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Janosky:
Why did He create his creatures who still obey his instructions even when beset by adversity,trials and temptation?
Didn't He know they were going to be faithful to Him?
Have you ever thought about it?
God has power to foreknow the future (Jer1:5) of events that fits into his plans& purposes. For instance the birth of the Messiah (Luke 1:26-33)

"Everything that is his delight He shall do"(Isa46:9 ,10). God choose not to foreknow things, events or outcomes that is not His delight.


For instance,you have the power to tune your transistor radio any station you want ,but you chose to tune in to Brila sports radio & Wazobia FM but forego the others.

cc: Budatuum
If God foreknew Israelites will be stiff necked stubborn and disobedient psalms 78:1-64 ,Acts7:51,52 then its pointless for him to appeal to them to listen to Him (Isaiah 48:17,18) or desire ALL to attain to repentance 2pet3:9

OLAADEGBU:
Today two Jehovah's Witnesses came to our door.

If you don't know how to share the gospel with JW's, let me tell you what I do. I say, "There's a knife in my back. I have three minutes to live. How can I enter the Kingdom?" I asked that today, and they couldn't help me.

The biblical answer is to simply trust alone in Jesus--that everlasting life is the gift of God (see Ephesians 2:8-9).

But JW's are a "works righteousness" religion (as are all religions outside of biblical Christianity). They think that they have to DO something to earn their way into the Kingdom. They believe that, because (like most religious people) they haven't seen their sin in its true light. For that they need the moral Law (the Ten Commandments).

Think of the thief on the cross. He said that he was justly being crucified. I don't think that he was saying that Roman law was fair and just—capital punishment for theft! I think he was pointing to God's Law rather than man's. He was justly dying because he had sinned against God.

It was in that hopeless condition that he turned to Jesus and said, "Lord, remember me when you come into your Kingdom." He couldn't DO anything because his hands were nailed by the law to the cross. He couldn't go anywhere, because his feet were nailed by the law to the cross.

Neither can we do anything or go anywhere to be saved, because we too have been nailed by the Law of God as guilty, deserving death and Hell. All we can do is turn to Jesus and trust in the mercy of God. We in essence say, "Lord! remember me." And He will.

www.NoahTheMovie.com

Source: https://www.facebook.com/official.Ray.Comfort 1 April 2014 at 05:00 ·

Lies and baseless claims.
if Mr Ray was stabbed with a knife,that liar go fit open him mouth to yarn trash?
U and the man are liars.
You wey prefer crocodiles to come to your door than JWs to knock on your door,you dey post lies and trash.


Sofri sofri dey blow this lie.
Where did JWs tell you that belief in ten commandments is the yardstick for salvation?

JWs don't force anyone to listen or accept the message of God's kingdom.

Omooba224:
My brother, so to speak, you are becoming obnoxious. You expect me to think because people keep on believing some crappy stuffs it means one imaginary omnipotent god is in control abi? I suppose, it is high time we ended the discussion. Thanks.

Mr atheist pls stay your atheist lane jejely.
I no get your time.
Peace .

Omooba224:
Who is the Supreme Maker? What is his blueprint?
Why did he create his creature who would later defiled his instructions in the first place, didn't he know they were going to err?

Why did He create his creatures who still obey his instructions even when beset by adversity,trials and temptation?
Didn't He know they were going to be faithful to Him?
Have you ever thought about it?
God has power to foreknow the future (Jer1:5) of events that fits into his plans& purposes. For instance the birth of the Messiah (Luke 1:26-33)

"Everything that is his delight He shall do"(Isa46:9 ,10). God choose not to foreknow things, events or outcomes that is not His delight.


For instance,you have the power to tune your transistor radio any station you want ,but you chose to tune in to Brila sports radio & Wazobia FM but forego the others.

soulpeppersoup:
Did you read what you just wrote? Through which man did sin enter the world?

I thought you would ask, through which man did sin enter man?

