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Maximus69:
Janosky,
You see what i mean?

There are lots of insanes around but the clothes they put on prevents people from noticing them!

Just allow everyone to speak then you'll be able to distinguish between those whose brains are still functioning and insanes!

So please allow everyone to speak!
Of course a madman can also speak because he's got so many junks in his brains but he certainly lacks the ability to put words together and motivate intelligent creatures to act! Luke 6:45

That's why intelligent individuals loves to be amused at their sight, but no trading words with such! Matthew 7:6

Thank you my Bro,Maximus69.
You're so spot on, you hit the nail on the head.
That oaroloye guy is neck deep in spiritism,he's been passing off spiritism as Christianity, as if he knows Yeshua or the teachings of Yeshua..
For him mind ,Yeshua na spiritism... Lol

oaroloye:
SHALOM!

Why did oaroloye super-impose RUBBISH on my post?
Who cares that you wasted more than four decades on JUNK, that's your so called "research" ?
Wetin concern Yeshua with energy levels?
For your mind you think say you dey serve Yeshua...?
Abegi , stay your lane !

shadeyinka:
John 8:32:
"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Go back to Jesus!
Rev 3:17-18:
"Because you say, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and know not that you are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel you to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that you may be rich; and white raiment, that you may be clothed, and that the shame of your unclothedness do not appear; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see."

Janosky :
My Bro in Agric Business says a weed (junk) is any plant growing where it is not wanted (or serve a useful purpose).
For you to post John 8:32. Rev3:17,18 to my questions is equals to junk post.
Both verses never said anything about my question to you.
As long as you can't respond to these questions below, you're just dey post junk.

Answer my questions I dey ask you:
So, do you mean that "he that
overcomes" go dey inside lake of fire ?
Who threw them there or send them
there?
Wetin them go do there?

jesusjnr:
So are you also saying that you are a servant of your father?

jesusjnr:
If the Jehovah Witnesses could believe that Jesus the only begotten Son of God is the servant of God because He served His Father, then that means they also believe that they are all servants of their parents.

For the premise with which they arrived at that belief that Jesus was the servant of His Father should also apply to every single one of them.

For I believe that there is a difference between a son and a servant, and this difference can be illustrated using the Words of Jesus the only begotten Son of God.

John 8:35-36 (KJV)

And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

So the servant cannot set anyone free but the Son, and it's obvious who the Son is!

But here's another:

Matthew 21:33-39 (KJV)


So God distinguished the difference between a son and a servant, saying they would reverence His Son when He sent Him.

And also the husband men did same by their saying that this was His Heir.

So from that, we move to the next one:

Luke 15:11-24 (KJV)


Now for emphasis, the second son said he would go to his father and say that he was not worthy to be called his son because of his sin, so that the father should just make him one of is servants.

But when he went and said that to his father, it was said that his father still called him his son, and hence distinguished the difference between a son and a servant.

And next up is the second part of that story:

Luke 15:25-32 (KJV)

Now the emphasis here is the saying that the first son had served his father for many years, yet that did not make him to be a servant of his father.

That's why I believe it's very wrong for the Jehovah Witnesses to call Jesus the servant of God because He served His Father.
[quote author=jesusjnr post=79776039]So are you also saying that you are a servant of your father?

Lexicon (John 8:35).
*** A slave
δοῦλος (doulos)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 1401: (a) (as adj.) enslaved,
(b) (as noun) a (male) slave. From deo; a
slave.
** {is} not
οὐ (ou)
Adverb
Strong's Greek 3756: No, not. Also ouk, and
ouch a primary word; the absolute negative
adverb; no or not.
**** a permanent
αἰῶνα (aiōna)
Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 165: From the same as aei;
properly, an age; by extension, perpetuity;
by implication, the world; specially a
Messianic period.
** member
μένει (menei)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person
Singular
Strong's Greek 3306: To remain, abide, stay,
wait; with acc: I wait for, await. A primary
verb; to stay.
** of
ἐν (en)
Preposition
Strong's Greek 1722: In, on, among. A
primary preposition denoting position, and
instrumentality, i.e. A relation of rest; 'in, '
at, on, by, etc.
***the
τῇ (tē)
Article - Dative Feminine Singular
Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite
article. Including the feminine he, and the
neuter to in all their inflections; the definite
article; the.
***family,
οἰκίᾳ (oikia)
Noun - Dative Feminine Singular
Strong's Greek 3614: From oikos; properly,
residence, but usually an abode; by
implication, a family.
*** [but] a
ὁ (ho)
Article - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite
article. Including the feminine he, and the
neuter to in all their inflections; the definite
article; the.
***son
υἱὸς (huios)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 5207: A son, descendent.
Apparently a primary word; a 'son', used
very widely of immediate, remote or
figuratively, kinship.
**** belongs [to it]
μένει (menei)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person
Singular
Strong's Greek 3306: To remain, abide, stay,
wait; with acc: I wait for, await. A primary
verb; to stay.
***forever.
αἰῶνα (aiōna)
Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 165: From the same as aei;
properly, an age; by extension, perpetuity;
by implication, the world; "

*******Jnr Pharisee is too daft and myopic to spot the difference between Greek "doulos" (meaning a (male) slave in John8:35,36,
Matt21:33-39 ,Luke15:11-32, ) & Greek "Pais" (meaning servant/son in Acts 3:13,26. 4:27 etc ).
Greek Pais and Greek doulos have slightly different meaning, but Jnr Pharisee refuses to accept this truth.
Your half baked English knowledge can not adequately help you know the difference between "Pais" and "Doulos".
That's the reason for your confusion and idiotic posts.
The source language of the New Testament is Greek ,Jnr Pharisee rejected it and that amounts to rejection of the truth.
Shame on you.

oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!

