important than her parents‘ right to impose their religious beliefs on her.

If you have a similar case to report, you can call the Lagos State Office of the Public Defender on this toll-free number: 07080601080 or mail opdlagos@yahoo.com.

The same 'blood transfusion live saving ' fable have brought death and misery to tens of thousands of children and adults all over the globe.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/
transfusions-kill-patients-say-
doctors-1070012.html


BBC News Navigation
Sections
What is the contaminated blood scandal?
By Nick Triggle
Health correspondent
14 June 2019
Share
Related Topics
UK contaminated blood inquiry
Image copyright PA
The infection of up to 30,000 people with
contaminated blood has been called the
biggest treatment disaster in NHS history.
Thousands have died.
A public inquiry is now under way - but
what is already known about the scandal?
Who was affected?
People with haemophilia and other bleeding
disorders were given blood infected with HIV
and hepatitis viruses, during the 1970s and
1980s.
It was the result of a new treatment intended
to make their lives better. A clotting agent
called Factor VIII was introduced to help
their blood clot.
Before this, patients faced lengthy stays in
hospital to have transfusions, even for minor
injuries.
People who had blood transfusions after an
operation, or childbirth, are also thought to
have been exposed.
About 5,000 people are believed to have
been infected - but some estimates put the
number at 30,000. Nearly 3,000 people have
died.
The public inquiry has heard the stories of
some of those affected.
One of the first to take the stand was Derek
Martindale, who has haemophilia . He was
23
when he was diagnosed with HIV and given
a year to live, in 1985. He survived but his
brother - who was also infected with HIV -
did not.
How did it happen?
The UK was struggling to keep up with
demand for the Factor VIII blood clotting
treatment, so supplies began to be imported
from the US.
But much of the human blood plasma used
to make it came from donors such as prison
inmates and drug-users, who sold their
blood.
These groups were at higher risk of blood-
borne viruses.
However, at the time, HIV had not been
diagnosed and understanding about
hepatitis was still developing.
The risk of contamination was raised further
because Factor VIII was made by pooling
plasma from up to 40,000 donors and
concentrating it.
How long did this last?
By the mid-1980s, once it was clear HIV
was blood-borne, the products started to be
heat-treated, to kill the viruses.
But questions remain about how much was
known before this time.
Despite these precautions, some of the
contaminated blood products remained in
circulation and continued to be used.
Screening of all blood products began in
1991.
And by the late 1990s, synthetic treatments
for haemophilia became available, removing
the infection risk.
What are the aims of the inquiry?
This UK-wide inquiry now under way is the
first that can demand that witnesses give
evidence.
It comes after decades of campaigning by
victims, who claim the risks were never
explained and the scandal was covered up.
The government has been strongly criticised
for dragging its heels.
Infected blood victim 'wanted to die'
Blood inquiry seeks answers at last
The secret in my blood
Liz Hooper: The woman who lost two
husbands to the scandal
A previous, privately funded inquiry held no
official status. It could not compel witnesses
to testify, or demand the release of
important documents.
In Scotland, a seven-year investigation was
criticised as a "whitewash" when it was
published in 2015.
The current inquiry, due to last two years,
was announced only after the UK
government faced a possible defeat in a
Commons vote demanding one.
Have people been infected elsewhere in the
world?
There have been thousands of cases of
people being given infected blood in the US.
But other countries also imported blood
products during the 1970s and 1980s.
In Europe, cases in France, Ireland, Portugal
and Italy have been identified. Japan,
Canada, Iran and Iraq have also been
caught up in the scandal.
In the US, companies that supplied infected
products have paid out millions of dollars in
out-of-court settlements.
In other countries, politicians and drug
companies have been convicted of
negligence.
None of that has happened in the UK -
although victims have been given limited
financial support.
At the opening of the inquiry, it was
announced that criminal trials could follow."
**********

madridsta007:
Jehovah's Witnesses do not call themselves Christians.
They call themselves, Jehovah's Witness.