Sorry for your lack of understanding.

"The world" spoken of in that verse referred to "mankind".
The world of mankind originated from Adam and Eve
Acts17:26

soulpeppersoup:
Did any of those scriptures you typed said sin entered into man?

No!

It said sin entered into the world. Making sin a stain than a genetic configuration.

Did it say all were born of sin?

No!

It says, " all have sin." This make sin a personal action than an inherited action as being preached by many.

If you can't deal with your understanding, stay with the pharisees.

Through which man did sin enter the world?
Is that man your ancestor? Pls read these scriptures prayerfully and get the sense of it.
Rom5:12-18.. 1cor15:21,22
God bless.

Omooba224:
This is one of the reasons "omnipotence" quality of god is an illusion. He knew the angels were going to be rebellious yet he created them. Now, such rebellious acts of the creatures infuriate him. Then why is he omnipotent, was he not supposed to know their fallibilities?

Isaiah 45:9-11.
He never created them or mankind to be rebellious (Rev4:11. Eph1:3. 3:14. Gen1:26-31.Eccl12:1,13.
1cor10:31).
The Supreme Maker's blue print for mankind has largely been ignored. But people turn around to blame Him for man's woes.


God made his creatures free moral agents.
But some of his creatures (man and angels abused or misused it.
Eccl7:29.

Your car came with a manual, will your car maker force you to follow the manual?

budaatum:
I think it's a flaw if the created disobeys the creator.

And it's wasn't the first time either! Or did lucifer fall after Adam. A big flaw, I think. Or perfect freewill disobeying beings. Twice!

What you think?

It's not a flaw.
Rather it's abuse or misuse of the God given right to make choices for one's self.
God made it so for a purpose ,for the good of man & his eternal wellbeing.
Abuse or misuse distorts the process & the consequences are not palatable.
We see the replica of this issue in our daily lives.
For instance the knife was designed for domestic use in the kitchen for the process of food preparation.
But to some one else ,that same knife is his perfect weapon for murder.
The question is: Where did the flaw arise;from the maker of the knife or the wrong purposes for which the knife was put to use?
Ecclesiastics 7:29.

sukerefakere:
I can't wait to see adam in hell

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For your dreams...

Hairyrapunzel:
How come the rich man who was dead and unconscious in the grave able to feel agony in fire?

I know you will soon say jesus told a fake story or jesus didn't mean hell as a literal place of torment

You know you people like putting thoughts in Jesus Christ's head.

Gubernatorial Candidate of Yaba /Uselu Kolo State ,you dey deceive
yourself dey think say you smart.

Yet,your brain no dey reason am say na your perimeter fence separate father Abraham in heaven and Rich man in hellfire?

So,una hellfire and heaven get one fence sotayy person for heaven and person for hellfire go dey yarn with unlimited credit,no poor network.
Lol

Shelumiel:
I can see you are jobless .

Your insults and verbal abuse is still no proof of hellfire.
Shelumiel is self professed Sinless, Perfect Christian who verbally abuses another fellow on NL. Hypocrite dey form Christian. Perfect in hypocrisy.

budaatum:
They were perfect yet had a flaw in them that allowed them to "become "rebellious, forsook their God given duties and fell into sin"?

Hey! I didn't know angels were created perfect! And spirits too?

Adam and Eve were no zombies ,neither were angels ,Gen6:2 says angels chose to marry daughters of men.

