Agrogbeide: If God the Everlasting Father elevated Jesus Christ to the title "everlasting father," are you now saying that in heaven there are 2 everlasting fathers? Trash
KJV:That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth. Philippians 2:10
After bowing to Christ Jesus which is a form of worship are we still going to look for an everlasting father to bow unto? 1. If no, are you telling me Jesus Christ is God? 2. If yes, are you telling me that God himself cannot keep to his commandment in Exodus 20:3-5
KJV:Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 4 KJV:Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 KJV:Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; KJV:Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 KJV:If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 KJV:Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 KJV:Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? 10 KJV:Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. John 14:6-10
From here you can see that Thomas called Jesus Christ Lord and God not because he was surprised.
Because you lack understanding of the holy scriptures Rev 3:5,12,14,21 is trash to Trinity worshippers and those verses exposes your Trinity scam .
Where did the holy scriptures referred to the God and Father of Jesus as Everlasting Father? You made that up yourself .
*** To digress a bit,Jesus sacrificial death for mankind's ransom led to his Father elevating Christ as everlasting Father to mankind.Adam our first father lost everlasting life due to sin ,Jesus the last Adam, restored it back to man,(1 Cor15:21,22,45-47).
** The Father dwells in Jesus, the Father dwells in you too, are you God? If the holy spirit is in you or dwells in you, are you the holy spirit? You guys keep twisting John 14:9,10.
***Jesus is a messenger for his God and Father ,who sent Jesus (John 7:16). Therefore, if you saw Jesus, you have seen the Father whom gave Jesus his message to present to you. John 5:37"And the Father who sent me.... you have neither heard his voice nor seen his form" ** John 5:37 annulled your wacky interpretation of John 14:9, take note.
** Matt 10:40 gives you the exact interpretation of John 14;9,10. "He that receives you receives me also, & he that receives me receives him also that sent me"
Thomas viewed Jesus as his God and lord,Thomas only spoke for himself. (Recall that he initially never agreed Jesus resurrected until he sees Jesus face to face.) Thomas NEVER said Jesus is our God and lord. John 20:17 is irrevocable and immutable. Master Jesus is talking. He says he and Thomas worshipped the same God &Father
brocab: It seem's you can't write anything, without showing your anger through your word's, I suppose if I needed any information I wouldn't ask a JW, I would turn to my Bible, which say's: {Deuteronomy 6:5} You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. {Matthew 22:36-37} “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?” Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is deafeningly the answer I would expect from my Bible-the Lord is One.. {Deuteronomy 6:4} “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! 'So if Yahweh is Jehovah, than Jehovah is Jesus--The Lord is One..Don't forget God manifested Himself in the flesh-preached among the Gentiles. {1 Timothy 3:16} And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. So every time I seem to read it from my Bible, I haven't forgotten about {John 1:1} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. I find most Bibles are in-line with one another, but than I find-the only Bible that is out of place is the N.W.Translation Bible, the Watchtower calls Jesus an angel, where the watchtower bow's down before it 'as their Jehovah god!
Brocab ,apostle of pious fraud, I'm not angry at all but your talent for lying is very obvious. Every one knows that JWs never called Jesus "their Jehovah god". The 1 tim3:16 fraud you hang on to is not in NWT,RSV and other Bibles except the KJV and a few other. Jesus quoted exactly what the Hebrew scroll says in Deu 6:4 "Sema yisrael; Yahweh elohenu Yahweh e-a" Hear o Israel: Yahweh our God Yahweh is one" ,that's what Jesus said in Mark12:29. https://holybible.com/cn/text/deuteronomy/6-4.htm
The word "Lord" has no place in Deu6:4 or Mark12:29.
"And you shall love Yahweh your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength" Jesus made the quote in Matt22:37. He again spoke his Father's name. He never said "Lord".
** The word "God" was dubiously inserted there in Textus Receptus Bible such as KJV, Darby etc. It's a well known FRAUD in the holy scriptures. No be today ee start.