[color=silver].[/color] DEUTERONOMY 32:22.

22. For a Fire is kindled
in Mine Anger,
and shall burn unto
The Lowest Hell,
and shall consume
the Earth with her increase,
and set on fire
the foundations
of the mountains.

Before criticizing or defending The Bible, one should have read It all.

Lord Yeshua said, the worms of HELL do not die!

***** New American Standard 1977
"For a fire is kindled in My anger, And burns
to the lowest part of Sheol, And consumes
the earth with its yield, And sets on fire the
foundations of the mountains.

***Jubilee Bible 2000
For fire shall be kindled in my anger and
shall burn unto the lowest part of Sheol and
shall consume the earth with her fruit and
burn up the foundations of the mountains."

** oaroloye, what is Sheol?
Worms,maggots in Sheol always survive on corpses they feed on, so what?


#Jeremiah 25:33
***** World English Bible
The slain of Yahweh shall be at that day
from one end of the earth even to the other
end of the earth: they shall not be lamented,
neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be
dung on the surface of the ground.


****Young's Literal Translation
And the pierced of Jehovah have been in
that day, From the end of the earth even
unto the end of the earth, They are not
lamented, nor gathered, nor buried, For dung
on the face of the ground they are."

Jehovah burns with fiery anger, does oaroloye know what it means?

*

shadeyinka:
An Angel kept them safe!? Unfortunately, there would be no Angel to keep you safe in the lake of fire!
You are on your own!

You're just dey post junk, but Answer my questions I dey ask you: So, do you mean that "he that overcomes" go dey inside lake of fire ? Who threw them there or send them there? Wetin them go do there?

shadeyinka:
Literal Gehenna is a place where dead corpse were thrown
The Gehenna Jesus was talking about is where Living beings are thrown. That is why it is translated hell.

Of course, you think when a person dies his conciousness extinguishes. Unfortunately, Jesus says no! Lazarus and the rich man is an example.

The Scripture below is a testimony against you

Rev 6:9-11:
"And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, do you not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given to every one of them; and it was said to them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brothers, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

If the dead corpse know nothing, then it is foolishness to warn him of being thrown into Literal Gehenna.

Junk, fictional post.
Isaiah 66:24 is the scripture Jesus had in mind when he spoke the words of Mark9:43.
You dey twist Rev6:9-11.
Jesus never said living beings were cast into Gehenna. He said what Isaiah 66:24 said.
**Isaiah 66:24
”New American Standard Bible
"Then they will go forth and look On the
corpses of the men Who have transgressed
against Me. For their worm will not die And
their fire will not be quenched; And they will
be an abhorrence to all mankind."
King James Bible
And they shall go forth, and look upon the
carcases of the men that have transgressed
against me: for their worm shall not die,
neither shall their fire be quenched; and they
shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."



***You know Lazarus was still conscious after death. Yet, after his resurrection (John11:44) Lazarus forgot to tell his family and friends about his memorable out of this world experience in the bosom of Abraham .....

Go look for another poo to post on NL.

shadeyinka:
Rev 2:11:
"He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit said to the churches; He that overcomes shall not be hurt of the second death."


On a second thought:
The same reason why didn't fire kill Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego?

If there's correlation between your lake of fire claims and Shadrach/his peers.
Shadrach/his peers were thrown into the burning furnace (Daniel 3:19,20,23) for their faithful integrity but an angel in the furnace kept them safe (Daniel 3:25).

So, do you mean that "he that overcomes" go dey inside lake of fire ?
Who threw them there or send them there?
Wetin them go do there?

jesusjnr:
OK I now get you.

You are saying Jehovah witnesses are confused
human beings for calling Jesus the servant of His Father.



And you're also saying that Jehovah witnesses calling Jesus servant of His Father is spitting trash.

And that the Jehovah witnesses should please make sure they get well spiritually fed before they come here to spit such trash about Jesus the only begotten Son of God!

Pais

The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 3816
Browse Lexicon
Original Word
Word Origin
paiß
perhaps from ( 3817 )
Transliterated Word
TDNT Entry
Pais
5:636,759
Phonetic Spelling
Parts of Speech
paheece 
Noun
Definition
1. a child, boy or girl
a. infants, children
2. servant, slave
a. an attendant, servant, spec. a
king's attendant, minister"

New American Standard Bible /
Acts 3:13; Acts 3:26; Acts 4:25; Acts
4:27; Acts 4:30; Acts 20:12

Acts 3:13
 "The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,
the God of our fathers, has glorified His
servant Jesus, the one whom you delivered
and disowned in the presence of Pilate,
when he had decided to release Him."

