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ChristianNorth:
Christian definition of the Trinity remains the same "the union of the father, son and Holy Spirit as one God"

JW are shameless revisionists, so we don't care about what your lies.

Read 1 Tim 3:15-16 and stop being stupid with only verse 15.

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Janosky:
*** 1,tim3:16
https://biblehub.com/1_timothy/3-16

*LEXICON
" ...He appeared in the flesh..."

** Here, in the most ancient authorities,the word 'God' does not occur .
We must then literally translate the Greek of the most famous and trustworthy manuscript as follows:
"He who manifested in the flesh"

The Textus Receptus (TR) English bibles removed "he" in the Greek manuscript and dubiously inserted 'God',to support Trinity scam.

Christian Not indeed .

This Lying Pharisee dey vex because him scam for 1tim3:15,16 were exposed .

That your definition of your scam no dey anywhere for your Bible,last last you go denge pose with the well known Textus Receptus fraud of 1john5:7 wey Trinity believers done know& talk say na Iwuruwuru

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/
An_Historical_Account_of _Two
_Notable_Corruptions_of_Scripture

OLAADEGBU:
"For all the gods of the people are idols but the LORD made the heavens" (1 Chronicles 16:26).

Now tell me if you know, who is the LORD that made the heavens?

***"Jehovah made the heavens"
1 chro16:26
#Darby Bible Translation
#Young's Literal Translation
#American Standard Version

" Lord Jehovah created (qanah) me at the beginning of his creation..".(Aramaic Bible).

"I was there when he set the heavens in place" Prov8:22,27.

You are truly confused because in the OT , the name of God (YHWH- Jehovah/ Yahweh) was removed by many Bible translators and replaced with the title 'LORD'.

Ubenedictus:
All I asked is to provide proof of the vatican pressuring Erasmus and instead you provided a protestant site to reinforce your claim.

So i take it you cant provide me with the letter from the vatican pressuring Erasmus?

What was the fate of individuals who expressed dissent to Catholic Church doctrines or opposed the Vatican official position in the 1400/1500?
What was the fate of Michael Servetus who rejected the Trinity?

What would be the fate of Erasmus if he had declined to insert the Comma Johanneum (a fraud the Catholic Church staunchly supported for over 300 hundred years after the deed was done)?

OK na , provide me with the letter where the Vatican endorsed Erasmus to translate the Bible in the 1515.

ChristianNorth:
I am sorry you guys argue blindly. My father is my master and his words carry authority than mine, does that make him my god?

No. Thomas recognised Jesus as his God because Jesus is a deity.


There is no single christian organisation that recognises Jesus as the supreme god. He is the second person in the Godhead.

You guys understanding of trinity is wacked and the way you people depicts it graphically is so stupid.

Trinity is the union of the father, son and Holy spirit as one. This means there is one God who exists in 3 dimensions. They are the same and yet separate.


Read from verse 15 of your New World Translation and stop being mischievous.


I was born into a JW family, so don't be stupid.


If he is given the title mighty God, then he is a God. It is as simple as that.


A virgin will give birth to a son and his name shall be called Emmanuel; God with us.

Keep interpreting the Bible to suit your warped ideologies, the truth remains that Jesus is a God.

You guys believe that everything that was made was made by Jesus, that Jehovah created only Jesus, the first born of all creations.

Yeah, you are right because the Bible said so.

The same Bible said, in the beginning God created Heaven and Earth.

If you believe that God created everything and that everything that was made was made through Jesus, then simple logic says he is a God.

Jesus is A God not God, he is the second person in the Godhead.

This is the Christian North Trinity radically different from the Catholic Church Trinity of Ubenedictus and Deeper Life Trinity of Olaadegbu or non denominational brocab ,solite3& johnw47 Trinity .
None of them will agree with your wacky Trinity.
Your confusion is awesome!
Man is a deity ,angel is a deity. Psalms 82:1,6. Jn10:34-36(KJV)
If Jesus is a deity,& so what?
***1tim3:15
But in case I am delayed that you may know how to conduct yourself in God's household,which is the congregation of the living God, a pillar and support of the truth"
You too sabi lie.

Emusan:
When I said you're a confirm Olodo...y
some people won't believe but just look at your delusion...

So to be an Apostle now mean to die...

Jesus is a mighty God and Jehovah is a mighty God, how many God do you have? That's the question!