Agrogbeide: KJV:For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6
"Unto us a son is given.... he shall be called Everlasting Father", it pleased his Father to elevate Jesus to that title. In heaven, Jesus is still accountable to his Father and God (Rev 3:5,12,14,21).
Mumu Pharisee, your "Everlasting Father" is "a son given" by his Father and God, Jehovah "to whom every family in heaven and on earth owes it's name" Ephesians 3:14,15. The Father of Jesus is only true God" Jehovah. John 17:3. John5:26.
Emusan: The truth is Jesus was called "My God" and scripture recorded it but what excuse did JWs have?
It was just an exclamation!
Did Thomas say Jesus is our God? If you called Buhari "my President", are you meaning he is the President of every one on earth ?
The words of Jesus in John 20:17 & Rev 3:5,12,14,21 over ruled your satanic interpretation & twisting of John20:28.
You lying pharisees disdain the words of Jesus , the perfect son of God& master of Thomas but cling to his disciple, Thomas, as if he's your lord and saviour. Naso your sense reach....
Maximus69: Thank you Sir, it's just the truth that's all. Thomas never meant Jesus is his God or Lord,but you're entitled to your own opinion just as every one else! Thomas was shocked that's all and when people are shocked, they'll exclaim 'oh my God!' of course it doesn't mean that what they are viewing is their God Sir!
Pls recall Matt6:9 "Our Father", that is Father of ALL humans (Ephesians 3:14,15). Thomas said "my God and my lord" ,Thomas viewed Jesus as a God & lord to him, Thomas. Thomas NEVER said our God or God of all humans.
Emusan: "Well, eight days later his disciples were again indoors, and Thomas was with them. Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and he stood in their midst and said: “May you have peace.” Next he said to Thomas: “Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop doubting but believe.” In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him: “Because you have seen me, have you believed? Happy are those who have not seen and yet believe.” John 20:26-28 NWT
What can we deduce from here? 1. Jesus first erased their fear by saying "May you have peace" only JWs will say this statement means something else.
4. Jesus didn't condemn him nor correct him rather placed a blessing on those who will believe without seeing him.
Emusan: He won't read it because what you see him saying has been planted in his head by JWs GB.
Your (1) you dey forge lie against JW, no JW told you the "statement 'may you have peace' means some thing else"
Your (4) comments, on what matter is it that Jesus "didn't condemn or correct him (Thomas)" ?
** In John 20:17, Jesus settled the false interpretation that Trinity worshippers applied to the words of Thomas, a disciple ( John 20:28).
***" Jesus said.... say to them (his disciples), I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God" John 20:17.
If as you claim,"Jesus is God" because Thomas said so , at John 20:17 , Jesus already stated the truth- The Father and God that Jesus worshipped, is the same Father and God that Thomas worshipped. Both Jesus and Thomas are worshippers of the only true God. That only true God is definitely NOT Jesus (John 17:3).
(you falsely claimed he never corrected Thomas ,because you ignored the FACT that Thomas already heard Jesus words at John 20:17 relayed to Thomas. John20:17 is unacceptable to your unreceptive heart). Oma se oooo
brocab: Why did Jesus never address God by the name “Jehovah”? Because the name didn't come into existence until the late 1500's.. No, prior to the cross, Jesus spoke of God as ‘God’. In {Mark 12:29-30} he quoted the Shema from {Deuteronomy 6:4-5} which says, “Hear, O Israel. The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. Abba Father, is a good one-how about--“Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” Which means My God My God.. {Mark 15.34} I can't see the name Jehovah anywhere?
Pls stop being foolish . Every time Jesus said " it is written", he quoted from the old testament, wherever the Tetragramatton "YHWH" ( The name of his Father and God) appeared where he quoted, Jesus pronounced his Father's name accordingly . Go and read the Hebrew interlinear transcription of Deu6:4 & stop scamming yourself. "Hear O Israel: Yahweh (Jehovah) our God is one Yahweh (Jehovah)".
