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johnw47:
your confusion is unbelievable oh know nothing:
1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

truly Jesus yet again shows that He is God:
Mar 10:18  And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Mat_20:15  Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?


double posting and repeating your lies over and over again
as you often do won't make them come true, stupidity brain

Johnw lying Pharisee your brain shuts down whenever the truth of the holy Bible exposés your lies & scam doctrines.

Your insults amounts to pouring water on a basket.
Lol

brocab:
There is only one simple answer to stop you maniacs destroying bible truth-One must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God-JW's are not born again believers, reason you don't believe you have the rights to enter into God's kingdom!
{John 3:4-6} Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.
This is where the truth is, in the Word of God, any other doctrine found elsewhere that doesn't line up with the Word of God-is a lie from the beginning.
We should be testing the Spirit-testing every word that comes out of the mouth of a false prophet..

Pharisees who loves the words of an imperfect slave, Thomas (John 20:28) but ignored/ rejected the words of the perfect Master, Jesus Christ(John 20:17,30,31. Eph1:3).
Is imperfect Thomas the boss of Jesus Christ?

You don't even know the meaning of born again...
U think say na all comers affair?

johnw47:
Jesus yet again shows that He is God:

Mar 10:18  And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Mat_20:15  Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

Johnw lying Pharisee doing what he knows best- LIES & twisting of facts.

Matt20:15... "are you envious because I am generous?"
"Generous " That's the proper Greek word there as far as the context of Matt20:14,15 is concerned.
v14 proves that "generous" is the exact word that fits the context.

*** For instance,' Busy' is a synonym for 'Engaged'.
If some one asks Johnw Pharisee, what's his relationship status, this Pharisee guy will reply that he is busy..
Lol.
In the context of relationship status, "engaged" does not stand for 'busy'.

johnw47:
you false jw's have said:

1. Jesus body wasn't raised
2. Jesus was raised in a diffrent body

just like i said and just like you now confirm, ha ha, confused know nothing

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Janosky:
johnw lying Pharisee can't think straight anymore.

** " false jws claim that Jesus body was not raised that he was raised in a different body"
Mr Liar is so CONFUSED he now goes about to rebrand his lies.

** Whereas the holy Bible teaches us that Christ was resurrected to life with spirit body,not the fleshly body he sacrificed for our sins.

#### "Christ also suffered for our sins once for all,the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God,after being put to death in the fleshly realm but made alive in the spiritual realm"
1 Peter3:18.

"We have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all"
Hebrews10:10.

**But Johnw , Olaadegbu, brocab& other lying Pharisees DISAGREED with the truth in their own copy of the holy Bible.
Dem go come Nairaland pretending to be Christians....

I'm not surprised that Johnw Pharisee is not honest & truthful. Is Hebrews10:10 and 1Pet3:18 cited & quoted above, you have disagreed with, are they not in your copy of holy Bible?
Pharisee dey form Christian.
Lol

johnw47:
truly lying pharisee deceiver Janosky/OneJ
you false jw's have said:

1. Jesus body wasn't raised
2. Jesus was raised in a diffrent body

just like i said and just like you now confirm, ha ha, confused know nothing

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Janosky:
johnw lying Pharisee can't think straight anymore.

** " false jws claim that Jesus body was not raised that he was raised in a different body"
Mr Liar is so CONFUSED he now goes about to rebrand his lies.

** Whereas the holy Bible teaches us that Christ was resurrected to life with spirit body,not the fleshly body he sacrificed for our sins.

#### "Christ also suffered for our sins once for all,the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God,after being put to death in the fleshly realm but made alive in the spiritual realm"
1 Peter3:18.

"We have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all"
Hebrews10:10.

**But Johnw , Olaadegbu, brocab& other lying Pharisees DISAGREED with the truth in their own copy of the holy Bible.
Dem go come Nairaland pretending to be Christians....

