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UceeGod:
All you've succeeded in doing is to contradict yourself, unless if you really mean there are two Gods (which is impossible). The whole of the Bible is replete with evidence that Jesus Christ is the same God(Yahweh) of the old testament, who manifested in different forms to the Jewish people at different times before the incarnation at Bethlehem just over 2000 years ago. He is the same Holy Spirit manifesting in the lives of everyone who believes in Him from the day of Pentecost till date.

Confused lying Pharisee, read the OP several times and receive sense.
1 Cor 15:24-27 & Rev 3:5,12,14,21 nailed the coffin on the scam you're peddling here.

brocab:
Where in the spiritual realm does Jesus call His Father Jehovah?

Under no circumstances did Yahshua (Jesus) ever call or use the word “Jehovah”. that particular word did not even exist until 1520, when a Fransciscan Catholic priest named Peter Gallatin (Petrus Gallitinus) mixed up the tetragrammaton (four letter sacred name of God in Hebrew) YHVH with the vowels of the word Adonai, the Hebrew word for lord or master, and jumbled together a made-up word “Iahovah”, and the letter we know as “J” was just being invented, usually to substitute for the letter “I” or “Y”, and stuck that on there.

Jesus called his Father's name , even though we don't know the exact way he pronounced it.
It could have been Jehovah, Yahowah, Iahwe, Yahweh etc.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pietro_Colonna_Galatino

"Petrus Galatino (Italian priest) is some times referred to as the "inventor" of the Latinized term "Jehovah".
However, this is NOT accurate."

*** There is no concrete evidence that the pronunciation 'Jehovah' occurred as a result of mixing YHWH with the vowels of Adonay.
Where is the letter "e" in the hebrew adonay?

Na so so half truth and lies you sabi too much.

brocab:
Likewise, when Jesus taught His disciples to pray in {Matthew 6:9} "Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be Your name." He taught them to keep God's name as Holy, and this didn't involve actually speaking the word!
Nowhere in Jesus' model prayer does the word "Jehovah" occur, "Not even in the New World Translation.
So how come-you claim Jehovah is God's name, but when you pray you say Our Father..
If God's name was really Jehovah-then why had the NWT changed it to Our Father when it should sound Our Jehovah who is in Heaven?

Mr Liar, Jesus made his Father's name known to his disciples (John 17:26) and he quoted from the Old Testament (OT) where YHWH was written in the OT (Matt 4:4 Jesus quoted Deu8:3). Matt4:7,10 were Jesus quotes from OT.
He actually pronounced and spoke his Father's name.

** Matt 6:9, the manuscript says
" Our Father.." , and the NWT reflected it like that.
Any part of the Greek scriptures where YHWH was removed and replaced with LORD ,the NWT and ASV restored it accordingly. But Darby Translation restored YHWH in most places.

Shepherd00:
You mean the symbols which the Templars used predated them?

Pls draw us back to who used those symbols before the Templars.

And, what is a Cross doing in Watch Tower? Didn't Charles say Jesus was killed on a stake not a Cross?

I"m waiting.

If objectivity & solid facts are of importance to you, your first question above is an assignment for you.
Go and do your home work.

** in the past, before the 1930s, JWs held to certain beliefs which were NOT scriptural. For examples, Christmas, Cross etc.
That watchtower photo was from that time.

In the past, people of the ancient world thought the earth was flat but today we know better.
The Truth is constant but we MUST dig deeper to find it.

Shepherd00:
You only mentioned the Crown but passed off the Cross, why?

See how you have been deceived into worshipping satan and denying who Christ really is? .

I wrote:
"The cross symbolism, the pyramid symbols & OTHERS..."

You are blinded by sentiments , therefore, you've sacrificed objectivity.

Who did Jesus say he is ?
Matt16:13-17.
As usual ,you're fond of making spurious claims.

Shepherd00:
Who is peddling falsehood, Watch Tower which you believe more than the Bible or me?.

Shepherd00 baseless assumptions and conjectures. You are wrong 100%.
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brocab:
Likewise, when Jesus taught His disciples to pray in {Matthew 6:9} "Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be Your name." He taught them to keep God's name as Holy, and this didn't involve actually speaking the word!
Nowhere in Jesus' model prayer does the word "Jehovah" occur, "Not even in the New World Translation.
So how come-you claim Jehovah is God's name, but when you pray you say Our Father..
If God's name was really Jehovah-then why had the NWT changed it to Our Father when it should sound Our Jehovah who is in Heaven?