Acts 3:26
26 "For you first, God raised up His Servant
and sent Him to bless you by turning every
one of you from your wicked ways."

Acts 4:25
 who by the Holy Spirit, through the
mouth of our father David Your servant,
said, 'WHY DID THE GENTILES RAGE, AND
THE PEOPLES DEVISE FUTILE THINGS?

Acts 4:27
 For truly in this city there were gathered
together against Your holy servant Jesus,
whom You anointed, both Herod and
Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and
the peoples of Israel,

Acts 4:30
while You extend Your hand to heal, and
signs and wonders take place through the
name of Your holy servant Jesus."

Acts 20:12
 They took away the boy alive, and were
greatly comforted."


**** Idiotic Jnr Pharisee, go and delete "Pais" from the Greek language and from your Bible nau....
You opened this thread to show case your idiocy and addiction to falsehood.

Shame on you.

Emusan:
Let's see how the Bible speak.... against your ignorance.



But your deluded mind says "Jesus is the "son of man" long before his earthly life and ministry on earth."

You citing Daniel 7 is to support your lies shows how shallow your understanding of the scripture is.


The angels in question didn't TRANSFER THEIR LIFE into any BODY, so your question is irrelevant here.

Jehovah TRANSFERRED THE LIFE of your angel Michael into the womb of Mary and as the same time angel Michael has a spiritual body.

1. Where is the spiritual body where the LIFE was removed?
2. Are you saying life is a person on its own?

I even remember discussing issue like this with JWs on this forum, he said, he admitted the body must be lifeless in heaven and nobody is there to know what actually happened to the body

Emusan sense done lost inside voicemail.
* There is a physical body and a spiritual body, 1 cor15:44.
Jesus was sent from heaven to earth, likewise Angels who came from heaven to earth.
Angels transferred briefly from the spiritual to the physical realm. Nobody dwells in both realms simultaneously.
No part of Jesus was in heaven while he was on earth.


****Rev1:1,5,9-13,17,18. Jesus Christ is that some one like a son of man, he has the keys of death and Hades"
You no get any sense at all !

1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God
gave him to show to his servants a the
things that must soon take place. He made it
known by sending his angel to his servant
John,
5 and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness,
the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of
kings on earth.
To him who loves us and has freed us from
our sins by his blood.

Vision of the Son of Man
9 I, John, your brother and partner in the
tribulation and the kingdom and the patient
endurance that are in Jesus, was on the
island called Patmos on account of the word
of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10 I was
in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard
behind me a loud voice like a trumpet
11 saying, “Write what you see in a book
and send it to the seven churches, to
Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum
and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to
Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”
12 Then I turned to see the voice that was
speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven
golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of
the lampstands one like a son of man,
clothed with a long robe and with a golden
sash around his chest. 14 The hairs of his
head were white, like white wool, like snow.
His eyes were like a flame of fire, 15 his feet
were like burnished bronze, refined in a
furnace, and his voice was like the roar of
many waters. 16 In his right hand he held
seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp
two-edged sword, and his face was like the
sun shining in full strength.
17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as
though dead. But he laid his right hand on
me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the
last, 18 and the living one. I died, and behold
I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys
of Death and Hades.

OLAADEGBU:
I knew you could not truthfully answer the question without denying your false theology.

Are your lies more credible than apostle Peter's eyewitness (Acts3:12-15. 1 Pet3:18) testimony?

Lying Pharisees , John 2:22 "After he (Jesus) was raised from the dead,his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the Scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken"

****What the holy Scriptures said about Jesus resurrection...

Acts2:24 "God raised him (Jesus) from the dead".
Acts2:25 " David said about Jesus...."
Acts2:27 " because you (God) will not abandon me to the grave".
Jehovah fulfilled Psalms 16:10 & Acts 2:27 when HE raised Jesus from the dead.

Apostle Paul supports Acts 2:24,27 & John 2:22 in 1 Cor6:14.
"By his power God raised Jesus from the dead" 1Cor6:14.

*1Cor15:20 " Christ has indeed been raised from the dead ,the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep in death"
**1Cor 15:44 "it is buried a physical body,but raised a spiritual body"
Vs 45 "...the first Adam became a living soul ,the last Adam (Jesus Christ) became a life giving spirit"
Lying Pharisee, Christ was raised to life in the spirit realm first ,before any of his disciples resurrected..

### John2:19 ("Destroy this temple I will raise it again" doesn't even support your falsehood, for two reasons

*1) No Bible verse ,not even one, says Jesus Christ raised himself.

2) To say " I will raise this house" (some thing you haven't done and did not do) doesn't make you the house owner. Except there's a disconnect between your brain and your mouth.
OLAADEGBU and falsehood are Siamese twins.
He possess a unique talent for lying.
Believe him at your own peril.

dirtycoin:
Did Jesus Christ assend to the heavens in flesh?

No mind that OLAADEGBU oh LIE DEY BOKU Pharisee.