I'm not surprised that Johnw Pharisee is not honest & truthful. Is Hebrews10:10 and 1Pet3:18 cited & quoted above, you have disagreed with, are they not in your copy of holy Bible?
Pharisee dey form Christian.
Lol

johnw47:
truly olaadegbu doesn't believe in a 3 faced pagan god


truly believing thomas is not disbelieving Jesus oh confused know nothing, ha ha


Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Pharisee Johnw dey misquote holy scriptures wey him no understand or fit.explain.

worshipper of 3 face pagan gods dey deceive himself.
Son of God is NOT God the son (where "God the son" dey for your Bible?)
Ghost na demon (rebellious angels in opposition to Jehovah) , none of them is holy.

johnw47:
i didn't see where olaadegbu ignored and rejected the words of Jesus
"I am returning to my Father and your Father, my God and your God"
and
"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ "


yes he believes that, so do i, and you don't



duh, Father and the Word is God, john 1:1, plus many more, ask
they are two persons that are one God,



even i know that olaadegbu doesn't believe in a 3 faced pagan god,


our Jehovah certinally is, but your jehovah is a false jehovah that has "a god" with Him

Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.


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#** Mr Liar, show us evidence on this forum where your friend,Mr Olaadegbu has used or referred to John 20:17 & Ephesians 1:3 to buttress his belief in your 3 faced pagan gods, AKA Trinity.

**** you have always believed in Thomas, an imperfect slave ( John 20:28) and devalued/ rejected the words of his perfect Master, Jesus Christ(John20:17.10:34-36
Eph1:3).


***** You misquoted Deu32:39
" See now that I alone am He.
There is no God besides me. I bring ,I give, I wound, I heal.."
('I' is singular,meaning "one" ,"only".
One God in Deu32:39 agrees with John 17:3 , the only true God is NOT the God& the Word, Jesus.
** PROOF: One God is not Johnw lying Pharisee " God is two persons in one spirit ". fallacy.
Johnw Pharisee interpretation of John 1:1 is fallacious.

*** "God presides in the heavenly council . In the assembly of the gods He gives judgement"
Psalms 82:1 (GNT)

** "I have said,'Gods ye are. And sons of the Most High- all of you"
Psalms 82:6 (YLT)

*** "I said, you are gods, you are all sons of the Most High"
Psalms 82:6.
Yahweh is surrounded by His sons, all of them He called "Gods".
Deu32:39 agrees with Eph3:14, Deu5:8,9. 6:13 & Matt4:10.
Yahweh is our heavenly Father, the only true God to whom every family in heaven and earth owes it's name"

Worship the only true God,(Yahweh) Jehovah , not his sons, other gods or man made images.
Johnw & his fellow Pharisees lacked accurate knowledge of the holy Bible.

johnw47:
i have read at these forums where false jw's claim that Jesus body was not raised
that he was raised in a diffrent body
you go back and search for it know nothing

johnw lying Pharisee can't think straight anymore.

** " false jws claim that Jesus body was not raised that he was raised in a different body"
Mr Liar is so CONFUSED he now goes about to rebrand his lies.

** Whereas the holy Bible teaches us that Christ was resurrected to life with spirit body,not the fleshly body he sacrificed for our sins.

#### "Christ also suffered for our sins once for all,the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God,after being put to death in the fleshly realm but made alive in the spiritual realm"
1 Peter3:18.

"We have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all"
Hebrews10:10.

**But Johnw , Olaadegbu, brocab& other lying Pharisees DISAGREED with the truth in their own copy of the holy Bible.
Dem go come Nairaland pretending to be Christians....

johnw47:
God's church is of course made up of people having true faith
they are from non denomination, and from denominations

of course they are not from false jw's who believe the Lord and Saviour of the world
is "a god" "a angel"


Jesus said he will raise His temple-body

you false jw's not only call Jesus a liar, saying: He didn't raise his body, and even saying his body wasn't raised at all
and then when we show with scripture that Jesus did indeed raise his body just as he said he would, you say, Father raised his body

Jesus body wasn't raised, but Father raised it, ha ha ha

It's time you go see a shrink.
Give us proof where JWs were "even saying Jesus body wasn't even raised at all".
With out your proof you are a confirmed liar making false allegation.

** ** In pre-christian time, Moses led the Israelites.

Jesus led his apostles , after his death, the governing body of older men & Apostles in Jerusalem played the role of leadership.
Christ's followers shunned the none denominational tag .
Hebrews 10:24,25.

***Only Satan is actually none denominational, "from roving about in the earth" he came to gate crash Yahweh's meeting with his sons (including Jesus) in heaven but "Satan went away from the person of Jehovah" Job1:6,7.
Satan no get seat for Yahweh's meeting.