Is it a flaw for a free moral agent to make choices for himself?

brocab:
The truth is, the Watchtower have gotten most of it's teachings from the Catholic Church' in the first place--Most Witnesses used to be Catholics or Protestants, [/color]Charles Taze Russell in the 1870’s. Russell was raised a Presbyterian, then joined the Congregational church, and was finally influenced by Adventist teachings, "and by his own admission, he had a hard time accepting the existence of hell. He sought out the Bible, and as his “studies” continued, he systematically began to reject the major doctrines of historic Christianity.
So because Russell denied Hell-it doesn't mean his right-matter of fact most Christians wouldn't dare to change the scriptures, because of Russell's beliefs, the Lord said: test everything {1 Thessalonians 5:21} 'speciously Russell's word-I wouldn't be surprise-where Russell is spending his eternity, in the same Hell he denied..
The two most common words for hell are hades and gehēnna. Hades was the Greek word for the realm of the dead, but Jesus uses it more specifically to refer to a place of torment {Luke 16:23} a place that is the opposite of heaven {Matt 11:23} Originally gehēnna referred to Hinnom Valley south of Jerusalem, where centuries earlier child sacrifice was practiced {2 Kings 23:10; Jeremiah 7:32}
By the time of Jesus, gehēnna was a picture of hell, such that Jesus warns "fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell [gehēnna]" {Matthew 10:28}

Your lies here strong oooo .
JW beliefs is very different from that of Catholics.

*** In the Greek Septuagint of the Hebrew Scriptures, Acts2:27 is a quote of Psalms 16:10 , the Hebrew word Sheol or grave was translated as hades Greek word for grave .
Mr brocab Hades or grave is NOT a place of torment. Eccl9:5-10. Gen3:19.

*** God condemned the practice of
burning children in fire as child sacrifice in Gehenna (Jer7:31. jer32:35) , Jesus can not disobey his Father and support the practice his Father had condemned .

Jehovah commanded the use of Gehenna as dump site for mass disposal (burial) of dead bodies (,jer19:2,6,10,11).
In the days of Jesus, that place was an incinerator /dump site.
No living person was thrown into Gehenna for any reason., Gehenna was NEVER a place of torment.

Jesus referenced Gehenna as
the symbol of destruction.

alBHAGDADI:
Do you think anyone has time to banter with false jehovahs witnesses? Your doctrine on hell deceived me for years till I discovered the truth and saw that hell fire truly exist.

If hellfire dey why Adam no go there? (God would have set a precedent with Adam but never did. Hellfire is a scam to instill fear).
Why Sodom and Gomorrah no go there?
Why rebellious sons of korah no go there?
Why the wicked world of Noah's day no go there?
Why wicked kings herod and Pharaoh no go there?

No come and quote parable of Lazarus and Rich man for me, it wasn't a real occurrence , just as parable of Good Samaritan never actually took place.

The wages of sin is death ,it's precedence are super abundant in the holy scriptures.
For hellfire, none !!!!!

Now continue to deceive your self.

Grace001:
Religion is a tools of controlling minds... That’s what the white what you to believe.


I believe in God and i connect to him in my own way not by following one cock and bull stories that is full of confusion.

Bible said Adam and Eve gave birth to two sons Cain and Abel, Cain killed Abel after that the same bible said God cursed Cain and wander in the land of nod where he met other people. That means there are people who exist before Adam and Eve

Anything wey you no know big pass you.
You either believe in the Bible as God's word or you don't.
No sitting on the fence.

soulpeppersoup:
Ignorant people pay for all things more than once.

soulpeppersoup:
Adam didn't pass any sin to anyone. It's not biblical.

Talk is cheap.
But lying Pharisee can not alter the word of God. 1cor15:21,22. Rom5:12. 3:23

Shelumiel:
Another JW in action ...mtchww

alBHAGDADI:
Jehovah's False Witnesses and their heresies


I pity you. Wait till you directly and see how horrible hell is

Stop being foolish .

None of you has disproved his well presented points from the holy Bible ,your insults is no proof of hellfire .
Femi Aribisala is NOT a Jehovah's Witness, but he has discovered this biblical truth which Christendom hides from it's gullible followers ,but feeds them with spiritual junk and fictitious hell.

