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Hairyrapunzel:
Hairyrapunzel :
I had an EBT done o. Thank God my
parents are not zombies and didn't
join jw I for be slowpoke by now.

If I were a zombie I wouldn't have the sense to know that I can think independently like some brainwashed robotic zombies are.

https://www.nairaland.com/3486648/what-spiritual-implication-blood-transfusion

Tay tayyy You collect & harbour various issues wey you dey manifest for this forum... Lols

statusquoante:
In case my previous post was too hard for you to comprehend, here's the summary:

Blood transfusion is NEVER blood consumption.

The Bible only frowns at blood consumption.

JW is a devious sect cum cult...

Blood transfusion and taking of blood oath is no difference...
Where does the ingested blood goes ?

When you ingest drugs or other liquids Intravenously , na where e dey enter?
I no know why so called educated people shy away from being honest ?

Enjoy your delusion.
Congratulations!

Hairyrapunzel:
I had an EBT done o. Thank God my parents are not zombies and didn't join jw I for be slowpoke by now.

You already are,tay tayyy!!!
But you would never voluntarily submit to psychiatric evaluation....

Consult a clinical psychologist and request for a professional analysis of your posts on this forum, they would gleefully book a space for you immediately at Yaba left.

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Hairyrapunzel:
Because one treatment worked on healthy normal birth weight baby with no absolute indication for EBT then it will work for very sick preterm low birth weight baby who meets absolute criteria for getting an exchange blood transfusion.


I no fit laugh. One form of treatment for everybody both sick and well.


When illiterate who had no formal education, knowledge of medicine, no access to medical journals or research work, no access to information about medical procedures and no access to internet makes a law that affects the lives of people he is guiding, they tend to die from his mistakes.

Nathan knorr banned blood transfusion, vaccination and organ transplant the same time.

I think the leaders after him had grandchildren that needed to get immunized and also had wives who needed to get organ transplant so the legalized those ones. Then casualties were less than what you had for blood transfusion

https://www.nairaland.com/1576105/blood-transfusionswhat-doctorsare-saying

Shame on you bigot.

Hairyrapunzel:
Unfortunately he doesn't believe that blood transfusions is the cure for all pediatric health issues therefore he isn't a brainwashed fool.


Is only a brainwashed fool that believes that blood transfusion never saves lives. Therefore you are.

JWs post here dey pain you for brain.
Pathetic bigot.. Lols.

Blood transfusions destroys lives too.

Blood transfusions couldn't save the best male tennis player of African descent and even his mother.
Ode !!

https://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/13/world/scandal-over-tainted-blood-widens-in-france.html

...Just confess what's in your heart- hairyrapunzel seems desperate to suck blood, hiding under the cover of blood transfusions. You should be placed on strict surveillance to make sure you no thief people blood...
That your mumu no go ever fit save you.

Only a pathetic brainwashed mumu believes that blood transfusions doesn't destroys lives.

dayo229:
Bishop David Oyedepo on Saturday raged at some highly placed officials of the Living Faith Church Worldwide, a.k.a. Winners Chapel, who stole millions of Naira from the church’s treasury.

The Nation reports that the cleric revealed how some very high up officials, mainly accountants, had looted the church’s treasury. The Bishop could not hide his disappointment that professionals trusted by the church to prevent fraud, turned themselves into a network of fraudsters.

Expressing his disappointment in the errant church officials, who have since been relieved of their positions in the church, he said: “Can you imagine accountants perpetrating fraud in the house of God?

We had no choice but to dismiss them. You can imagine top church officials engaging in doubling figures and other dubious practices. Even after we dismissed them, we discovered more fraud.

Those who should discover the fraud were the ones involved in it. One of them refused to confess until the last minute. I have to tell everyone present here because I know the dismissed officials will come to you for employment.

Don’t employ them and don’t sympathise with them. Whoever sympathises with the wicked is wicked himself. Don’t sympathise with any perpetrator of fraud, otherwise you are a partaker of the evil act.”

Source:
https://www.denland.site/2020/01/oyedepo-blows-hot-as-highly-placed.html

Your pastorpreneurs dismissed the alleged FRAUDsters ,yet his gullible sheeples "independent thinkers" dey vex because JWs excommunicate unrepentant wrongdoers (1 Corinthians 5:1-13).
In Anything goes business centres naira arena, touch not my anointed feeding bottle and do my pastorpreneurs profits no harm.

statusquoante:
Blood transfusion is not equivalent to eating blood.