** Your " Jesus raised his body" fallacy can not stand.
His Father Yahweh "raised his servant , Jesus from the dead"
Acts 3:13-15.
** " I have resurrected my body" no dey anywhere for your Bible but inside your imperfect brain.

OLAADEGBU:
What is the difference between your organisation and Islam? Muslims don't believe Jesus is God the Son, they don't believe that Jesus is Lord and Saviour, they don't believe that Jesus is the Christ, they don't believe that Jesus died on a Cross, they don't believe that Jesus was raised from the dead neither do they believe that He is coming back again. So tell me how exactly you are different from them?

Totally off point.
This thread has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with Islam/Muslims.
Diversionary tactics .
U love the words of the imperfect slave, Thomas (Jn20:28) more than his perfect Master, Jesus Christ (John 20:17,30,31. Eph1:3).
That's the point U dey dodge dey talk about Islam.
Lol

OLAADEGBU:
"And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My Lord and my God" (John 20:28)

This same Jesus who died on the Cross is also my Lord and my God. Can you say the same about yours?

OLAADEGBU, your status as a Pharisee is officially confirmed.

** You ignored & rejected the words of the perfect Master, Jesus said to his followers... "I am returning to my Father and your Father, my God and your God" John 20:17, further confirmed by Paul,:" "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ ", Eph 1:3).

** But, hang on to the words of his imperfect slave, Thomas, "my Lord and my God".

How can a begotten god/ begotten son (Jn1:18) who has the Almighty as his God & Father , be that same Almighty God ?

** Since you believed your 3 faced pagan "Gods" died, no problem.
I'm proud to announce to the world that Jehovah (YHWH) ,the only true God of the holy scriptures,& the God of Jesus, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob (Acts3:13 , Eph1:3, Jn20:17,
Jn17:3, 1stTim1:7) is immortal forever & ever.

"Pharisees publicly declare they know God but they disown him by their works" Titus1:16.

You trust imperfect slave, Thomas, more than his perfect Master Jesus, oma se ooo!

OLAADEGBU:
He proved that Jesus had died on a Cross with the prints of nails in His hands and that Jesus Christ is Lord and God, all of which the Watchtower magazine denies.

"The other disciples therefore said to him, We have seen the Lord. But he said, Except I shall see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into His side, I will not believe" (John 20:25).

"And set up over His head His accusation written: THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS" (Matthew 27:37).

We also have another eyewitness to thank in apostle Matthew who said that a sign was set up over the Lord Jesus' Christ head.

This is why heretics would not see Jesus Christ as Lord and their God neither would they believe that Jesus died on the Cross nor rose physically from the grave.

I have to be very blunt with you, no holds barred...

You are educated but very illiterate...
The inscription, "THIS IS JESUS,THE KING OF THE JEWS", is that the instrument on which Jesus was impaled?
Did Matthew 27:37 say Jesus two hands were nailed to that inscription?
OLAADEGBU WAYO man,
" Jesus said... I am returning to my Father and your Father, my God and your God" (John 20:17).


"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" who alone is immortal. Eph1:3. 1st Tim1:17

You believe your "Gods" died, so be it.
Your "Gods" is NOT the only true God, the God & Father of Jesus Christ. (John 17:3. 20:17,30,31).

@Ochibuogwu5:

My questions, pls.

* The word was with who? with himself?

*a) The word is God or (*b)the word was God, which one is in your Bible,a or b?

*** v18: "No man has seen God at anytime, " is "the word that same God "no man has seen at anytime?"

**verse 1c ," the word was God" meaning "begotten God" in verse18?

** Is Begotten God same as Almighty God?

Thank you in advance for responding

*** CONTINUED...
* * John20:28"Thomas said: my lord and my God", Thomas never said "Our Lord and our God!
Thomas is a disciple ,Jesus is his Master.

" Jesus said.... tell them, I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God" John 20:17
Thomas is inferior to Jesus, likewise Jesus is inferior to Jehovah.
** "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ..." Eph1:3

****Jesus never raised himself

"The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jakob , the God of our Fathers,has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed.... but God, Jehovah raised him from the dead" Acts3;13-15.

**#@ Eph1:17
" I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ. the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better"

" Now this is eternal life: that they may know you ,the only true God, and Jesus, whom you have sent"
John 17:3
Eternal life is actually based on having the accurate knowledge of the Father our only true God and his son, Jesus whom he sent.