Isce:
1. Who raised Jesus from the dead? Well, it was God the Father (Gal 1:1; 1 Thess 1:10); it was also Jesus Himself (Jn 2:19; 10:17-18); and it was the Holy Spirit (Rom 8:11).

2. Who gave the new covenant? The Father (Jer 31:33-34); Jesus (Heb 8:1-13; 10:29; 12:24; 13:20); the Holy Spirit (Heb 10:15-17).

3. Who sanctifies believers? The Father (1 Thess 5:23); Jesus (Heb 13:12); the Holy Spirit (1 Pet 1:2).

4. Who is the creator? The Father (Gen 1:1; Is 44:24; Acts 17:24; Eph 3:9); Jesus (Jn 1:3; Col 1:16; Heb 1:8, 10); the Holy Spirit (Job 33:4).Job 33:4.

5. Who indwells believers? The Father (1 Cor 3:16a; 2 Cor 6:16; 1 Jn 3:24); Jesus (Jn 6:56; Rom 8:10; Eph 3:17); the Holy Spirit (Jn 14:16-17; Rom 8:9, 11; 1 Cor 3:16b). The Bible even describes this in terms of different combinations: Father and Son (Jn 14:23); Father and Holy Spirit (Eph 2:21-22; 1 Jn 3:24); Son and Holy Spirit (Gal 4:6).


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Lying Pharisee Isce, twists the truth.
*1) Jesus NEVER raised himself from death.
" I will raise it up" John2:19. I will money for a new car", LIARS is it proof that I'm a car owner?
John10:17,18 "This command I received from my Father". The Father's command resurrected Jesus.
Peter the eyewitness of Christ's resurrection said so.
"Peter said to them.... God raised Jesus from the dead" Acts 3:12,15.
** LIAR, holy spirit did not raise Jesus.
Rom8:11 "If the spirit of God who raised Jesus dwells in you,HE (God) WHO RAISED Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his spirit"

** "By his power God raised the lord from the dead,and he will raise us also" 1Cor6:14.
*Both 1Cor6:14 and Rom8:11 are complementary, nothing more to say.

Your 2 to 5 are more of an admixture of falsehood with snaky twists .

jesusjnr:
Yeah if the truth is that you are the servant of your earthly father.

You are the servant of any body or anything you serve. Rom6:16
Jnr Pharisee receive sense !

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shadeyinka:
Unfortunately for you, as of the time of Jesus, NO ONE throws Living Beings there!

You yourself is referring to Corpse being thrown there. Even your Literal interpretation fail.

Do you think worms survive in the physical literal gehenna?
Think!

Shadeyinka says Jozzy "is referring to corpse being thrown there (Gehenna)". Even your (Jozzy's) literal interpretation fail".

** Janosky reply Shadeyinka thus:
The truth MUST prevail .....
https://biblehub.com/topical/g/
gehenna.htm
Easton's Bible Dictionary


Matthew
5:22 ,29, 30; 10:28 ; 18:9 ; 23:15 , 33;
Mark
9:43 ,45,47; Luke 12:5 . In these
passages,
and also in JAMES 3:6 , the word is
uniformly
rendered "hell," the Revised Version
placing
"Gehenna" in the margin."

1**) I said "Corpses of dead criminals and filth and filth were thrown into Gehenna, any corpse at the periphery not destroyed by fire ,
worms feasted on the decomposed
corpses..
2**) James3:16 the word mistranslated
as "hell" is actually "Gehenna".
James 3:16 compares the destructive
power of Gehenna to the destructive
effects of unbridled , untamed human
tongue.
Gehenna existed during the time of
Jesus, it's not a fictional expression.
Mr Shadeyinka ,quit deceiving yourself.

shadeyinka:
Sometimes I wonder if it is lack of Intelligence or a deliberate dumbness so that your foolish Doctrines can sail the waters.


Check your reply against my quotes you presented:
All you did was validate what I have said!

My statement validates which your post?.
Your LIE that your Gehenna is hellfire?
Shadeyinka ,singing a new discordant tune.

But when Jozzy says that corpses were thrown in Gehenna, you're lying that his "literal interpretation fails".
Your words "Do you think worms survive in the physical literal gehenna?
Think!"
Your rich man is alive in hellfire but no living being was thrown into Gehenna, your hellfire.
Issorait !!
That's proof of your Gehenna is hellfire fixation.

jesusjnr:
The difference between a son and a servant as distinguished by the Words of Jesus.

John 8:35-36 (KJV)

And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Matthew 21:33-39 (KJV)

Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

Luke 15:11-24 (KJV)

And he said, A certain man had two [/b]sons:[/b]
And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
And am no more worthy to be called thy [/b]son: make me as one of thy hired [b]servants.
And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

Hence Jesus who is the Son of God is not and would never be the servant of God even though He served His Father, and any attempt by to reduce Him to that by the Antichrists and modern day Pharisees called Jehovah witnesses would not stand because it is a lie and not of God.

For if Jesus was the servant of God because He served His Father, that means that every single one of them is also a servant of his or her own father!

Luke 15:25-32 (KJV)

Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.
And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.
And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

Sons/children serve their fathers/parents but that never make them to become servants of their Fathers/parents!