Dumb post.
Jesus Christ himself is a Jehovah's witness. Isaiah 42:10-12. Rev 3:5,12-14. Acts3:13. John20:17.
Jehovah's witnesses are Christians,we believe in Jesus Christ and his Father, Jehovah God. John 14:1. John17:3. Matt10:32-33.

OLAADEGBU:
Should we stop eating because some people died from food poisoning?

After all your LIES that blood transfusions doesn't KILL....
*spits*
The same lie the System told all the victims who are now enjoying their 'life saving' misery, anguish and death a couple of years later.
Oya qwantirinu 'eating'....
In few years time, you will hear that the portions you ate may claim your life....
***********
But, Why do you go to extremes to want to force another person to eat potentially poisonous food he forbids ?
Olaadegbu Intolerant bigot .

eyinjuege:
Yes, I have seen the particular article. Can you tell me what you have understood by this article? Because it further buttresses my point with regards to minors. Or is it the "mature" minors that is the confusion here? The law is set up in such a way that the mature minors can accept treatment but it becomes herculean ro refuse treatment
While I read about the 14 year old who refused treatment with blood and later on died, did you also read about hospitals providing blood in emergency situations for these children and once the patient is stable they can then start going to court on future transfusion orders?
For anaemic patients with chronic conditions, blood transfusion might not necessarily make the difference in their case. They have the value of time to drag out court cases, but not emergencies in children

Please read this article from their medical association in another Western country with regards to the law concerning minors. They also use the mature minor arguments- Gillick competency but if you study it well, you will see that the law is set up to support accepting treatment and not refusing it.

https://www.bma.org.uk/advice/employment/ethics/consent/consent-tool-kit/7-children-and-young-people

I read your link.... it's well understood.
In the situation Where a mature minor firmly insists to refuse blood transfusions, the Court may or may not accede to the patients request.
(These Laws on Minor's Rights are slightly different in USA,England and Scotland).
The trial Judge would pass a verdict after thorough assessment of all the factors peculiar to that particular case.
**********
From the link I shared,this points below highlight what the article explained...
(A)
Minors ( i.e. , individuals under the state-
specific age of consent, usually 18)
generally cannot provide consent for or
refuse medical treatment. States vary on
exceptions to this rule ( e.g. , many states
carve out specific types of care that minors
may consent to on their own—such as
sexually transmitted infection treatment).
(B)
(10). In the majority of cases, however, a
parent must provide consent or refusal.
This principle is not absolute, as is the case
when a JW parent refuses blood for their
minor child. While the U.S. Constitution
protects the freedom to practice religion,
courts have not interpreted that freedom to
include the right to refuse lifesaving
treatment for a child on the basis of that
religion (11). Instead, courts confronted with
the issue have upheld a hospital’s ability to
provide blood even against a parent’s
wishes (11).
(**C)
Some states even have specific
laws that authorize a court to order
treatment under certain circumstances,
though such laws are not required since a
court can make an independent
determination based on the state’s inherent
interest in protecting the child (11,12,13).
(**D).
Exception for Mature Minor
There is one notable exception for cases that
involve adolescents. In a minority of states,
a “mature minor” doctrine allows minors
who demonstrate a requisite level of
maturity the right to consent for, and
potentially refuse, treatment (14). While 17
states recognize the doctrine to varying
degrees and in different settings, only a
handful of the states have allowed an
adolescent to refuse live-saving treatment
(14). Outcomes vary based on state-specific
legal precedent and the facts ( e.g. ,
genuineness of the religious belief, whether
treatment would be curative)"

(****E)
Transfer or collaboration considerations.
Ensure that the care team has considered
whether collaboration with or transfer to
another facility with more experience in
bloodless techniques is an option.
The
HLC, if involved in care, can be a valuable
resource in arranging for consultation or
coordinating transfer.
Continual and critical assessment.
In cases involving a JW, the
care team should continually and
critically assess the patient’s condition
and options to determine whether
withholding blood or alternate options
might be medically appropriate."

