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[quote author=Mrs.Chima link=topic=586446.msg7543853#msg7543853 date=1295198394]Jenifa, I do not have an honest answer for the reason why African women not marrying nor dating AA men. I do believe white men will most likely to be sought out more because of the representation of wealth that society placed on white men. I am not saying that African women chase white men, but I am saying that in society's eyes AA men are not high on the totem pole when it come to success and prosperity. Any African women want to share the reasons African women and AA men are not in relationships?[/quote]that's my guess too. another point is that African women are not brought up to seek men out or go after men. they are taught to wait on the man. I'm sure this may be similar with AA culture to an extent. I find something wrong with this (in that women aren't free to express themselves) but at the same time I think there is some benefit to it (some of these men they may not be worth it). But i'm confused if the good outweigh the bad. Wow. thanks for the history lesson. I've heard of the GI bill/Great Deal programs being referred to as "white affirmative action" and the stipulations for welfare aid. but i had never heard of a New Age Movement. |
Kadata:obviously you are the one who think they are loose because this is your own comment below (and 677ano's) that I was quoting. Kadata: 677ano: |
lol @ "at the door of death" @topic, do you mean active posters or nairalanders in general? I think average age may depend. I would think the active posters are generally younger |
@mrs chima, in that case, you are aligning AA with african men and doing the same for AA and african women. I see the point. but what do you think about AA men with African women. I don't see a lot of that. do you have a possible explanation? |
roymary:You need to go back and check ur birth certificate. your middle name starts with a N and ends with a E. ![]() |
@mrs chima, I agree with your last sentence. I think black women are some of the strongest in the world (especially outside of africa) in terms of preserving the family.I was reading the news on haiti (fertility rate tripled since the earthquake. partially due to r[size=1pt].[/size]apes after the earthquake) and just wondering how these women survive this. I personally dread becoming a single mother. But I hope I will be able to handle it if it ever happens. And it annoys me to see the very high rates among blacks and what the consequences are for the society and esp. kids Okay. Now that we employed different words, what are your thoughts on my question I asked you? Do you think African society expressed vast emphasis on African women to be less expressive and proactive?I don't see it as a bad thing in terms of sexuality. To me, it's nice for there to be a balance to things. If men are overly expressive and proactive, it's nice for the women to be less expressive. too much of expressiveness and such isn't too nice ex. southern african women are known to be more expressive but there are high rates of HIV rates down there. This may not be correlated but there is a high chance that it is. Northern Muslim states where women are especially restrained have the lowest HIV rates in Africa it seem sexist yes but there might be utilitarian purpose for it in a way that it benefits both sexes. although maybe in an unfair way toward the women. but how do we make things fairer without causing too much damage? |
queensmith:well, you learn a new thing everyday don't ya. I was just speaking on my experience based on the nigerians I know. I don't know any nigerian "single mom" abroad. Unless she was married before and had a divorce. But I know a few white, AA, haiti girls who ended up pregnant by nigerians but no marriage whatsoever. but it's interesting to hear that things are different in other places (like yours for example). hmm again I never mentioned the word "loose" I'm guessing you assumed that based on Kadata's post. I don't know what he's on. Some people are comfortable with being single parents. it could be because they are ok with it not because they are loose or can't keep their legs close. I do not believe that. So my point was that nigerian women are generally not comfortable with that which is why I would assume they are less likely to be open to such arrangements. but that's based on my personal environment though. I know I get harassed by nigerian men all the time but I don't always assume they are attracted to me. I always keep in mind that they may have ulterior motives. 70% of the time, to me they have ulterior motives. lol Otherwise, of course human attraction to the opposite gender is normal. I think Jamo, Akata, Island ladies that OP mention probably also inhabit the same space as african immigrants do. Same neighborhood etc. maybe due to similar income categories. this might contribute to that. there is a familiarity from close association. but I do not think "ancestorship" has anything to do with it. Africans don't consider akatas or jamos to be africans. lol generally they are as different as latinos or asians or white. But there is the connection that we share though and that is mostly when africans are concerned with racism that we experience. that is the uniting factor among us blacks. but I don't think naija men are particularly interested in carribean or akata culture or ancestry. lol in fact they may complain about that. Maybe they like your looks or your looks are comparable to african women or find you more approachable. again it goes back to sexual appeal. it's interesting to hear your view anyway. esp. the nigerian single moms thing. |
Kadata:in what part of my post did I mention the word 'loose'? I never said AAs were loose. I do not think they are. Why do you interpret my comment to mean that AAs are loose? [quote author=MzD@rkSkin link=topic=586446.msg7543169#msg7543169 date=1295188850]This is the SECOND time you have said something shysty about us. You have a problem with akatas? (I am half "Akata", and extremely offended by that line). You ever ask yourself the role the men play in their lives? what makes them have to endure such treatment and predicaments? Let's not get ignorant on here because the last time I checked neither myself or Chima came on here to start a cyber beef with Naija women or bring up stereotypes. I knew plenty of African women who are single (some WELL into their 30's-40's) and some who are single mothers - believe it or not a couple of them are Nigerian, it's not so much their fault but things happen, and I don't judge them, rather I respect them for taking care of their business.[/quote]I guess the term "baby mama" is now offensive. wrong word of choice. I mean "single mom." A single mom doesn't mean she's loose. it could mean that a guy probably took advantage of her or left her. At least, that's the way I see it in a lot of cases. A lot of times the victim is unaware of the guy's intention. Anyways, the bottom line of my point is that you women should be careful. Men are attracted to women for a reason. You just have to be careful |