Luke1:38,48,54,69. Psalm 116:16. Acts3:13,26. 4:25.
Anyone who serves the Father and God of Jesus (Eph 1:3. Rev 3:5,21. John7:16. 9:4.) is a servant of the Most High God.
Jnr Pharisee is in sifia pains.
The truth is very bitter to lying Pharisees.

shadeyinka:
Unfortunately for you, as of the time of Jesus, NO ONE throws Living Beings there!

You yourself is referring to Corpse being thrown there. Even your Literal interpretation fail.

Do you think worms survive in the physical literal gehenna?
Think!

shadeyinka:
You don't know when you are being mocked!
But, On a more serious note: what you have implied is that anywhere the word gehenna is used, it is on literal sense of course which is meaningless within the context of the verse.

I have attached James 3:6

Jam 3:6:
"And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell."

Is James also speaking about the literal Physical gehenna?

The truth MUST prevail .....
https://biblehub.com/topical/g/
gehenna.htm
Easton's Bible Dictionary
(originally Ge bene Hinnom; i.e., "the valley
of
the sons of Hinnom" , a deep, narrow glen to
the south of Jerusalem, where the idolatrous
Jews offered their children in sacrifice to
Molech ( 2 Chronicles 28:3 ; 33:6 ; Jeremiah
7:31 ; 19:2 -6). This valley afterwards
became the common receptacle for all the
refuse of
the city. Here the dead bodies of animals
and
of criminals, and all kinds of filth, were cast
and consumed by fire kept always burning.
It thus in process of time became the
image of the place of everlasting
destruction. In this
sense it is used by our Lord in Matthew
5:22 ,29, 30; 10:28 ; 18:9 ; 23:15 , 33; Mark
9:43 ,45,47; Luke 12:5 . In these passages,
and also in JAMES 3:6 , the word is
uniformly
rendered "hell," the Revised Version placing
"Gehenna" in the margin.

Corpses of dead criminals and filth were thrown into Gehenna, any corpse at the periphery not destroyed by fire , worms feasted on the decomposed corpses..

2**) James3:16 the word mistranslated as "hell" is actually "Gehenna".
James 3:16 compares the destructive power of Gehenna to the destructive effects of unbridled , untamed human tongue.

Gehenna existed during the time of Jesus, it's not a fictional expression.
Mr Shadeyinka ,quit deceiving yourself.

Barristter07:
Who is this one ?

Is a spiritual body physical ?

Lifestyletonite is another Pharisee addicted to junk posts and falsehood .
Emusan ,Shadeyinka and alB Pharisee crew members
Their sense enter voice mail since 19gbidigbidi...

Emusan:
Imagine, using this style to boycott my questions.

You said "he was born of a woman, he called himself. "son of man"".

Olodo...I will keep exposing your ignorance!

Daniel 7 never called Jesus son of man but "someone like a son of man"

Matthew 24 also, was after Jesus became man not about His preexistence.



Meanwhile, why we're still on that, you haven't addressed this part of my previous post

1. Where was Jesus spiritual body?
2. You mean Jehovah killed the person of Micheal by only TRANSFERRING His Life (let me watch something here, you may shot yourself in the legs)
3. From these two statements, must there not be something left from what God sent?

Emusan keeps exposing his hypocrisy, LIES and stone cold hatred of Bible truth.
Let's see the Bible speak....

*1). Jesus is indeed "some one like a son of man" in Daniel 7:13,14.
Rev1:9-18 gives solid backing to Dan7:13.
In Dan7:14, he was given authority ,glory and power by the Ancient of Days.
Daniel7:14 validates Eph1:17-22 ,The God of our lord Jesus Christ placed all things (authority, power) under Jesus feet".

,**2) Where was the spiritual bodies of angels who paid visits to Zechariah (Luke1:11), Lot (Gen19:1,2) and Gideon ( Judges6:11,12) when they were on earth ?

alBHAGDADI:
Janosky keeps shouting "Jesus didn't come get back to get the ransom he gave".

That's the same as saying Jesus is powerless and has limits to what he can do. But below is Jesus saying all power has been given to him on Earth and in Heaven, which definitely includes the power to take back his body.

Matthew 28:18 (KJV)
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Same Jesus whom you've been trying to say neglected his body after resurrection actually didn't do such. That's because he stated below that he will raise his body again.

Your mumu post is the equivalent of saying that because the powers of Vice President was conferred on your brother, therefore, Osinbade is no longer a Professor of Law.
Stop being foolish and going about twisting the holy Scriptures.
Jesus is still my Ransomer & Messiah ooo!

Excerpts from biblehub.com

"To give his life a ransom for many.—The
word rightly rendered “ransom,” is primarily
“a price made for deliverance,” and in this
sense it is found in the Greek version of the
Old Testament for “the ransom” which is
accepted instead of a man’s life in Exodus
21:30 , for the “price of redemption”.
No shade of doubt accordingly rests
on the meaning of the word.
” It could only be accomplished by the payment of a price,and that price was His (Jesus) own life. The language of the Epistles as to the "redemption that is in Christ Jesus,” our beng “bought with a price” ( Romans 3:24 ,1 Corinthians 6:20 ), “redeemed by His
precious blood” ( 1Peter 1:19 ),"
Jesus bought you lying alB Pharisees with a price.
Shame on you for denial and rejection of the ransom price my Messiah paid for your deliverance.
This alB Pharisees, your brain needs reset.

