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brocab:
They don't have to admit it, Satan's throne is in the Watchtower, claiming Janosky and he, are brothers..

Junk post of brocab lying Pharisee

johnw47:
tormented paranoid lying pharisee deceiver confused know nothing false jw janosky/OneJ

by a christian

You ,Johnw Pharisee was born with satanic talent for lies and falsehood
Psalms 45:1-17 was addressed to king David.
Specifically in verse7, "...that is why God, your God has anointed you more than your peers...."
****Mr lying Pharisee, who is the God that anointed Jehovah?
What is the name of the God that Jehovah is worshipping?

*** in verse 16, "Your sons will take the place of your fathers .."
Mr lying Pharisee, what's the name of Jehovah's fathers?

**** Johnw spiritual fraudster copying junk "by a Christian" , another byword for his lying Pharisee partners.
"tormented paranoid lying Pharisee deceiver confused know nothing false johnw spiritual fraudster.

alBHAGDADI:
Don't waste much of your time on that false witness trying to make people see how 'glorious' Jehovah's False Witnesses are because they go door to door. The guy doesn't seem to know that others do same and even way more than them. Tell him and his JW to go knock on doors in Saudi just as rugged Christians are doing, you will see the silly excuse he will give. But the guy loved to pride on the fact they they go knock on doors of people who are already Christians and aware of the Gospel. Their aim is to corrupt them and make them start to believe Jesus was an angel and not God.

Ask him where jw we're when people spread the gospel to South America, Africa, Australia etc.

Yeah, it is good to do face to face soulwinning but it is also good to make use of technology especially when it is faster and can help you reach a brother in another state with the gospel.

It is not even soulwinning Jehovah's False Witnesses do. What they do is confuse you and tell you to believe that Jesus was created, not God and was an angel. When they meet a strong Christian, they run away. It is baby Christians they love to deceive.

Ask him, what's the difference between their watchtower and Awake magazines and social media? Aren't they both mass media?

Bloody hypocrites.


Tell him to read the thread below

https://www.nairaland.com/4340352/examining-talk-jehovahs-witnesses-only

Stop being stupid.
Envy no go let una see road.
This year alone how many doors in your neighborhood have you knocked on to preach the good news?
Everywhere on earth JWs are renown for preaching the good news of God's kingdom. Mark1:14,15. Matt24:14.

Why ee dey pain you?

Jesus said he worships Jehovah "his Father and his God in heaven" Rev 3:12,21. Jesus is still God's son in heaven.
No mumu theory or man made scam can twist the truth.

Your small "God" dey call the Biggest God "my Father and my God". John 20:17.

** The expression in John 1:14 ,"begotten of the Father" has exposed the idiocy of your mumu scam .

johnw47:
of course i copy and paste some articles, what does "by a christian" mean?
it means someone else wrote them, ha ha, and i don't give their name
so as you cannot falsely accuse them as you do me and other christians who expose your lies

ha ha talk about being duh, you sure are, you understand nothing

Oturugbeke !!!!!!
You only succeeded to show case your talent for falsehood.


So, "By a Christian" , is the name of the original source of all the junk you have plagiarised on Nairaland .
Is that how you passed through the Ivory Tower ? So every original source you consulted , you merely write "by a lecturer" or "by the HOD" as your reference notes?
Kai !!!!!
This lying Johnw Pharisee him way no straight.

brocab:
We must be twins..

Yes na, partners with special talent for lies and falsehood.
Lol

johnw47:
“Before Abraham was born, I AM"

In Greek, "ego eimi" means, "I AM."

In John 8:58, Jesus said, “Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.” He was clearly
claiming that He existed before Abraham because He is God. This is why the Jehovah's Witness New
World Translation mistranslates ego eimi in John 8:58. The correct translation is "before Abraham was
born, I AM (ego eimi)." The NWT purposely mistranslates it to "I have been"

To be consistent, the New World Translation should have translated "ego eimi" as "I have been" in all
other places where it appears. As you read the verses below, notice that the New World Translation
translates ego eimi as “I AM” in every verse except John 8:58.

John 8:24-"For if you do not believe that I AM (ego eimi) he ('he' is added by NWT but isn't in the Greek
manuscripts), you will die in your sins."