"Accept Jesus as our Lord and personal saviour and get saved", that's half truth.
You must know Jehovah & his son Jesus, to gain eternal life in God's coming kingdom 2pet3:13.
####
"Mary a virgin bore a child.
That child, "Jesus must be Jehovah'" was called "Immanuel" which means "God with us" .
Mary ,a virgin gave birth to God in the flesh, Mary is the mother of God, that's what they really mean but they are quick to label Catholics liars even though they & Catholics believe that Mary is the mother of Immanuel, God in the flesh.

Lol.

Last last, " Jesus must be Jehovah' is a fraud.
Mr OLAADEGBU, Trinity is a scam.

OLAADEGBU:
The difference between us is our source of authority. Mine is the infallible word of God and yours is the Watchtower magazine. My authority says that there were more than one nail that was used in the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ which proves that He died on a Cross. My authority also tells me who exactly Jesus is.

Jehovah spoke through the prophet Isaiah:

"I am God and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:22). We know only Jehovah is God.

He further says in verse 23

"I have sworn by myself...that unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear"

So if every knee will bow to only one being, who is that one being?

"That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:10-11)

If we only bow to God alone, then Jesus must be Jehovah and both are the same God.

You must believe that we must only pray to Jehovah, right? If yes, then you would have read in Acts chapter 7 where Stephen was being stoned to death but he saw Jesus standing at the right of the Father. Who did Stephen pray to? He prayed to Jesus and Jesus received his prayer and his spirit because Jesus is God.

After Jesus died and rose again, He appeared to 'doubting Thomas' and Thomas called Him "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28).

If Jesus is not God then that's blasphemy! But Jesus accepted Thomas' worship because Jesus is God. Remember the words of Isaiah the prophet that I quoted earlier.

"I am God and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:22).

The apostle Peter testified of our Lord Jesus Christ to the high priest, saying:

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12).

Matthew 1:22-23 fulfils the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14. Mary, a virgin, bore a child. That child, Jesus...was called "Immanuel" which means "God with us."

Jesus lived a perfect life. People tried to find fault in Him because He did things only God was supposed to do. (See Mark 2:5-7; John 10:31-33).

Evil men beat Jesus, then killed him the Roman way; by crucifixion and remember the 2 nails print on His hands (John 20:25).

Three days later Jesus raised His own body from the grave, just as He promised. Only God could raise His own body (See John 2:19-21; 10:17-18). Do you know this Jesus?

U don't really know Jesus.
The difference b/w U & JWs is that U twisted & misquoted God's infallible word.

*** #1
Jesus NEVER died on the cross but on a stake,an upright pole.

*** PROOFS***
The Jewish practice of executing criminals by impalement predated Jesus , for that reason, Paul referenced it to Jesus (Deu21:22,23 .Gal3:13. Acts5;30. Ezra6;11.
Esther 7:9,10. Josh10:26,27).
**Jesus lived , died & was buried as a Jew( John 19:40-42). To unbelieving Jews, Jesus was a criminal ( John 19:6,7),therefore he was impaled on a stake, according to Jewish custom & practice > Deu21:22,23. Gal 3:13.

** JWs don't dispute that nails were used to impale Jesus,U don't have to twist it anyway.

*** Isaiah 45:22 contradicts your "Jesus must be Jehovah" FRAUD.
Fake analogy, fake doctrine.
U always agreed that your "God the Son" is NOT your "God the father".
Isaiah 45:22 says "I am God..." that's a first person singular statement refering to Only one person. Naso your English teacher teach you.
Isaiah 45:22 "I am God" is NEVER "We are God".
"One God the FATHER from who all things came" ( 1cor8:6)
Ogbeni, U have no point at all.

***# Your bringing in Phil2:10,11 & Acts4:12, funny indeed.
Go & read Phil2:5-11,v6 Jesus is unfit to grasp equality with his God& Father. Jesus confessed," The FATHER is greater than I"(Jn14:28).
v9" Jehovah "gave him the name" & everything Jesus has.
@Eph3:14" I bend my knees to the Father to whom every family in heaven and on earth owes it's name"

" Jesus must be Jehovah'" na fraud.