You must love Yahweh ( Jehovah) your God... Deu 6:5 ,Jesus quoted in Matt 22:36,37, must call his Father's name , whether he pronounced it as Yahweh, Jehovah or any other way unknown to us, who cares? The point is, Jesus called and declared (made ) God's name known at a time the Jews spoke Greek rather than mother tongue, Hebrew and the superstitious belief that God's name is too holy to be uttered by mortals was slowly gaining ground
Shepherd00: Why shd I be the one to.do it? Here you are defending Watch Tower, but I shd be the one to help You with the information, why?
Pls tell the world which people or the organization which used those symbols before the Knight Templars whom everyone knows were Freemasons.
If your little god ' Charles Tass Russell' wasn't flying the flag of his brotherhood, prove it instead standing here without shame telling me to do your work.
I call Tass a cultist and an atheist.
You wey register am for Mason fraternity, give us him Lodge number for their register..... Lol.
You are a bigoted fellow blinded by prejudice and egotism. Your spurious claims remain what is it - false claims of a bigot.
Shepherd00: Who used the Pyramid, the cross and crown symbol before the Freemasons? You claimed Charles Tass Russel wasn't a cultist because those symbols predates the Freemasons, pls kindly name those who used the symbols long before the Masons.
This is not about who the Lord Jesus is, is about Charles and him being a cultist
The Freemason fraternity says Russell is NOT their member. Russell membership info dey the fraternity register wey dey your deluded brain. Go & quarrel with them for debunking your falsehood . Your comment " pls kindly name those who used the symbols long before the Masons" Lazy youth, searching for expo, Google is your enemy.
UceeGod: Let me repeat it again, so you may get it;
Jesus' response "I am" simply means He was the God of the old testament. There is no doubt that the Jews understood what He was saying because they took up stones to kill Him for making Himself equal with God ( John 5:18 ). Such a statement, if not true, was blasphemy and the punishment prescribed by the Mosaic Law was death ( Leviticus 24:11–14 ). But Jesus committed no blasphemy; He was and is God, the second Person of the Godhead, equal to the Father in every way.
The words of Jesus "The Father is greater than I ( John 14:28 & John 7:16 ) talk say your comment is off point.
** "Jews tried all the harder to kill Jesus not only was he breaking the Sabbath, he was even CALLING GOD HIS OWN FATHER, (John5:18) "making himself equal with God" was a lie , an allegation framed by the Jews in order to kill Jesus.
*** "Why do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said ;" I am God's son?"(John 10:36.)
UceeGod: The problem you anti-Trinity preachers are having is Jesus' continued reference to His Father and also the Comforter, yet you all ignore the fact that God is One and has the power to exist in different forms and locations at the same time.
Even though the Father is greater than the Son in position (especially in regard to the incarnation), yet the Father is not greater than the Son in essence or being; They are both equally God.
According to your first paragraph above," you ignored the fact that God is one" UceeGod LIED . "Hear O Isreal; Yahweh our God is one Yahweh" Deu 6:4. ( See the hebrew interlinear transcription of Deu6:4). Yahweh is the Most High God (Ps83:18) and the only true God (John17:3) if you clearly understand English, you know what it means.
** Your very last sentence, 2nd paragraph "Both are equally God". Man is a god ,(Ps 82:1,6 kJV), Jesus is a god (John 10:34-36.) angels are gods in heaven, 1Cor8:5 , Jesus himself nailed the coffin on your fictitious claims in John 17:3 and Rev 3:5,12,14,21. Eph 1:3. 3:14,15 Only Yahweh is the only true God to whom everyone in heaven and earth owes it's name. Jesus said Yahweh granted life to him,( Jesus) Yahweh's son- John 5:26.
Isce: John 14:20, 28 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
You are truly blind to the truth.
** 1) "I am in my Father." you based your Trinity on that statement.
" Ye in me,and I in you" meaning that Jesus disciples is God , going by your claim in (1) above, "Ye in me ,and I in you" shows that the disciples is one with Jesus. That is Jesus disciples is God ! That's the Proof of Isce wacky twisting of the holy scriptures.