John 18:5-"He said to them, I AM (ego eimi) he." (The last “he” is added by NWT but isn't in the Greek
manuscripts).
John 8:58-"Before Abraham came into existence, I have been (ego eimi)."

Greek 'ego eimi' or "i am", the meaning is "I existed".
Ego eimi was NEVER a name of anyone at anytime. FACT!
"He (Jesus) was clearly claiming that he existed before Abraham"
FULL STOP!!

You be crooked fellow, why you no write " He was clearly claiming that he I AM before Abraham"

Crooked, spiritual fraudster, what is the meaning/definition of "I have been"?

Lying Johnw Pharisee, John8:1-58 Jesus NEVER lied that he is God, he ONLY said he existed before Abraham.

You are just being stupid, there is not one verse in the entire holy Bible where every Bible translation used exactly the same sentence.

*** Lying Johnw , John8:24 "I am he", is the same in king James
Bible, NWT, NET Bible, American king James Bible, Douay-Rheims , World English Bible,ASV etc.

***** John18:5 "I am he" is the same in AKJV, NIV,King James Bible, NET Bible, Douay-Rheims,
New Living Translat'n , NWT, English Standard Bible,Good News Transl'n. Webster's Bible etc.

You sabi lie pass Satan. Copy copy thief copying junk from a coded "christian" pharisee .
Kai !!!!!
Lol

johnw47:
by a christian

“Before Abraham was born, I AM"


In Greek, "ego eimi" means, "I AM." When Moses asked God His name, He said, "'I AM who I AM'; and
He said, 'Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.'" (Ex. 3:14)

Jesus continually called Himself "I AM" (ego eimi) throughout His ministry, which pointed to His deity. In

John 8:58, Jesus said, “Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.” He was clearly

claiming that He existed before Abraham because He is God. This is why the Jehovah's Witness New
World Translation mistranslates ego eimi in John 8:58. The correct translation is "before Abraham was
born, I AM (ego eimi)." The NWT purposely mistranslates it to "I have been" because they don't want
Jehovah's Witnesses to see Jesus' claim of deity.

To be consistent, the New World Translation should have translated "ego eimi" as "I have been" in all
other places where it appears. As you read the verses below, notice that the New World Translation
translates ego eimi as “I AM” in every verse except John 8:58.

John 6:48-"I AM (ego eimi) the bread of life."
John 6:51-"I AM (ego eimi) the living bread that came down from heaven…"
John 8:12-"I Am (ego eimi) the light of the world…"
John 8:24-"For if you do not believe that I AM (ego eimi) he ('he' is added by NWT but isn't in the Greek
manuscripts), you will die in your sins."
John 10:7-"I AM (ego eimi) the door of the sheep."
John 10:9-"I AM (ego eimi) the door…"
John 10:11-"I AM (ego eimi) the fine shepherd…"
John 10:14-"I AM (ego eimi) the fine shepherd…"
John 11:25-"I AM (ego eimi) the resurrection and the life."
John 14:6-"I AM (ego eimi) the way and the truth and the life."
John 15:1-"I AM (ego eimi) the true vine…"
John 18:5-"He said to them, I AM (ego eimi) he." (The last “he” is added by NWT but isn't in the Greek
manuscripts).
John 8:58-"Before Abraham came into existence, I have been (ego eimi)."

Johnw lying Pharisee displaying his talent for falsehood.

johnw47:
of course the Son is not the Father, laugh
the Son and the Father is God, john 1:1

and of course the Son and the Father is Jehovah the Supreme being
two persons one God, john 1:1,

the Son and the Father is not two god's as you false jw's believe
a almighty god the father and a mighty god the son, laughing




isa 45:22 Jehovah is the Saviour, no one else
acts 4:12 Jesus is the Saviour, no one else
= Jehovah is Jesus

Janosky:
U have already admitted Jesus is NOT his Father Jehovah God the Supreme Being that Jesus called
"the only true God" John 17:3.

Pharisee misquoting Isa45:22 , the content & context of Isaiah 45 has nothing to do with Jesus.

Pls Answer these questions:
** Isaiah 45:1,15 "Oh God of Israel,the Saviour"
Mr Lying Pharisee ,is Jesus the God of Israel?
Acts 3:13 who is the servant of the God of Israel?

