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johnw47:
Jehovah didn't create anyone at the beginning of creation, at the beginning of creation was God and Wisdom the word
nothing was created that the word did not create,
the LORD possessed Wisdom He didn't create wisdom, He always possessed Wisdom,

Jehovah God-Father and Wisdom the word, created the heavens, you don't understand anything oh duh one
and you don't believe God




of course gen 1:26 is two persons, Father and the word, u so duh duh
by the way it is not God and the angels, like you false jw's believe
and of course God is a spirit-one spirit,

Crooked LIAR & twister , bring proof here that Jehovah's witnesses taught you that Gen1:26 referred strictly " to God and the angels".


** Johnw lying Pharisee & twister, " the Lord possessed Wisdom He didn't create Wisdom", FRAUD !

Yahweh created the one personified as 'Wisdom' in Pro8:22,27, stop twisting the holy scriptures , Jesus himself said he is the "Wisdom of God"(Luke 11:49. Matt23:34. 1cor1:24,30 ).
** Mr LIAR, everyone knows that Prov8:22-30, referenced Jesus Christ, your lie lie no fit change am.

**** The same Hebrew word (qanah > To erect ,CREATE, to get, procure, to own, Acquire, Possess"
. Sourced from Strong's Hebrew 7069). in Prov 8:22 is also the same word at Gen4:1"I have GOTTEN a man by Jehovah', Deu32:6"your CREATOR,who MADE you & FORMED you".Gen14:19,22" CREATOR (Possessor). Psalms 139:12.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/kjv/qanah.html.

How did Jehovah Possessed, Acquired ,Created , Procured the spirit being personified as Wisdom in Prov8:22?

Spiritual fraudsters wey dey change & misquote holy scriptures , dey form Christian.

Hairyrapunzel:
Na you know. Last last Armageddon and Paradise earth is still imaginary. That is it isn't real. It will never happen.
We are not zombies that think our God will slaughter people who don't belong to our denomination or obey the leaders of the denomination with vultures eating their corpses. We ain't zombies that believe that we will live on earth forever because it isn't real and will never happen.

This hairy guy is an atheist pretending to be a Christian.

Even the flood of Noah's day "isn't real and will never happen"
Matt24:36-39. 2pet 3:1-7.

Kolo Pharisee dey form Christian.

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Emusan:
As usual, following the foot step of your organization hiding the truth with (...) Whereas, both 1 Corinthian 15:20&44 talk about different issues.

Now, if 1 Corin 15:44 is a model for resurrection that will be experienced by man, are you saying they will have SPIRITUAL BODY like that of allergy Christ spirit body?

1 Cor 15 is about resurrection of Jesus.... u wan change am ?
Pharisee dey misquote scriptures, v45" So it is written: the first man Adam , became a living being ( soul),the last Adam, a life giving spirit".
Who is that life giving spirit?
*** Jamb question;
Pls explain heb10:10. 9:26,28. 7:27. Eph5:2 , John 6:51.

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OP, pls apply the advice of "eyinjuege" moniker,you & wifey go do thorough medical tests, rhesus factor tests included.

The spiritual is stronger than the physical, confession & forgiveness must take place for divine mercy & healing to be effected, everyone in this saga needs serious help...
Your brother might be under a curse. (why would he fall into very hard times simply because his adulterous wife left him?)
Womanizers /adulterous wives always pay a hefty price for their iniquity.

henriettttta:
People keep criticizing the Catholic faith yet they keep growing in numbers

I've read this thread from the beginning and all I can say about the OP is that you're a religion fanatic

Ask yourself this question are you just reading the bible or do you really understand it?

OLA, your fellow Trinity scam believer say you be "religious fanatic" gaan.
Pharisee must disagree & fight Pharisee.
No unity among them, their unity is shambolic

Lol

Janosky:
Johnw lying Pharisee ,the most talented LIAR on NL & Uncrowned Nobel Laureate for Falsehood, dey open him Trinity eyes & false hooded mouth dey lie & change the decree of Yahweh in Pro8:22,27 & Jesus' confessional statement in John 5;26 "The Father Jehovah granted life to Jesus & every other living being .