When something is eaten, either directly or by any other means, the aim is for the body to consume it for its nourishment.

Sooner or later, the body will have to eat again as what was previously eaten would have already been consumed.

Aside food, drugs can also be consumed directly or by any other means. When this happens, the drug performs its work in the body and eventually disappears with time.

But in the case of blood transfusion, the blood is NEVER consumed by the body. Rather, the body uses it for sustenance. The fellow who got the blood may never need another blood transfusion till death except the need arises.

Hence, blood transfusion should never be equated to blood consumption as the body never consumes the blood it receives. Rather it uses it for sustenance of life.

It is similar to organ transplant where the organ is used by the recipient for as long as the fellow is alive or the organ remains functional.

In summary, JWs are totally wrong on the issue of blood transfusion as they have simply turned the Bible on its head.

Pathetic!

Your body doesn't consume the food or drugs you ingest into your system,its not for sustenance of your life.....
You only consume them for fancy , same way you can ingest blood transfusions for fancy
.

Leviticus 17:14 . Acts 15:28-29. Acts5:29.
Hebrews 11:17-19. Matt 10:32-39. Phil2:8 no dey your Bible?

Nairaland churchians everywhere.
You dey deceive yourself

SexytorresE:
I won’t stop commenting bad about this demonic name called religion. Belief wound them there. How can one be so foolish and brainwashed to that extend? If prayers work, all patients wound have been taken to that foolish place called church and not hospitals. But their brain is blocked and dead already they wouldn’t knw . I weep

Weep for your delusion.
Leviticus 17:14 . Acts 15:28-29. Acts5:29.
Hebrews 11:17-19. Matt 10:32-39 no dey your Bible?
Nairaland churchians everywhere.
You dey deceive yourself

MOSICATED5:
The JW are thoroughly brain washed cultist. They would rather do anything to other the watchtower than obey the Bible. To them the watchtower explanation superceded the clear Bible explanation. Thanks to the Lagos state GOV

You are the brainwashed one here because in your copy of the Bible you were instructed to desist from taking the blood of any creature ( whether man or animal) into your body.
Blood transfusions,blood oath covenants amounts to violation of God's righteous laws.
(Lev17:14. Acts15:28-29).
Quantirinu to lie & deceive yourself.

CG

Niflheim:
Only a brainless bastard and an "anti-scientific senseless buffoon" will prevent a baby from having a blood transfusion!!!

Only a brainwashed fool believes that blood transfusions is the cure all for every pediatric health issue.

CG

Niflheim:
Only a brainless bastard and an "anti-scientific senseless buffoon" will prevent a baby from having a blood transfusion!!!

Only a brainwashed fool believes that blood transfusions is the cure all for every pediatric health issue.

raybaba97:
I am usually a very polite and jovial fellow bit I must say this now that

Sir. you are a very stupid person.

Sit down and think, you hear me? Think and pray that if Jesus could give his blood and life for the salvation of the sins of all the world, who are you not to give a pint of yours for the sake of one man's life.

The whole point of Christianity is to do as Christ. whenever those bastards force something down your throat, stop swallowing bible verses and ask Jesus what he would have done if it was he.

Very foolish post.
How many pints of Jesus Christ blood did he transfuse into you or anyone of his followers ?
You no get sense at all!

Maximus69:
It will become really difficult now to have similar case to be reported about Jehovah's Witnesses refusal to take blood!

WHY?

Because throughout the world we have specialized health professionals in our midst, they're called Hospital Liaison Committee (HLC), they're supposed to be contacted in such serious cases. The World Health Organization (WHO) recognises this committee globally and they're working hand in hand to administer bloodless forms of treatment!

Remember the case of Serena Williams, it's this committee that was contacted to help in providing bloodless forms of treatment for her.

So it was the fault of the child's parents, this case wouldn't have been heard at all because the child will be given the best form of treatment WITHOUT BLOOD TRANSFUSION!

Our brothers must take prompt action to

Hairyrapunzel:
Una go say abortion is bad but whereas you guys wont think twice about letting a baby die instead of accepting blood transfusion because someone told you a lie that bloodless surgeries can be used on all cases that require blood transfusion.

Which biased? Everything is biased because they exposed you people's killer nature.

All na murder. One doesn't cancel out the other just because one says they are obeying their imaginary sky daddy's assumed beliefs.

Murder is murder.

You know that blood Transfusions have killed more persons than save lives....
Keep ranting up& down... Na your way..