Lie lie Pharisee ,"Jehovah Jesus is saviour God" misquoting Acts4:12 , wetin your Bible tell you for John 3:16 and, 1John4:14?

Answer these questions wey you dey dodge..
It is common knowledge that John 1:1 means Jesus was the nature, quality or essence of God, he is not the God ,his Father.
You are a disgrace to Bible scholarship.
Matt Slick you have been plagiarising up and down already knows that the word was God in essence & quality.,not in person.

Paranoid, johnw lying pharisee deceiving himself.
Your buffoonery is indeed fantastic.
Your talent for falsehood is unique.
Man is a mighty God. Ps82:1,6
Jehovah is Deu10:17
Jesus is ,Isaiah 9:6.
Shame on you !

johnw47:
see how you cannot stop lying
you lie and say your witchpower magazine quotes have been changed, look them up for yourself

You merely copy and paste the poo you plagiarised from online sites whom you would never give them credit for what you stole from them.
Copy copy thief thief showcasing his talent.

soulpeppersoup:
I asked you,

What do you make of this NIV verse 19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. John 5:19.

Before we go back to John 13:13.

"The son can do nothing by himself" meaning he was God's messenger sent from heaven to carry out his Father's ( Jehovah's) assignment.

"He can only do what he sees his Father doing" ,meaning Jesus was in constant touch with his Father who transmits info,commands to him (Jesus).
Whatever the Father does, the son also does", meaning Jesus copies from his Father and works in agreement with his Father.
Jesus repeats this fact in Jn5:30.
In a nutshell, Jesus says he is inferior to his God and Father (John 20:17).

johnw47:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Your bolded " And the Word was God" ,the Greeks says the Word was the nature,quality of God (a god,divine),not the only true God. Full stop.
*** Yoruba Olaniyi does NOT equate with Olaniyi in Igbo even though na the same spelling.
John1:14 "begotten of the Father" ,its meaning confirmed that your wacky, pathetic interpretation in English dey deceive and confuse you .
** Brain scrubbed Pharisee, you no be your Papa wey born you, Jesus no be the God wey born am wey him dey call my Papa ('my Father' and my God for heaven (Rev3:12,21) and for earth ( John20:17)

johnw47:
Jesus is "a god'

Jehovah Jesus is Saviour God:

concerning Jehovah
Isa 45:22  Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 

concerning Jesus
Act_4:12  Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

U have already admitted Jesus is NOT his Father Jehovah God the Supreme Being that Jesus called
"the only true God" John 17:3.

Pharisee misquoting Isa45:22 , the content & context of Isaiah 45 has nothing to do with Jesus.

Pls Answer these questions:
** Isaiah 45:1,15 "Oh God of Israel,the Saviour"
Mr Lying Pharisee ,is Jesus the God of Israel?
Acts 3:13 who is the servant of the God of Israel?

Lie lie Pharisee ,"Jehovah Jesus is saviour God" misquoting Acts4:12 , wetin your Bible tell you for John 3:16 and, 1John4:14?

johnw47:
~

1913 "Some have a strong desire to worship God, others have a weak desire, and others
have no desire at all. The difference is due to the shape of the brain." (Watchtower
3/15/13, p.84).

Kikikikikiki....

Proof that johnw Pharisee possess unique talent for falsehood.
All your post for this thread naso u dey lie.

That your fictional content is not in any watchtower article let alone other fictitious content that you and Pharisee gang dey paste online.

johnw47:
you think brocab and i are the same user, ha ha

paranoia

I throway "popcorn" and johnw lying Pharisee with him fellow Pharisee brocab rush come swallow am they suffer over sabi paranoia sottay dem release mess of misquoted and twisted scriptures.
They falsely claimed Jesus is God incarnate because he had the nature of God..
These lying Pharisees possess the nature of their biological parents ( which they pass on to their own children,)but they will fight anyone who claims Johnw/brocab is the biological parent's incarnate.
Them no get any shame to lie that Jesus is God incarnate.
That's how foolish they have become.

brocab:
Just as we read the scriptures, the early believers were essentially in house Churches-Jesus said: when two or three are gathered in His name, He is in the mist of them.
How many do you need to fill up a Kingdom hall building, before you realise what really matters exist, when just two or three are gathered in Jesus Name, He is standing in our mist?