"God stands in the congregation of the mighty ;he judges among the gods"
"I have said ,'you are gods'; you are all sons of the Most High"
Psalms 82:1,6.

Deu10:17.Jehovah is a mighty God
Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is a mighty God.
Psalms 82:1,6. man is a mighty God and angels are mighty Gods.
Mighty God is a title for JEHOVAH ,.,title for Jesus and a title for man/angels.

** How many Gods do you have?
Oya respond !
If anybody deserved "olodo" title , it is you Emusan because out of the abundance of your ignorance and unbelief ,your post speaks.

Ubenedictus:
That decree was issued 300 years after the death of erasmus. So tell me how that proves that the vatican was pressuring erasmus in germany after his death?

Ubenedictus is playing kalokalo with the truth.

"Due to intense pressure from the Catholic Church and others who wanted it included because of it's support for trinitarianism, Erasmus included the comma johanneum in later editions of the textus receptus"
https://gotquestions.org/Comma-Johanneum.html

Your fellow trinitarian made the disclosure.

Everybody knows the Catholic Church endorsed the works of Erasmus in it's entirety.

Englishman Isaac Newton "argued that it (comma johanneum) was first taken into a Greek text in 1515 by Cardinal Ximenes on the strength of a late Greek manuscript "corrected" from the Latin"
Source:" An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture, Wikipedia)

(Your Church history will tell you who Cardinal Ximenes was- not a man to be messed with.)

** The Church NEVER faulted the comma johanneum at anytime.

* * * You know your Church wielded great power and influence at the time, as a result, it was heresy to speak against Trinity,or any Church doctrine, at the risk of persecution.or death by hanging/ burning. For instance, Servetus.

*** For 3 centuries after Erasmus demise,in 1897, the Catholic Church was still staunchly opposed to any criticism ,dissent or rejection of the comma johanneum .
That time wey people done see say comma johanneum na wayo,lie lie the Catholic Church say make all man shut up.

No wonder Isaac Newton accused the Catholic Church of pious fraud.

Mr Ubeneditus , that is concrete proof . Don't deceive your self.

Omooba224:
I repeat again which of the gods? You don't mean your megalomaniac genocidal psychopath you call God. You are trying too hard to mesmerize me with your brainwashed nonsense. It is you that needs a lobotomy so as to remove all the fufu in your brain and fill it with rationality. Shalom!

Wow !!
Mumu atheist dey great shalom?
Wetin concern atheism with religious greeting of Judaism?
You foolishly say God no dey exist, but you dey "thief" the greeting wey Yahweh worshippers dey take do fellowship for their synagogues.
Your buffoonery is legendary.
Nonsensical brainwashed atheist.

Omooba224:
I repeat again which of the gods? You don't mean your megalomaniac genocidal psychopath you call God. You are trying too hard to mesmerize me with your brainwashed nonsense. It is you that needs a lobotomy so as to remove all the fufu in your brain and fill it with rationality. Shalom!

Mumu atheist dey great shalom?
Wetin concern atheism with a religious greeting of Judaism?
You foolishly say God no dey exist, but you dey "thief" the greeting wey Yahweh worshippers dey take do fellowship for their synagogues.

Your buffoonery is legendary.
Nonsensical brainwashed atheist.

soulpeppersoup:
13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (John 3:13).

Jesus was the one who made this statement. He wasn't talking to angels but to humans who were on earth.

You don't understand the scripture. I'm not in the mode to explain it.


Jesus was not suppose to die having not sinned after the similitude of Adam.

Why did Jesus die when he didn't have the sin of Adam in him?

"And no man had ascended into heaven,but he that came down from heaven even the son of man (Jesus)"
John 3:13 is crystal clear and to the point.
In other words Jesus said he never saw Elijah and Enoch in heaven ("no man hath ascended into heaven"


** Man is imperfect.
"None can by any means redeem himself or his brother nor give to God a ransom for him" Psalms 49:8

Jesus was perfect, without sin.
1Pet1:21-24.
He was the perfect person to offer ransom sacrifice of himself for us and regain the prospect of everlasting life for (all offspring of Adam) which Adam lost because of sin. (Matt18:11. 1cor15:21,22,45).
The perfect man Christ gave himself as a ransom for all ( 1tim2:6
Matt20;28).

Ubenedictus:
Erasmus was a 16th century scholar, the document you are bringing was written in the 19th century abt 300 yrs after the death of erasmus.

