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asalimpo:
the problem with you people,if sincere is that, you dont know how to interprete scriptures.
You also cherrypick what to believe,what suits ur theology.

The bible also says that you are a spirit and that physical death is separation of spirit from body . So , how dyu reconcile that with the life of the flesh is in the blood?
Note that it is THE LIFE OF THE FLESH not the life of the person. Iow,your body is a blood-based system. Perfectly scientific.
In proverbs it alludes to how your spirit affects the body:
the SPIRIT of a man will sustain him in infirmity


a broken spirit drieth up the bones
so a man is more than flesh , he is spirit,soul nd body. 1thes5v23.

An angel assuming a body changes nothing neither does it negate other scriptures. There isnt any information to tell what kind of body they have. Using that as the bases for disqualifcation is dubious

The coco wey JWs know you no fit know am,even if you go all the seminary for this world.
1.thess5:23 never said that !
A spirit being is liable to be a "broken spirit" so says the brain scrubbed pharisee.
I no fit laugh.

asalimpo:
they are seeing His body. Apparently they werent talking to a non-physical being! Even angels (spirits) had to assume fleshly form to relate with humans.
Conjectures can b made about why He wasnt readily recognized but there's no conclusive scriptural backing for such. Elevating them to conclusive canon is adding to d word.

**
It's no conjecture.
"Jesus put to death in the physical realm but was made alive in the spiritual realm" 1peter3:18

Christ suffered dishonor (died as criminal) and entered into his glory (Luke 24:26 .1cor15:43-45).


****"Afterward Jesus appeared in a different form to two of them" (Mark16:12)
Jesus form that Mary saw was different to what his two disciples saw on the road from Emmaus and different from what the eleven saw.

The result?
Only the ones who saw Jesus actually believed that Jesus had risen from the dead ,others were not convinced ( Mark16:11-14)

asalimpo:
Iow, God is a spirit, then bird's animals, are spirits too! Man is also a spirit . Is this what you r saying?
According to you, man is no better than an animal? Besides where is it called "life force"? That term sounds very occultic!

Asalimpo's problem is he doesn't know that the term 'spirit' has more than one meaning in the holy scriptures. In his brain scrubbed pharisaic mind ,'spirit' is strictly a supernatural entity.

asalimpo:

Deut. 18:22, "If what a
prophet proclaims in the name of the
LORD does not take place or come true,
that is a message the LORD has not
spoken. That prophet has spoken
presumptuously. Do not be afraid of
him."

dude,i hear you. It is an organization, with the unbeatable record of over a century of failed prophecies that has the key to the TRUTH.
They are THE WAY.
by THE WAY, by how many days off was JESUS resurrection date according to scriptures!
He said 3 days but woke up 33 days later. Right? Then he re-explained to thomas and co that his predictions didnt MEAN 3 LITERAL days. You SEE it's complex! You see any of that NONSENSE in scriptures? But with satanTOWER, it's rife.
Is this the junk you guys say hold the truth?
Keep being brainscrubbed.

Do your research on 1tim3v16 and rev20v12. They are copious verses showing the diety of Christ. So that's not even an issue.
Even if we glance over the corruptions of new age bibles it aint an issue.
Your argumnt using a point i made using 'Bishop' is barren,you hav said nothing. You even understand what i was saying. Go read it again to grasp my view.
The textus receptus is impossible to corrupt. Each manuscript is an independent copy hence corruption of thousands of carefully handcopied manuscript is impossible without massive capital and coordination and would quickly have been exposed. So,sorry,your attacks on the TR,again false flat.
The word He in 1tim3v16, is logically incorrect. And an error. Pronouns point to nouns, which was what i used the bishop analogy to point out. What noun was HE pointing to? Errors in God's word? Go do your checks.

As for wescott nd hort, you r a jjc if u dont know their spiritual depravity. Do ur research.
Satanists forged the line of manuscripts which is today the foundation for non tr bibles.

Hogwash as usual

CANTICLES:
Materialized angels are not humans.