{Matthew 6:6} But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
So "Yes" is the answer-we can share time with ourselves and with the invisible God alone..Try it sometime..

if you like call am 'in house church' ,(although not true), the point is non denominational (one man riot squad) was not the norm for first century Christians.
They studied God's word together in private homes.
Jesus praying alone (Luke 5:16. 9:18) did not mean that he was non denominational (one man riot squad). You are twisting Matt 6:6.

JMAN05:
Over 20 million persons last year attended and witnessed the Memorial of our Lord Jesus Christ last year. This year won't passby without this special ocassion commanded by Christ for his disciples to observe.

You are cordially invited to head for any KINGDOM HALL OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES near you by around 6pm, on Friday, 19th April, 2019..

You will get to learn a lot that day!

For more: https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/memorial/

Yes ooo.
All roads leads to the Kingdom Halls worldwide on 19th April 2019 after sundown.
Glory be to Jehovah our God as we commemorate and appreciate Jesus ransom sacrifice.

brocab:
Non denominational Christians such as myself are usually the ones who love God and find themselves outside of a traditional church-if we were to study the scriptures-we would find "Jesus always teaches Kingdom, "not building.
The Gospel is all about the Kingdom of God-it is Jesus’ central teaching, this kingdom He speaks about is not a where but a when.
It is the state of the world when people acknowledge God; when God is honored and worshipped and respected—the Kingdom is present.



That would be the model throughout the New Testament: Gather. Eat. Share. Remember me. Live.''
The early believers were essentially in-house churches, where immediate family, extended family and friends were already living in deep, meaningful community together.

Johnw "early believers were essentially in-house Churches" have totally knocked off your "nondenominational" crap.
How can one person gather and share with himself?

** Even Jesus emphasized that his followers MUST convene and fellowship together "where two or three are gathered in my name.."
No be one man affair.

###* first century Christians were NOT just "in-house churches" ,they were more than that.
Rom16:3,5" Greet Aquila and Priscilla my fellow workers in Christ... Greet also the church that meets at their house"
From all parts of the city and it's environ, believers came to fellowship together at the house of Aquila and Priscilla.
Similar practice elsewhere,Col4:5, 1Cor16:19.
They were well organized and led by the Apostles and Elders (guided by holy spirit) in Jerusalem
Acts 15:1-34.
No be one man affair.

Johnw lying Pharisee doesn't know what God's kingdom is or what God's kingdom stands for...
Dan2:44. 7:13,14. Matt 6:9,10. 2Pet3:13. Rev21:1-5

Half baked is more dangerous than ignorance.
Non denominational Pharisee... ekushe oooo

johnw47:
The First and the Last
by a christian

The following scriptures are quoted from The New World Translation.

1. "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says Jehovah God, "the One who is and who was and who
is coming, the Almighty." (Rev. 1:8]

Question: Who is the “Alpha and Omega” that is speaking?
Answer: Jehovah God.

2. "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." (Rev.
22:13)

Question: Who is the “first and the last” that is speaking?
Answer: Jehovah God. Jehovah is the Alpha and Omega and the first and the last (see Isaiah
44:6).

3. And he laid his right hand upon me and said: "Do not be fearful. I am the First and the Last,
and the living one; and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the
keys of death and of Hades." (Rev. 1:18)

Question: Who is the “First and the Last” that is speaking?
Answer: Jehovah is the First and the Last, who became dead and is now the living one. This is
Jesus speaking.

Johnw Lying Pharisee and talented plagiarist ,copy copy thief thief.

** Rev 1:8 Almighty God Jehovah is the rightful Alpha & Omega.

*** Jehovah "the Father to whom every family in heaven and earth owes it's name" (Eph3:14,15),the God whom Jesus worships (Rom15:6. Acts3:13), gave his son "authority in heaven and on earth" (Mt28:18) to bear the title in Rev22:13.