So erasmus was instructed by the pope 300yrs after his death?
is that coherent in your mind?
that is what happens when u guys peddle false stories like ur false prophesies.

Mr man you can't dodge the truth.
For over 2 centuries,Your Pope never issued formal rebuttal of Johannine comma.
As a result of discovery of older more authentic Greek manuscripts, there were growing awareness among bible scholars that Erasmus third edition translation had a dubious insert in 1john5:7.
In 1897,the Catholic Church issued that decree to back the Johannine comma rather than flow with the growing wave of dissent to the TR. for obvious reasons-

OLAADEGBU:
Is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian?
by Matt Slick
12/05/08

The answer to the question is, "No. It is not Christian." Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. These make it non-Christian. In addition, to support its erring doctrines, the Watchtower organization (which is the author and teacher of all official Jehovah's Witness' theology) has altered the Bible to make it agree with its changing and non-Christian teachings.

Typical with cults that use the Bible to support its position is a host of interpretive errors:

1) Taking verses out of their immediate context.
2) Refusing to read verses in the entire biblical context.
3) Inserting their theological presuppositions into the text.
4) Altering the Biblical text to suit their needs.
5) Latching onto one verse to interpret a host of others.
6) Changing the meanings of words.
7) Proclaiming some passages to be figurative when they contradict their doctrines.
8.) Adding to the Word of God.

Additionally, the Jehovah's Witness' organization requires of its member's regular weekly attendance at their "Bible Study" meetings where they are repeatedly indoctrinated with anti-Christian teachings. This is done by reading the Watchtower magazine, following along with what it says, reading the questions it asks, and reciting the answers it gives. In other words, the Watchtower Organization carefully trains its members to let the Organization do their thinking for them. For confirmation of this, please read Does the Watchtower organization control the JW's thinking?

The Witnesses are told they will be persecuted when they go door-to-door teaching their doctrines. They are further told that this is simply the enemy fighting against God's organization because they are in "the truth." So, when someone disagrees with them, they are conditioned to reflect on what the Watchtower has told them. They then feel confirmed in being in God's true organization on earth (like all cults claim). They are strongly encouraged to have friends and acquaintances that are only JW's, thereby keeping outside examination to a minimum. They are told to shun those who leave their group, for in this way there is no way to see why someone has left and no way to find out that they are in error from those who have found the truth in Christ. They are conditioned to shy away from any real biblically knowledgeable person. An example of this is frequently found on the Internet. I was once banned from a Jehovah's Witness' chat room after I not only answered their objections to the Trinity and deity of Christ but also challenged them in return. Subsequently, my name was passed around to all other Jehovah's Witness' rooms where I was banned from them as well. This is a frequent occurrence on the Internet where the Jehovah's Witnesses are alive and well. It is obvious that critical examination of their doctrines is not encouraged by the Watchtower Organization.

The Jehovah's Witnesses consider themselves to be Christians because they believe they are serving the true and living God. Like many cults, they think they are the only true church on earth. Yet, they deny the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the personhood of the Holy Spirit, Jesus' physical resurrection, and salvation by grace through faith.

The Jehovah's Witnesses are discouraged from looking into Jehovah's Witness' history or old Watchtower literature which is replete with contradictions, altered doctrines, and false prophecies. Instead, they are indoctrinated repeatedly against basic Christian doctrines (Trinity, deity of Christ, etc.,) and into the notion that they alone are the true servants of God and that all others are either in "Christendom" or simply unbelievers.

Primarily, the Jehovah's Witness' organization is a mind-control organization that uses its people to pass out literature and send in "donations" to the headquarters in Brooklyn, New York.

"Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization and not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible."(The Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1967, p. 587.)

I.

Matt Slick and olaadegbu are liars who spread falsehood about JWs.
https://nairaland.com/4062678/deeper-life-bible-cult
https://nairaland.com/1049799/some-deeper-life-practices-alien
olaadegbu belongs to deeper life Bible cult spoon fed by kumuyi. Kumuyi's word is law, traits of a cult.

ChristianNorth:
Yes, Jesus is God. Read John 20:28. I know you guys expunged part of the bible or changed the wordings. Even your New World Translation couldn't change that.

Can you explain 1 Tim 3:16, ...God was manifested in the flesh

Can you also explain Isa 9:6: Unto us a son is born... His name shall be called MIGHTY GOD, ETERNAL FATHER...