Our HLC is ever willing to collaborate with medical professionals and we sincerely appreciate the expertise of the medical teams who respond to our emergencies to save lives with utmost regard for our bible based beliefs.
Dalu rinne. Eshe gaan. Wadooo. Urhuese.
************
God bless.

eyinjuege:
Janosky
An extract from the link I posted :

"In England, Wales and Northern Ireland, refusal of treatment by competent young people under the age of 18 is not necessarily binding upon doctors since the courts have ruled that consent from people with parental responsibility, or a court, still allows doctors to provide treatment.

Where a competent young person refuses treatment, the harm caused by violating a young person’s choice must be balanced against the harm caused by failing to treat. In these cases the courts have said that children and young people have a right to consent to what is being proposed, but not to refuse it if this would put their health in serious jeopardy.

In Scotland, it is likely that neither parents nor the courts are entitled to override a competent
young patient’s decision, although this matter cannot be considered settled.

If a competent young person refuses treatment, it would be advisable to seek legal advice and it may be necessary to take the matter to court. (See also Card 1 list: ‘0-18 years’, ‘Children’, ‘Consent’, ‘DoH’, ‘MET’, ‘MDU’, ‘MPS’.) "

The info above is clearly understood.
Thanks for sharing.
God bless.

Janosky:
Pls, don't get me wrong.
I have never passed any wrong info on this thread.
Note, I have already said "JWs usually respect the outcomes of court judgments" whether or not it is in our (JW) favor.
That your link didn't open,not accessible now.

Pls see this:

https://forum.ashrm.org/2018/03/29/risks-and-legal-issues-in-caring-for-minor-jehovahs-witness-patients/




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Pls see this:

https://forum.ashrm.org/2018/03/29/risks-and-legal-issues-in-caring-for-minor-jehovahs-witness-patients/