Maximus69:
It will become really difficult now to have similar case to be reported about Jehovah's Witnesses refusal to take blood!

WHY?

Because throughout the world we have specialized health professionals in our midst, they're called Hospital Liaison Committee (HLC), they're supposed to be contacted in such serious cases. The World Health Organization (WHO) recognises this committee globally and they're working hand in hand to administer bloodless forms of treatment!

Remember the case of Serena Williams, it's this committee that was contacted to help in providing bloodless forms of treatment for her.

So it was the fault of the child's parents, this case wouldn't have been heard at all because the child will be given the best form of treatment WITHOUT BLOOD TRANSFUSION!

Every JW knows how to handle emergencies such as this one,our brothers will surely learn from this case and take prompt action to alert our hlc.

Many Serial abortionists& infanticide (unborn child) murderers come here to villify JWs over a biased press story.
Wetin Messi no go see for goalposts?

madridsta007:
**1)
Oga, not marrying someone outside isnt the problem.
But demonising and treating like dirt a JW member who, in his democratic choice, decides to marry outside the sect is simply cult-like. Cant such individualist choices be respected?
**2)
Meanwhile, I hope you wont call this writer names? You will enjoy his article:
https://thescoopng.com/2019/04/25/the-jehovahs-witnesses-cult-tears-families-apart-heres-how-it-tore-mine/

BIG LIE.

In my congregation, there are brothers and sisters whose spouses are not JWs , there is nothing like "demonising and treating like dirt a JW member" for their choice of a marriage mate.

The writer of the link you shared is simply looking for excuses to ridicule JWs & our Bible based beliefs.

A1***

JWs are not responsible for the issues in his family.
Can two (a family) walk together unless they have agreed? Amos 3:3.
Also, did Cain and Abel agree to walk together? Gen4:3-8.
Did all the sons of Israel team up with Moses? Numbers 16:1-3,19-35.

"Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth,I came to bring, not peace, but the sword," Jesus said. Matt 10:32-39.
Between obedience to Jehovah & family ties,choose one. Joshua 24:15. JWs choose Jehovah,who wan vex,make him vex...

His 1975 claims amounts to over flogging a dead horse.
Jesus followers predicted that " the kingdom of God will arrive IMMEDIATELY" Luke 19:11. John 16:16-18.
This is year 2020, did the kingdom come immediately ? The man is saying too,that Jesus disciples are cults.
Without faith,it is impossible to please Jehovah.
The writer has made his choice,his siblings made theirs.
No be by force.....
Live and let live.

mormoney85:
my problem is if they can't obey or take advice from doctors why visit hospitals in th first place

if u know that ritual is a sin then don't visit the shrines because that's what they do down there

You're misinformed about this matter. Get your facts right.
There are many effective modes of treatment for jaundice in children, but the OPD got a
Court order to administer a form of treatment that is unacceptable to the child's parents...
The parents have the moral and legal rights to choose an effective mode of treatment that is best for their child.
The doctors and the govt officials were simply overzealous...
With out resort to the Court, the matter could have be handled in another way that will still give proper and effective medical care for the speedy recovery of the child.

ATTemi:
The parents should be jailed for attempting murder.

You wey get all the evidence say the parents attempted a crime, you go jail them nau....
You just dey rant anyhow for matter wey you get zero proof.
Bigots everywhere.....

hupernikao:
I observe that you neither have honor for biblical engagement and have treated it as a fun or something of joke. Your first response to my last post is enough for me to discern the stuff you are made of. Doing copy and paste and then laugh of effort in painstaking explanation which you neither have or give. After this post i will rather use my time for something better.

I guess, you are simply an upgrade of that guy (Amujale) shouting "Jesus and God is scam" all over the place, like a troubled town crier without a message to deliver.

If at this stage you are still struggling with all my explanation above, then its sad that you simply cant differentiate a biblical reference on Jesus that point to his divinity as God from those that point to his humanity as man. You are just running in connected holes that leads no where.

A reference to SON OF GOD, SON OF MAN, BEGOTTEN OF GOD, ONLY SON, LORD etc will ALWAYS refer to his humanity that is, after his incarnation, hence, you will see words like Father, God etc used as related to a father/son relationship when those words are used. These are basics of Concept of Salvation. The reason Phil 2:4-8 used strong words FORM, EQUAL. If "form of a servant (man)" (vs 7) = 100% servant and not a quality of servant (man), "form of God" (vs 6) wouldn't have been less.