** At least, make you fear Yahweh nau, abi you done forget "don't add & don't subtract" decree of Yahweh in Pro30:6 & Rev22:18,19?

*** Who did Jehovah " created at the beginning of his creation from before all of his works" ?
Who is the created being that was there when Jehovah " established the heavens"?

*** @Rev 3:14, who calls himself "the beginning of the creation by God"?

***@ Rev3:21 , who said " I conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne"?
Where did he make the above statement ,in heaven or earth?

** Spiritual fraudster & lying Pharisee Johnw47, what's the meaning of 'beget'? how did the "Father beget Son"?

Spiritual fraudster, Jesus, angels or Adam, who was created first ?
Prov8:22,27 who did Jehovah "created at the beginning of his creation? Who was there when Jehovah "established the heavens"?

** Yahweh said "let us make man..." that's Yahweh's further proof that your so called "the father and the word is two persons in one spirit" is a cheap FRAUD.
Crooked twister, one spirit can be NEVER be "us" !!
Senseless crook says "us" means one spirit shared by two persons (alu mere !). Lol
Go & attempt the Jamb questions above, your trinity scam done scatter & fall yakata

OLAADEGBU:
Jehovah's witnesses and the resurrection Jesus

"The Watchtower organization says that Jesus did not rise from the dead in the same body he died in. Instead, it says that He rose as a spirit creature and that the material body of Jesus was taken away by God the Father. Therefore, they deny the physical resurrection of Christ. Is this important? Most definitely!"

https://carm.org/jehovahs-witnesses-and-resurrection-jesus

1 cor 15:20 ,44.
Christ has been raised up from the dead.. It is sown a physical body (Christ died in the flesh) but raised up a spiritual body (risen with a spirit body)
Jesus was raised a spiritual body

"Made alive in the spirit, na fleshly body be that?
Pharisees carm.org had to lie that the flesh is imperishable body.
Spiritual fraudsters dey form Christian.
Pls explain Heb10:10. Eph5:2& John 6:51

johnw47:
what a friend christians have in Jesus

Your deceptive cartoon is proof that you, Johnw47 lying Pharisee is not a friend of Jesus, you don't even know him!
Exponent of "Jesus is Jehovah" fraud, you can NEVER be your father & it is spiritually criminal to claim he did it.

*** "Blessed be the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ.."

**" ... I bend my knees to the Father, to whom every family in heaven and on earth OWES its name" Eph1:3. Eph 3:14,15.

Johnw get special talent & PhD for twisting scriptures

" For this very reason, God exalted him & gave him a name that is above every other name,so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend...."

** Shebi Una see am?
Jehovah the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ gave Jesus a name above every other name.
Oba of Lagos go exalt you & your own name/ position go pass the Oba own?

***These Pharisees are incredibly foolish & without sense , that's Trinity scam at work.

Janosky:
Johnw lying Pharisees, twister & spiritual fraudster doing what he knows best- Lie ,twist & condemn what is written in his own copy of the holy Bible.

.**"Lord Jehovah created me at the beginning of his creation and from before all of his works"
*v27 "When he established the heavens, I was there..."
Prov8:22

**John 5:26 " For as the Father has life in himself, so he has GRANTED the son to have life in himself".
** For with you ( Jehovah) is the fountain of life" Ps36:9.
Jehovah is the Source /Fountain of life.