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PATIENT SAFETY/CLINICAL CARE
Risks and Legal Issues in Caring for Minor
Jehovah’s Witness Patients
March 29, 201810 Min Read
A fundamental right of modern healthcare is
that a patient can refuse medical treatment
(1). In most circumstances, this extends to a
parent’s right to refuse treatment for their
minor child (2). When the rationale for
refusal is religion, and especially when the
treatment being refused is potentially
lifesaving, the situation becomes more
complex. This may arise when working with
families from the Jehovah’s Witness (JW)
community, a group that largely rejects
whole blood products, including transfusion.
This article provides background and
practical tips for risk managers who may be
asked to consult on cases involving the
refusal of blood for minor patients from the
JW community.
Background
There are an estimated 8.3 million JW in the
world, primarily in the United States (1.2
million), Mexico (859,000) and Brazil
(829,000) (3,4). The majority of JW interpret
the Bible as prohibiting receiving whole
blood products (5). The JW community
actively instills the importance of this
prohibition, encouraging members to carry
“blood refusal cards” and execute Advance
Directives detailing their wishes regarding
blood. This extends to their children who are
aware of the prohibition (6,7). JW who
accept blood may be subject to
repercussions within their community, which
reportedly can include shunning (.
Given the inherent challenges in obtaining
bloodless care, the JW community has
become sophisticated in healthcare matters.
JW Hospital Liaison Committees (HLCs)
operate in 110 countries around the world,
including 1,700 chapters within the United
States (9). HLCs, comprised of male elders,
aid patients and families by providing
spiritual and practical assistance in the
hospital, as well as aiding healthcare
providers. In this role, they may offer
literature on bloodless techniques, assist
with consulting providers experienced in
bloodless care or help with arranging
transfer to other facilities. HLCs also provide
educational lectures to providers and staff
on working with JW families.
Legal Landscape
Minors ( i.e. , individuals under the state-
specific age of consent, usually 18)
generally cannot provide consent for or
refuse medical treatment. States vary on
exceptions to this rule ( e.g. , many states
carve out specific types of care that minors
may consent to on their own—such as
sexually transmitted infection treatment)
(10). In the majority of cases, however, a
parent must provide consent or refusal.
This principle is not absolute, as is the case
when a JW parent refuses blood for their
minor child. While the U.S. Constitution
protects the freedom to practice religion,
courts have not interpreted that freedom to
include the right to refuse lifesaving
treatment for a child on the basis of that
religion (11). Instead, courts confronted with
the issue have upheld a hospital’s ability to
provide blood even against a parent’s
wishes (11). Some states even have specific
laws that authorize a court to order
treatment under certain circumstances,
though such laws are not required since a
court can make an independent
determination based on the state’s inherent
interest in protecting the child (11,12,13).
Exception for Mature Minor
There is one notable exception for cases that
involve adolescents. In a minority of states,
a “mature minor” doctrine allows minors
who demonstrate a requisite level of
maturity the right to consent for, and
potentially refuse, treatment (14). While 17
states recognize the doctrine to varying
degrees and in different settings, only a
handful of the states have allowed an
adolescent to refuse live-saving treatment
(14). Outcomes vary based on state-specific
legal precedent and the facts ( e.g. ,
genuineness of the religious belief, whether
treatment would be curative) (15). In one of
the most well-known recent cases, a 14-
year-old JW in Washington State was
allowed to refuse blood products, ultimately
leading to his death, despite the fact that
blood transfusions likely would have saved
his life (16).
In practice, when blood is emergently
needed to save a minor’s life, hospitals
likely will provide the blood and document it
in the patient’s medical record. After the
emergency ends or in non-emergent or
chronic condition situations, hospitals
typically seek a court order to provide blood
products. The court will generally hold a
hearing, allowing the hospital and the parent
and/or minor to explain their positions. The
judge then makes a determination, issued
via court order, which should be entered
into the patient’s medical record.
Practical Tips
Risk managers should consider the following
when working on these challenging cases:
Blood refusal by JW not a given. Not all
JW ascribe to the blood prohibition, so
healthcare providers should not assume a
self-identified JW will refuse blood (17). It
is important to discuss the need for blood
privately with both the parent and the
patient (if appropriate), as the presence of
other JW (including close family members
and HLC members) may make the parent
or patient feel pressured to refuse.
Nontraditional consent . Although rare,
some adult JW have reportedly appointed
a non-JW to provide consent on their
behalf (18). Similarly, a JW parent may
be amenable to temporarily delegating