" Prior to Jesus’ birth on earth, angels had appeared on this planet in human form, apparently materializing suitable bodies for the occasion, then dematerializing them after completing such assignments. (Ge 19:1-3; Jg 6:20-22; 13:15-20) They thus remained spirit creatures, merely employing a physical body temporarily. " insight on the scriptures .

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002451#h=29:20-29:338

True.
"When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week he appeared first to Mary Magdalene" Mark16:9-14
He APPEARED FIRST (only spirits appear and disappear at will)
to Mary Magdalene who did not recognize him(John 20:14-16).

"After ward Jesus APPEARED IN A.DIFFERENT FORM to two of them while they were walking in the country". Mark 16:12,13.

"Later Jesus APPEARED to the eleven as they were eating" Mark16:14

When these mumu Pharisees see a human form that appears and disappeared at will ,they will say they saw a spirit.
That is what Jesus did after he resurrected, he appeared in different human forms to his disciples.
Yet they lied as if Thomas first saw Jesus after he resurrected.
Mumu Pharisees wey their sense lost taytay


Jesus never ate after his resurrected. he gave them fish and bread John 21:13
"when they (Jesus disciples) had finished eating" v15
Jesus said to Simon Peter

OLAADEGBU:
Antichrist spirit spotted.

"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of , whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world" (1 John 4:3).

Liar spotted ! Pharisee misquoting scripture.
The word Jesus became flesh when he was born as a child to Mary and his adopted father Joseph.
Luke 1:30-32. John 1:14

asalimpo:
You simply dont know what you are talking about.
the kjv is so exact, that where a word or phrase is inserted into the text to clarify the meaning,theyd render it in ITALICS! The kjv was written as a WORD-FOR-WORD translation of the scriptures. it isnt a THOUGHT-FOR-THOUGHT rendition! The kjv was the work of over 150 devout scholars who feared God. Not theologians. Every rendition was checked massively after interpretation.

Majority of the english bibles ARE NOT TR. kjv is the only one ,they maybe one or two more, based on tr.

On He vs God thing, it is grammertically incorrect to say He without antecedent.
1Tim3v7: moreover HE must have a good report of them that are without...
Who is the 'HE' here ? 'HE' here refers to the object referred to in 1tim3v2. A bishop.

What is the antecedent to the He in 1Tim3v16? Who is the He?



Dean Burgon,isnt the inspiration og God's word. His opinion only matters if it doesnt go against the recorded word,which tht TR is.
Dean's burgeon's opinions are irrelevant. Translating the bible from one language (greek) to another doesnt need the input of EXPERTS just knowledge of the source language. If the TR were inconsistent,it would b another issue. But the thousands of collected manuscripts are highly consistent. Highly reliable. So the task simply involves translating to the target language nd moving on.

The other bible versions are based off of very corrupt bible manuscripts. The Wescott nd hort texts. These men were satanists and didnt think the bible was really God's inspired word. The worked off non TR texts and your so called douey version springs from their works.

If the word were really HE in the TR then the translator of other TR based versions at one point would have translated differently. But they all unanimously use the same word GOD, which isnt a coincidence because that is what is in the text not HE!

If on the other Hand it really is HE in the verses two things couldav happened:
some would hav translated it, Christ,others would have translated it God. Few would have left it in it's grammertical INCORRECT form of using a pronoun without antecedent WHICH IS RUBBISH. You dont use a pronoun WITHOUT ANTECEDENT it's grammertically unsound and incorrect

Asalimpo lying Pharisee displaying his talent for falsehood.
In 1tim3:16 and Rev 20:12, the word "God" were dubiously inserted .
English is not the original language of the Bible, any word which does not convey the exact meaning of the original language ,then it's a fraud.
I go dey check both Hebrew & Greek lexicon steady. Make e dey pain U !

*** Your "HE" in 1tim3:16 is your Bishop in v2-v7 ,your brain done corrupt taytay!

** Lying Pharisees have no
proof that Westcott& Hort were satanists. Character assassination indeed.

KJV has many different versions- American KJV ,New KJV,etc .
More than 10 different Bible translations are TR Bibles.
** textusreceptusbibles.com/Translations. (Google" English Translations of the Textus Receptus 1500-1900)
This further shows that Asalimpo is a lying Pharisee.