Jesus is the wisdom of God ( Matt23:34,Luke 11:49,1Cor1:24) personified as a living person, a woman ,the wisdom (in Proverbs because in Hebrew language, 'Wisdom' is a feminine noun & grammatically feminine, this has nothing to do with actual biological gender).
But English is different. Nouns are not grammatically categorized by gender.

johnw47:
it is not: "Lord Jehovah created me at the beginning of his creation and from before all of his works"

how could God create the Word before all His works, when all His works were done through the Word Jesus, oh duh duh duh
nothing was created that Father didn't create through Jesus
Joh 1:3 


Father beget Son, Son is the same Spirit as Father, Father and son is Jehovah God:

Johnw lying Pharisee ,the most talented LIAR on NL & Uncrowned Nobel Laureate for Falsehood, dey open him Trinity eyes & false hooded mouth dey lie & change the decree of Yahweh in Pro8:22,27 & Jesus' confessional statement in John 5;26 "The Father Jehovah granted life to Jesus & every other living being .

** At least, make you fear Yahweh nau, abi you done forget "don't add & don't subtract" decree of Yahweh in Pro30:6 & Rev22:18,19?

*** Who did Jehovah " created at the beginning of his creation from before all of his works" ?
Who is the created being that was there when Jehovah " established the heavens"?

*** @Rev 3:14, who calls himself "the beginning of the creation by God"?

***@ Rev3:21 , who said " I conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne"?
Where did he make the above statement ,in heaven or earth?

** Spiritual fraudster & lying Pharisee Johnw47, what's the meaning of 'beget'? how did the "Father beget Son"?

I have consistently brought solid scriptural evidence & where need be, valid authentic sources where any one can check & verify whatever I posted here.
Unlike copy copy thief thief of unverifiable "it is written by a Christian (?)" plagiarist.
Lying non denominational Pharisee worshipper of pagan triune deity dey form Christian.
Only lying Pharisees condemn, twist & deny the words in their copy of the Bible & misquote John 8:44 to every post that knock out their Trinity scam.

Au revoir.

johnw47:
lying pharisee deceiver Janosky/OneJ
you believe men and magazines before God and His word

of course you don't believe God and twist and change what He said and inspired to be said:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 20:28  And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Mat 1:23  Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Johnw lying Pharisee & twister who hates God's truth.

** Thy throne O God " contraption contravened the holy Bible's Messianic prophecies about Jesus Christ.
* "God ,Yahweh will give Jesus the throne of his father David (his ancestor, Luke1:31-33).

-* King David said his sons (inclusive of the Messiah Jesus) "sit on the throne of God" Yahweh ( 1chr29:23. 28:5.).

*- Hebrew 1:8 authentic record is "God is your throne" (Your divine throne " is also correct.)
***
Hebrew 1:8,9 is a quote of Ps45:6,7, which initially referred to king David & his sons.
If u dubiously claimed that "Your throne O God " is correct, you mean that the Jews accepted king David is God (or any of his sons) who sit on Yahweh's throne. ( alu mere) !.


##Matt1:23 this Johnw lying Pharisee inferred that virgin Mary gave birth to God. (alu mere)!

*** Jesus is the Master of Thomas, the words of Master Jesus in John 20:17 is more significant & nullified John 20:28.
Rev 3:14,21 . 2:27.
Thomas can not usurp his own Master nau, he is not a Pharisee like johnw



*** John1:1.
Spiritual fraudster & Johnw lying Pharisee, "when the Greeks speak about God , they DO NOT say "theos"(God). The Greeks say "Ho theos" (the God).


*#@John 1:1 NEVER said the word is ho theos .
I have checked & cross checked it several times!
It's the authentic, honest to God truth which every Trinitarian Bible translators knows.
But pride & corrupted Pharisaic brain of a spiritual fraudster would lie & speak against what his Bible says.

johnw47:
only a fool and a liar [u]would preach that "the Lord and Saviour of the World" was created

Johnw lying Pharisees, twister & spiritual fraudster doing what he knows best- Lie ,twist & condemn what is written in his own copy of the holy Bible.

.**"Lord Jehovah created me at the beginning of his creation and from before all of his works"
*v27 "When he established the heavens, I was there..."
Prov8:22

**John 5:26 " For as the Father has life in himself, so he has GRANTED the son to have life in himself".
** For with you ( Jehovah) is the fountain of life" Ps36:9.
Jehovah is the Source /Fountain of life.