Isce: These ideals took sleep from your eye~~~~~ This is where we stand and believe, do not fool us by your satanic JW believed. Charles wrote a bible for you, that is your ordeal and cross
The New World Translation (NWT) is defined by the Jehovah's Witnesses’ parent organization (the Watchtower Society) as "a translation of the Holy Scriptures made directly from Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek into modern-day English by a committee of anointed witnesses of Jehovah." The NWT is the anonymous work of the “New World Bible Translation Committee.” Jehovah’s Witnesses claim that the anonymity is in place so that the credit for the work will go to God. Of course, this has the added benefit of keeping the translators from any accountability for their errors and prevents real scholars from checking their academic credentials.
The New World Translation is unique in one thing – it is the first intentional, systematic effort at producing a complete version of the Bible that is edited and revised for the specific purpose of agreeing with a group's doctrine. The Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watchtower Society realized that their beliefs contradicted Scripture. So, rather than conforming their beliefs to Scripture, they altered Scripture to agree with their beliefs. The “New World Bible Translation Committee” went through the Bible and changed any Scripture that did not agree with Jehovah’s Witness theology. This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that, as new editions of the New World Translation were published, additional changes were made to the biblical text. As biblical Christians continued to point out Scriptures that clearly argue for the deity of Christ (for example), the Watchtower Society would publish new editions of the New World Translation with those Scriptures changed. Here are some of the more prominent examples of intentional revisions:
The New World Translation renders the Greek term word staur ("cross" as "torture stake" because Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe that Jesus was crucified on a cross. The New World Translation does not translate the Greek words sheol, hades, gehenna, and tartarus as "hell” because Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe in hell. The NWT gives the translation "presence" instead of “coming” for the Greek word parousia because Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Christ has already returned in the early 1900s. In Colossians 1:16, the NWT inserts the word “other” despite its being completely absent from the original Greek text. It does this to give the view that “all other things” were created by Christ, instead of what the text says, “all things were created by Christ.” This is to go along with their belief that Christ is a created being, which they believe because they deny the Trinity.
The most well-known of all the New World Translation perversions is John 1:1. The original Greek text reads, “the Word was God.” The NWT renders it as “the word was a god.” This is not a matter of correct translation, but of reading one's preconceived theology into the text, rather than allowing the text to speak for itself. There is no indefinite article in Greek (in English, "a" or "an", so any use of an indefinite article in English must be added by the translator. This is grammatically acceptable, so long as it does not change the meaning of the text.
There is a good reason why theos has no definite article in John 1:1 and why the New World Translation rendering is in error. There are THREE GENERAL RULES we need to understand to see why.
1) In Greek, word order does not determine word usage like it does in English. In English, a sentence is structured according to word order: Subject - Verb - Object. Thus, "Harry called the dog" is not equivalent to "the dog called Harry." But in Greek, a word's function is determined by the case ending found attached to the word's root. There are two case endings for the root theo: one is -s (theos), the other is -n (theon). The -s ending normally identifies a noun as being the subject of a sentence, while the -n ending normally identifies a noun as the direct object.
2) When a noun functions as a predicate nominative (in English, a noun that follows a being verb such as "is", its case ending must match the noun's case that it renames, so that the reader will know which noun it is defining. Therefore, theo must take the -s ending because it is renaming logos. Therefore, John 1:1 transliterates to "kai theos en ho logos." Is theos the subject, or is logos? Both have the -s ending. The answer is found in the next rule.
3) In cases where two nouns appear, and both take the same case ending, the author will often add the definite article to the word that is the subject in order to avoid confusion. John put the definite article on logos (“the Word”) instead of on theos. So, logos is the subject, and theos is the predicate nominative. In English, this results in John 1:1 being read as "and the Word was God" (instead of "and God was the word".
The most revealing evidence of the Watchtower's bias is their inconsistent translation technique. Throughout the Gospel of John, the Greek word theon occurs without a definite article. The New World Translation renders none of these as “a god.” Just three verses after John 1:1, the New World Translation translates another case of theos without the indefinite article as "God." Even more inconsistent, in John 1:18, the NWT translates the same term as both "God" and "god" in the very same sentence.