You lying pharisee brocab wan run away from confessing the Bible truth in Rev3:5 which confirmed that in heaven Jesus is still the son of his Father and God,Jehovah.
Jesus worships Jehovah in heaven.
Your mumu done do.

Lol

Shepherd00:
The body of Christ is disillusioned about both of them.

Of a truth, "the body of " lying Pharisees, con men and pastorpreneurs pretending to be Christians are disillusioned about JWs.......
Who send una?

Shepherd00:
I agree.

It's very logical for Shepherd of falsehood to agree with a proven peddler of lies.
Liars , I hail you wella

Isce:
The crown symbolism the King that slant cross the surd and the other round symbol same as that in UN symbols. These are load of symbols that may bore you. If you want to study their origin and meaning.

Janosky:
*** https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taze_Russell
" The Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon has said that Russell was NOT a Freemason" .

Pls bring on more LIES in your kitty.

Walter Veith is spreading his man made doctrines .
But the holy Bible is what JWs adhere to and stick with.
God bless .

The crown symbolism , the pyramid symbols & others
" these symbols under discussion used are NOT EXCLUSIVE TO MASONRY but predates the fraternity"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taze_Russell


Mr Liar, you no dey tire?

Isce:
You are quick to say I am a liar. Let me give a simply hint that you are blind.

But at no time have you prayed that the Holy Spirit should reveals the truth of these matters to you personally in all these case. For you, you have no personal conviction of the word of God. Your belief in God is a group one, not personal.

Again, I will call you a LIAR.
That is what you made yourself to be.

** From your first post to your last post on this thread, all you did was you made spurious, baseless allegations based on sentiments and falsehood.

Read your post above.
"at no time have you prayed that the holy spirit.... ." gbogbotigbo !

Monitoring spirit well done !
LIAR, I hail you wella.

brocab:
“The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels” {Revelation 3:5 ESV}
[color=#000099]This passage tells us that perseverance is essential to one who has his or her name written in the Book of Life. Faithfulness to God is crucial to having one’s name secure in God’s kingdom.

In the spiritual realm Jesus is still calling Jehovah "my Father",
Rev3:5 "before my Father and before his angels" .

Una Jesus is God, yet una "God" dey worship Jehovah , him Father & God for heaven.
All Trinity worshippers no get sense at all... their brain haf lost tay tayy !!!

Their thinking faculty over heats and gives them sifia pains when they try to defend their scam

brocab:

"Question Janosky: "What does it mean that Jesus is God's only begotten son?"
Answer: The phrase “only begotten Son” occurs in {John 3:16} which reads in the King James Version as, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believe in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
The phrase "only begotten" translates the Greek word monogenes. This word is variously translated into English as "only," "one and only," and "only begotten."
It's this last phrase {"only begotten" used in the KJV, NASB and the NKJV} that causes problems.
False teachers have latched onto this phrase to try to prove their false teaching that Jesus Christ isn't God; i.e., that Jesus isn't equal in essence to God as the Second Person of the Trinity.
They see the word "begotten" and say that Jesus is a created being because only someone who had a beginning in time can be "begotten." What this fails to note is that "begotten" is an English translation of a Greek word. As such, we have to look at the original meaning of the Greek word, not transfer English meanings into the text.
So what does monogenes mean?
According to the Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature {BAGD, 3rd Edition} monogenes has two primary definitions.
The first definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship."
This is its meaning in {Hebrews 11:17} when the writer refers to Isaac as Abraham's "only begotten son" {KJV}
Abraham had more than one son, but Isaac was the only son he had by Sarah and the only son of the covenant. Therefore, it is the uniqueness of Isaac among the other sons that allows for the use of monogenes in that context.
The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied in {John 3:16, see also John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9} John was primarily concerned with demonstrating that Jesus is the Son of God {John 20:31} and he uses monogenes to highlight Jesus as uniquely God's Son—sharing the same divine nature as God—as opposed to believers who are God's sons and daughters by adoption {Ephesians 1:5}
Jesus is God’s “one and only” Son. ....that Jesus was literally "begotten" as in “produced” or “created” by God the Father.[/color]

Brocab lying Pharisee displaying his unique talent for twisting the truth.

1).Luke 7:12.9:38" only begotten son"

**2) John 3:16,18 Jesus," only begotten son"

***3 Heb11:17-19 Isaac "only begotten son" of Abraham.

Above, from 1-3, they all have Fathers.
Can you be an "only begotten son" if you have no Father at all?
The answer is NO.
You MUST have a Father .
Jehovah is the still the Father of Jesus in heaven (Rev3:5 before my Father and his angels" in the spiritual realm. Rev 3:12,14,21.