Jesus is the wisdom of God ( Matt23:34,Luke 11:49,1Cor1:24) personified as a living person, a woman ,the wisdom (in Proverbs because in Hebrew language, 'Wisdom' is a feminine noun & grammatically feminine, this has nothing to do with actual biological gender).
But English is different. Nouns are not grammatically categorized by gender.

[quote author=johnw47 post=76014475]Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


according to you the word was God before creation, but the Word is not God before creation :
[\quote]



Pls don't misquote me...
Confused ,crooked twister& spiritual fraudster, Johnw lying Pharisee, John 1:1 NEVER said "Father and the word is God".

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word ,and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS (a) God (past tense, "I get am before no be property",johnw lying Pharisee.)
Mr Liar , God and the Word are two spirits, not two persons with flesh & blood.

*** Is (present tense,Now..)
**WAS (past tense, "I get am before no be property".... )

Let's give johnw lying Pharisee &
Uncrowned Nobel Laureate for Falsehood,a round of applause .

Chiprince007:
If everything you're saying is gotten from what someone put on his site then I have nothing more to say to you. Please if you check your words well, you're just pilling up stuffs to say that the bible is very incorrect. Please sir be careful with your words. PLEASE if you don't understand , ask the Holy Spirit teach you. Don't Darken counsel without knowledge.

Lol .
Mr Chiprince wants to run faster than Usain Bolt.
Why ?
You are scared to see your Trinity scam demystified & exposed as false, from your own copy of the Bible.

** Simple task to help you....
Get different Bible translations,the ones with Concordance,References or Marginal Notes, open to 1john5:7 & 1 Timothy 3:16, come back here & report what you find .

*** I made it easier for you by giving you links to access different Bible translations of those verses online,but you dey here dey give flimsy & clumsy excuses.
**- Your 'holy spirit' wey no fit teach you how to explain John10:34-36 & John 20:17,30,31, naim you dey recommend to another person, to do what ?

God's holy spirit has revealed the truth about Trinity to me, rather you should ask God to open your heart & your eyes to the truth.

Peacefullove:
Old testament saints like Moses, David, Joel, Isaiah . do they believe the above? Will they be saved ? are they saved ?



How can they believe someone they didn't know ?

So since our forefathers also didn't believe him too, They are not saved. That forced me to ask: where are they presently ?

Lol.
Their flight done reach there tay tay.

Chiprince007:
. wow Bravo Bravo. You're trying to show us your knowledge of Greek and Hebrew,hmmmm its well. I dont want to tell you where I come from because we study Greek and Hebrew in the interpretation of the scripture. Anyway,I'm not here to argue but to show light.
First of all, you saying that 1 John 5:17 and 1 Tim 3:16 are 419 additions to the bible is preposterous and heretic. Why because its part of the cannon of the bible.if you say they are 419 additions, give me your proof from the "Scriptures". In the mouth of two or three witnesses, the truth is established. So I'll be more than willing to share other witnesses of the trinity in the Bible.
You don't expect the meaning and pronunciation of one word in one language to be the exact same meaning of that word in another language.
Philippians 2:6-7[b] " Who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God, but made himself of no repute and took upon him the form of a servant and was made in the likeness of men"[/b]. If you look through the Scripture, Jesus did not refer to himself as the son of God, neither did he acknowledge to the Pharisee when they asked him why because he did not want to equate himself to God. But when he asked his disciples who he was, peter replied and said thou art Christ the Son of the Living God and Jesus replied saying, flesh and blood hath not revealed this unto you (Matthew 16:15-17) and he also acknowledged that God was his father.(John 5:19)
But mind you WORDS are vehicles by which we express our thought and intents of our heart.
So when we say Jesus is the word, he's the expression of Gods thought and the intent of him towards us as mankind.
"And Jesus [/b]when he was baptized went up straightway out of the water and lo the heavens were opened unto him and the [b]Spirit of the God[/b]descending like a dove and lighting upon him and lo a voice from heaven [b] This is my beloved son, in whom I'm well pleased =>.
This is my second proof.