**#*** Jehovah can NOT die.
My God is immortal. Ps102:24,27.
90:2. 1Tim1:17.
Misquoted Rev1:18 will not rescue your pathetic lies
Mr Liar, is Jehovah the angel with the keys of death and hell (Hades),Rev 20:1?
** Rev 22:16"I,Jesus... am the offspring of David". Mr Liar,is Jehovah the offspring of David?

** Jesus is an apostle ( Heb3:1), is Jesus one of his 12 apostles?
Brain scrubbed Pharisee,na who do you this strong thing?

Ubenedictus:
It seems u are ignorant, severus was killed by his fellow protestants in geneva under john calvin, the vatican didnt touch him.

It is easy to find the pope approval of erasmus work, google 'privilege of publication to erasmus by pope leo x'

Yes, Calvin instigated the murder of Michael Servetus.
The Vatican still had it's fair share in the brutal persecution and killing of thousands of people who disagreed with Catholic doctrines (or were wrongly accused of dissent) whom the Church labeled as "heretics".
Church and secular history contains the gory events of the Inquisition and other forms of Church brutality .

The Pope approved Erasmus work and also supported the insertion of the comma johanneum and for over 400 years staunchly opposed any voice of dissent against it's insertion until Pope Pius XI's "Divino Afflante Spiritu " in June 1927.

**** In1520, Pope Leo X decreed the Papal bull "Domine Exsurge " ,which earned Martin Luther the label 'heretic'.

#### my questions:
Erasmus published Novum Instrumentum Omne in 1522, with the Papal Bull in place in 1520,
what would be fate of Erasmus if he had declined to insert the comma johanneum?

What became the fate of individuals who expressed dissent to Catholic Church doctrines or opposed the Vatican official position in the 1500s?

soulpeppersoup:
The Textus Receptus is not just the half-dozen manuscripts of Erasmus
In any event, the fact that Erasmus had only a handful of manuscripts during his preparation of the 1516 edition is irrelevant in regards to the reliability of the text underlying the KJV. First of all, no scholar disputes the fact that Erasmus had studied variant readings of the New Testament throughout his life prior to publishing the Textus Receptus. In fact, the study of variant readings in the Greek New Testament did not begin with Erasmus but with scholars such as Thomas Linacre (1460-1524) and John Colet (1467-1519), and even as far back as Jerome (347-420). Although Erasmus spent only two years in front of a handful of Greek manuscripts to compose his first edition, his knowledge concerning the Greek New Testament and its variants did not come solely from looking at these few manuscripts in the two year period. Secondly, the KJV was completed in 1611 – almost a century after Erasmus composed his first edition of the Textus Receptus in 1516. The KJV translators most likely used the 1598 edition of Beza. At least three-quarters of a century of scholarship had gone into the Textus Receptus by the time of the KJV. Erasmus updated his Textus Receptus in 1519, 1522, and 1527. Stephanus also edited the Textus Receptus in 1546, 1549, 1550, and 1551. Beza edited the Textus Receptus nine times between 1565 and 1604.

Critics are quick to point out that Erasmus back-translated the last six verses of Revelation for his 1516 edition. But despite this charge, we see that Erasmus included a reading in Revelation 22:20 that exists in the Greek and not in any edition of the Vulgate (i.e. "αμην ναι ερχου (Amen. Even so, come)” instead of “amen veni (Amen. Come)". This is one evidence that Erasmus was not confined to the readings contained in the few manuscripts placed before him during his editing of the 1516 edition. At the very least, Erasmus consulted notes such as the annotations of Laurentius Valla. The charge with respect to Erasmus' treatment of Revelation 22:16-21 is dealt with in on the website. The analysis shows that the only translatable differences between the Textus Receptus and other extant Greek manuscripts are two small words: καὶ and γὰρ.

As for the alleged "countless hundreds of printing errors" in Erasmus' first edition, these were corrected in later editions of the Textus Receptus by Erasmus himself and others, and never made their way into the KJV.

KJV translators knew of alternate readings
The KJV translators were not ignorant of the body of manuscripts and variant readings. The 1611 KJV has marginal notes next to the following verses showing alternate readings:

Matthew 1:11, Matthew 26:26, Luke 10:22, Luke 17:36, John 18:13, Acts 25:6, Ephesians 6:9, James 2:18, 1 Peter 2:21, Peter 2:2, 11, 18, 2 John 8.