Your lack of clarity on separating these two personalities is your undoing that you cant see he existed as God from the beginning but became a man (man is not God, that is a lower state) for your sake, for your sins, mine and the world. And through this his glory was restored even as Man. Hence the reason, after his Resurrection, words like the THRONE (authority) will always reference to Jesus as Son, Man, Jesus Christ, Son of Man etc, that is his humanity, to show you that Man (Christ) truly seats on the throne (possess authority/dominion) in fulfilling and restoring God's plan for man from Genesis lost in Adam. That is the beauty of Christianity. God left all to dwell among men (sinners), died and rose, restore the Glory of man as Man for man.

When you cant comprehend that God cannot lose his glory, what makes God, God (Almighty) is he cant lose anything, not confined into things. Hence, when you see Christ glory restored, that is his humanity and that is the glory of man restored by God (In Christ) for man. He was God from the beginning.




I truly would have loved to help you, but your attitude shows that you dont need help but neglect to your own desires and error until you learn to sit with your bible with a true heart to know and not a clouded mind carried about like the wave of the sea.

I HOPE YOU WONT FIND IT HARD AGAIN TO READ ALL HERE.

LIAR.

Psalms 110:1 occurred in heaven many millenniums before Jesus came to earth. Jesus is not Almighty God,Jehovah.
**Psalms 110:1
Jehovah saith unto my Lord, Sit thou at my
right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy
footstool." ASV.
Compare Acts 2:34,35. Ephesians 1:3,17,20.
1Cor15:24-28. (ASV).
You're intellectually dishonest.

hupernikao:
I observe that you neither have honor for biblical engagement and have treated it as a fun or something of joke. Your first response to my last post is enough for me to discern the stuff you are made of. Doing copy and paste and then laugh of effort in painstaking explanation which you neither have or give. After this post i will rather use my time for something better.

I guess, you are simply an upgrade of that guy (Amujale) shouting "Jesus and God is scam" all over the place, like a troubled town crier without a message to deliver.

If at this stage you are still struggling with all my explanation above, then its sad that you simply cant differentiate a biblical reference on Jesus that point to his divinity as God from those that point to his humanity as man. You are just running in connected holes that leads no where.

A reference to SON OF GOD, SON OF MAN, BEGOTTEN OF GOD, ONLY SON, LORD etc will ALWAYS refer to his humanity that is, after his incarnation, hence, you will see words like Father, God etc used as related to a father/son relationship when those words are used. These are basics of Concept of Salvation. The reason Phil 2:4-8 used strong words FORM, EQUAL. If "form of a servant (man)" (vs 7) = 100% servant and not a quality of servant (man), "form of God" (vs 6) wouldn't have been less.

Your lack of clarity on separating these two personalities is your undoing that you cant see he existed as God from the beginning but became a man (man is not God, that is a lower state) for your sake, for your sins, mine and the world. And through this his glory was restored even as Man. Hence the reason, after his Resurrection, words like the THRONE (authority) will always reference to Jesus as Son, Man, Jesus Christ, Son of Man etc, that is his humanity, to show you that Man (Christ) truly seats on the throne (possess authority/dominion) in fulfilling and restoring God's plan for man from Genesis lost in Adam. That is the beauty of Christianity. God left all to dwell among men (sinners), died and rose, restore the Glory of man as Man for man.

When you cant comprehend that God cannot lose his glory, what makes God, God (Almighty) is he cant lose anything, not confined into things. Hence, when you see Christ glory restored, that is his humanity and that is the glory of man restored by God (In Christ) for man. He was God from the beginning.

God is God, God dont sit (he existed before time), God dont sleep (Jesus did), God dont die (Jesus did and rose), God cant lose glory (man did, restored in Christ), God dont get/receive authority (he owns all, Man did as Christ, Man was restored by Christ (man)), God dont need a throne, HE IS GOD OVER ALL. Throne is for Man in Christ, hence throne refers to Christ (man) as Christ restored it as Man for Man. Lives for ever for Man's sake and give his authority to man. The essence Man in Christ is seated in Christ (place of authority).
These are all basics of Salvation in the Bible. God became Man to die for Man. In becoming Man, he came as Son. he cant come as God and dwell among sinners, God is HOLY. He came as Man (form of man) for man.