What about Isa 7:14: a virgin shall give birth to a son and his name shall be called Emmanuel (God with us)

Explain what all these mean or keep quite.

John 20:28 Thomas called Jesus my Lord and my God"
*Jesus is the Master of Thomas and his words carry more authority than Thomas.


John20:17Jesus said to his followers:'I am going to my Father and your Father,my God and your God"
Jesus & Thomas worship the Father and God of Jesus who is Superior ,greater than Jesus ( John 14:28).
Jesus is not the Supreme God he worships.

*** 1,tim3:16
https://biblehub.com/1_timothy/3-16

*LEXICON
" ...He appeared in the flesh..."

** Here, in the most ancient authorities,the word 'God' does not occur .
We must then literally translate the Greek of the most famous and trustworthy manuscript as follows:
"He who manifested in the flesh"

The Textus Receptus (TR) English bibles removed "he" in the Greek manuscript and dubiously inserted 'God',to support Trinity scam.

*Your claim that JWs "expunged"
or changed things in the Bible is a lie.. Ignorance and lies fed to you by pastorpreneurs be una problem.

Isa9:6,psalms 82:1,6,psalms 24:8 mighty God is a title for Jesus, for man and for Jehovah accordingly.

* In Isaiah 7:14 you are telling us that virgin Mary gave birth to God in the flesh, therefore she is the mother of God. (Alu mere!)

Ubenedictus:
Erasmus made 2 edition without the comma in the 16th century, and nobody beat him up or took him to the church court for wrongful translation, the church didnt excommunicate him but allowed the 2 editions without the comma!

So please tell us which letter u have that shows that Erasmus was forced even those the clearest explanation is that he used a different manuscript?

Janosky:
****


The official Catholic Church position on the Johannine comma testified to their solid support of the spurious insertion in 1John5:7.

https://www.catholic.com/qa/what-is-the-johannine-gloss

"...... the Church considered it necessary in it's decree of January 13,1897 to caution it's scholars against rashly rejecting or doubting the authenticity of this passage"

The Catholic Church was solidly behind the insertion of the Johannine comma into 1John5:7.

Erasmus would not have started the translations with out Papal blessing.

Ubenedictus:
Erasmus made 2 edition without the comma in the 16th century, and nobody beat him up or took him to the church court for wrongful translation, the church didnt excommunicate him but allowed the 2 editions without the comma
So please tell us which letter u have that shows that Erasmus was forced even those the clearest explanation is that he used a different manuscript?

Your Catholic church owned website confirmed the Catholic Church "cautioned its scholars against rashly rejecting or doubting the authenticity of the passage(1st John 5:7 )",you are dodging the proof.
U no get your Pope phone contact? Call am nau?
Lol

Ubenedictus:
So here we have it, Jehovah itself was a word created by mixing up 2 names.

Your claim is a conjecture not every scholar agrees with .
Besides YHWH also called Yahweh had the addition of two vowels to the consonants YHWH.
If u preferred Yahweh ,its OK.
If it's Jehovah ,you are still on point.

*

OLAADEGBU:
Is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian?
by Matt Slick
12/05/08

The answer to the question is, "No. It is not Christian." Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness' organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. These make it non-Christian. In addition, to support its erring doctrines, the Watchtower organization (which is the author and teacher of all official Jehovah's Witness' theology) has altered the Bible to make it agree with its changing and non-Christian teachings.

Typical with cults that use the Bible to support its position is a host of interpretive errors:

1) Taking verses out of their immediate context.
2) Refusing to read verses in the entire biblical context.
3) Inserting their theological presuppositions into the text.
4) Altering the Biblical text to suit their needs.
5) Latching onto one verse to interpret a host of others.
6) Changing the meanings of words.
7) Proclaiming some passages to be figurative when they contradict their doctrines.
8.) Adding to the Word of God.

Additionally, the Jehovah's Witness' organization requires of its member's regular weekly attendance at their "Bible Study" meetings where they are repeatedly indoctrinated with anti-Christian teachings. This is done by reading the Watchtower magazine, following along with what it says, reading the questions it asks, and reciting the answers it gives. In other words, the Watchtower Organization carefully trains its members to let the Organization do their thinking for them. For confirmation of this, please read Does the Watchtower organization control the JW's thinking?