This shows that the KJV translators were not translating in a Textus Receptus vacuum. There were other manuscripts available to the KJV translators, and yet they used the Textus Receptus.

You just learn things without knowing what they mean.

Your supposed textus receptus doesn't make the ending part of that verse void.

What makes NIV a better translation if I may ask?

https://wol.jw.org/in/wol/d/r1/Ip-e/1200002893

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/bible-study/appendix-a/divine-name-christian-greek-scriptures

***"Westcott& Hort vs Textus Receptus:Which is Superior?
by Douglas Kutilek"
bible-researcher.com/kutilek1.html

soulpeppersoup:
I just downloaded NIV now. There is a window beside John 3:13, if you click the window it says, "some manuscript man, who is in heaven."

That means they didn't out rightly reject that phrase. "Man, who is in heaven."

Now what do you make of this NIV verse 19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. John 5:19.

Do you mean the Father was on earth doing the things Jesus was seeing and copying?

I know that a lot of Christian like defending anything that threaten their beliefs to the extent of removing a part of the Bible. Yet those issues can be resolved if they truly know what they mean.

"Who is in heaven" ,this portion is a disputed text because reading from John 13 v1to13,where Jesus spoke one on one with Nicodemus ,that disputed portion is totally out of sync with v1-13.
*** The rendition of Weymouth New Testament ( WNT)sort of resolved the matter very well.
" There is no one who has gone up to heaven but there is one who came down from heaven, namely the son of man whose home is in heaven" John3:13. compare John 8:23

WNT is not saying that Jesus spoke the words in heaven but that his original abode was heaven.

We understand John5:19 in the context of John 12:49,50. 6:38.
God bless.

soulpeppersoup:
The bible translation I gave is king james version. So now king James and NIV Which is the authentic version?

How do we know NIV has no error but others has error?

Na holy spirit translate NIV?

Pls Google "Textus Receptus Bibles" or 'Textus Receptus'.
You will be informed...

ChristianNorth:
It is a mystery. It doesn't mean the doctrine doesn't have basic tenets.

Three different persons yet they are one and co-internal. This means the Father is the same as the Son, he is the same as the Spirit while Jesus is the same as the Holy Spirit.

For instance, Isaiah called Jesus the eternal father, Jesus said, I and my father are one. 1 Cor 3:17 says "Now the Lord (Jehova) is that Spirit and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

In fact there are over 15 verses that prove Jehovah is the same as the Holy Spirit.

Jesus said in John 14 "I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you again" He is Holy Spirit.

In the Gospel of John 13:20, Jesus tells his disciples that “whoever receives the Holy Spirit receives Jesus and whoever receives Jesus receives God who sent him in their hearts”.

Despite this co-internality, they are different persons and they are not equals. This is the mystery.

Even children sef dey for the co-internality (Luke9:48)

Plus Jesus disciples kpakpa,all of them dey the co-internality. Luke 10:16
Lol.

but wait ooo!
John 13:20" I tell you the truth, whoever accepts anyone I send accepts me ; and whoever accepts me accepts the one who sent me"
John 13:20

Since, according to you ,father and Jesus is one.
Then, a man & harlot is one just as a believer and Jesus is one
1cor6:16,17.
Man and wife is one (Mal2:15. Matt19:5 ,6).

Your twisted "Father and Jesus is one" misinterpretation is faulty.

The oneness of Jesus and believer is the same oneness of man and wife ;Father and Jesus ,harlot and a man.

ChristianNorth:
Because of the following portions in the Bible.

1. Jesus is the first born of all creations and through him everything that was made was made. This shows that Jesus was created.

2. And He gave him (Jesus) all the powers and authority in Heaven. This shows Jesus derives his powers from a superior power.

3. Father if you will, let this cup pass over me. This shows that there is a will that supercedes that of Jesus.

4. My father judges no one, but has committed all judgments to the son. Of course, a father is a greater than the son.

5. I do the will of Him that sent me. Jesus takes order and he is responsible to that supreme one.

There are over a 100 verse that shows the supremacy of Jehovah.

ChristianNorth:
There is no single christian organisation that recognises Jesus as the supreme god.