*** Even without being "the only begotten son" uniqueness ,Isaac is still the son of Abraham.
Likewise, Jesus says himself is God's son John10:34-36. 17:1. 5:26.
Jehovah is Father to angels, to man and to Jesus. Eph3:14,15

In the physical realm as well as the spiritual realm, the FATHER Jehovah is GREATER THAN Jesus (John 14:28. 1Cor11:3. 15:24-28).

achorladey:
Of recent Janosky was busy dragging Ubenedictus over how the office of the POPE get to see to the EXECUTION of DISSENTERS and INDEPENDENT THINKERS still on this INDEPENDENT THINKING of a THING. Here is Janosky in another tone on this thread when the JWs are shown not to be DIFFERENT.
For more on his conversation with Ubenedictus check below
https://www.nairaland.com/3793815/how-one-witness-jehovahs-witness/68

Baba Twister , I hail you wella.

Pls situate my post in the context of my discus with Ubenedictus rather than come here and now twist it.
That post was in respect of the insertion of comma johanneum into 1John5:7.
Pope Leo X endorsed Erasmus work where in he made that dubious insertion into the Bible.
My point was that would Erasmus ever dare to reject adding that fake insertion, since he already knew the fate of individuals dissenting against the Pope?

If it wasn't the plot of the church to place that fake stuff in the Bible, why was the church against any dissent to the comma Johanneum ,300 years later even though it was already proved to be fake?

Pls your claim dey weak

johnw47:
you say the truth is what's important to you, and yet you say that Jesus Christ the Lord and Saviour of the World is "a god"
however Jehovah God says diffrent to you, that there is no god with Him:

Deu_32:39  See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me:

which makes your nwt on john 1:1 of course false:

nwt John 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

and makes the christian translation correct:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

I thank Jehovah your perpetual mumu is NOT contagious.

Jesus said Jehovah his Father is "the only true God" John 17:3.

Deu32:39 " See now that I, even I,am he,and there is no god with me".
Jehovah the only true God say's there is no god with me"
** Firm Proof that anyone (in this case, the Word ) with Jehovah is NOT Jehovah.

In John 1:1,"the Word was with God" (Greek says "the Word was with the God",according to your perpetual mumu, God the word was with God his Father.
That is two Gods,meaning that you twisted "and the Word was God" to fatten your scam.
(Basic understanding of English tells you that the Word was with his Father, the only true God ).
In other words, the son is NOT the only true God,his Father.


**the son confessed he is a god (John 10:34-36)but his Father is the only true God.
Any lie you blow here is against John 10:34-36

brocab:
God has not chosen to reveal to us the names written in the Lamb's book of life, but I don't like your chances-Johnw has a much better chance then you 'right now. [/color]

Brocab lying Pharisee displaying his unique talent.
Lord have mercy.
Lol

johnw47:
lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ
gal 1:8 doesn't say that liar

Your perpetual mumu is NOT contagious. I give Praises to Jehovah , the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ Hallelujah !!!!!!

brocab:
M?
But anybody who claims to know Jesus and not preach God's Word is a crackpot..
Anybody that say's the Anybody that claims a religion that began in 1871 is God's true followers, is a fool..

Yes nau ... crackpots AKA lying Pharisees do not preach the good news of the kingdom of God- the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Crackpots are so blissfully deluded and ignorant of the basic Bible truth that every servant of the God of Abraham,the men of faith(Heb 11:1-39),including Jesus ( Acts 3:13. Rev3:12,14) was a Jehovah's witness," the great cloud of witnesses" (Heb12:1,2) whose faith we should imitate.
They were witnesses for Jehovah,the only true God . John 17:3

brocab:
It was the way I had explained it to the JW, no offence to anybody, we know-we are walking on the right path to know..
I believe our names are written-I believe 'because I see fruit..
Jesus said: go out unto all the nations and preach "His" Gospel, we don't preach another gospel, not like we see others from different denominations do.
And like Paul said: {2 Corinthians 11:4} they preach another Jesus-and they may put up with it, but you and I don't put up with it..

That's why you deceive yourself with false reasoning.

"Paul an apostle-sent not by men nor man but by Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Jesus from the dead " Gal1:8 (where are those Jesus raised himself Liars?)

"Follow my example as I follow the example of Christ" 1 Cor11:1.

* " Jesus answered:My teaching is NOT MY OWN.It comes from Him who sent me" John 7:16.