another individual the power to consent
for their child’s transfusion.
Transfer or collaboration considerations.
Ensure that the care team has considered
whether collaboration with or transfer to
another facility with more experience in
bloodless techniques is an option. The
HLC, if involved in care, can be a valuable
resource in arranging for consultation or
coordinating transfer.
Continual and critical assessment.
Providing blood is often done as a matter
of course based on hospital protocol or
when laboratory values reach a certain
threshold. In cases involving a JW, the
care team should continually and
critically assess the patient’s condition
and options to determine whether
withholding blood or alternate options
might be medically appropriate.
Patient and family inclusion. Healthcare
providers may discount the importance of
communicating with the patient and the
family since, in the end, the hospital will
often be able to provide blood. Despite
this, risk managers should ensure that, at
every hospitalization, the patient and
family are: (A) given the opportunity for
their wishes to be heard, (B) given a clear
explanation of the hospital’s position and
any obligations that the hospital has
under law or policy and (C) informed of
and kept updated on the hospital’s
actions ( g. , seeking a court order).
Child protection considerations. The
majority of states specifically exempt
treatment refusal on religious grounds
from the definition of child neglect. If this
is true in your state, child protection
authorities should not be contacted based
solely on a JW parent’s refusal of blood
(12).
Court preparation . If your hospital does
seek a court order:
Work with the court and/or hospital
legal counsel to prepare. Beyond
assistance with forms and procedures,
ask the following: will the court
accept testimony from any member of
the care team ( g. , social work, case
management) or does it require the
attending physician? Will the court
accept a written statement or
telephone testimony or is in-person
testimony required?
Generally, the court order will relate
only to the provision of blood
products and the parent will retain all
other parental rights, including the
right to consent for (or refuse) other
types of treatment. When court is
involved, a parent sometimes
mistakenly believes that their parental
rights are broadly being taken away, a
distressing misconception.
If given the opportunity to propose
language for the court order, draft one
that authorizes blood products
throughout the admission or condition
( g. , long-term treatment for leukemia)
to prevent return trips to court.
Conclusion
Care teams should work closely with
patients and families from the JW
community to ensure that, while the hospital
may need to provide blood with or without
court proceedings, it can be handled in a
positive manner. Risk managers should
encourage the entire care team to approach
these cases with an open mind and
transparency, with a focus on clearly
communicating the hospital’s obligations
and plans while minimizing the patient’s or
family’s fears of repercussions (whether
from the JW community, the hospital, or the
court/legal system).
References
1. Cruzan v. Director, Missouri Dep’t of
Health, 497 US 261 (1990).
2. We use “parent” throughout as
shorthand for parent(s) or guardian(s)
.
3. Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of
New York, Inc. (2016) 2017 yearbook
of Jehovah’s Witnesses: 2016 grand
totals. Retrieved from https://
www.jw.org/en/publications/
books/2017-yearbook/2016-grand-
totals/
4. Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of
New York, Inc. (2016) 2017 yearbook
of Jehovah’s Witnesses: 2016 service
year report of Jehovah’s Witnesses
worldwide. Retrieved from https://
www.jw.org/en/publications/
books/2017-yearbook/jehovahs-
witnesses-service-report-2016/
5. For example, Genesis 9:4: “Only flesh
with its soul—its blood—you must not
eat”; Leviticus 17:14: “You must not
eat the blood of any sort of flesh,
because the soul of every sort of flesh
is its blood. Anyone eating it will be
cut off”; Acts 15:20: “Abstain . . . from
blood.” See JW.org, (n.d.) What does
the Bible say about blood
transfusions? Retrieved from https://
www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/
questions/bible-about-blood-
transfusion/
. The official JW stance is that while
whole blood products are prohibited, it
is up to the individual to determine
whether they will accept blood
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eyinjuege:
While laws in USA differs from state to state, there are some non negotiable instances where it is a standard, and I believe this is one of such. No state will allow you jeopardise a child's life. Please kindly do a bit of more research, and let us know which state has a different approach in the care of their children. Do not assume anything as this is a very serious matter. Do not just wave it away and make hasty generalisations as though we're not talking of human lives here.
Passing down wrong information is far worse than passing no information at all.
I really have no problems with JW and their beliefs. I may not agree with them, but I completely understand and respect our differences.
However, in the case of children, parents don't have the absolute right on the life or death of their children. Have you read this article yet?
https://adc.bmj.com/content/90/7/715