The Witnesses are told they will be persecuted when they go door-to-door teaching their doctrines. They are further told that this is simply the enemy fighting against God's organization because they are in "the truth." So, when someone disagrees with them, they are conditioned to reflect on what the Watchtower has told them. They then feel confirmed in being in God's true organization on earth (like all cults claim). They are strongly encouraged to have friends and acquaintances that are only JW's, thereby keeping outside examination to a minimum. They are told to shun those who leave their group, for in this way there is no way to see why someone has left and no way to find out that they are in error from those who have found the truth in Christ. They are conditioned to shy away from any real biblically knowledgeable person. An example of this is frequently found on the Internet. I was once banned from a Jehovah's Witness' chat room after I not only answered their objections to the Trinity and deity of Christ but also challenged them in return. Subsequently, my name was passed around to all other Jehovah's Witness' rooms where I was banned from them as well. This is a frequent occurrence on the Internet where the Jehovah's Witnesses are alive and well. It is obvious that critical examination of their doctrines is not encouraged by the Watchtower Organization.

The Jehovah's Witnesses consider themselves to be Christians because they believe they are serving the true and living God. Like many cults, they think they are the only true church on earth. Yet, they deny the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the personhood of the Holy Spirit, Jesus' physical resurrection, and salvation by grace through faith.

The Jehovah's Witnesses are discouraged from looking into Jehovah's Witness' history or old Watchtower literature which is replete with contradictions, altered doctrines, and false prophecies. Instead, they are indoctrinated repeatedly against basic Christian doctrines (Trinity, deity of Christ, etc.,) and into the notion that they alone are the true servants of God and that all others are either in "Christendom" or simply unbelievers.

Primarily, the Jehovah's Witness' organization is a mind-control organization that uses its people to pass out literature and send in "donations" to the headquarters in Brooklyn, New York.

"Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization and not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible."(The Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1967, p. 587.)

Conclusion
The Watchtower organization of the Jehovah's Witnesses is a non-Christian organization that uses its people to promulgate false doctrines, collects "contributions" for distribution of a multitudinous amount of literature, and expands its grip into the lives of its members and their families.
It is a non-Christian cult.

Mr OLAADEGBU and his partner ,Matt Slick are lying Pharisees.

PROOF:
"Does Jesus have a God?
by Matt Slick
"The answer is yes and no"
https://carm.org/jesus-christ/does-jesus-have-a-god

Eph1:3,17. John 20:17,30,31. Rev:12,14,21. Rom15:6

OLAADEGBU:
Jehovah's Witness' Beliefs

1. There is one God in one person, Make Sure of All Things, p. 188. (See False God)

2. There is no Trinity, Let God be True, 2nd Ed., pp. 100-101; Should You Believe in the Trinity? p. 7; Watchtower, 2/1/1960, p. 94, Why Do You Believe in the Trinity? (See False Trinity)

3. The Holy Spirit is a force, not alive, Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 406-407. (See False Holy Spirit)

4. The Holy Spirit is God's impersonal active force, The Watchtower, June 1, 1952,
p. 24.

5. Jehovah's first creation was his 'only-begotten Son' . . . was used by Jehovah in creating all other things," Aid to Bible Understanding, pp. 390-391.

Isaac was Abraham's only begotten son (Heb 11:17. James2:21) if we called Isaac "only begotten son" of Abraham ,does it mean that Isaac is not Abraham's son?

Jesus is God's only begotten son (John 3:16),does it mean that Jesus is not Jehovah's son in the real sense of the word "son"?John5:26

** Jesus own words about himself in heaven and earth (Matt16;13-17. Rev3:12,14,21.John20:17,30,31.
John10:34-36) is a living testimony he is the son of God.
Does God have a God?
Does Jesus have a God?
Mr Olaadegbu receive sense.



1cor11:3. Rom15:6. Eph1:3,17. Eph3:14. 1cor8:4-7 were written after Jesus went to heaven & still in heaven. These scriptures would not be written by Jehovah's inspiration if it wasn't true .

soulpeppersoup:
Enoch and Elijah evaded your suppose punishment. Guess Adam's sin didn't have effect on them?

Seriously?
My Master clarified the truth regarding the fate of these men.
John 3:13. Acts2:34. Matt11:11

Ubenedictus:
Actually jehovah is not an english variant, erasmus manufactured the name by mixing the vowels of adonai to the consonants of the tetragram, at least we can trace the variants of Jesus' name from hebrew and aramaic to greek, then to the latin Iesus and then to english. nobody mixed different names together and manufactured a new one!