Jesus was called (a deliverer), Called a redeemer, a savior, forgiver of sin, give eternal life. David said "i know my redeemer liveth' speaking by the spirit ahead of time, Isaiah called him Everlasting father, These are things that can only be found and done and ascribed to God (Almighty) alone. God with us (Emmanuel) means God made abode/dwells, tabernacle with man (referring to his incarnation).

The moment he is called CHRIST in itself, should let you know that is humanity as a bible student. God cannot be anointed, Christ means anointed one (speaks of his humanity). You will see Body of Christ (humanity), not Body of God. He is as Son (man) today for you and I. He showed you all, that all is because of man, yet you cant see.
He died as man, rose as man, appeared again as man not as spirit, ate, spoke, walk etc for you to be sure this is man and for you to foresee the glory of man in his resurrected body. He showed you a glimpse of the glory of man in Christ as man. The reason when you see reference to Christ as LORD it points to his redemptive work for man and now Lord of them (believers).

You still have to struggle with the fact that the only way God could save man, is as man, to pay (died) for man's sin (soul that sinneth shall die, God cant die) as man. For God so loved the world and gave his Son (humanity).... Son of God will always refer to his humanity, God's existence among men as MAN. He carried man's sin as Man (God cannot behold iniquity, it has to be man), hence God neglected him (son) on the cross when he bore our sins as man not as God. All things made by him (his divinity), God became flesh (his humanity), Same God, same essence, same authority.

The LORD our God, the LORD is one (Deuteronomy 6:4, Mark 12:29), you cant have a lesser God with God. It is an abuse of the meaning of God in itself. The moment you use the word God as a bible student and not qualified, it means God. if you like put "a, the, by, m , w". The moment you cant differentiate it from eg god of this world (qualified), then you are only walking in error. How do you have God, and then a lesser God with him, are they on Mount Olympus? the originator of this must have watched or read the Olympus deity too much.

Words, names were not just used in the scriptures, they form patterns, carry meaning and essence, the reason in all the reference of Jesus in the 4 Gospels only once will you see him called JESUS CHRIST (Matthew 1:1), its either JESUS or CHRIST. But after His Resurrection, he was consistently referred to as JESUS CHRIST almost in all writings from Acts to Revelation. These arent accidental. The Spirit of Grace carefully chose the right words to convene thoughts, plans, and essence of God. But since you on a search to no where about Christ, its a pity, you may not see meaning in any of the above.

I truly would have loved to help you, but your attitude shows that you dont need help but neglect to your own desires and error until you learn to sit with your bible with a true heart to know and not a clouded mind carried about like the wave of the sea.

I HOPE YOU WONT FIND IT HARD AGAIN TO READ ALL HERE.

Mr Greek Scholar,You're giving mundane excuses to hide & run away from the Truth.
I have given you valid proof from the Scriptures and valid renditions of Greek texts that shed light on correct understanding and translation of John1:1,you no agree.
(These facts are still there in your own copy of the Bible till kingdom come)
I can see that you cherish your Trinitarian delusion very much.
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Why did you refuse to address my questions about Revelation 3:5,12?
*Rev3:12.
"He who overcomes, I will make him a
pillar in the temple of My God, and he
shall go out no more. I will write on
him the name of My God and the name
of the city of My God, the New
Jerusalem, which comes down out of
heaven from My God"

*Compare Rev 3:5 & Matt 10:32,33.

Do you believe in the words of Jesus
Christ in the spiritual realm?
Is he God in heaven or the servant of
the God in heaven?"
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Please check if 1 Cor11:3. 1 Cor 3:23 and 1 Cor 15:24-28 is still in your Bible.
You don't seem to understand it in English, please come & explain to us in Greek, what Jesus Christ in heaven is telling you in Rev 3:5,12,21 John17:21. John 14:28 & John 20:17,30,31.

Shalom.

MuttleyLaff:
"I and the Father, are one"
- John 10:30

"“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!""
- Deuteronomy 6:4

"Jesus answered,
"I tell you for certain that even before Abraham was, I was, and I AM.""
- John 8:58

"Then He opened their mind to understand the Scriptures"
- Luke 24:45

With the exception of Adam, himself and the exception is to a certain degree actually, every other person, from Adam, through to Enoch, Abraham, Jacob, Moses etc all learnt through their lives, they were tutored to know what they knew

Where did Jesus get His knowledge? Well where else from do you think? It is from the same source Adam got his accelerated knowledge from. Of course, Jesus got His knowledge from Himself, that's God. Watch Luke 24:45 above, lol.