Pls, don't get me wrong.
I have never passed any wrong info on this thread.
Note, I have already said "JWs usually respect the outcomes of court judgments" whether or not it is in our (JW) favor.
That your link didn't open,not accessible now.

Pls see this:

https://forum.ashrm.org/2018/03/29/risks-and-legal-issues-in-caring-for-minor-jehovahs-witness-patients/



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eyinjuege:
In other climes, minors (usually younger than 17 or so) cannot make that decision to refuse blood, and they're not taken to any judge to decide any nonsense. Stop speaking what you do not know. Infact, the law is designed in such a way the child is only allowed to accept treatment and not refuse it.
In other climes, they have procedures in place in hospitals for parents that refuse emergency treatment including blood transfusion for their children. The courts long gave the powers to professionals to make that decision for the child and all necessary paper work is done and dusted within a few minutes.
They understand the need to avoid delays in emergency situations. That's why I even blamed the hospital for wasting so much time, and for not having such procedures in place in the first instance.
As I mentioned earlier, I have no issues with JWs exercising their rights to refuse any form of treatment. Afterall you're not stupid and you are entitled to your own beliefs and preferences. However in children, you simply have no rights legally to makes such a decision of refusing life saving treatment for them
As per your HLC going around to educate hospital staff on alternatives to blood transfusion, they can do better. It's better you go to medical schools worldwide and change their curriculum instead of telling hospital staff to do what hasn't been proscribed. (That's a sure way to lose your licence by withholding blood transfusion in a child that needs it).
If your teachings are not accepted by competent professional peers in the field, then kindly spare us the theatrics.

Even in the USA, the laws of each State are different, what obtains in State of A" maybe different from State B".
The Judge is in a position to determine whether or not to allow a Minor's testimony, on a case by case basis. Every minor do not possess the same capacity for understanding or conviction about any matter.
JWs usually respect the outcome of Court judgements.
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Hardly will you find a medical journal that has never published research findings about bloodless medical procedures and breakthroughs in that aspect.
Many medical professionals are already aware of these advances, there is positive progress, more will come....
The HLC have done well to promote cordial relationship and better understanding of JW positions on alternatives to bloodless medical treatment.
Both sides are very interested & committed to better, improved healthcare for patients who are Jehovah's witnesses.
JWs respect & appreciate the medical professionals for their understanding and cooperation.
God bless.

eyinjuege:
Why are you leaving a link for a paediatric surgical write up for us? The premature child had jaundice at birth, and it wasn't weeks after birth for us to think it had anything to do with surgeons. It's simply a pure paediatric case.
Your link is talking about perioperative conditions and blood transfusion.
Are you a paediatrician? If you're not, then kindly do not make any uninformed opinion on this matter, and stop doing GIGO for us here.
There was nothing overzealous about what the government officials did and they were not quick enough in getting that child away from it's parents. Every hospital should have a standard operating procedure in place for such cases where parents want to kill their underage children either by omission or commission.
. They should never have allowed the parents step out of the hospital with that child in the first place and the police should have been waiting by the hospital door
If you are a pediatrician who's a Jehovah witness, then we can talk on why other non blood products wasn't an option for this child.
Thank you.

Doctors no be Almighty God, but their services & expertise are well appreciated.
They are still learning more & more to improve their competency.
I'm not here to dictate how you should practice your professional calling.
Every case is different, You & I were not there at the scene it occurred, there are vital , details we do not know about which would have given us the true ,unadulterated picture of what transpired there.
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It makes good sense to note this statement by your medical professional journal:
"The unique problems of
the tiny premature neonate whose
blood
volume may only be eight teaspoons
are
formidable. Yet an open mind to the
alternatives and options in the use or
non-
use of blood and blood products is an
essential attitude for the modern
practitioner
in this field.",
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God bless.

eyinjuege:
I'm not with you on this one.
This is a child, and I believe the right decision was taken for him.
I normally support the right of anyone to refuse treatment if such a person isn't a child and has capacity to make such a decision.
Severe jaundice may need exchange blood transfusion, and that's why I said hope it's not too late for the child.

eyinjuege post:
" Severe jaundice may need exchange blood transfusion,"
You're being speculative...
The child's parents insisted on other life saving forms of medical treatment other than BT..
It's not a crime to prefer Option A over Option B ,C,or D.
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The Government officials and the medical staff were simply overzealous..
With better communication and cooperation with the hospital authorities, BT wouldn't have been necessary.
Our HLC would have stepped in & managed the situation very well without recourse to the Courts.


https://www.nataonline.com/node/450

"The unique problems of
the tiny premature neonate whose blood
volume may only be eight teaspoons are
formidable. Yet an open mind to the
alternatives and options in the use or non-
use of blood and blood products is an
essential attitude for the modern practitioner
in this field."
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Very true....