Emusan:
Then he stop being a spirit at some point, how come?

To go with your logic simply means God didn't send anything...because something from what God sent must remain in the human nature.

Now you agree that Jesus called Himself Son of man speaks volume but go through the story of Stephen while being stoned to death, what did he see?

The scripture says "and he said: “Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.” NWT

So for Stephen to call the resurrected Christ Son of man when he saw him in heaven should tell you that Jesus was still with His flesh not spirit.

Even John in revelation saw Jesus as Son of man.

Most astonished among them is Apostle Paul calling Jesus Christ "MAN" when he said "there is only one mediator between God and man, the MAN Jesus"

Only a brainwashed person like you will agree that Paul is calling a spirit man

I know your narration will change again....




But the case of Christ must be different since he doesn't have such supernatural power. Meanwhile, He is the one who created everything and still sustain the UNIVERSE by His power.

See this article about Jesus from your publication:

"4 So before being born on earth as a man Jesus had been in heaven as a mighty spirit person. He had a spirit body invisible to man, just as God has."

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989096

"3 Jehovah transferred the life of Jesus from heaven to the womb of Mary by means of holy spirit."

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20121201/why-did-god-send-jesus

This first says Jesus had a "SPIRITUAL BODY" and the second says "Jehovah TRANSFERRED the LIFE of Jesus"

1. Where was Jesus spiritual body?
2. You mean Jehovah killed the person of Micheal by only TRANSFERRING His Life (let me watch something here, you may shot yourself in the legs)
3. From these two statements, must there not be something left from what God sent?

know nothing lying Pharisees pretending to be Christian.
Jesus is the "son of man" long before his earthly life and ministry on earth.
To call Jesus son of man has nothing to do with whether he's in in heaven or earth.
Matt24:30. Daniel 7:13,14.
Go and dump your mumu doctrine inside dustbin.
Shikena !

shadeyinka:
Deliberatly, I attached the interlinear Greek Translation of Mk9:43. Please what was the Greek word used for Hell?

Was the word μνημεῖον or γέενναν used for Hell?

It is you who is deliberately closing your eye to the truth. I will do you a favour by attaching the screenshot of Mk9:43 here again.

You're still being dishonest.
Did Jesus Christ say Gehenna is hellfire?
In other words , is Gehenna actually the AUTHENTIC Greek word for hellfire?
Lying Pharisees parading KJV fake translation of hell in Mark9:43.

Shame on you.

shadeyinka:
I honestly believe that you are confused!
I asked you to find just one single verse in the new testament where the grave was was described as hell or even vice versa, you couldn't find any. I had to read your post several times to see if there is any sense to be gleaned:but alas!

You now found the Greek word μνημεῖον (Transliteration: mnémeion) meaning Grave or Tomb . And of all your copy-paste, you couldn't show that it could mean Hell anywhere in your post. SMH!




mnemeion is grave NOT Hell

Mar 9:43:
"And if your hand offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:"

The word used as hell in the Scripture above is γέενναν which transliterated is geennan (Gehenna).

Can you see that you've been decieved?

Mr Shade , you're very dishonest here.
In Mark9:43, Gehenna is not hellfire, but you have ALWAYS referenced Mark9:43 as hellfire even though Jesus NEVER said so.

** Let's see the original meaning of mnemeion...
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 3419: μνημεῖον
μνημεῖον , μνημείου , τό ;
1. "any visible object for preserving or
recalling the memory of any person or thing;
a memorial, monument" (Aeschylus, Pindar,
Sophocles, and following); in Biblical Greek
so in Wis. 10:7; specifically, a sepulchral
monument: οἰκοδομεῖν μνημεῖα , Luke 11:47" $$$$ ****
Even when Luke 11:47 confirm that mnemeion is a monument,
**Acts 2:27 is a quote of Psalms 16:10.
New International Version
because you will not abandon me to the
realm of the dead, you will not let your holy
one see decay.
New Living Translation
For you will not leave my soul among the
dead or allow your Holy One to rot in the
grave.
English Standard Version
For you will not abandon my soul to Hades,
or let your Holy One see corruption.
Berean Study Bible
because You will not abandon my soul to
Hades, nor will You let Your Holy One see
decay.
Berean Literal Bible
for You will not abandon my soul into
Hades, nor will You allow Your Holy One to
see decay.
New American Standard Bible
BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT ABANDON MY
SOUL TO HADES, NOR ALLOW YOUR HOLY
ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY.
King James Bible
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell,
neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see
corruption.
** Whenever a man deceives himself with
LIES, the bitter truth gives him sifia pains.
Shadeyinka, you see your life of stubborn
pride laid bare?