I'm not here to brag about Hebrew/ Greek, if it helps us to unearth the truth , all well & good.

** U can see different translations of 1 John5:7& draw your conclusion. For instance,
https://www.bibleref.com/1-John/ 5/1-John-5-7.html.

*** https://biblehub.com/1_timothy/3-16.htm
Pls scroll down to the Greek lexicon & discover the actual rendition of 1timothy3:16.

*** Any Bible translation of Philippians 2:6-7 which is not in agreement with Jesus words at John 14:28 , is at best , spurious & questionable.

**** "Jesus did not refer to himself as the son of God" ,( your statement) . Pls explain John 10:34-36, 20:17,30,31.

## the Pharisees lied that Jesus was making himself equal to God(John 10:33,Jesus replied them in v34-36) but John5:18 says "he was even calling God his own Father", but the Pharisees misinterpreted that to mean "he was making himself equal to God".

**** Matt16:13-17, Jesus said God revealed to Simon Peter that he(Jesus) is the son of the Living God.

* Matt3:16,17 @ Jesus baptism, God's voice from heaven affirmed that Jesus is his beloved son.
Or what else?

John 1:1, Emphatic Diaglott

johnw47:
truly Father is God,
and John 1:1 does say "the word was God",
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 

ha ha, truly the son is not the Father
and truly Father and the Word is God, two persons being the one true God, john 1:1

Johnw lying Pharisee, twister & spiritual fraudster, your Trinity scam is a man made fraud unmasked.

###**** "A List of Different
Renderings of John1:1c from the Gospel of John"***

"John says that the Word was God".... because Greek, in which John wrote had a different way of saying things from the way in which English speaks.
The Greek for God is "theos" & the definite article is "Ho"( English 'the'), when Greek speaks about God, it doesn't simply say "theos", it says "Ho theos" (the god).
Now, when Greek does not use the definite article with a noun, that noun becomes much more like an adjective; it describes the character, the quality of the person.
John does not say that the Word was ho theos...., he says that the Word was theos with out the definite article, which means that the Word was, as we might say, has the very same character and quality and essence and being as God"
Barclay, William "The Daily Study Bible-The Gospel of John ,Volume 1-3(Revised Edition, ISBN 0-664-21304-9.
https://thebookshelf2015..com/2016/07/a-list-of-different-renderings-of-john.html.

William Barclay, Bible translator & eminent Greek scholar, gives proof beyond doubt that Trinity is a scam.

"The Word is divine, (a god )" is the the appropriate, correct wording of John 1:1.
Johnw lying Pharisee dey stew inside him "Father & the Word is two persons, one spirit which is God" falsehood.
Man made scam called Trinity committed robbery on your brain.

johnw47:
of course you understand nothing and don''t believe God

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Johnw lying Pharisee twisting & misquoting the holy scriptures.

Janosky:
"Birth and creation are equivalent terms.... the Bible have demonstrated that the word "born" mean "created..."
Johnw lying Pharisee deceiving himself.

"Before the mountains were born or you (Jehovah) brought forth the earth and the world....." Ps90:2

How did Jehovah BORN the mountains?
"Synonyms For Create"
*Conceive...
*Generate
*Beget (Begotten)
* Give birth to
*etc
https://www.thesaurus.com


"What is another word for birth?"
*Nativity
* CREATION
*Producing etc
*NOUN Synonyms
*Beginning
*Genesis
*Formation etc
.https://www.wordhippo.com

*Born Synonyms
* Birth
*Nativity
* Begot
*Begotten
https://www.powerthesaurus.org

Johnw lying Pharisee & his lying Pharisees,
Get out ta here with your satanic doctrine .

johnw47:
Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 

all thing were made by the Word Jesus Christ
nothing that was created was created without Him
showing that Jesus wasn't created

only a fool and a liar would preach that "the Lord and Saviour of the World" was created:

Synonyms of 'create , born, begotten' as shown above , is proof that Johnw lying Pharisee is a spiritual fraudster with special talent for lying & falsehood.