Common sense tells you that when any word you see in the oldest version of any work is not found in the new copy ,that specific word had been removed and substituted.
TR manuscript can never be more trustworthy than older manuscripts which existed before it.

tonyimadu:
Your example just buttressed my point. Jehovah was representing his Almighty Father.
I was thinking you would prove me wrong using the bible. Instead u some Mtn example that further proves my point.
The average Nigerian Christian does not know the scripture only believes in what his pastor says.
If u need more scriptures to learn more about the topic, let me know

john 5:43 I have come in my Father's name is the same as the Assistant who comes to the Forum in the name of the CEO of MTN but you twisted it because you can't understand what the scriptures says.
The Assistant is a messenger cum representative of his CEO ,carrying out the 'will' of his CEO(John 5:26,27,30 ,36 ,37. emphasis on v30 and v37). John 6:46.
Jesus represented Jehovah ,as messenger for his God and Father ( John 20:17. Acts3:13)
** Are you the messenger that you have sent?

#@ John 8:58 Greek ego eimi meaning "I exist" IS NOT in accord with Exodus 3:14 because Hebrew language has no present tense .
The Jews understood Exodus3:14 as "I will be that /which i will be" .

Christendom must twist the holy Bible to promote Trinity scam

Shepherd00:
Treat that scripture sir. Does Spirits have bones?

U sef dey read Bible your eyes but your brain understands nothing !
Jesus was flesh and bones when he appeared to his disciples (Luke24:39)

In Luke 24:13-29 ,Jesus appeared to them on the road from Emmaus to Jerusalem, for 7 miles from Emmaus to Jerusalem he traveled with them& stayed with them.
Yet none of his disciples recognized him during their trip . He had no wounds ,nail marks etc.
** why did Jesus disciples not recognized him ?
Mr Shepard use your brain !!

** Luke 24:30 "Jesus took bread gave thanks and began to give it to them.
.**NOTE**
Jesus ate nothing , says Luke's gospel account

v31".then their eyes were opened and they recognized him and he disappeared from their sight"

It is crystal clear that Jesus was raised a spirit.
v31 "he disappeared from their sight" after they recognized him.
Your brain should tell you that Jesus was a spirit ,he made himself visible to them simply to convince them that he had been raised up.
v36.he reappeared to them. v37.they were frightened thinking they saw a spirit
v38.,why are you troubled and doubtful?
v39.it is I myself....
In other words
. I have appeared in a body you can recognize.

asalimpo:
So the authors of the kjv committed a falsification?
All other versions not even based on the textus receptus still render that verse rightly as GOD, so u r saying that there was a collusion btwn the scribes of two manuscripts? You dont know know what you are talkng about. It is impossible for the scripts of the textus receptus to b universally falsified. Impossible. So if u see it in the kjv (only existing ,or most popular, textus receptus derived version) take it as truth.

The claim that the textus receptus is corrupt is false.
The only way jw can impugn God's word is to appeal to extra biblical references. References which they cant even prove. Like that the trinity was a concept inserted into christian theology by pagan customs! That Jesus wasnt nailed on cross,inspite of verses proving otherwise.

Brain scrubbed Pharisee doing what he knows best - LYING.
* Let me correct your falsehoods:
a) English Bible versions removed "He" from the Greek manuscript in 1 tim3:16& fraudently inserted "God",.their source manuscript is textus receptus (TR).
KJVs ,Geneva Bible, Jubilee Bible, Young's Literal Translation, modern English version, Green's Literal Translation,Bishop's Bible ,Quaker's Bible,Tyndale New Testament. Coverdale Bible , Rotherham Emphasized Bible.

****" Dean Burgon one of the main supporters of the TR declared that the TR needs correction... 150 corrections from the TR gospel of Matthew alone"
SOURCE* Textus Receptus (Wikipedia)
These are what you use to back up your satanic doctrines. Majority of English Bible versions are from TR.
Even the Catholic Douay Bible renders "He" in 1tim3:16 ,they stick to the truth.
Bible versions not based on TR stuck with "He" at 1tim3:16.