*" Jesus went into Galilee proclaiming the good news of God. 'The time has come' he said .The kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe this good news" Mark1:14,15

* Jesus traveled about from one town and village to another, proclaiming the good news of God."
Luke 8:1.

The good news of the kingdom of God was indeed Jesus gospel. That's "his gospel"

"As you go, preach, saying: "The kingdom of the heavens has drawn near" Matt10:7. Mark13:10.

**** Messers lying Pharisees, the good news of the kingdom of God is the gospel of Jesus he commanded his disciples to preach. Matt24:14.
That is what every disciple of Jesus did at that time ,including Paul& even today, everyone knows JWs are doing it.

Isce:
This are not real CVs.

None are by interest or fact, I am just scanning the character and personality the you boost of and defend.

Please search for God and stand for him in this complicated world.

Psalms 118:8
It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

Jeremiah 17:5
Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Take your stand today.

God bless you

You lied that Russell was of Freemason fraternity. I referred you to the evidence that Russell is not their member.

In your opinion you're scanning "the character and personality of the man I boast of and defend" with quoted scriptures you have misapplied.

Mr Isce ,there's a wide gulf between you and the truth, just like North Pole and South Pole.

rottennaija:
Have you read how watchtower is stalking people this days? Hiring private investigators, sending letters to people who have never attended their meetings in 5 years for judicial committee, harrasing members who chose to fade away?

I just saw these complaints on facebook and someone will say this religion is not cult. Go through the comments too, you will see people's complaints.

https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2406160842936163&id=100006268126035



budaatum, TATIME, Maximus69, Jozzy4, Jessicha

Story story.
How many times have rotten naija been harassed & stalked for dissenting against JW beliefs?

You know your parents inside out.

* * My question;
Your parents dey inside cult?

achorladey:
Did I see you type THINK! That's the job of the GOVERNING BODY every other member is to PARROT the THINKING of the GOVERNING BODY.

In Jehovah's organization it is NOT necessary to spend a lot of time and ENERGY in RESEARCH, for there are brothers in the organization who are ASSIGNED to do that very THING. Watchtower June 1 1967.



Avoid questioning the COUNSEL provided by GOD'S VISIBLE ORGANIZATION. Some who point out that the ORGANIZATION has had to make some ADJUSTMENTS before, so they argue: " This shows that we have to make up OUR OWN mind on what to BELIEVE" This is INDEPENDENT THINKING. Why is it so DANGEROUS?"
watchtower 1983 Jan 15 p. 22



Who are this FOREMOST brothers you bet most of them are from THE office of the WRITING and SERVICE committee. GB and the HELPERS combination.

We will keep trying to restrain ourselves from bad languages nothing is gained when one resort to that level.

You wey sabi bible & get wisdom pass GB,na so so complain u dey complain upandan against JW.

** Martin Luther say Catholic Church no dey follow Bible, he go him own way jejely.
The British monarchy say them no like to stay under authority of the Pope, them waka go their way jejely .
If you value your so called independent thinking, it's very idiotic to complain against those you claim you're better than.

You guys UNCONSCIOUSLY ENVY the GB & JWs cohesion ( you will never admit it..),akin to the gang of Korah challenge Moses (Num16:1-3 "why would imperfect Moses lord it over Jehovah's congregation? ) (for their mind,why would imperfect GB , lead a whole 8 million plus JWs cohesively worldwide? Ask Rottennaija, How many disciples of Jesus dey teach wetin Jesus condemn,wey him no approve ?)
You say Janosky no sabi drive but you dey drag my car steering with me. As you no like the way I drive, comot from my car, go dey drive your own the way you like it.
Go serve your "God" the way you please.

Rottennaija , a self confessed atheist and unbeliever of the Bible, wan come reform JWs, you're a joke.

Isce:
but for me what I want to defend is that same gospel the apostles of Jesus Christ, the reformer and all those whose attention and consciousness are to defend our Lord Jesus Christ in this earth.

Take your stand today. God bless you

It's all about standing with the truth, that's what's important to me , that's what Jesus stood for
john18:36 .

You can not stand for the truth or "defend Lord Jesus Christ in this earth" by spreading falsehood that "Russell is Freemason","JW is cult group"

Hairyrapunzel:
The gospel he commissioned his followers to preach according to jws is that people should join watchtower organization and accept the Bible interpretation formulated by the 8 old men in new York who teach that people must accept them as the only channel of communication between God and man today or else they will be destroyed/slaughtered by their jehovah in their upcoming Armageddon.