##** Crooked LIAR deceiving himself.
Hebrew Sheol and Greek Hades is the "grave".
The evidence is solid and incontrovertible.
Greek 'mnemeion' is first and foremost, a monument
Mnemeion is also the Greek word for "tomb" & by extension, "grave".
To reject Hades as grave but hang on to "mnemeion" ,that's the height of dishonesty and fraud.

alBHAGDADI:
Does this one think anyone is reading this pile of Greek copy and paste post? He's acting as if he was born Greek.

alB Pharisee dey fear Greek like pikin wey him Mama see am dey thief meat inside soup pot, because Greek exposes your half baked mumu post and junk.
To reject Greek meaning of New Testament (NT) words amounts to rejection of the truth encapsulated in the Christian Greek scriptures.
Crooked Pharisees runneth from New Testament Greek when no one pursues them.
Lol.

shadeyinka:
Even after digging up so much Greek, you couldn't find the word translated as Grave or Tomb?
You are in soup because you've been obviously scammed!

Everyone know that Sheol can mean several different things so that in the old testament English translations we can differ over the proper context of usage of words.

Unfortunately for you, the Greek is too explicit that you can't lie that Hell is the Grave.

Jesus spoke more than anyone else in the Scriptures of Hell. What if you've been wrong?

I talk am before say your way no straight.

Bible > Strong's > Greek > 3419
◄ 3419. mnémeion
►
Strong's Concordance
mnémeion: a memorial, a monument
Original Word: μνημεῖον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: mnémeion
Phonetic Spelling: (mnay-mi'-on)
Definition: a memorial, a monument
Usage: a tomb, sepulcher, monument.
HELPS Word-studies
3419 mnēmeíon (a neuter noun derived from
3451 /mousikós , "to remember, keep in
memory" – a tomb (sepulchre).
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from mnémé
Definition
a memorial, a monument
NASB Translation
monuments (1), tomb (30), tombs (7).
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 3419: μνημεῖον
μνημεῖον , μνημείου , τό ;
1. "any visible object for preserving or
recalling the memory of any person or thing;
a memorial, monument" (Aeschylus, Pindar,
Sophocles, and following); in Biblical Greek
so in Wis. 10:7; specifically, a sepulchral
monument: οἰκοδομεῖν μνημεῖα , Luke 11:47 ;
Josephus, Antiquities 13, 6, 5.
2. in the Scriptures a sepulchre, tomb:
Matthew 23:29 ; Matthew 27:52, 60 ;
Matthew 28:8 ; Mark 5:2 ; Mark 6:29 ; Luke
11:44 ; John 5:28 ; John 11:17, 31 , and often
in the Gospels; Acts 13:29 ; the Sept. for
קֶבֶר, Genesis 23:6, 9 ; Genesis 50:5 ; Isaiah
22:16 , etc.
Monument bearing the name of the dead on top of their tomb ,that's the primary meaning.

If you're not deceitful show us where mnemeion is written in Mark9:43?

Shame on you !

shadeyinka:
Only fake translations would translate the Greek HADES to Grave in Rev 20:13. The interlinear Greek English is presented in the attached picture.

If this is your best answer
Do you now agree that there is not a single passage in the New Testament that refer to or describes the grave as Hell!

This bro is in sifia pains.

$$$ ** https://biblehub.com/
greek/86.htm
****## Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 86: Ἅιδης
1. a proper name, Hades, Pluto, the
god of
the lower regions; so in Homer always.
2. an appellative, Orcus, the nether
world,
the realm of the dead (cf: Theocritus,
idyll.
2,159 schol. τήν τοῦ ᾅδου κρούει
πύλην .
τουτ' ἔστιν ἀποθανεῖται . In the Sept.
the
Hebrew שְׁאול is almost always
rendered by
this word (once by θάνατος , 2 Samuel
22:6 )
; it denotes, therefore, in Biblical Greek
Orcus, the infernal regions, a dark
( Job
10:21 ) and dismal place (but cf.
γέεννα and
παράδεισος) in the very depths of the
earth
( Job 11:8 ; Isaiah 57:9 ; Amos 9:2 "

**Acts 2:27 is a quote of Psalms 16:10.

New International Version
because you will not abandon me to the
realm of the dead, you will not let your holy
one see decay.
New Living Translation
For you will not leave my soul among the
dead or allow your Holy One to rot in the
grave.
English Standard Version
For you will not abandon my soul to Hades,
or let your Holy One see corruption.
Berean Study Bible
because You will not abandon my soul to
Hades, nor will You let Your Holy One see
decay.
Berean Literal Bible
for You will not abandon my soul into
Hades, nor will You allow Your Holy One to
see decay.
New American Standard Bible
BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT ABANDON MY
SOUL TO HADES, NOR ALLOW YOUR HOLY
ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY.
King James Bible
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell,
neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see
corruption.


** Whenever a man deceives himself with LIES, the bitter truth gives him sifia pains.
Shadeyinka, you see your life of stubborn pride laid bare?

shadeyinka:
The correct thing is to look at ALL the several shades of meaning of Hades and see if it translates into the word GRAVE!