Mr lying Pharisee ,show us in your Bible that Jesus hands was nailed to the inscription "HERE IS THE KING OF THE JEWS"

johnw47:
1Jn_5:10  He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Your falsehood is tormenting you sotayy you dey misquote scripture.
"the record that God gave of his son" Confirmed


johnw unique lying talent" father and son is God" ,the fraud record of lying Pharisees

johnw47:
that's all that was said in the verse, but it doesn't mean that's all there is, Jesus probably had hair to, oh duh duh




Jesus was severly beaten, His nail and side wounds were visible, so it is likely that His face and head wounds would be visible also
but you are again running away from the matter at hand, was Jesus body raised
Jesus and Christian's say yes, lying false jw's say no

The eye witness apostle Peter
confirmed that Jehovah raised his servant Jesus from the dead.
Acts3:12-15.
* John w lying Pharisee has a unique talent for lying.

Peter also confirmed that "Jesus was put to death in the physical realm but made alive in the spiritual realm" 1Peter3:18.
The record of apostle proves that Jesus appeared to his followers in
materialized body.

*** Mary Magdalene saw Jesus wounds when he died(John 19:25) ,3 days later after he resurrected, she saw him (according to John w Pharisee Jesus "nail and side wounds where visible" )to Mary Magdalene yet she could not recognize Jesus voice or his face until Jesus called her name (John 20:11-16).
Why ?
Mr Liar ,Jesus appeared to Mary with out any wound on him.
Different materialized body.
But to Thomas et al,he appeared to them in a materialized body with wounds

asalimpo:
ok. The authors and translators of all the bible versions on the planet that say GOD suddenly couldnt get it right, until JW came along. Found the "ancient manuscripts", and found that learned scholars working independently just couldnt know the difference between HE and GOD! That's interesting. 100 bible versions render 1tim3v16 as GOD. So ... All of them got it wrong or your bigotry is keeping you from admitting that you are wrong?
Besides,it is blatantly grammertical incorrect to say 'He'. Using a pronoun without antecedent. The bibles u say corrupted passages,were translated by people who risked their lives to do so. At least the textus receptus line of bibles from which the kjv originates. So why would people die at stake to make the bible accessible to the common man,then pervert scriptures willfully,knowing the curses following such sins? Again, your claims are illogical.
Jesus is God.

Asalimpo is lying on a public forum just to defend a scam called Trinity
You even have to lie that "100 Bible versions render 1tim3:16 as GOD"

* In actual.fact only a handful of Bible versions sourced from textus receptus or other 14th century manuscripts .

I have questions for you:
** For instance, in page 316 of the 1st edition of your own book,the word "He" is in the first paragraph.

In subsequent editions, the word "He" is no longer in the first paragraph. How would another word find it's way into subsequent editions to take the place of "He"?

**** How old is KJV and its source
text, Textus receptus? Is it the first Bible known to men?
From where did the textus receptus originate?

johnw47:
written by a christian

In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. The New World Translation

God was the word in Greek This is one of the most common verses of contention between the Jehovah's Witnesses and Christians. Their false assumption is that Jesus is not God in flesh but Michael the archangel who became a man. Therefore, since they deny that Jesus is divine, they have altered the Bible in John 1:1 so that Jesus is not divine in nature. The New World Translation has added the word "a" to the verse so that it says, " . . . and the Word was a god." The correct translation of this verse is "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God." This is how it is rendered in the NASB, NIV, KJV, NKJV, ASV, RSV, etc.

The New World translation is incorrect in its translation of this verse for several reasons. First of all, the Bible teaches a strict monotheism. To say that Jesus is "a god" is to suggest that there is another god besides YHWH, which is contrary to scripture (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8, etc.). Of course, the Jehovah's Witnesses will respond that Jesus is not the Almighty God, but a "lesser" kind of God. He is the "mighty God" as is referenced in Isaiah 9:6, "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us, and the government will rest on His shoulders, and His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace." Therefore, they say that Jesus is the mighty god but not the Almighty God.

The immediate problem with this explanation is that YHWH is also called the Mighty God in Jeremiah 32:18 and Isaiah 10:21. In all three verses, including Isaiah 9:6, the Hebrew word for "mighty" (gibbor) is used.