It will be beautiful if u can provide d letter from d church to Erasmus forcing him, let us see if it was not the case that erasmus was using a different and unpopular manuscript

Some scholars hold the view that Jehovah "mixing the vowels of adonay to the consonants of the tetragramatton " .

Na their opinion, every one is entitled to his.
Others scholars preferred Yahweh or Yehovah or similar ones.


**. "Jehovah is essentially a Germanic pronunciation of the Hebrew YHWH with vowels inserted....
The form Jehovah ,though, is very very commonly used"
(source: Wikipedia).


**** Erasmus first translation in 1516 (Novum Instrumentum Omne) and his 2nd (in 1519) never had the Johannine comma he inserted into the 3rd translation.

Erasmus was a Catholic all his life and his allegiance was to the Pope.

The official Catholic Church position on the Johannine comma testified to their solid support of the spurious insertion in 1John5:7.

https://www.catholic.com/qa/what-is-the-johannine-gloss

"On the basis of manuscript evidence ,scholars seriously question their authenticity.
The comma is absent in all the ancient Greek manuscripts of the New Testament with the exception of four rather recent manuscripts that date from the 13th to the 16th centuries...... the Church considered it necessary in it's decree of January 13,1897 to caution it's scholars against rashly rejecting or doubting the authenticity of this passage"

The Catholic Church was solidly behind the insertion of the Johannine comma into 1John5:7.

Erasmus would not have started the translations with out Papal blessing.

ochibuogwu5:
The *concept* "all have sinned" used by paul is not the same as *original sin inherited from Adam and transferred to every human being including new born babies*, Paul 1st used it in Romans 3:23 but before then in Romans 3:10 he said *there is non righteous* then went on to *enlist what made no man to be righteous as commissions or omissions* which is not an inherited original sin from Romans 3:11-18. Sin is a disobedience to instructions/law {1 John 3:4, James 4:17} hence all have sinned is referring to those who *sinned* not *including babies in the womb or little children*
Sin entered the world entails that the knowledge of sin and its effects like death, sickness, wars, chaos e.t.c can be experienced by any human being on earth not that *everybody inherited sin from parents* or *God created man with or inside sin*
Hebrews 12:9 defines God as the Father of all spirits and live hence if a human being has inherited sin then God has sin inside him. which is *pure-error*
Body of sin used in Romans 6:6 is the dominating/controlling capacity of the devil upon any man or woman once he starts sinning thus "on the day, you shall eat of this tree, you shall die" {Genesis 2:17} hence body of sin is *activated at disobedience of any man or woman* and not an *inherited evil mortal body* hence Romans 6:12 tells us not to yield our *mortal bodies to sin*.
Let us not *misappropriate humanity/creature-nature* which has *free-will to body of sin or inherited sin from Adam* because from creation man was *human/weak/limited with his free-will{Genesis 1 & 2}* yet he had no sin or body of sin, he communicates freely with God and does not need redemption/salvation until Genesis 3 where he sinned and *activated body of sin* which needs redemption hence Paul said it is our old man that needs to be *destroyed(Romans 6:6)* however adam's body never needed destruction until he fail in Genesis 3.

Ezekiel 18:20 *destroys every teaching about inherited sin, "the children will not be punished for the sins of their fathers and Fathers shall not be punished for the sins of their children, rather the soul that sinned shall die(be punished)".

When Paul was talking about *what I want to do, I do not do them*, he was making reference to a human being who has started sinning then *activated the body of sin which forcefully controls that man to sin even though his original pure nature wants to remain pure* however Paul shouted *thanks be to God who has delivered us in Christ Jesus* {Romans 7:14-25}

for those making reference to 1 Cor. 15:21-22, where Christ is defined as the *first fruit* from the dead hence it is used as evidence that will inherited sin from Adam and every human being is *inherently evil*, do not forget also that *not every human being will experience death before Jesus Christ comes again {1 Cor.15:51-52} but we shall all be transformed at the twinkle of an eye and put on our glorified/resurrected bodies to meet with Christ Our coming King.