*** ### Acts7:59, Greek Lexicon
" (While) they were stoning ( him)Stephen APPEALED...."
https://studybible.info/vines/Appeal
* Vines Expository Dictionary of New Testament words:
Epikaleo> "to call upon" has the meaning 'APPEAL' ...
Stephen died calling upon the lord" Acts7:59.
Paul used this same word in Acts25;11,12,21,25" I APPEAL to Caesar"

Stephen never prayed to Jesus, likewise Paul never prayed to Caesar.
"God a beg ooo"
Osanobua laho"
Anayo chukwu biko"
Oghene biko"
These are expression of appeals ,like Stephen did.

achorladey:
I was pondering this as passed across by a FRIEND concerning IF God were to come and preach to us ONE on ONE or knock at our OUR doors individually personally. MY FRIEND said this account in 1 John 5: 9 - 13 will be likely what GOD will utter from his MOUTH .........

We ACCEPT HUMAN TESTIMONY, but GOD’S TESTIMONY is GREATER because it is the TESTIMONY OF GOD,
which he has GIVEN about his SON. WHOEVER believes in the SON of GOD accepts this testimony. WHOEVER does not
believe GOD has made him out to be a liar, because they
have not believed the TESTIMONY GOD has GIVEN about his
SON. And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. WHOEVER has the SON has LIFE; WHOEVER does not have the SON of GOD does not have
LIFE. I write these things to YOU WHO BELIEVE in the NAME of the SON of GOD so that YOU may know that you have ETERNAL LIFE. This is the CONFIDENCE WE have in approaching God.

We are fortunate, that TESTIMONY of GOD is contained in the BIBLE.

Gbam!
Back then, the Pharisees refused & rejected (John8:38-44.10:36) the Son of God& the TESTIMONY of Jehovah God about his Son, Jesus Christ. (Matt3:16,17. Matt16:13-17. John 20:17,30,31).
These days, their "Jesus is Jehovah" slogan & "two persons in one spirit" FRAUD revealed who they really are (John 8:44).

OLAADEGBU:
The difference between us is our source of authority. Mine is the infallible word of God and yours is the Watchtower magazine. My authority says that there were more than one nail that was used in the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ which proves that He died on a Cross. My authority also tells me who exactly Jesus is.

Jehovah spoke through the prophet Isaiah:

"I am God and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:22). We know only Jehovah is God.

He further says in verse 23

"I have sworn by myself...that unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear"

So if every knee will bow to only one being, who is that one being?

"That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:10-11)

If we only bow to God alone, then Jesus must be Jehovah and both are the same God.

You must believe that we must only pray to Jehovah, right? If yes, then you would have read in Acts chapter 7 where Stephen was being stoned to death but he saw Jesus standing at the right of the Father. Who did Stephen pray to? He prayed to Jesus and Jesus received his prayer and his spirit because Jesus is God.

After Jesus died and rose again, He appeared to 'doubting Thomas' and Thomas called Him "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28).

If Jesus is not God then that's blasphemy! But Jesus accepted Thomas' worship because Jesus is God. Remember the words of Isaiah the prophet that I quoted earlier.

"I am God and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:22).

The apostle Peter testified of our Lord Jesus Christ to the high priest, saying:

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12).

Matthew 1:22-23 fulfils the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14. Mary, a virgin, bore a child. That child, Jesus...was called "Immanuel" which means "God with us."

Jesus lived a perfect life. People tried to find fault in Him because He did things only God was supposed to do. (See Mark 2:5-7; John 10:31-33).

Evil men beat Jesus, then killed him the Roman way; by crucifixion and remember the 2 nails print on His hands (John 20:25).

Three days later Jesus raised His own body from the grave, just as He promised. Only God could raise His own body (See John 2:19-21; 10:17-18). Do you know this Jesus?

Lying Pharisee & charlatans pretending to be Christians....

Janosky:
Maximus69,




link to jw.org ,
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2014524
I'd like you to read thoroughly & prayerfully. (pls pay particular attention to paragraph 10).
Thank you.
Jah bless you , my fellow brother.

My brother Maximus69, no how we dey?
I hope your day dey fine..
That link to jw.of, the paragraph 10 , pls read it again, to get the sense of it.
There's no reason ( s) to refer to fellow brothers in the faith as "half baked jw".

This is a public forum,any JW who wishes to, is free to participate,
where appropriate.