Isaiah 10:20-21, "Now it will come about in that day that the remnant of Israel, and those of the house of Jacob who have escaped, will never again rely on the one who struck them, but will truly rely on the LORD, the Holy One of Israel. 21A remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the mighty God."
Jer. 32:18, "who showest lovingkindness to thousands, but repayest the iniquity of fathers into the bosom of their children after them, O great and mighty God, the LORD of hosts is His name."
We can see that the Jehovah's Witness explanation is not valid; both the Son and God are called the Mighty God.

Furthermore, how many actual gods are there in scripture? The obvious answer is that there is only one God in existence. Though there are others who have been falsely called gods (1 Cor. 8:5-6) or even said to be "as God" like Moses (Ex. 4:16; 7:1), there is only one real God (Gal. 4:8-9; Isaiah 44:6, 8]. If Jesus is "a god" that was "with God" in the beginning, then is Jesus a true god or a false god?

But, the Jehovah's Witnesses often claim that Jesus is a god in the sense that Moses was called a god; but, Moses was not called a god. Rather, he would be "as God."

"Moreover, he shall speak for you to the people; and it shall come about that he shall be as a mouth for you, and you shall be as God to him." (Exodus 4:16).
"Then the Lord said to Moses, 'See, I make you as God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.'" (Exodus 7:1).
Why was Moses going "as God" to Pharaoh? Because Moses was given the authority and power to display powerful miracles that decimated much of Egypt. Was Moses really a god? Being "as God" with regard to the power given to perform miracles over Egypt is not the same thing as being called "a god" that was in the beginning with God. (John 1:1).

John was a strict Jew, a monotheist. Does the Jehovah's Witness really think that John would be saying that there was another God besides Jehovah even if it were Jesus? Being raised a good Jew, the Apostle John would never believe that there was more than one God in existence. Yet, he compared the word with God, said the word was God, and that the word became flesh (John 1:1, 14).

John 1:1 in a literal translation reads thus: "In beginning was the word, and the word was with the God, and God was the word." Notice that it says "God was the word." This is the actual word-for-word translation. It is not saying that "a god was the word." That wouldn't make sense. Let me break it down into three statements.

"In beginning was the word . . . "
(en arche en ho logos)
A very simple statement that the Word was in the beginning.
"and the word was with the God . . . "
(kai ho logos en pros ton theon)
This same Word was with God.
"and God was the word."--Properly translated as "and the Word was God."
(kai theos en ho logos)
This same Word was God.
Regarding statement 3 above, the correct English translation is " . . . and the Word was God" and not "and God was the word." This is because if there is only one definite article ("ho"="the"] in a clause where two nouns are in the nominative ("subject"] form ("theos" and "logos"], then the noun with the definite article ("ho"="the"] is the subject. In this case "ho logos" means that "the word" is the subject of the clause. Therefore, " . . . the Word was God" is the correct translation and not "God was the Word."1 But this does not negate the idea that John is speaking of only one God, not two, even though the Jehovah's Witnesses maintain that Jesus is "a god" or the "mighty god" as was addressed above.

Is there suddenly a new god in the text of John 1:1? It is the same God that is being spoken of in part 2 as in part 3. How do the Jehovah's Witnesses maintain that the word had somehow become a god in this context since there is only one God mentioned? Remember, the Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus was Michael the Archangel. Therefore, is there any place in the Bible where an angel is called "a god" besides Satan being called the god of this world in 2 Cor. 4:3-4?

John 20:28--"Thomas answered and said to Him, 'My Lord and my God!'"


In the Greek in John 20:28 Thomas said to Jesus, "ho kurios mou, kai ho theos mou," "The Lord of me, and the God of me." If Jesus was not God, but "a" god, then shouldn't Jesus have corrected Thomas? Shouldn't Jesus have said, "No, Thomas, I am not the God. I am a god."? But Jesus did not. To do so would have been ludicrous. Nevertheless, the Jehovah's Witness will say that Thomas was so stunned by Jesus' appearance that he swore. This is ridiculous because it means that Thomas, a devout man of God, swore in front of Jesus and used the Lord's name in vain in violation of Exodus 20:7. This is hardly the case since we find no New Testament equivalent of a disciple of Christ using God's name in vain.