You guys understanding of trinity is wacked and the way you people depicts it graphically is so stupid.

Trinity is the union of the father, son and Holy spirit as one. This means there is one God who exists in 3 dimensions. They are the same and yet separate.


Keep interpreting the Bible to suit your warped ideologies, the truth remains that Jesus is a God.

You guys believe that everything that was made was made by Jesus, that Jehovah created only Jesus, the first born of all creations.

Yeah, you are right because the Bible said so.

The same Bible said, in the beginning God created Heaven and Earth.

If you believe that God created everything and that everything that was made was made through Jesus, then simple logic says he is a God.

Jesus is A God not God.

ChristianNot agrees that JWs "are right because the Bible said so.... Jehovah created only Jesus, the first born of all creations.... Jesus is a God, not God"


Your speaking from both sides of your mouth already exposes the fallacy of your Trinity scam.
"Jehovah is Supreme God,Jesus is not. But Jesus is a God,not God.. they are the same.

"Mystery of the Trinity
1+1+1=Nonsense"
Source: BBC online.


Christian Not ,sense not not...

ChristianNorth:
The tenet of trinity is very simple for all to understand: Union of the father, son and holy spirit as one God. In a nutshell, it means the father is a God, the son a God and the Holy Spirit a God also.

I have never seen any trinitarian that believe what you just narrated.

LIEs from Christian Not.

Trinitarians believed that their doctrine is difficult to understand

soulpeppersoup:
Oga you didn't finish the John 3:13 you quoted. This is the full quotation.

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (John 3:13).

It says, the son of man who made this quote was in heaven when he was making the quote. Yet the same son of man wasn't talking to angels in heaven but the Jews on earth.

The issue here isn't if Elijah and Enoch are in heaven but that they never died.

This was brought to prove to you that the sin of Adam didn't make all men sinners who by it according to your argument are subject to death because of the sin of Adam.

The time God took these men, Jesus hasn't come so if the sin of Adam was passed to all men. There was no way they could have escaped death since sin brought death.

My argument is that Adam brought sin into the world and not into man. AND sin in the world brought death into the world and not into man.

Sin is an outside influence not an inner influence. Sin doesn't exist in man it exist outside man. It's man that takes it into himself.

This submission of mine makes the theory of original sin or Adamic nature (sin) non and void.

soulpeppersoup:
The issue is you understand the word of God. Don't go beyond your level of understanding in anything.

budaatum:
They believe because understanding is beyond them!

@Soulpeppersoup: When you read a Bible translation from the (TR) textus receptus manuscript renowned for it's numerous errors,your "acquired wisdom" is bliss.

"No one has gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven - the son of man"
John 3:13 (NIV)

soulpeppersoup:
Oga you didn't finish the John 3:13 you quoted. This is the full quotation.

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (John 3:13).

It says, the son of man who made this quote was in heaven when he was making the quote. Yet the same son of man wasn't talking to angels in heaven but the Jews on earth.

The issue here isn't if Elijah and Enoch are in heaven but that they never died.

This was brought to prove to you that the sin of Adam didn't make all men sinners who by it according to your argument are subject to death because of the sin of Adam.

The time God took these men, Jesus hasn't come so if the sin of Adam was passed to all men. There was no way they could have escaped death since sin brought death.

My argument is that Adam brought sin into the world and not into man. AND sin in the world brought death into the world and not into man.

Sin is an outside influence not an inner influence. Sin doesn't exist in man it exist outside man. It's man that takes it into himself.

This submission of mine makes the theory of original sin or Adamic nature (sin) non and void.

It's crystal clear you don't believe and love the truth of God's word wey you done see am and read am korokoro.
OK na, stay your lane jejely.
Peace

Barristter07:

Are you so uninformed and ignorant not to know EL GIBBOA was applied to humans ?

No mind that emusan half baked lying Pharisee.
The man dey argue blindly always.

ChristianNorth:
There is no single christian organisation that recognises Jesus as the supreme god.

You guys understanding of trinity is wacked and the way you people depicts it graphically is so stupid.

Trinity is the union of the father, son and Holy spirit as one. This means there is one God who exists in 3 dimensions. They are the same and yet separate.