God created each human being pure as He is (Generation)
When a man starts sinning (Degeneration takes place, hence he needs a Savior)
When he accepts Jesus Christ Redemption for *sin* (Regeneration takes place)

Jesus Christ Our God and Lord taught about the *attributes of children* as the greatest in the kingdom of God {Matt.18:1-4}, if they had body of sin, they would not be used as an example for *heavenly righteousness* where nothing *unclean will never enter*{Revelation 21:27}

In the same chapter from Matt. 18:6-7, He talks about these *innocent children* being able to *activate the body of sin* through learning and acting along in disobedience from *stumbling-blocks* hence *sin is learnt not inherited* and he placed a curse upon anyone who causes/teaches/encourages others about sin.

In the same chapter from Matt. 18:8-9, He encourages those who learnt about *sin* to *throw away such knowledge or anything that will make them to believe or practice such disobedience towards God in order to *remain in the original state of purity* hence He was addressing those who have this knowledge or yet to practice them to surrender them completely to the crucified Jesus Christ so that *there will be a regeneration*. This aspect was being addressed to *adults* not *babies who are assumed to have inherited sin*
Great Grace Brethren!!!

Rom5:12,18,19 says Adam's sin brought death and condemnation to ALL men.
Why does man grow old and die?

Has any race evaded the divine punishment for Adam in Gen3:19?

Rom5:12,18,19 (psalms 51:5) is the answer .
cc: soulpeppersoup

ichuka:
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.Romans5:19
When Adam disobeyed God,we all affirm to his decision because we where in him when he ate the fruit.
So,it's not what one does that makes him a sinner,No!but who you are.
Let's assume your name is Budaatom.
You didn't chose the name,for you where born (a) budaatum.whatsoever you do in these life you are a budaatum.
If you become the Pope,Doctor,President or an arm robber you are still budaatum.
Nothing can make you otherwise because of the issue of birth.
Since you are born a budaatum,it's only by death that can make you something other than a budaatum.
It's only by death that one is free from being a sinner.
That's the meaning of the above verse.

He/she still Budatuum for life eee no dey change.
Why does modern science employ DNA /forensics to trace or identify victims/ casualties of tragic fire accidents?
Your DNA must match those of your blood relations

rottennaija:
Thanks. I don't have any interest in responding in kind to him through verbal abuse, insult, name calling etc. Otherwise, I wouldn't be any different from him. Thanks ones again.

Someday, he will understand that we are not the enemy.

"Rotten" na D name U give your self.
. You are a self confessed ex-JW ,who is against JWs and spreads misinformation about JWs on this forum.
To serve Jehovah no be by force.
A beg stay your lane

Tfbaby:
Sir I've passed the level of sin....like am above sin the reason why you find this hard to comprehend is because you're still a babe, Does God sin? Does Jesus sin??
Please Note: AM NOT A HUMAN BEING AM A SPIRIT

Tfbaby:
at this point sir I will have to ask you some question
Sir when on the Judgement day what is going to be Judged is it the Body, Spirit or Soul?



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Johnw47

Tfbaby:
I asked a clear question here if you dont know the answer then say it why are you stylishly avoiding the answer

I've not said anything without backing it up with the Holy Scripture so its your choice to take it or leave it
You need to leave the level of drinking milk to the level of strong meat

You are spirit, perfect,above sin, you are one with God, your level top notch, pls you are in the best position to answer your question: "what will be judged on judgement day.- body,soul or spirit?"

It's obvious you are just making noise with out well grounded accurate knowledge of God's word.

U dey claim to be spirit ,perfect,
yet u no dey see God or even see God's angels,( Satan sef see God even though he dey oppose God) u
no dey talk to them face to face.

The spirit realm has no physical boundary or physical limitations,
A spirit wey no fit see him fellow spirits ,na spirit be that ?
Nobody is asking you whether you believe that God or Jesus or angels exist.
You dodged my questions coupled with your sly shade of insults.

U be wayo spirit my dear .
Your claim " AM NOT A HUMAN BEING AM A SPIRIT" na wash , indeed Hogwash !

Omooba224:
There we go again! Always resulting to "A fool sayeth in his heart that there is no god". Are you guys not tired of this your boring quote (s)?. Stop showcasing your high level of buffoonery.

Atheism,that which you deceive yourself to assume is 'wisdom' is buffoonery to God (1cor1:18-29)

Atheism is a curable affliction.
Pls set your self free from that one chance mumu .

Tfbaby:
Sir you can't just conclude that spirit in hell or Humans aren't spirit cause that's what you believe or know things doesn't work that way cos what I believe know and practice is different from what you believe cos when a human being dies its only his/her body that is dead

at this point sir I will have to ask you some question
Sir when on the Judgement day what is going to be Judged is it the Body, Spirit or Soul?