Languages do not always have equivalent translations
Example:

IN ENGLISH Fire: could mean
1. Flame
2. Fire as in shooting from a Gun (fired a Gun)
3. Fire as in Sack from employment
IN YORUBA Ina: could mean
1. Flame
2. Trouble (Ina ma o Loni) You are in trouble today
3. Lice (an insect)

The question really is:
Translate Hades into every shade of its meaning and it wouldn't mean Grave.

You desperately want Hades to mean Grave but sorry it doesn't.

https://www.bibletools.org
Hades
"(verse 23) is the Greek word for
"grave." The King James Version
generically translates hades into "hell,"
as it also does the Greek words
tartarus (the present condition of
darkness and restraint of the fallen
angels or demons) and gehenna (a
place at the bottom of a high ledge at
the south end of Jerusalem where
garbage and dead bodies were
dumped and burned). Other Bible
translations correctly distinguish the
different meaning in these words."

$$$ ** https://biblehub.com/greek/86.htm

****## Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 86: Ἅιδης

1. a proper name, Hades, Pluto, the god of
the lower regions; so in Homer always.
2. an appellative, Orcus, the nether world,
the realm of the dead (cf: Theocritus, idyll.
2,159 schol. τήν τοῦ ᾅδου κρούει πύλην .
τουτ' ἔστιν ἀποθανεῖται . In the Sept. the
Hebrew שְׁאול is almost always rendered by
this word (once by θάνατος , 2 Samuel 22:6 )
; it denotes, therefore, in Biblical Greek
Orcus, the infernal regions, a dark ( Job
10:21 ) and dismal place (but cf. γέεννα and
παράδεισος) in the very depths of the earth
( Job 11:8 ; Isaiah 57:9 ; Amos 9:2 "

*** Bro, be humble and ditch your pride.
Accept the truth..
In my last post to you on this thread, I had advice you to "stop deceiving yourself ".
That advice still stands.

shadeyinka:
Escape tactics as usual:
Can you find a single new testament verse that calls or describes hell as the grave?

When you base your scam on a flawed verse in( Mark 9:43 KJV), get ready for the rug to be swept off your feet.

shadeyinka:
Instead of refuting each of the Scriptures I've presented, you are busy throwing tantrums all about.
Let's hear what Jesus had to say about that which you present

John 10:17-18:
"Therefore does my Father love me, because I lay down my life , that I might take it again. No man takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again . This commandment have I received of my Father."

See how you are using your temper to deliberatly avoid the truth
I present the Question again:

Very simple: Jesus body was buried, his body was buried, his spirit materialised! What happened to his body?

Please correlate your answer with the Scripture:

John 2:19-21
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Why do you despise the TRUTH this much?

Shadeyinka has actually despised the truth.
You deny & reject the ransom sacrifice of Jesus body in Matt20:28 & Hebrew 10:10. The keys words are ransom and sacrifice...
You pretend not to know their meaning and implications...
*** Worst still, John 2:19-21 doesn't even help your cause.
John2:22 reads: "After he was raised up from the dead,his disciples recalled what he had said"


##*** The vital question is what are the eye witness reports about Jesus resurrection?

After payment of your ransom with his
broken body, Jesus was "put to death in the physical realm, and Jesus came back to life in the spiritual realm" 1 Peter3:18.
Apostle Peter was an eye witness of Jesus
resurrection and MORE CREDIBLE than
Shadeyinka. Apostle Peter is stating SOLID
FACTS ! Acts 3:12-15.

Shadeyinka doesn't believe Apostle Peter's eye witness account of Jesus resurrection, you're just twisting the scriptures to form
man made conjectures.

Besides, only spirits like Jesus can appear and disappear at any time. 1Cor15:6.

*** You quote 1 Cor15:38-54 , wear your
eye glasses ,read again verses 43-47,
applied to Jesus resurrection .
Between Jesus and his apostle/ disciples,
who first went to heaven?
*Jesus disciples go fit enjoy anything wey
Jesus never enjoy?
Not at all.
** "Christ has been raised from the dead ,the
first fruit of those who have fallen asleep in
death" 1Cor15:20-23.

Shadeyinka show proof that apostle Peter is lying. Pronto !

Emusan:
This is where we are going...

Why did you people then conclude that the once angel Michael a spirit being after came to earth (as Jesus) became FULLY HUMAN and stop being a SPIRIT being?

I know your tune will change now....

To your question:
The angel is still a spirit



The question is, do they become FULLY HUMAN BEING at the time of using HUMAN BODIES or their Spirit being was covered with human nature?

***Emphasis on the Human BODIES

You've already confirmed it above that they didn't stop being a spirit while taking up human nature.

lemme see how you'll solve these two contradictory statements.

Jesus passed through the human process of gestation prior to his birth. He was born of a woman, he calls himself. "son of man".
That speaks volumes.

** Angels simply used their God given supernatural powers to appear to men with a human body temporarily for the mission they were sent to do.

Emusan:
So what happened to other HUMAN BODIES your Jesus used to deceive his disciples?

Are they for sacrifice too

I challenge you to show credible proof that " Jesus used to deceive his disciples" with "other HUMAN BODIES",
If you don't, you're a confirmed LIAR.