If he is given the title mighty God, then he is a God. It is as simple as that.

Keep interpreting the Bible to suit your warped ideologies, the truth remains that Jesus is a God.

You guys believe that everything that was made was made by Jesus, that Jehovah created only Jesus, the first born of all creations.

Yeah, you are right because the Bible said so.

The same Bible said, in the beginning God created Heaven and Earth.

If you believe that God created everything and that everything that was made was made through Jesus, then simple logic says he is a God.

Jesus is A God not God.

ChristianNorth:
In Matthew 13:41, Jesus said that he would sent forth HIS angels.

This is not possible if he is not a God.

In Mark 2: 5-11 Jesus clearly demonstrated his power to forgive sins. Can you explain how he got that authority?

In John 14:13, Jesus asked us to pray in his name and he would do it. Not his father would it.

In 1 Cor 1:24 Jesus is called the power of God.

How do you explain all these?

In your New World Translation, Colossian 2:9 states
"because it is in him that ALL the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily."

My emphasis is on the "ALL the fullness of divine quality" can you explain what that means?

Titus 2:13 "looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,"

How do you explain this away?

This one is from Peter (2 Pet 1:1) "Simon Peter, a bond-servant and bapostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

I am waiting for your explanations.

You shot yourself in the foot with these your posts ,the first one dey North pole and the 2nd one stand jelely for South pole.
"Jesus is a God,not God"
U come dey misquote Bible verses wey U no know their meaning.
Christian Not is very confused. He
is on NL transmitting his confusion.
Matt13:41. Mark2:5-11. John14:13
"Jesus spoke to them: ALL authority has been given me in heaven and on earth" by Jehovah. Matt28:18.
Jehovah the Father of Jesus granted life and authority to his son .John 5:26,27.
Jesus always perform his Father's command ( John 12:49)
Jesus is a deity and saviour,it's no proof he is the Supreme God. Col2:9 simply confirmed that Jesus has qualities of a deity (divine nature).
John 3:16 is valid.
**"We have seen and do testify that the Father sent the son to be Saviour of the world" 1john4:14
U dey misquote 2 Pet1:1&
Titus2:13 whereas Titus3:4-6 has annulled your wacky twist of Scripture.
The scriptures can NOT be broken (or twisted) says Jesus ( John 10:34-36)

ChristianNorth:
Read 1 Tim 3:15,16 with your New World Translation. The koko be say, it still agreed that God was manifested in the flesh.

**1Tim3:15,16 NWT
"But in case I am delayed ,that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in God's household,which is the congregation of the living God, a pillar and support of the truth"
v16"Indeed, the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great: He was made manifest in flesh"

Christian Not doing what he knows best-- Lying Pharisee he is in word & deed.

Your lies have caught up with you.

Emusan:
SMH...see concorted lies

Before it was, Jehovah is Almighty God and Jesus is a mighty God.

But now both Jehovah and Jesus are mighty God not only that, man and Angels are now also mighty God!

This can only be found in JWs logic....

I wonder if man and angels are already A MIGHTY GOD, while then Jesus will be called same thing

Anyway, there is ONLY ONE God who is Mighty...

Now, show us where in the Bible where Man and Angels are called MIGHTY God

If Jehovah sends one of his angels to read and explain Deu10:17, Psalms 82:1,6 & Isaiah 9:6 to you, you would continue to argue with Jehovah's messenger.

You always lie ,argue blindly and you will never admit the truth even if na Angel show am to you.
Lying Pharisee dey form Christian.

OLAADEGBU:
If that is the case then that means that all other gods are idols.

Psalms 82:1,6(KJV), did Jehovah say his sons were idols?
OLAADEGBU is twisting the holy scriptures because it does not suit his Trinity scam.

Olaadegbu dey misquote Acts4:12
The name Jesus was "given to men to get saved "
Who gave Jesus his name?
#* " I bend my knees to the Father to whom every family in heaven and on the earth owes it's name"
Ephesians 3:14 ,15. John 5:26


*** Who gave Jesus to men?
" For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son"
John 3:16.

If you love your Heavenly Father who granted life to Jesus and you,pls jejely carry your Trinity scam throw am put for dustbin.