The Watchtower, therefore, has no hard textual grounds for their translation—only their own theological bias. While New World Translation defenders might succeed in showing that John 1:1 can be translated as they have done, they cannot show that it is the proper translation. Nor can they explain the fact that that the NWT does not translate the same Greek phrases elsewhere in the Gospel of John the same way. It is only the pre-conceived heretical rejection of the deity of Christ that forces the Watchtower Society to inconsistently translate the Greek text, thus allowing their error to gain some semblance of legitimacy in the minds of those ignorant of the facts.
It is only the Watchtower's pre-conceived heretical beliefs that are behind the dishonest and inconsistent translation that is the New World Translation. The New World Translation is most definitely not a valid version of God’s Word. There are minor differences among all the major English translations of the Bible. No English translation is perfect. However, while other Bible translators make minor mistakes in the rendering of the Hebrew and Greek text into English, the NWT intentionally changes the rendering of the text to conform to Jehovah’s Witness theology. The New World Translation is a perversion, not a version, of the Bible.
FRAUDULENT CLAIMS of Isce. Lies and fiction. Copyright thief wey you be dey steal another man work come paste am for Nairaland as if na you get am. Copy copy thief thief. You can't even explain what you stole from some one else. You no go fit do am sef
Abeg dump that Youtube thrash for dustbin. The extensive research of the duo of Westcott & Hort gave exposure to the corruption of 1John5:7, Rev1:11 1Tim3:16 ,Col 2:9 etc but Christendom paid them back by spreading libelous and defamatory slander against both men. At no time did the clergy class present evidence to disprove the solid textual proof of these great scholars other than to attack their character and personality with defamation.
UceeGod: Jesus, in response to the Pharisees’ question “Who do you think you are?” said, “‘Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.’ ‘You are not yet fifty years old,’ the Jews said to him, ‘and you have seen Abraham!’ ‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds” (John 8:56–59 ). The violent response of the Jews to Jesus’ “I AM” statement indicates they clearly understood what He was declaring—that He was the eternal God incarnate. Jesus was equating Himself with the "I AM" title God gave Himself in Exodus 3:14 .
Isce twisting the holy scriptures. You claim " I am" statement is an allusion to Trinity . Paul said :"I am what I am.. (1Cor15:10) as in Exodus 3:14, that means apostle Paul is God incarnate going by your wacky twist of the scriptures. *Abraham said I am- Gen 22:11 * Moses said i am -Exodus3:4 * Jesus disciples said I am-Matt26:22 * The beggar said I am- John 9:9 Therefore they are God incarnates going by your fictitious claims.
herlecks: It was recorded that the Word was with God, and that the Word was a God. The Word was begotten in eternity, He was the Son of God. God cannot be with Himself, right? The Word is another person, the Word belongs to the Father, and He, the Word of the Father, carries the qualities and personality of the Father, the Father expresses Himself through the Word or Son. The Father is called God and Ancient of Days and the Father of Spirits, The Son of God is called the Word of God or the Son of man. This Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us, according to scripture. This is the Word of God, even our Lord Jesus. ;
Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Now this Word or Son of God says, the Father is my God;
Revelation 3:12; Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. If Jesus was equal with the Father, would the Father be His God? The again, the Son shall be subject unto the Father at the end of this world and He shall return the kingdom unto the Father;
1 Corinthians 15:27-28; For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
ALL these lying Pharisees simply pay lip service to Jesus the son of God, deep down in their hearts they don't really believe that Jesus is the son of God who told his followers he worships "my Father and your Father, my God and your God" on earth ( John 20:17) and in heaven ( Rev3:5,12,14,21).
Rather ,they worship their Trinity Godhead where Jesus is their star attraction.