John 10:36
then what about the One whom the Father
sanctified and sent into the world? How then
can you accuse Me of blasphemy for stating
that I am the Son of God?
John 17:21
that all of them may be one, as You, Father,
are in Me, and I am in You. May they also
be in Us, so that the world may believe that
You sent Me.
** John 17:21 Jesus Christ says Trinitarian view of John10:30 is off key,a FRAUD.

John10:30. 1 Cor3:8 Your deity is in agreement with his God& Father "because everything I have learned from My Father I have made known to you. "
1 Cor3:8 "Are One" does not mean the same being.
John8:28,40-42, " I came from God"
(Where does MuttleyLaff come from?
does MuttleyLaff understand Jesus statement? )
Jesus Christ can never do anything without his Father's approval.

Matt 10:32,33. Rev 3:5,12. In heaven, your deity says he will deny ALL Trinitarians
before his God & Father in heaven.
Una Trinitarians misquote John10:30 & 8:58 dey deceive yourselves.

LOGOBELT:
I am not here to CONDEMN RELIGION or go against its rules and commandments, but just to call the religious freaks among us to order.



Also, I heard of a sick 16days old baby, her parent took her to hospital here in Lagos, the doctor carried out some tests on her and discovered the baby girl needs BLOOD TRANSFUSION, the parent REFUSED, sayings Its against their RELIGION! 16days old, what has that baby done to deserve that? But thanks to Lagos state Government, who rescued the baby, took her from her parent and gave her treatments, ignoring their religion, thank God the baby girl is doing well.

Religion isnt everything... Sure God exist, am not an ATHEISTS but things should be done accordingly to save life.

Remember LIFE COMES BEFORE RELIGION.

OP, i dare say you're making carnal judgments in matters of faith and beliefs in God..
Did Jesus Christ not know that he will lose his life in other to fulfill the Scriptures?
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God is not against medical treatment, even an apostle of Jesus Christ was a Physician. Col4:14.
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But does the mode of treatment you prefer displease God?
Every way no be way oooo.
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Who is the Source of the life you want to save?
Did Abraham not know that obedience to God's command will result in the loss of his son? Matt10:32-33,37-39.
Hebrew 11:17-19, 1 Samuel 15:22.Will you disobey God ,the Source of Life, to save your life?
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With regards to that baby girl issue, the Govt officials, in my opinion were over zealous....
Also, the Press Reports was obviously biased , one sided & sensational to stoke up sentiments against one of the parties in the matter.....
************"****
Is blood transfusions the only effective treatment for child jaundice?
Were there other effective modes of medical treatment which are in consonant with the child's parents beliefs?
The truth MUST be said....

From my personal experiences and observations, blood transfusions is not the one stop cure all which people have been misled to believe it is.....
Shalom.

Preciousgirl:
I was wondering.
Looking critically at every man in the Bible, you realise, they were taught at a point. From Adam, through to Enoch, Abraham, Jacob, Moses etc all learnt through their lives, they were tutored to know what they knew.

I juxtaposed the lives of these men against that of Jesus. You realise, no one ever taught Jesus. He started teaching when he was just a little boy. Where did Jesus get His knowledge?

* John15:15
" No longer do I call you
servants, for a servant does not understand
what his master is doing. But I have called
you friends, because everything I have
learned from My Father I have made known
to you. "

* John 8:26
"I have much to say about you and much to
judge. But the One who sent Me is truthful,
and what I have heard from Him, I tell the
world."

Jesus says "he heard " & "learnt from My Father" before Jesus' sojourn on earth.
He learnt directly from the only true God ,his Father.

Ebenezar2020:
Jehovah witness is a terrorist organization and they are all the same with Islam and Catholics whose foundation were built on falsehood and deception.

Its obvious your mental faculties are not intact.
Receive sense IJNA.

Emusan:
But had it been it was about a Pastor you won't have asked for their own opinion but quickly crucified them...

JWs and hypocrisy are 5&6

Out of the abundance of your hateful heart, your mouth speaks.
You have to conjure an imaginary scenario and frame your idiotic conjecture because Emusan disdains truth and solid facts.

JW matter dey overheat your mumu brain....

hupernikao:
**** A1).
Secondly,
You are referring to articles from JW which i believe you are a member. I have gone through it.
My issue is the inability of JWs to be stable in disproving the same God (Jesus-God) issue. You seems to find convenient argument to defend your dogma. Observe the below.