The scriptures(Matt24:14. Mark1;14,15. 1Cor 11:11 etc in my preceding posts you responded to, have you correlation with your opinion, proof that you can't think straight anymore .
** Major symptoms of anti jw psychosis syndrome..
Go and preach the gospel na , if you get liver .
JW matter dey make you kolo .

No hospital anywhere get vaccine for your Anti jw psychosis syndrome .

Hairyrapunzel:
The gospel he commissioned his followers to preach according to jws is that people should join watchtower organization and accept the Bible interpretation formulated by the 8 old men in new York who teach that people must accept them as the only channel of communication between God and man today or else they will be destroyed/slaughtered by their jehovah in their upcoming Armageddon.

Go and preach the gospel na , if you get liver .
JW matter dey make you kolo .

No hospital anywhere get vaccine for your Anti jw psychosis syndrome .

Isce:
I am not your focus your focus are the list of Souls out there. I am only making you observe some discoveries that could worry you that is why I directed you to amazing discovery by Prof Walter Veith. The videos and lectures there are much and could take one over 3 months to completely digest all those facts before arriving at conclusion. I have Studied these facts also for more than 3 years now. I am your fellow brother Oooo. I am not Lucifer. So direct your anger to him misleading you.

I only brought this topic about a day ago and directed you to the lecture same period and you are here defending your self. The question is on what ground~ emotion, or warri ego. " I no won carry last".

Take your time. God bless you

Mr Isce, pls make sure of all things and hold fast to what is fine ,so says the holy scriptures.
The junk from Walter Veith can't save anyone, let alone Veith himself .
Peace.

Janosky:
You are a LIAR because you labelled JW as "cult group", even though the facts presented to you shows your claim is FALSE .
That's the proof you are driven by emotions , not by concrete facts.

My questions;
What do you mean by "Jesus Godhood"? Pls explain .

** What do you mean by:
"these cult group set up by Lucifer subtly change the context of the Bible ...."
Pls explain your point clearly.

Mr Isce pls explain your self, answer my questions nau .
Peace

Isce:
Mr Russell is not my focus for now, if you are that curious as your gesture claims, you will find out yourself and not by asking your fellow JW,

Janosky:
*** https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taze_Russell
" The Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon has said that Russell was NOT a Freemason" .

God bless .

Mr Isce, Wikipedia.org is NOT owned by Jehovah's witnesses .
Neither affiliated to JWs.

The Wikipedia research entry on Mr C.T. Russell ,based on public inquiry to Freemason fraternity, the Freemasons themselves said Mr Russell is NOT their member. I don't care if Russell is not your focus for now, you brought the issue here.
You can not run away from it,now that the evidence from Freemasonry shows that you, "Isce" LIED on this thread .

So,the Russell is cult falsehood and many more lies like that, na you waste your precious 3months learning junk from Walter Veith ..... Lols

brocab:
The name Jehovah is only at least 500 years old..

Fictional tale of brocab

brocab:
Well if you truly believed in Jesus Christ-you will be preaching His gospel. but you don't preach His gospel, you are just like Paul said: you won't preach it because you refuse to believe it, so your fruit will not shine amongst God's people-so I don't like your chances..

What is the gospel that Jesus preached?John7:16.Mark 1:14,15. 1Cor11:1.

What is the gospel he commissioned his followers to preach? Matt 24:14. Mark 13:10

** Brocab ,are you preaching the gospel that Jesus preached in Mark1:14,15 Mark 13:10?

" I don't like your chances" ,who made you judge on this matter? Are you now Jesus?

Isce:
of course it mean noting to you. Even if they hand the origin bible text and script to you, it will make no meaning to you except you decide to think.

The Battle is the Son of the Most High God "JESUS CHRIST" as long as their cult can blindfold you about his Godhood place, they have defeated you. That is where your faith is anchored not door to door preaching. If the subject matter is defeated every effort, method, style and pattern you camouflage with is a waste.

While would these cult group setup by Lucifer subtly change the context of the bible if you care to watch that lecture to confuse the likes of you about Jesus Godhood and everything He stands for, in the NIV, NKJV,ASV and these new translation.



God bless you

You are a LIAR because you labelled JW as "cult group", even though the facts presented to you shows your claim is FALSE .
That's the proof you are driven by emotions , not by concrete facts.

My questions;
What do you mean by "Jesus Godhood"? Pls explain .

** What do you mean by:
"these cult group set up by Lucifer subtly change the context of the Bible ...."
Pls explain your point clearly.