Agrogbeide: May God Almighty continue to bless you for this comment. It's like our minds are working together regardless of our distance. May the Good Lord continue to strengthen you by His Holy Spirit through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen
Op is just hopping like a grasshopper, He asked for Bible proves and he got them but has been unable to refute them. I gave him an easy nut to crack and an easy clue to help him but he refused. That's what happens after reading the Bible for Rhema purposes, doctrinal purposes and summing them up with some useless youtube videos that will supports his claims. Mr herlecks if you are ready to UNLEARN, LEARN OR RELEARN you will see the truth you seek instead of you coming here to form bible scholar........ Jesus Christ is God but Has a God above Him by herlecks ............Looooooooool Thanks. God bless.
Pharisee deceiving himself, Jesus says he has his God and Father , why is the truth hard for you to accept? Rev 3:5,12,14,21. Eph1:3 John20:17,30,31. Rom 15:5,6 , you tear am from your Bible? Lol.
Isce: 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The more you try to analyze it, you will realise it doesn't make sense
So you know the "things of the spirit of God" more than the perfect master Jesus who says he worships his Father and God in heaven (John20:17. Rev 3:5,12,14,21.). No man spiritually discerns more than Jesus. Pls stop scamming yourself.
Just two bible passages has renderd your post useless, and you have started shivering like a wet chicken. Since you are shivering already I don't know what will happen if I start posting other bible passages..........Lemme wish you a happy Sunday to disclaim your post once more
26 KJV:And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 KJV:Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 KJV:And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:26-28 Happy Sunday. Thanks. God bless.
If you understand English , Thomas never said Jesus is our God. Jesus says he and Thomas, plus every other disciples worships the same God and the same Father John 20:17. Jesus is the Master of Thomas, his words carry more weight . Jesus worships his Father and God in heaven and on earth . Rev 3:5,12,14,21.
Isce: Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
The word "Godhead" is a FRAUD inserted into KJV to make Trinity scam presentable and appealing. Trinity scam was built on a fraud inserted into the holy Bible. Check any Bible interlinear (word for word Greek transliteration into English). Go and do your research rather than post thrash online.
Isce: Does the JW and Catholic fits into any of these system?
But for the JW, they have much blockage ~~~~ christandon, pastorpreure, and others they teach them or imagin.
But their greatest blockage is the ******knowledge
Hosea 4:6
You wey dey lie for this thread even when the evidence expose you, you still persist with the lie. you get sense blockage and knowledge deficiency syndrome. Keep up your self deceit
Shepherd00: In other words, you can't try it because you'd find your organization steeped into occultism.
Hahahahahahaha. This is your excuse? This is so lame.
Shepherd of falsehood, there's NOTHING HIDDEN about the origin of the cross and other symbols which predate Freemasonry. This is the Information Age , go and cure your bigotry. Stop deluding yourself with your bigoted mindset.
When you finish that "home work" and share what you found out for here. We can proceed to discuss other points in your post.
Shepherd00: Are you this blatant in lying? The Cross goes with the Crown, but you mentioned the crown and left out the cross, hoping a carefree reader wld miss that, but here you are trying to spin a web.
Poor you.
Are you so daft? "The pyramid symbols & OTHERS." You no dey understand English? Shepherd:" Are you this blatant in lying?" You LIED ooo !
Oya answer the question you dodge: Who did Jesus Christ say he is? Matt 16:13-17 . Rev 3:5,12,14,21.
brocab: {John 17:6,26} Jesus Prays for His Disciples “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. {V 26} And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.” None of the above have you kept..
{Matthew 6:6} His Father Our Father-is One Father, when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you feel unsure, Call out in Jesus Name-because all things have been granted to Him-Only Jesus can save you.. I remember reading something a little while ago-about a certain JW, she came under some spiritual activity-she was told by her elders to call out to Jehovah, she said: in Jehovah's name I rebuke you demon, 'the demon stayed-she would call out again-and still nothing happen-she asked her elders again and again, they didn't have a answer for her-she was hopeless, frightened and fearful.. But the good news was, this forced her to search outside the Watchtower-she found out she could pray to Jesus, as soon as she use Jesus name, the demon left her-after that she repented and gave her life over to Jesus, and left the watchtower in the mean time..