"Carnal mindedness prevents (lying Pharisees) from understanding why the wages of sin is simply death.
They feel death is inadequate punishment for the sins of some one like Hitler....
The only penalty God has for any and every kind of sin is death; no more no less..."
Straight to the bull's eye.

bloodofthelamb:
First off, apostle John letter is the only letter that began without greetings to the saints. John wrote to the church addressing gnostic among them in chapter 1, while he now turned his attention to the saints in chapter 2.

John made it clear in chapter 2 that if we sin, we have an advocate with the Father who pleads our case unrepentantly.

With all thy getting, get understanding. It is life!

The first century Christians in John's day were believers, not Gnostics or Agnostics.

"John wrote to the Church addressing gnostic among them"
False claims and conjecture.

"John made it clear in chapter 2 that if we sin", according to "bloodofthelamb".

*** My questions to you:
why would any believer sin since he is already perfect ?
** and his sins "have been forgiven already"?


*** Col3:13, "CONTINUE putting up with one another forgiving one another freely "
** Ephesians 4:32" Forgiving each other "
In this v32 the word "Forgiving" is present continuous tense. That is an action you never stop to practice.
Why would you need to "continue putting up ( forgiving)" or "bear with each other" since you are perfect and your fellow believers are perfect too?

budaatum:
A perfect Adam can sin? How come?

Angels are spirit beings & created perfect.
Some of them became rebellious, forsook their God given duties and fell into sin (Gen6:2. 2peter2:4).
Obedience to God is a matter of choice, not by force (Josh24:15. 2Peter2:4).

Tfbaby:
Sir I've passed the level of sin....like am above sin the reason why you find this hard to comprehend is because you're still a babe, Does God sin? Does Jesus sin?? Or can the Holy Ghost commit sin

Don't worry if you want to overcome sin I can help you out sir
Please read the following scriptures so you can understand my POV sir john 10:30,17:18-22, 1corinthinas 6:17
Please Note: AM NOT A HUMAN BEING AM A SPIRIT

Spirit ke !!
I no go laugh....

God has never sinned , like wise Jesus ..They are absolutely perfect. (Original perfection. ,spotless).
NEVER sinned!

But no man has ever been absolutely perfect all the time.(U know say mint tear rubber car & thoroughly washed car no be same thing)

You admitted you used to sin before


Therefore to be like God& Jesus,you have to copy them.

"Become IMITATORS of me even as I IMITATE Christ" 1 Cor11:1
Evens zealous minister confessed his frailties (Acts 7:15-24)

In Matt5:48 , we dey imitate (or photo copy) God's perfection ,but only God is perfect in the absolute sense.(Luke 18:19)

budaatum:
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” Rom 3:23

I wouldn't say the above is false since even without Adam's sins, I fall short by myself. And even 5:12 has its standing in that I continue to commit the sin Adam sinned. But that Adam's sin is my sin too, that's harsh.

Would God really punish one for the sins of another?

God made Adam perfect but Father Adam,as a result of sin, passed on imperfections to us his offspring.

Adam's poor decision making has placed the human race where we are today.
The principle of inheritance still subsists.
The choices/decisions we make today affects generations yet unborn.

God in his wisdom has a frame work to redress these issues which has befallen mankind,through his son Jesus Christ.
God's solutions will not be late, he firmly assured us.(Hab 2:3. Isa55:8-11. Dan2:44. 7:13,14. Rev5:9,10 2pet 3:13. Rev21:3-5)






Yes oooo

Tfbaby:
NOPE...
The last time I prayed for forgiveness was before I got saved what is the essence of forgiveness when you don't sin

bloodofthelamb:
Janosky, don't you know that, if I pray for forgiveness it only means that I don't believe that I have been forgiven already through the blood of Jesus?

Asking God to do what he has already done due to unbelief.