However, we do not interact nor communicate with apostates, whether online or offline, in accord with the biblical principle of Numbers16:1-3,20-27,31-35. 1Cor5:1-13.

Jahbless.

Janosky:
Johnw lying Pharisee ,the most talented LIAR on NL & Uncrowned Nobel Laureate for Falsehood, dey open him Trinity eyes & false hooded mouth dey lie & change the decree of Yahweh in Pro8:22,27 & Jesus' confessional statement in John 5;26 "The Father Jehovah granted life to Jesus & every other living being .

** At least, make you fear Yahweh nau, abi you done forget "don't add & don't subtract" decree of Yahweh in Pro30:6 & Rev22:18,19?

*** Who did Jehovah " created at the beginning of his creation from before all of his works" ?
Who is the created being that was there when Jehovah " established the heavens"?

*** @Rev 3:14, who calls himself "the beginning of the creation by God"?

***@ Rev3:21 , who said " I conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne"?
Where did he make the above statement ,in heaven or earth?

** Spiritual fraudster & lying Pharisee Johnw47, what's the meaning of 'beget'? how did the "Father beget Son"?

The exposure of your Trinity scam dey pain you like hot chili pepper rubbed into a fresh wound sotay you dey vex like wounded lion, just like your father the" roaring lion" seeking to devour gullible people with satanic doctrines.
In heaven, Jesus is still the Son of Jehovah God. , he called "my Father" ( Rev 3:14 ,21.) & Jehovah is still the Head of Jesus in heaven when Paul wrote 1 Cor11:3.
Your Trinity scam is safe in the rubbish dump.
"Blessed be Jehovah, the God and FATHER of our lord Jesus Christ."
Eph 1:3.

OLAADEGBU:
3. The Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus manifested different physical forms in order to convince the disciples that He had been raised.
This is faulty for several reasons. First, it would mean that Jesus was tricking His disciples into believing that His body had been raised when it hadn't. Second, it disregards the clear teaching of Jesus Himself who said His very body would be raised. He said in John 2:19-21, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." 20Then the Jews said, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?" 21But He was speaking of the temple of His body." Jesus said that His body would be raised. The Jehovah's Witnesses clearly deny Jesus' very words. Fourth, 1 Tim. 2:5 says, "For there is one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus." Jesus is said to be a man--in present-tense language. If He was not raised physically, then how could he be a man? He could not be.

You are not being truthful to say the very least.
U dey sabi misquote scriptures well well.

** Show us scripture where Jesus said " I have raised up myself", you no fit prove am.

*** As at this very hour we are on NL 23:38 hours (WAT), is Jesus Christ still a man ?
How many times you done see am this year?
Which city he dey live?

OLAADEGBU:
2. The Bible says that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 15:44-50). Therefore, Jesus' physical body could not be raised lest it contradict this verse.

What the Jehovah's Witnesses miss is that after His resurrection Jesus said, "Touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have," (Luke 24:39). You must note that Jesus did not say, "flesh and blood." He said, "flesh and bones." This is because Jesus' blood was shed on the cross. The life is in the blood, and it is the blood that cleanses from sin: "For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul," (Lev. 17:11). See also, Gen. 9:4; Deut. 12:23; and John 6:53-54. Jesus was pointing out that He was different. He had a body but not a body of flesh and blood. It was flesh and bones.

A body of .... flesh and bones.
419 Christian.
PhD in lyinglogy.
Lol

OLAADEGBU:
We will have to come to an agreement what terms of reference we are going to use to answer questions, the Bible or the Watchtower magazine?

Lying Pharisee, the watchtower wrote Acts5:30, Gal3:13 & Deu21:22,23 . Ezra6:11. Esth7:9,10 in your copy of the holy Bible.
Lol

Hairyrapunzel:
Is it the Jews or romans that executed jesus Christ?

Ezra 6:11, is king Darius a Jew?
Esther 7:9,10 is king Xerxes a Jew?
The practice was similar, a stake an upright pole was the instrument deployed for Jesus impalement.
Else, Paul would not link Gal 3:13 to Deu21:22,23.

OLAADEGBU:
How many nails went into Jesus' hands?

Hanging on to straw..

Give us the number of nails used ,since you know am nau....

OLAADEGBU:
Between the Bible and the Watchtower magazine, which one do you trust your eternal destiny to?