** 1 . Trinity worshipping Pharisee Brocab, Jesus said his God and Father has owns his disciples "they were yours",his Father's own and Jesus made his Father's name known to them (John17:6,26). Brocab "none of the above have you kept", because Trinity worshipping Pharisees like Brocab& Johnw do not worship the only true God, Yahweh, the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ (Rom15:5,6). They worship "Godhead",( a dubious term for their triune god) not found in any Greek manuscript.
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Mr Liar , " The name of Jehovah is a strong tower, the righteous runneth to it and is safe". Pro18:10 (ASV)
"Every one who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved" Rom10:13. Joel 2:32. Num23:19. Go & dump that your rooster and bull story for dustbin.
johnw47: of course only a evil son of satan would call Jesus Christ the Lord and Saviour of the world:- mumu and then laugh at it
sewer mouth +, tormented, false accuser, copycat, blinded, confused, brain like a sieve, know nothing, make God out a liar, devil's witness, paranoid, etc.
johnw47: Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Sewer mouth johnw LIAR " do- what -I -say- don't- do-what-i- do- Pharisee -quoting- scripture. Shame on you.
Isce: When I was reading the post display earlier today the Holy Spirit took my attention to a rear area about the JW works and Satanic operations.
Now what the Devil tries to do is fake every work our Lord Jesus Christ came to do on earth.
You will notice that when our Lord Jesus preach here on earth, He preached on the kingdom, notice~ the signs and miracle with it.....
Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
Matthew 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
And so on~ all through his time on earth. He talked about his kingdom because He came from there, the forgave sin demonstrating He is God, walked on water to show He is that same Spirit that ~Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters,
NOTICE, after Christ departure, the msg was not the kingdom but believing on our Lord Jesus Christ
Acts 11:20 And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.
Acts 11:20 And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.
Acts 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
Acts 19:13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
and so on. It was this msg the Apostle, Reformers and other Faithfuls really died for and not "kingdom"
The main focus and purpose of the JW is the kingdom. No JW will come to you with the msg of Jesus Christ because the do not even believe on his redemption work and do not even believe on the born again experience.
Their symbols and works are same as same as that of the cult world
Exchange Lucifer in their philosophy in the place of Lord. So they are building a temple currently in Jerusalem to put their god there to atone for them.
On top of the lies & false claims you post above, it's obvious your mumu never do. Crooked Pharisee, "Jesus began to preach,"repent for the kingdom of God is near" Matt4:17.
** Matt 10:5 " These twelve disciples Jesus sent out with the following instructions: Matt 10:7 " As you go, preach this message ,the kingdom of heavens is near".
* * Matt 24:14 "And this gospel (good news) of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world (Isce, take note, NOT healing, miracles ) as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come"
" And the gospel (good news) MUST first be preached to all nations" Mark 13:10. ** the good news of God's kingdom is what Jesus disciples were preaching as the gospel of Jesus. ** Your denial of Mark13:10 & Matt24:14 is proof you're NOT a Christian. Isce lying Pharisee led by demonic spirit pretending to be Christian .
johnw47: only a evil son of satan would call Jesus Christ the Lord and Saviour of the world:- mumu and then laugh at it
Johnw LIED and further wrote: "Lying Pharisee sewer , tormented, false accuser, copycat, blinded, confused, brain like a sieve, know nothing, make God out a liar, devil's witness, paranoid, etc."
Johnw lying Pharisee of course!!!!.
The above statements are your own words.... You're indeed losing your claim to sanity. Lying genes dey your blood and you can't think straight anymore.
herlecks: Worship of The False Jesus of The Trinity
We must make a point clear about the Lord Jesus before we proceed, that He is not the second person of the Trinity nor is the Father the first person, nowhere was He called a second person of trinity in scripture, and that the Trinity doctrine does not originate from God. The religious people of the world believes the Lord Jesus to be equal with the Father. Their unfruitful argument is crushed when we look into 1 Corinthians 15:27-28; For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. If the Son shall be subject unto the Father, then have we been duped by Trinitarians.