- In John 1:1 ...and God was the Word: You claimed that because it is an anarthrous noun, and has no definite article then we must have "a" in front and hence cant be God.

- In 1 John 5:20...The True God and Eternal Life: In this we have a definite article, then you change to, he was talking about the pronoun "him" but not the Son. here now, you chose to neglect the Greek construction of article "the". even the use of the word eternal life is neglected in view.

(**** 2B)

- In John 20:25 My Lord and My God (ὁ κύριός μου καὶ ὁ θεός μου) meaning THE Lord of me, THE God of me. A clear usage of article THE that you held unto in John 1:1. Yet you interpreted this as Thomas own way, not Jesus approval.

See, I have told you before that the divinity of Christ as God must be proven by the whole body of Scriptures, its there for you to see all around. Christ is the center, focus, essence of the Scriptures, you can explain his oneness with God way by looking for convenience.

Now, back to John 1:1
ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος

Firstly, you should observe that the word THE was also not in "In The beginning", it was written "In beginning". The English added the word article THE for clarity. Why wasnt this questions. would we have said IN BEGINNING, then the question will be WHAT BEGINNING. As the lack of THE will implies many beginning or according to your interpretation, we should have IN A BEGINNING. If you can excused THE in arche (beginning) why sad on the adding of THE in from of Theos, why add A for Theos and THE for beginning. Now, this is even not a key argument.

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Look at the body of John 1:1 you will understand John's writing style.

I will show you key places where John ommited article THE and yet JW have no issues with it except the Theos.

John 1:1 - In thea beginning was the Word, and the Word was with (the) God, and the Word was (no article) God (Theos)
John 1:2. The same was in the a beginning with God
John 1:6 There was a man sent from (no article) "should we use a god or the God"? God (Theou), whose name was John (observe no article used for God, but you didnt translate this as "a god"
John 1:12: But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of (no article) "should we use a god or the God"? God, even to them that believe on his name:
John 1:13 - Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of (no article) "should we use a god or the God"? God.
John1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the (why not use "a father" why THE Father, full of grace and truth.

John 1:18 - Observe this well
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Both Theon and Theos was used in this verse without TOV/TON or article.

the first God here was from Theon, and it never have a TOV article THE.
θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε μονογενὴς θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρὸς ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο

So, it should be a god, right? same as Theos here, you believe it is God, why not "a god".

I will stop on this. The issue you have is you cant separate your emotions, background, English culture/writings from the way the scriptures were documented.

You must know that the original scriptures werent written in chapters/verses nor do they have space, punctuations, nor mixed of caps/small letters. They were mostly CAPS. Now imagine reading John 1:1 as it is written. Let us assume in English. This is how it will look
INTHEBEGINNINGWASTHEWORDANDTHEWORDWASWITHGODANDTHEWORDWASGOD.

Now English translation will have a lot to do to decode the arrangement and exact interpretation using English lexicons only without carrying the body of knowledge of biblical meaning and interpretation.

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What is the koine Greek usage of Theos?
Theos> a god /God.

Still, Theon NEVER referred to Jesus anywhere in the Greek scripture.

Without the article(Tov/Ton), John 1:18 doesn't in any way suggest that "only begotten son" & the Father is the same being.
You are a Greek scholar, the SCRIPTURAL Evidences for the JW position is valid,no be JW put am there for the Greek scripture.


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It is hypocrisy& intellectual dishonesty for you to cling Ho Theos in John 20:25 & turn a blind eye to "ho Theos" in 2 Corinthians 4:4. .
Both are proofs of divinity, does it make Satan Almighty God? .
Jesus himself REFUTES your claim about John 20:25, he is ascending to tov Theon, "my God & your God"(John 20:17. compare 2 Cor 3:23 "you belong to Christ and Christ belongs to God".
PROOF: Jesus is a Theos who worships tov Theon...
Hupernikao,do you believe the words of Jesus?
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The insertion of either articles ("a" or "the" is for clarity and better understanding of the holy Scriptures...

Hupernikao quote>
"See, I have told you before that the divinity of Christ as God must be proven by the whole body of Scriptures, its there for you to see all around. Christ is the center, focus, essence of the Scriptures, you can explain his oneness with God way by looking for convenience."
*Rev3:12.