U are slyly dodging the point. The watchtower has strongly emphasized the biblical proof that Jesus was impaled on a stake , an upright pole (Greek stauros Acts5:30, Paul referenced it in Gal3:13, he lifted from Deu21:22,23, ) , u are here defending the cross, a pagan symbol u have claimed that u don't "venerate".
U have not answered the Jamb question posed to you:
Is the statement written by Pontius Pilate, the actual instrument used for the impalement of our lord Jesus Christ?

OLAADEGBU:
Remember that our modus operandi will be the inspired holy scriptures, nothing else. The statement of eyewitnesses said that the sign was placed 'over His head.' The language and context are clear enough for the unbiased mind to understand. We understand the language when the Jews said 'let His blood be upon us' we do not need to read other meanings into the plain language of the Bible, it is not complicated when we read it with an open mind.

Straw man argument.
The stuff wey Pontius Pilate write, na that one be the instrument wey them use hang Jesus?
Na wa ooo!

Maximus69:
Well upon his head or above his head meant the same thing to those Jews, and since some translation of the holy scripture rendered it cross and some rendered it stake, there is no other way to resolve it than going back to secular history of the so called executioner 'Roman Empire'!
If two foreigners read something pertaining to the tribes in the western part of nigeria but they both had different perspectives regarding what was read,the best thing to do is to cross check from the historical background of this tribe that's the best way i think it could be resolved Sir!

Gbam !
5 star salute to you, my bro.
No mind the Pharisee wey say he no dey "venerate cross" but he dey defend cross whereas the Bible's stauros is simply an upright pole, a stake (the type used for public execution of convicted armed robbers like Anini & his gang) with out any cross beam attached.

***Whatever Pilate wrote ,is not the instrument for the impalement of Jesus Christ.

The point is that before Jesus came, the Jews had always hanged criminals on a stake, simply an upright pole , with out a beam. (Josh8:29. Esth 7:9,10.Ezra6:11.).
The same practice was evident in Jesus' case (Acts 5:30) , as a result,in Gal3:13, Paul quoted Deu21:22 ,23.

OLAADEGBU:
1. They use 1 Pet. 3:18 where it says that Christ was "put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit" as an attempt to show that Jesus was not raised physically but as a kind of spirit creature.

Their use of the scripture to support their position is incorrect because this verse does not say that He was raised a spirit creature. It says that He was "made alive in the spirit." What does that mean? Quite simply, it means that Jesus was raised in an imperishable body. This is what 1 Cor. 15:35-45 says when it refers to the body as being sown perishable, but raised imperishable; sown in dishonour and raised in glory; sown a natural body and raised a spiritual body, etc. Jesus was the "Last Adam" - a life-giving spirit. Paul is typifying the resurrection body. In this passage Paul is talking about the resurrection of all people. All Christians will be raised in physical bodies. It is said the same of Jesus.

https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-resurrection-jesus

You see the truth "Jesus was the last Adam- a life giving spirit" ,an imperishable body.
Christ sacrificed his fleshly , perishable body.
(*Quickened > made alive, to vitalize)
But you dey change am & dodge am because it a bitter pill for you to accept.

** 1 Pet3:18, let's cross check...
"Christ died for sins once for all... He was put to death in the body but made alive in the spirit" NIV

**** "He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the spirit". NLT

** "After being put to death in the fleshly realm but made alive in the spiritual realm". HCSB.
Jesus was raised up ,made alive in the spiritual realm as a spirit being.

*** U deliberately refused to explain Hebrews10:10. 9:26,28. 7:27. Eph5;2. John 6:51 , these other sucker punch that blows your. claims to shreds.

* * Hebrews10:10
" the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" NET Bible.

##"the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all time" NLT


**"** the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all". NIV.

"******# The offering of the body of Yeshua the Messiah, once".
#Aramaic Bible.


" I am the living bread... this bread which I give for the life of the world, is my flesh" John 6:51.


The animal sacrifices the Israelites made for atonement of sins was never taken back.

Jesus sacrificed his perfect body, an offering as atonement for our sins "once for all", he NEVER took back his body/ flesh.

OLAADEGBU, How many times have you demanded for refund of the offering or financial sacrifices you made in your Deeper Life church?

Yet you expected Jesus to take back his perfect body he sacrificed as eternal offering for our sins !

JWs are on point...