1 John1:8-10 was NEVER addressed to unbelievers.
Sin is not existing in their worldview.


"If we confess our sins...." (A)
"he is faithful so as to forgive us.(B)

A' leads to B' ,in the absence of A to B, the result is C'
**'C'
".If we make the statement,'we have no sin', we are misleading ourselves and the truth is not in us..... we are making him a liar and his word is not in us"

Luke 18:9-14 is rocket science. Pharisees can not understand it.
Oma se oooo

bloodofthelamb:
Janosky, don't you know that, if I pray for forgiveness it only means that I don't believe that I have been forgiven already through the blood of Jesus?

Asking God to do what he has already done due to unbelief.

Luke18:9-14.
Good bye!

So Rom5:12 and Rom 3:23 is a false doctrine?
Yet,the OP can never deny that man is still paying the hefty price of Adamic sin.

** The way wey some of una dey mis yarn with una posts/topics,
Make una dey fear God oooo !

Tfbaby:
Stay perfect sir

bloodofthelamb:
We are perfect in Christ. It is time the truth of our perfection in Christ swallows us up, for we can't walk the perfect walk until we know and believe it wholly with everything we got.

Shalom!

I have questions for both of you:

* Since 1st January to 30th March ,2019, have you made an apology to your spouse, brother, sister, work mate, parents ,clients or to someone?

** In your prayers, have you ever prayed for forgiveness ?

cc: bloodofthelamb
cc:tfbaby

Tfbaby:
Brethren I've heard a lot about perfection so I want to ask the question here please

Can you be perfect?



CC:Bible scholars in the house

All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God .
Nobody is perfect.
Our righteousness is a filthy rag to Jehovah.
HE loves our humility ,obedience and faith in Jesus ransom sacrifice.

The provision of Jesus ransom sacrifice is a result of Jehovah's undeserved kindness & loyal love.
That is what sustains us daily.

Imperfect mankind will attain perfection during the millennium rule of Christ in God's kingdom where righteousness is to dwell.
2 Pet3:13. Rev5:9,10)

Emusan:
I wanted to ignore you people at first but I realized sometimes you don't need to ignore fool so that he won't think he's wise.

You people neglected the main point I raised but started attacking strawman...well I'm ready for you.

Now that you accuse me of quoting Judaism How can a rebellious angels still be called sons of God?

** Pls use your Church mind answer these JAMB questions:
Mr Emusan ,in your own copy of the holy Bible ,@ Gen6:2, is the term "Sons of God" written there ?

**In Gen 6:2 " sons of God" referred to whom?

*If the son of your Church pastor was convicted of financial fraud ,as a result his family ostracized him,does it change the fact that the convicted man is your pastor's biological son?

This Pharisee wan change God's word to suit his personal tastes
(Rev22:18,19)

Emusan:
Imagine, I want to argue but not learning...so it's your demonic doctrines that I should learn

You learnt before you know what to say, yet you're committing blunders everywhere here...see back to your learning school.

I know you people can twist anything just even your own website just to propagate your delusion doctrines.

The statement read "The Nephilim were giants, the violent superhuman offspring produced when wicked angels mated with human women in the days of Noah."

In fact, had it been you read the link I provided you'll have seen that you contradicted your organization.

This is what they wrote at the second paragraph
"The Bible account says that “the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful.” ( Genesis 6:2 ) Those ‘sons of God’ were actually spirit creatures who rebelled against God when they “forsook their own proper dwelling place” in heaven, materialized human bodies, and “began taking as wives all whom they chose.”​— Jude 6; Genesis 6:2

How can a rebellious angels still be called SONS OF GOD

I will continue to watch how you and your brothers will continue to dance around...

Lastly, the term Son of God was used even before the advent of born again came by Jesus Christ.

Emusan:
That's JWs for you they have A1 in twistology...

Na JW put "son of God " for Genesis 6:2?
I command you to receive sense oh lying Pharisees.

" Gen6:2 says "sons of God" saw that the daughters of men were beautiful and they married any of them they chose"

In Hebrew language the term "sons of God" is another word for angels.
Compare Job 1:6. 38:7 "sons of God" referred to angels.