" Let's check out more proofs from the Greek text transcriptions.
*https://biblehub.com/Colossians/1-16.htm
*https://biblehub.com/hebrews/1-2.htm
*https://biblehub.com/john/1-3.htm

"God created everything THROUGH him(Jesus)" John 1:3 NLT
"THROUGH him( Jesus) all things were made" (Berean study Bible).

*God spoke to us through his son (the Word/Spokesman of God)..... THROUGH whom he made the universe" Hebrew 1:2
*"All things were created THROUGH him" Colossians 1:16.
## Greek Lexicon- dia autou >THROUGH him
### Strong's Greek 1223:
"A primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; THROUGH."
Una see the truth?
Jesus IS NOT Jehovah, the Creator.
Rather, Jesus was a channel or agent of the act/process of Jehovah's (Yahweh's ) creative works.
* Because of Jesus role in Jehovah's creative works," the Word WAS God", (past tense@ time of creation) NOT the Word is God.
(Prov8:22-30,1cor1:24).
Johnw lying Pharisee , twister & spiritual fraudster ,come & misquote John1:1& 8:44.

brocab:
{Mark 2:5-7} When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”
Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, thinking to themselves, “Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9OGg6qPwTo

Mark2:10,11.
Brocab lying Pharisee ,twister, educated illiterate &
Blasphemous LIAR, is Jehovah the son of man or the son of God?

Hairyrapunzel:
Watchtower organization think say dem get sense and they can deceive everybody. Oya let's go there


What justification does watchtower have for switching methods of interpretation from literal to figurative right in the middle of Revelation 7:4?

You will soon quote an unrelated verse to support your claim. Your jehovah has to be confused.


How does watchtower organization reconcile that with Revelation 14:4, which clearly indicates that the 144,000 are all men who have not been defiled with women?

Soon you will quote how encyclopedia says masculine gender is for every one. Lol

** Your first " B" point, Rev7:4-8 says "144,000 were sealed ( SEALED , its meaning dey straight forward to laymen)
Pls go read my post again..
Numbers 1:4-16 shows it's not natural 12tribe Israel that's in Rev 7:4-8.
Other points in my post still valid.

**2nd 'b' point,
you have no basis to attribute any gender to them because Rev14:1-4 is not gender specific ," These are those who did not defile themselves...." that's the point of emphasis.
More so , ever since men & women been in existence, even women defile themselves with other women & vice versa.
(Rom1:26,27. 1 Cor6:9).

Chiprince007:
OK. I came to religion page because I wanted to make some statements concerning the post on FP " Difference between Christianity and Islam". But I would answer your question about the Holy trinity. 1John 5:7 " For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and The Holy Ghost: and these three are one". If you read the book of John 1:1-4 it showcases Jesus as the word. So we can say that The Father( God the Father), The Word( God the Son-Jesus) and The Holy Ghost. So please I can show you also from the old testament but I don want to go there. God bless you. The Trinity is real

1 John 5:7 & 1 tim3:16 KJV are 419 additions into the holy scriptures.
Go & do your research on it, bro.

**Exo3:14" I shall be what/who I shall be" is the authentic statement, NOT "I am"
"I am" in Greek 'ego eimi" simply meaning ' I exist' (John 8:58) IS NOT equivalent to " Ehyel asher Ehyel (Hebrew -" I shall be what/ who I shall be" .

## The word(Jesus) became flesh but not his Father & God (John20:17,30,31) whom Jesus called "the only true God" ( John 17:3, I don't need to explain the implications of Jeus statement to your satanic doctrine).
John 5:36-38,43. 6:46 (Exodus 33:20,23) are unpalatable truths that rubbished the Trinity scam
1 cor11:3.

brocab:
{Mark 2:5-7} When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”
Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, thinking to themselves, “Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9OGg6qPwTo

You no get power to forgive sins ? Matt18:18-23.