If we would look into what Jesus said about the Father, this would solidify our claim. John 14:28; Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. That seems quite obvious. So the crowd says what about Matthews 28:19 and 1 John 5:7-8? After much research we realised that these verses were not in scripture until after AD 300, they were added to strengthen the Trinity doctrine, these are mere interpolations. If the best verses to support such false doctrine were added to scripture does not that make it even more suspicious?
Another stronghold of the trinitarians is found in John 1:1, let us get the true interpretation so we would no longer be tossed about by every wind of false doctrine. John 1:1; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was (a) God. The confusion for most people often springs up from the "and the Word was God," we would be saved if we had interpreted as "and the Word was (a) God," for the latter is as accurate as the former. Jesus is a God Who Has a God, this is strengthened by Psalms 45:7; Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And also Revelation 3:12; Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. If Jesus was equal with the Father, would the Father be His God?
The trinitarians argue that their god is not three but one, three personalities but one god. If there be three personalities, that simply is three gods. This has led most to serious confusion, some don't believe the Bible anymore because of this fatal error. Is God an author of confusion? Is He willing to befuddle His children and leave them beclouded? No! God never wills to leave us confused, this is why Christ Jesus sent forth the Holy Ghost to lead us into all truth. But trinitarians believe God himself to be a mystery and an author of confusion, and that's not God, but Satan. Another confusion here is about the Holy Ghost. They believe the Holy Ghost to be the third person of the trinity which is another falsehood. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit that fills the Father and the Son, the very life of the Father and the Son, He is often referred to as the Spirit of God. What sort of Spirit is he? A holy Spirit! What sort of Spirit is Jesus and the Father? Holy Spirit! Has the Holy Ghost a separate personality apart from the Father and the Son? For this is the Spirit of the Father, can His characteristics be different from One Who owns Him or from His Source? Herein lies the confusion, the Spirit of God is the complete representative or manifestation of the Father and also the Son. Nowhere did the apostles prayed or sang to the Holy Ghost. Prayers are offered in the Holy Spirit to the Father in Jesus name.
As the spirit in man is subject to man, for the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet, so is the Holy Ghost to the Father and the Son. Saying the Holy Ghost is equal to the Father is the same with saying the Father is equal to the Father. That appears unreasonable of course. For the Father is a holy Spirit! God is Spirit. For the Spirit manifests the persons and presence and power and glory of the Father and the Son. This is why the Spirit is often referred to as an IT, and other times an HE. 1 John 2:27; But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as IT hath taught you, ye shall abide in HIM. HE sometimes manifests the persons of the Father and the Son, other times IT appears as their power, glory and presence. So then who here is still deceived to worship false gods of the trinity? To worship the gods of trinity is to deny Jesus is come in the flesh and that God was manifested in the flesh. This is the denial of the ages, that righteousness, holiness, godliness is not come in the flesh! The Father is the Source of all things! Our Lord Jesus came to restore us to the Father, not to Himself, even though He is worthy of worship, He humbled Himself before the Great God, the Ancient of Days, that His will might be done. In the power of the Holy Ghost are we to worship God, the Father in Jesus name!
Solid points well explained from the holy scriptures.
OP, flesh & blood did not reveal this to you, but our heavenly Father did. Matt16:13-17
Haters will attack your person with name calling and sentiments, not refute your scriptural points. God bless you
UceeGod: But the submission of Jesus to the Father doesn’t come from any inherent inferiority; instead, it comes from the administrative order of the Godhead. A son is always in submission to his father, even if both are “equal” in substance. Simply put, God the Father will always be God the Father , and God the Son will always be God the Son , and for all eternity they will continue to relate to each other as Father and Son.
So your mind dey tell you say your post is coherent & make sense ? Lol.
Everything about Trinity is fraudulent, including the dubious term "Godhead" which doesn't even exist in koine Greek of the New Testament.
Christianity Etc › Re: Trinity Doctrine Exposed - See Why It Is False by Janosky: 4:58am On May 08, 2019