"He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God"
*Compare Rev 3:5 & Matt 10:32,33.
Do you believe in the words of Jesus Christ in the spiritual realm?
Is he God in heaven or the servant of the God in heaven?
Trinity is a SCAM. Reject it !!!!!!!

hupernikao:
Now to the TOPIC:

Firstly, i asked you to explain your stand on John 1:1 not because you havent shown your stand and though earlier, i only want to treat this as a new start up thread for mental demarcation since you refused to open a new thread. But i obverse you swerved from your initial stand and explanation of your conclusion to another, See your earlier thought summarized below:



Your emphasis earlier was the fact that TOV usage on Theon means it has to be God. That any where God is referred to it carry the article THE TOV/TON.

I am sure from my earlier explanation you would have checked well and see how VERY WRONG YOU ARE INTERPRETING GREEK TEXT SCRIPTURES as an Englishman. I guess by now you have realized that Theon/Theos are same words with same meaning in Greek, that is why you cant direction. And also the usage of Ton is not sufficient to change the meaning of Theon/Theos.

To help you more, i did a further check on the Septuagint usage of Theos (i.e Greek translation of the Hebrew (OT) Scriptures)
Theos was used severally as translated as God Almighty

- Jehovah translated as Theos occurred 6513 times
- Shaddai (El) translated as Theos 48 in all occurrences
You can do further study on adonai, Elohim etc.

Theos occurs as Jehovah & EL Shaddai.
Yes.

In Greek usage,theos= a god/God.
In Greek John 1:1 Jesus was theos= a god/God.
The God (Father) = tov Theon.
What did Jesus say the Father reveal to Simon Peter?
Who did Jesus Christ says he is?
Ans> Matt 16:13-17. The son of the living God.
Ans> John10:35,36 "the sons of God are Gods.
In other words,the son of God is a God.
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John 1:18, theon has no Greek article. Yes !

Hupernikao claims that the Word theos & ton theon is the same personality/being.
In John 1:18, is Theon& theos the same being?
You mean that God dwells in the bosom of himself? In whose bosom does the holy spirit dwell?
John 1:18,says no man has seen Theon, you mean the holy scripture is lying?

Xbee007:
When someone needs blood transfusion urgently, they need it, otherwise they die. There is no alternative.

Dey there dey deceive yourself

barragan:
Transfusion to cure Jaundice? That ordinary should be a last resort situation why have the government taken it upon themselves to force it on someone's child?

Exchange of blood portends more danger for a new born than help.

You can see the level of bias & prejudice being exhibited by some overzealous individuals in the name of officialdom.
The parents can institute legal action against them,if they so desire.....

barajo1:
So the baby should die? Because of their faith

That newspaper headline& story is skewed with prejudice and bias.
JW parents would NEVER allow their children to die.
There are various forms of medical treatment which are far safer and more efficient than blood transfusions,thats what every JW seeks for.

Blood Transfusions is not the holy Grail of medical treatment.

rottennaija:
Which of the fundamental human right has precedence? The right to life or that right to believe? And when the right to life is impugned by the right to believe, which takes first place? The parents and all those involved should be charged with attempted murdered... Extremist.

Go & charge them for farther nau ?
U no know road to court?

Blood Transfusions is not the holy grail of medical treatment which medical professionals erroneously want you to believe it is- I witnessed a real life situation in a reputable hospital where 4 children died within two weeks even after massive amounts of blood Transfusions on them.
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Just imagine the hullabaloo if those kids were children of JW parents... Did that news worthy story appear in any newspaper headline?
Why?
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For the records, JWs ACCEPT & access better ,more efficient forms of medical treatment which is popular in medical sciences without blood transfusions.
Every JW is aware of the steps to take when medical emergencies occur.
The parents had other medical options of addressing the situation without blood transfusions.
The Government infringed on the Rights to choose a better form of medical treatment which does not require blood transfusions.
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Many serial abortionists & unborn baby murderers everywhere dey open their mouths to call JWs unprintable names on this thread.
Wetin Messi no go see for goalposts?
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FACT OF THE MATTER:
From the newspaper headline to the main story, the Journalists shamelessly projected his bias & prejudiced OPINIONS on this matter.
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JWs will NOT stop to obey God rather than men.
Acts 5:29,30. Acts15:28-29. Lev 17:10,14.
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The Biblical principle of obedience to Jehovah takes precedence over everything else. Men of faith like Abraham,Job and Jesus Christ understood it to the core, unlike anywhere na way NL Churchians. (Matt10:32-39. 1st Sam15:22. Hebrews 11:17-19)
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Which medical professional is perfect and wiser than Jehovah God ?