eyinjuege:
The licence of those who transfuse a child despite objections from the parents cannot be revoked as they are legally backed by law. Of course they must have taken the necessary steps and informed the necessary authorities as was done in this case. The difference between a child and an adult is capacity and the ability to make informed decisions on the issue of blood transfusion. Since children lack the capacity to make certain decisions, it is made for them by their parents and if parents make decisions that will jeopardise the life or health of such a child, the power is taken away from the parents.
I have benefited from blood transfusion several years ago. About 6 or so years ago. I was given 4 bags of blood and that saved my life. No 2 ways about it. I would have died and my parents left one child less and my children motherless. I am always grateful for another chance at life I was given. I am not Jehova Witness btw.
I am doing extremely well health wise with no issues whatsoever. I am more afraid of having a stroke or a heart attack than I am of having any long term complication from the blood transfusion I had.
Oh, lest I forget, I had a mild complication with blood transfusion while on the last bag whereby I had a fever whilst being transfused, but simple paracetamol was enough to sort me out. Blood transfusions may not be perfect, but the benefits far outweighs the risks. Always...
With the advancement in science, serious transfusion reactions are very RARE. So there's no argument that you can ever bring against blood transfusion that will hold any water.
If in terms of religious beliefs, you can hold on tight to your beliefs. However, don't bother telling us that there are better alternatives to blood transfusion, as there is non ( I also know about transfusing your own blood back to you when you need it during an operation).
Anyways, I asked some questions earlier about the support you guys have in place for parents faced with such ethical dilemmas . Pls answer

There are other result oriented alternative to blood transfusions, that is what the JW parents wanted & requested for...
They loved their child as every parent would.
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According to a medical journal:
"Concurrently the
search for effective alternatives to blood and
blood product transfusion should earnestly
be pursued for children and adults alike. If a
procedure classically considered as bloody
as ever, a liver transplantation can be
preformed without transfusing red blood
cells <|[31]|> , then certainly many
procedures typically thought to require
transfusion can be reexamined.
To that end, erythropoietin has been used in
burn victims <|[32]|> and others in concert
with other prudent measures such as
prudent blood drawing for testing and the
use of tourniquets for control of bleeding
during the harvest of skin grafts. Another
recent useful adjunct for the burn victim, and
particularly the burned child is the use of
fibrin glue when placing and harvesting skin
grafts <|[33]|> , significantly decreasing the
amount of blood required.
MISCELLANEOUS
Extracorporeal Membrane Oxygenation
(ECMO) pioneered by Doctor Robert Bartlet
of Michigan, found its greatest applicability
in the therapy of neonates with pulmonary
hypoplasia and persistent pulmonary
hypertension. In this category the incidence
of congenital diaphragmatic hernia was
most frequently seen. As with classic
cardiopulmonary bypass, blood and blood
products were frequently employed <|[34]|> .
In addition, the prolonged use of an
extracorporeal circuit in these patients led to
a high incidence of clotting disturbances <|
[35]|> . Lately ECMO has diminished in the
frequency of its use with alternative
ventilatory techniques gaining favor. Yet
there remains a role for ECMO especially in
selected neonates with diaphragmatic
hernia, and so it is prudent to search for
ways to decrease bleeding and need for
transfusion in such babies <|[36]|> .
CONCLUSIONS
As in many fields of medical endeavor,
pediatric surgery has kept pace with the
increasing realization of the shifting burden-
benefit calculus in the transfusion of blood
and blood products. The unique problems of
the tiny premature neonate whose blood
volume may only be eight teaspoons are
formidable. Yet an open mind to the
alternatives and options in the use or non-
use of blood and blood products is an
essential attitude for the modern practitioner
in this field."
Appendix:
References
1. Hall TL et al. Neonatal mortality following
transfusion of red cells with high plasma
potassium levels. Transfusion, 1993; 33 (7):
p. 606-609.

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