In Hebrew language, the expression "sons of God" is not about piety or morals.
"Can a mortal be more righteous than God?...if God places no trust in his servants, if he charges his angels with error, how much those who live in houses of clay?"
Job4:17,18
** Angels can misbehave ,U dey see am?

If your copy of the Bible has a Concordance ,References or Margin Notes,& U stop feeding on spiritual junk from your pastorpreneurs,
U no go come here dey show case your stupidity.
Grow up,man.

solite3:
Jesus Christ is Almghty God and he remain so forever

Jesus Almighty God na the messenger (John 7:16) of Almighty God.

"Jesus Almighty God" na servant of the Almighty God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob ( Acts 3:13)

"Almighty God" get him Father & get him God (John20:17.Rom 15:6. Eph1:3 ,17)

"Almighty God" get him Father (Eph3:14)& get him Head for heaven (1cor11:3. Rev 3:12,14 ,21).

"Almighty God" wey him Father & him God granted life and authority John 5:26,27 & him God give am name(phil2:9)
** kikikikikikikiki

*Rev1:11 (KJV) is spurious and embellished with falsehood in all TR Bibles

Lying Pharisees twisting Rev1:8.& 22:13.
Shameless liars with out sense

asalimpo:
Iow, God is a spirit, then bird's animals, are spirits too! Man is also a spirit . Is this what you r saying?
According to you, man is no better than an animal? Besides where is it called "life force"? That term sounds very occultic!

A lying Pharisee who doesn't know that the term 'spirit' has more than one meaning in his own copy of the Bible, anything you don't know or understand you label it "occultic".

But d1 wey your pastorpreneurs dey wear several rings on their fingers and wear pagan cross as ornaments ,dey invoke "asha bakiko sibo" (wetin witch doctor dey do) ,you no dey see am say na occult!

Shepherd00:
Let me ask you the question the Lord asked Thomas. Does spirits have flesh and bones?

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
What does the bolded say clearly?


You are hoping you can upset me right? You failed.

Luke 24:31
And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
Has it occurred to you that Jesus veils the eyes of those He wishes even while he was alive?

Do you remember Him walking right through the Pharisees who wanted to stone him?


Luke 24:30 "Jesus took bread gave thanks and began to give it to them.
.**NOTE**
Jesus ate nothing , says Luke's gospel account

In other words Jesus never ate food after resurrection? Really? Okay here it is.
John 21:5 Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No.

John 21:5, 10 Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No.
Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now caught.

John 21:5, 10, 12 Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No.
Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now caught.

Jesus saith unto them, Come and dine. And none of the disciples durst ask him, Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord.

Jesus ate and drank with His disciples, try as you may, the scriptures are here.


v31".then their eyes were opened and they recognized him and he disappeared from their sight"

What veiled their eyes before?


It is crystal clear that Jesus was raised a spirit.
v31 "he disappeared from their sight" after they recognized him.

How come he could be touched? Do you know Jesus is fully human in Heaven right now? Yes, He is the only Supernatural being who is human, but a glorified body.

"Jesus is fully human in heaven"
(John 3:3,5..1cor15:43-45,50)

**" Jesus veiled their eyes" lying Pharisee (John 8:59..10:39)
Jesus no veil anybody eyes oo!

Spirits (angels) who appeared on earth in human form had flesh and bones. Jesus ate,angels ate too ( Gen19:1-3. Luk24:43).


**
Jesus appeared to his disciples in.different forms and they never recognized him until he revealed himself. or their eyes were opened .(Mark16:9-14. Lk24
Even after they had touched his flesh when he appeared to them with nail marks and wounds (John 20:27), later they still could not recognize him ( John 21:1,4).

1pet3:18.. Luk24:26 .1cor15:43-45 ,50) Jesus suffered dishonor as a criminal but was raised up in glory as a life giving spirit.
Stop deceiving yourself.