In conclusion, John 1:1 is best translated without the "a" inserted into the text. "The Word was God" is the best translation. This way, we do not run into the danger of polytheism with Jesus being "a god." We do not have Thomas the disciple swearing and using God's name in vain; and, we do not have the problem of Jesus being a "mighty god" and yet not the God--even though God Himself is called the Mighty God (Jeremiah 32:18; Isaiah 10:21).

Written by a lying Pharisee Matt Slick and plagiarised by Johnw lying Pharisee.

Matt slick is a lying Pharisee(" Does Jesus have a God?" by Matt slick
"the answer is yes and no"
https://carm.org/jesus-christ/does-jesus-have-a-god
Una sabi lie for Africa

asalimpo:
There you go, Mr. Slippery. Throw a question,introduce anoda indirection,evade the issue and rinse repeat.

You say hell doesnt exist. It is d common grave and the richman and lazarus thing is a parable. So mark 9 v43+. Was Jesus asking ppl to avoid going to a parabolic,fictional hell?

U really know nothing about the Bible.
In Mark9:43 & matt5:22& seven other verses where the word 'fires of hell' or 'hell fire' is in KJV ,the correct word there is "Gehenna" ( gehinnom in Hebrew . Many bible versions with margin notes or concordance will show you it is Gehenna.That place was a refuse dump,not a place of torment, outside Jerusalem)
Actually Mark9:43 is a parable spoken by Jesus . Only lying Pharisees come here & make noise to twist the parables of Jesus into some thing else.

asalimpo:
and that verse means- JESUS IS A CREATED BEING?
Are u guys so dense u dont get the plan of salvation? A great mystery!

Great is the mystery of Godliness for GOD (I.E JESUS) was MANIFEST in the FLESH. 1 tim3v16 . Still arguing? Of course your cult alters that verse in their book to brainscrub you guys.

#jw did a good job of brainscrubbing u

Brain scrubbed dim wit keeps lying on this thread.
Jehovah granted life to his son Jesus Christ and also granted life to you through Adam to your forebears in your family tree .

Only brain scrubbed dim wits are blissfully ignorant of the confirmed fact that "He who was manifest in the flesh" is authentic rendition of 1tim3:16.
https://biblehub.com/1_timothy/3-16

"Here, in the most ancient authorities, the word 'God' does not occur.
We must then literally translate the Greek of the most famous and trustworthy manuscript as follows:
He who was manifest in the flesh"

asalimpo:
@janosky
if you want to debate Jesus' divinity create a separate thread for that so that more of your JW deception can b exposed.

JW=A cult of lies.

Brainscrubbed Pharisee you can't prove shishi.

Your hell is still technically distinct from lake of fire and in breadth ,hell and lake of fire is interchangeable.

keep lying and deceive yourself

asalimpo:
were those angels crucified and entombed too? Did they live for 33 yrs in a body? If so, then a link can b made. So where did Jesus get the mutilated body he showed thomas?

"For as the Father has life in himself ,so he has granted the son to have life in himself"
"By myself I can do NOTHING"
John 5:26,30

Asalimpo your "god" depends on his God in all things. John20:17

asalimpo:
Where did he the get the mutilated body he showed thomas?
How could he be raised spirit when he told thomas that he isnt spirit but flesh and bones?


This is what u get when an illiterate Russel goes at the bible without an education.
#Brainscrubbed jw

Brainscrubbed Pharisee dey throw him brainscrubbed insult.
"technically it hell is distinct from lake of fire.... hell is lake of fire interchangeably"
Lol


The angelic spirits who appeared to Lot as men and ate with him ,where did they get the human form they had?

Barristter07:
Lying cannot save you.

asalimpo:
An "angel" that is God! Right. That the bible says is GOD but u corrupt jws have to twist that verse because it goes against your theology.

An "angel" God (Father) calls God! Oops!

An "angel" who created ALL things,yet isnt created- you jws- twist that scriptures to say otherwise!

An "angel" that FORGIVES sin-like God!