Dan.7.15 - I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me. [KJV] which spirit was Daniel referring to in this scripture?
Zech.12.1 - The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. [KJV] is it not the word of God that forms the spirit of man WITHIN him

Job.32.18 - For I am full of matter, the spirit within me constraineth me. [KJV] was Job also talking about Ghost

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Maximus69
Johnw47

You told us you are perfect you are spirit, you are one with God, U done ever see God or even his angels?

You should provide an answer to your question ,what will be judged- body ,spirit or soul? which one will be judged? use scriptures to prove your claims.

Ubenedictus:
Oh i remember Erasmus, he was the german translator and priest who mistakenly translated Yahweh as Jehowah and it is that same mistake jws are using till today.

as long as jw continue to us jehovah they are actually following erasmus mistake.
sorry.

I mean the pressure the Church placed on him to alter the 3rd edition of his Bible translation to suit Catholic belief in the Trinity even it was not in concord with the manuscript text.


If today you are not calling Christ by his actual Hebrew name (Yehoshua) but rely on the English variant of his Greek name (Iesous), you are guilty of double standard and hypocrisy to have labeled the name 'Jehovah' as "mistake"

soulpeppersoup:
That is not through. The word "world" in Romans 5:12 means Cosmos. Cosmos doesn't imply to the people dwelling in a place, it mean the place itself.

So sin entered into the world. Those who live in the world can choose to associate with it or not to at any time in their life.

If sin had entered into man, God himself can't purge him of it as he hasn't with Satan.

You will never see anywhere in the bible anyone was born of sin. Only one born of something can be called man of that thing.

Men are born in something that is why they can leave that thing or that place anytime they choose to.

The Bible will speak for itself...
"Therefore as sin came into the world through one man (Adam),& death as the result of sin, so death spread to ALL MEN because ALL MEN SINNED."
"Consequently as the result of one man's (Adam's) trespass was condemnation for ALL men,so also the result of one (Jesus) act of righteousness was justification for all men" Rom5;12,18

" Since death came through a man (Adam), the resurrection of the dead comes also through man.
For as in Adam ALL DIE ,so in Christ all will be made alive"
1Cor15:21,22

Soulpeppersoup you dey see am?

Omooba224:
I can see that atheism gives you some kind of uneasiness, right? It is normal to have someone who loses his mind because of some strange talks. Please, keep asslicking your foreign god. ..

I have no issues with anybody holding on to whatever beliefs that rocks their boat.

Since na my previous questions dey vex you, na your wahala be that.
Psalms 14:1 is eternally on point.
Hallelujah!!!!!

What does Omooba224 as*licks? Atheism !

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Ubenedictus:
OF course ola's sect, is one of those that broke from the church because of another heresy.

It just happens that his heresy isnt a denial of the nature of Jesus like the arianism of the jw.

The wayo of the Bible translator, Erasmus is the "truth" of the Catholic church .

rottennaija:
Try the suggestions on this pages, doctrine rarely works with Jws, as they believe they have a better understanding of the Bible. Which also mean to them that if you do not agree with their understanding, you lack humility

https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/watchtower-scandal.php

https://jwinform.com/2016/02/02/a-question-that-works-with-jehovahs-witnesses/

https://jwinform.com/2017/07/18/why-cant-i-reach-a-jehovahs-witness/

Rotten apostate and him rebellious "sons of korah " (Numbers16:1-35) , your excommunication from JWs was actually good riddance to rotten rubbish.

JWs don't care a bit about your online trash of lies and falsehood to malign Jehovah God and his servants.

Wetin you be if not atheist (Ps14:1.Rom3:13-17) or "return to your vomit and wallow in it"?
Slaves claiming independence & promising freedom wey they no get.
(2Peter2:14-22).

Tfbaby:
Sir this clearly shows that you didn't read my write up especially 1Corinthian 6:17 perfection does not come by been a believer as believer you are a babe, you can only attain the level of perfection when your spirit becomes one with God let me give you some scriptures here but please read them John 4:24 God is a spirit and those that worship him should worship him in spirit, John 10:30 For I and my father are one/same,
1 Corinthians 6:17 He that is joined to the lord is ONE SPIRIT perfection won't come once you believe read Hebrew 10;12 perfection are for mature Christians not believers

this liar say flesh and blood living on earth na spirit 1cor15:50