Maximus69:
Hi Janosky, i'm also a Bible student humbly learning from grabbing the skirt of the spiritual Jews.
I've noticed how many so called JWs have argued tirelessly on threads like this,but to be candid does the argument really worth it?
During my study with a Bible study conductor who happens to be an elder and RP i asked him questions based on so many topic of debates on NL,he discovered most my questions aren't coming from the materials we're using as Bible study aids. So he asked tactfully 'where are these questions coming from?'
I told him everything i've been seeing on NL,then he said something shocking 'the GB has STRICTLY warned all JWs to desist from on going arguments on social media'
This really shocked me so i asked him 'what about those brothers and sisters getting involved in such?' then he said most of you are either half baked JWs or interested persons like me.
So i decided to participate in the debates but not to argue with anyone. Please are you also an interested person? Because he said the order to desist from on going arguments on social media is direct from the GB!

Maximus69, thank you for your candid observation.
** Of a truth, JWs on this forum has has presented a great witness to members of the public whom we may not be opportune to meet during our door to door ministry or street witnessing.
Some one some where out there would definitely read our posts & this could kindle their interest to learn more & eventually come to an accurate knowledge of the truth....
Never say never, my brother....

** Online forums have both positive & negative aspects to it.
However, we use the world but not to the full,not being too engrossed in it (1 cor 7:31).
Self discipline is our virtue...


JWs on this forum are NOT "half baked",we are well grounded in the truth of Jehovah's word & speaking for myself & hopefully for others, in good standing in Jehovah's service & the Christian congregation.
To clarify this matter you raised, I would later share a link to jw.org ,
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2014524
I'd like you to read thoroughly & prayerfully. (pls pay particular attention to paragraph 10).
Thank you.
Jah bless you , my fellow brother.

johnw47:
lying pharisee deceiver Janosky/oneJ
Jesus created everything in heaven and in earth, so He clearly didn't create Himself, stupidity brain:

Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 

Jesus is before all things, so He of course is before the angels, oh false teacher and twister of God's word Janosky/OneJ:

Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.



Jesus is before all things, He created the angels and all things that were created

and you lying false jw's say the Word Jesus was created and is a angel and is a god

Crooked spiritual fraudster, "the Head of Christ is God" 1Cor11:3.

Mumu Pharisee, Jesus said "the scriptures can not be broken... I am God's son" John 10:34-36.

Why did you omit Col1:13-15 , ("The Father... transferred us into the kingdom of the Son of His love.... (who is ) the exact likeness of the unseen God. He is the first born of ALL creation" (( in other words, "Lord Jehovah created me", ( his son Jesus) at the beginning of his creation and from before ALL of his works",Prov 8:22 ))
those verses DESTROYED your twisted ,WAYO interpretation of Col1:16,17.

**** Again, 1Cor 15:24-27 further DESTROYED your twisted ,WAYO interpretation of Col1:16,17.

"vs16.... All things were created and exist THROUGH him ((Greek "Dia autou " is also the same exact word in John 1:3)). It rhymes with Pro8;27, " I was there when HE Jehovah established the heavens...
v30"Then I was the craftsman at his side"

*** "By him" is a cheap FRAUD to distort the scriptures.

** Spiritual fraudster dey twist & import wayo ideas & fake interpretation into the holy Bible.

*** Prov30:6 & Rev 22:18,19 still dey ring alarm to you.

** Like I told you before, coming to a JW thread was your gross error.
Your Trinity scam done scatter & fall yakata..

*** Last last, come and twist & dey misquote John 8:44.

Maximus69:
Please Olaadegbu, anybody who wants to know the truth can check the real meaning of 'Stauros' which means a straight pole,plank or stake.
The traditional 'Cross' was deliberately used as a translation of 'Stauros' to support the worship of the Cross which was an ancient deity on it's own!

Gbam !
Very true & correct. kudos to you.

JWs never taught that "the material body of Jesus was taken away by God the Father"


** Distortion of facts.

I dey wait for your answer to the Jamb questions.. in my previous post.


Give proof that Jesus resurrected himself, "I WILL raise it up" is the same as saying " I will travel abroad"
But both spoken actions are futuristic terms , until it comes to pass( be fulfilled).
Christ was still alive when he said "I will raise it up..."
Where's your proof that he actually raised himself from the dead?