You guyz hav serious brain issues!

Only a deranged man or a brainscrubbed man will argue over the obvious!

Barrister07 has said it all.

Asalimpo lying Pharisee twisting the scriptures in a failed bid to
fight back.

Jehovah made the universe THROUGH his "only begotten son.and only begotten god " whom he appointed heir over all things" Heb1:1,2. John 1:3,18
Greek Dia auto> "THROUGH- the channel for an act or process
."Begotten" that word renders your twisted theory faulty &useless

Emusan:
See this deluded person accusing me of not knowing my Bible



Had it been you know your Bible more than watchtower or Awake, you wouldn't have committed this blunder.

Two Angels were INSIDE the sepulchre which Mary spoke with and after spoken with them she TURNED before Jesus appeared to her but because watchtower lie has blindfolded your mind to believe that the Rising Lord is an Angel, you have to bring that here in other to disgrace yourself.

After saying this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus. John 20:14 NWT



Until you prove further that you know your Bible more than watchtower and awake should you engage me.

Excuse to dodge questions wey u no fit answer.

Jesus is an angel in.fact the chief (Prince) of Jehovah's army. Lol

OLAADEGBU:
SUBJECT

Secondary Essentials
Not stated in Scripture as essential but are derivatively essential since they deal with accurately describing the true God and they are based, in part, on the Primary Essentials. Denial strongly suggests lack of regeneration.

6) God exists as a Trinity of persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
7) Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary (nature of incarnation).
8.) Jesus is the only way to God the Father (John 14:6).

Groups denying these:

Christadelphianism - 6
Islam - 6, 8
Jehovah's Witnesses - 6
Mormonism - 6
Oneness Pentecostal - 6

Comments: God is a Trinity. And though a person may not understand or initially affirm the Trinity doctrine upon regeneration, he will eventually come to accept it since it is a Biblically true revelation describing the true God. Jesus was born of a virgin which is essential when defending the two natures of Jesus: divine and human. If Jesus were not born of a virgin, then His patronage would be in doubt as well as His divinity.

3 face godhead devotees and gullible slaves of pastorpreneur con men playing god.
Oturugbeke !
https://www.nairaland.com/1049799/some-deeper-life
-practices-alien

johnw47:
Luk_24:39 [color=#990000] Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have[/

1Jn_5:10  He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: [b]he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

1 John 5:10 you dey misquote
"God gave his son".
NOT God gave God or gave
himself .

U have said on this thread that Jesus body died but in spirit he lives on.

1cor15:53" that which is mortal must put on immortality"
Therefore 1peter3:18 is correct.
Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene and his apostles in different materialized bodies.
He was resurrected as a spirit being that is why he appeared and disappeared at will.
John w wan change holy scripture

johnw47:
ha ha, so if you were to dig up the body of a believer, his body will be uncorrupted, laughing

it only applies to Jesus, his body was kept from corruption because it's the same body that was raised


decomposition begins at death
rigor mortis happens six hours after death
the dead body can start to smell as early as seven hours after death

Janosky:
Mr Liar. "GLORIFIED BODY" is not physical body ,but a spiritual body.

1 cor15:42-50,53.,is crystal clear about it.
v53"this which is mortal (Jesus physical body) must put on immortality" ( spiritual body incorruptible ,incorruption) .
Sown (buried) a physical body
raised up(resurrected) a spiritual body ( v42,44).

To write your own Bible dey hungry you
keep lying and deceive your self with John 8:44&.2cor4:4.etc
Na your way

johnw47:
the verse does not say no blood, you added that
however as Jesus said, it is Jesus risen body with nail holes etc. not a diffdrent body, oh know nothing
and disbeliever of God

Your fellow Pharisee Olaadegbu
claimed it's only "flesh and bones" not flesh and blood (in a previous post) he claimed it's different.

She was familiar to Jesus & saw him impaled with cuts,bruises nail marks.( Mark15:39,40 John 19:25)


Questions for johnw
Why did Mary Magdalene not recognize the resurrected Jesus nor his voice when he spoke to her at his tomb? (John 20:11-16)

Did Jesus appear to Mary and his disciples with same body?