##** "But in order for you to know that the Son of man has authority to forgive sins on earth- " Mark2:10,11,

brocab lying Pharisee & educated illiterate twisting the holy scriptures, is Jehovah 'the son of man?'
Why do you blaspheme the holy scriptures ,Jehovah's word ,by your inference that He is "Son of man"?

Spiritual fraudster, get out ta here with your satanic doctrines.

Hairyrapunzel:
It doesn't change the fact that your jehovah isn't consistent with his words.
He told you guys that only 144000 will go to heaven but the specific tribes of Israel he mentioned means spiritual Israel. Only in one verse does he have both literal and figurative meaning. Lol.

Kolo Pharisee dey mock God's word.
**Rev14:1-4, v3 says "the 144,000 who have been bought from the earth"
v4 says 144,000 "were bought from among mankind"
Note: these verses NEVER said the 144,000 were natural Jews or only fleshly descendants of Abraham.

**
Rev 7:4-8 says 144,000 were sealed out of the tribes of Israel:
" Judah Reuben Gad Asher Naphtali Manasseh Simeon Levi Issachar Zebulun Joseph Benjamin"

If you studied the Bible well, you would know that those in Rev7:4-8 were not the 12 tribes of natural Israel.

## * Numbers1:4-16 listed the 12 tribes of Israel, the tribes of Levi & Joseph no dey among natural Israel, the natural Israelite tribes of Ephraim & Dan was omitted in Rev7:4-.
*** Proof that 144,000 is NOT natural Jews , but spiritual Israel.
***
*" the heirs with reference to a promise" of heavenly rulership with Jesus are "neither Jew nor Greek" in the flesh (Gal3:26-29) but "bought from among mankind" (Rev14:1-4), adopted as spiritual sons of God and "joint heirs with Christ" Romans 8:15-17

***
Jehovah's word the holy Bible is consistent but because you be Kolo Pharisee wey dey form Christian,"deadlytruth" without sense, you come here & argue blindly.

johnw47:
Jesus is the messanger of the covenant, He is also a messanger for His Father
he is also the Christ,

the word angel in the bible is used for a messanger, it is also used for an angelic being



angel
ἄγγελος
aggelos
ang'-el-os
From ἀγγέλλω aggellō to bring tidings; a messenger; an “angel”;

so an angel(Aggelos) is anyone who has a message from God: a messanger, a angel, a pastor etc.



Jesus is Father God's only begotten Son, so the angels and all other beings were created,
if Jesus were an angelic being then so would His Father be who beget Him, smile

Johnw lying Pharisee,your last sentence "if Jesus were an angelic being, so would his Father be" is NOT true.
Can you give orders to your Boss or your own Father?

*** From your Bible give proof that Jesus dish out orders& commands to Yahweh to obey Jesus

Spiritual fraudster johnw twister of the Bible, Jesus has no power to order his God & Father to obey Jesus (John14:28. 7:16.Acts 3:13.)
1cor11:3, angels, Jesus & man, ALL are under Jehovah's authority.
**Proof Jesus is NOT Jehovah God.


****Johnw "so an angel(angellos) is any one who has a message from God: a messenger, angel, a pastor" that is Jesus Christ.

**Pastor from Latin 'pascere'-"meaning shepherd"
Sourced from Chambers 21st Century Dictionary.


" I am the good Shepherd. the good Shepherd(Jesus) lays down his life for his sheep" John 10:11. 3:16.
Spiritual fraudster ,Jesus is NOT God.
U no fit give orders to your Daddy G.O , as Jesus no fit give orders to Jehovah's, you are inferior to your Daddy,as Jesus is inferior to Jehovah ,not equal in rank , authority,position.
Jesus is not Jehovah God.

Janosky:
*** Mr Liar & twister, "The word was with God" na two spirits be that oo.
Crooked twister, "the word became flesh ( John 1:14),the word is a spirit before he became flesh.
God (his Father Yahweh) NEVER became flesh !!!
" No man has ever seen God (Yahweh) AT ANY TIME ( John1:18) The Word is in the bosom of God ,Lazarus was in Abraham's bosom,(Lk16:23) are they one spirit?