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EdifiedHebrew:
JEHOVAH WICKEDNESS & THE CHRISTAINS DON"T KNOW THE BIBLE AT ALL. THEY PUSH OUT WRONG PRECEPTS TO DECEIVE PEOPLE INDIRECTLY TO REJECTS ELOHIM'S LAWS, STATUTES, COMMANDMENTS & JUDGMENTS.

Shame on you.
You don't even know the true God whose title you rant about

asalimpo:
Mr. Excuse me sir! Stop injecting into scriptures! Jesus ate food into a FLESH AND BONE BODY. The angels in lot had no such body,there's no indication throughout scriptures to warrant such an assumption. Jesus body post resurrection was A GLORIFIED BODY, it didnt run on a blood system that his former body had. It could WALK THROUGH WALLS. It could APPEAR AT WILL anywhere,without need for physical relocation. It was a human body but a SAVED AND GLORIFIED HUMAN BODY. This isnt what the angels had and no angelic being has such. It's the body paul talks about in his epistles.
This kind of body is PROMISED ONLY to Believers. No angel or spirit is promised it or operates it.

Angels can assume a form,as God wills, or as they will but it's clear their powers have limits. Angels assumed human form-flesh nd blood bodies like man and impregnated earthly women. In Noah's time. But it's limited to that. The glorified body Jesus exhibited post-resurrection is ageless, fatigueless, can never die. It is only for believers.

Lying Pharisee who said "Jesus used hell and lake of fire interchangeably"
In the same breath "technically
it hell is distinct from lake of fire"

Mr Liar. "GLORIFIED BODY" is not physical body ,but a spiritual body.

1 cor15:42-50,53.,is crystal clear about it.
v53"this which is mortal (Jesus physical body) must put on immortality" ( spiritual body incorruptible ,incorruption) .
Sown (buried) a physical body
raised up(resurrected) a spiritual body ( v42,44).

johnw47:
1Pe 3:18  For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 

Jesus certinally was put to death in the flesh
and Jesus certinally was made alive in the Spirit, and Jesus certinally did rise in His flesh and bones body, oh such a duh


1Co 15:42  So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 

Jesus resurrection wasn't exactly like other resurrections
for instance everyone else who has ever died, their body has seen corruption
Jesus body never saw even the first stage of corruption:

Act 2:31  He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.


go and learn what the verses mean, oh know nothing.

Misquoting John 8:44 will not save your falsehood from exposure.

Stop pretending ,you are just paying lip service to 1peter3:18 ,you have never believed in Peter's epistle.
Peter is speaking against your "Jesus rose in physical body" falsehood.

*** Your misquoting 1cor15:42 but,vs 44 &50 pulls the rug off your feet.

v44" It is sown a physical body,it is raised up a spiritual body"
Meaning christ physical body was "sown"(died& buried ,liable to corruption but did not see corruption) ,because "it is raised up a spiritual ( incorruptible) body"

v50".neither does corruption inherit incorruption(to inherit incorruption he did not see corruption)

johnw47:
Php 3:18  (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 
Php 3:19  Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

Your fellow man happiness dey pain you like this .
Bad belle done consume you finish !
U no be happy person at all.. Kai !
Pharisee pretending to be Christian

asalimpo:
i thought were trying to debunk my assertion? Is by using ridicule and smileys? I've given you some serious food to chew on. Thank me for the education and enlightenmnt you gain when/if u learn that truth.

No scriptures for this your story.
Spiritual junk passed off as truth.
Fit for the dustbin.

johnw47:
i already told you before that angels are spirits
the bible says the same thing, search for it oh know nothing
those angels put on bodies to do God's work on earth and has nothing at all to do with Jesus resurrection

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Angels are spirits hath not flesh and bones but ate and drank with Lot debunks your lie that "Jesus rose in his own body of flesh and bones"

**- " When they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead....one of the soldiers pierced Jesus side with a spear,bringing a sudden flow of blood and water"
John 19:33,34.

John 19:33,34 says Jesus was flesh and blood (blood flowed in his veins) before his death ,since he resurrected with just "flesh and bones " (no blood), therefore it's not that same body he had before he died .