Spiritual fraudster carry your scam comot from here.
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johnw47:
who do you believe in, the true Jesus Christ-God in the flesh, john 1:1&14
or a false jesus who is a angel in the flesh

the "Son of God"(man-flesh) is also called "Lord" and "Saviour"(God-Spirit)

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*** Mr Liar & twister, Yahweh said to Moses, by extension to you:
" You CAN NOT see my face, for no one may see my face & live.... my face MUST NOT be seen"
Exodus 33:20,23.

** "No one has seen the Father (the only true God,John 17:3) except the one who is from God, only he has seen the Father" John 6:46.

" For the very work that the Father has given me to finish, which I am doing, testifies that the Father has sent me.... You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, nor does his word dwell in you,for you do not believe the one he sent"
John 5:36-38.
*** "YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD HIS VOICE NOR SEEN HIS FORM....
AT ANY TIME"
PROOF Jesus is NOT God.

Johnw lying Pharisee, Jesus said the truth, his word does not dwell in you, lying virus & Trinity scam
done corrupt your sense.

God ,Yahweh sent the word ,his son & messenger from heaven, na two spirits be that oo !!
Crooked twister Johnw lying Pharisee dey deny & twist the holy scriptures.
( John 1:14),the word is a spirit before he became flesh.
God (his Father Yahweh is spirit) NEVER became flesh !!!
" No man has ever seen God (Yahweh) AT ANY TIME ( John1:18)
**** You don't even understand the holy scriptures,let alone John 1:1.

Spiritual fraudster carry your
Trinity scam comot from here.

johnw47:
confused false jw Janosky

yes Mighty God is a title for Jesus at isa 9:6
and mighty God is also a title for Jehovah at deu 7:21 and elsewhere
Deu_7:21  Thou shalt not be affrighted at them: for the LORD thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible.


there are not two mighty gods like you believe, Mighty God Jesus and the Mighty God Father, laughing

johnw47:
talk about lying and twisting false jw Janosky
you said jesus is mighty god and jehovah is "the" mighty god, ha ha that's two gods that you believe in
read back through the posts

there are not two mighty gods like you believe, Mighty God Jesus and the Mighty God Father, laughing

Johnw lying Pharisee , twister & spiritual fraudster suffering from spiritual dementia.
Trinity scam has corrupted your brain with lying virus & robbed your sense.
Shameless LIARS & confused Pharisees.

"Woe unto those ( johnw & brocab lying Pharisees) who are saying good is bad and bad is good, those who are putting darkness for light & light for darkness"
Isaiah 5:20.

Janosky:
Johnw lying Pharisee ,you been repeating your lies

** Mr Liar & twister "mighty god" or Mighty God is the same thing in both Hebrew & Greek, more so the Bible is OK with it (Gen49:24, Deu7:21,Isaiah 9:6 & Ps82:1,6 KJV).

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Spiritual fraudster carry your scam comot from here.

johnw47:
Isa 43:10  Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. 
Isa 43:11  I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. 
Isa 43:12  I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.


Act 4:10  Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 
Act 4:11  This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 
Act 4:12  Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.




isa: there is no other Saviour but Jehovah

act: neither is there Salvation in any other but Jesus Christ of Nazareth

^^^ christians witnesses this



false jw's don't, and are of course false witnesses

U be correct LIAR.
Isaiah 43:10-12, YHWH Yahweh or Jehovah was wrongly replaced with the title "Lord"

*** Acts 3:13,15
"The God of Abraham Isaac & of Jakob (Yahweh) has glorified his servant/ son Jesus... whom Yahweh raised from the dead".

**** 4th Jamb question:
Brocab lying Pharisee, the name Jesus was "given among men" by whom?
** Come & explain Luke1:31,32. John 3;16,36 & John 5:26.
Spiritual fraudster, brocab deceiving himself.