iice:i know right? hahahaha I wonder if she's even nigerian at all. I think she came on the wrong forum |
Who said there are no teenage pregnancy among Naija girls/women? high abortion rate?where do you live? Nigerian women abroad definitely do not have high unmarried pregnancy rates and children outside of marriage. if they are aborting any babies, well good riddance. to me, it's more about values. What would it benefit us if we became more "sexually expressive" and "less frigid" like akatas? won't it just lead it us becoming single moms and baby mamas like them? Kadata sums it up best: Kadata:men are simply more attracted to the girls they have the best shot at sleeping with and knocking up. lol |
can we stay on topic plz ![]() |
i dont mind my boyfriend calling me whitey or whatever. his favourite topic seems to be the superiority of a black manliness over a white one. i laugh inside over how superficial it is but i let him talk since it s making him feel better.@oyinbo85 hahahaha your boyfriend is a nutcase. are you sure he is not on nairaland? I think he might be roymary in disguise. |
iice:yes definitely. In some instances the husband still resist the hindrances that the dominant culture poses and still want their wife and kids to adopt the nigerian culture. it is just very hard if you live in a society like US. how can one expect their kids to learn the language, expect the wife to become more nigerian etc unless you move to nigeria. otherwise, your wife's family/culture will just swallow yours up. and we nigerians are usually against that. it's so tricky. but i agree with you, in some instances it's possible [quote author=n-guage link=topic=586092.msg7540482#msg7540482 date=1295129735]Lol I can't criticize until I really understand it. I agree with you that the wife is usually the one that has to adapt to the husband's culture. But there's an exception when the Nigerian husband married to a foreign lady also lives in his wife's country. Consequently, the man now has 2 reasons to adapt to his wife's culture: 1. Adapting to his spouse's culture helps the relationship (less important) 2. By adapting to his wife's culture he is also adapting to his new environment (more important) The foreign wife only has 1 reason to adapt to the Nigerian man's culture and a less important one at that. That's my own theory for the exception. I have a feeling we're saying the same thing but I would love to understand your theory better especially the part about matriarchal and patriarchal dominated cultures.[/quote]yea we are ultimately saying the same thing. what my confusion was is that oversees, nigerian men are more likely to marry foreign wives than nigerian women are. and this goes against the pattern i've noticed (the theory is just what I use to explain the pattern for myself) Patriarchy is a social system in which the role of the male as the primary authority figure is central to social organization, and where fathers hold authority over women, children, and property. It implies the institutions of male rule and privilege, and is dependent on female subordination. In a patriarchy, the man wants to keep his culture or family going so he hesitates from marrying a foreign woman in a foreign country. where as in a matriarchy (like the African Americans where the woman is the head of household), I can see why the man is more likely to marry outside than the woman. the male isn't really needed to keep the family going. It is also normal that men who marry western wives try to copy western men in typical western relationships.this comment of yours is what striked me because that isn't what you would typically expect a nigerian man to do because our culture is strongly patriarchical. the man doesn't assimilate into his wife's family. it is usually vice versa. lol so in essense we were basically saying the same thing. it just struck me what immigration does to a society/culture. |
[quote author=n-guage link=topic=586092.msg7539910#msg7539910 date=1295122984]This is a very interesting theory[/quote]lol. yup I was looking for criticism actually. |
moderattor:true. A better teacher ought to be teaching in that situation. |
I agree that corruption is prevalent in the nigerian govt and culture in general. but I don't think that the average 14 yr old is thinking about getting rich and buying plot of land. or thinking about how governors and legislators are robbing the masses and how they want to emulate them. ex. how can you say corrupt governors are causing them to cheat. are primary school students carrying expo too? if a child didn't have these things that you mention below: I was raised/am being raised in a home where serious stress is laid on academics,a home where my dad bought my first Hadley Chase novel for me when i was in pry 4, a home where i am encouraged/urged to explore my mental capacities to the fullest extent possible. Do most Nigerian kids have that? I don't think so.how can they compete in exams with students like you? what should they do to pass without expo? To me, that's where the govt should come in. That's the point of having a free public education program so that disadvantaged children can also get a fair shot at being educated but the current system is not working to achieve this end. I think the solution is to improve the education system especially nursery and primary school as this is the crucial foundation for developing a child academically. It's hard for a student to start in secondary school if a foundation is missing. There was an article in the New York times a few weeks back. I'm not sure if you keep up with international news but they were comparing 15 yr old students from different countries on a single exam called PISA. US students scores were comparatively low in relation to it's income. This is because there is a wide gap in American education system. the masses are receiving poor quality education. It's a topic of huge debate currently in America. Finland came out tops. China also did very well obviously, and the education system there is very rigorous. These are quotes from news articles on the PISA exam about China and Finland: The results [china's] also appeared to reflect the culture of education there, including greater emphasis on teacher training and more time spent on studying rather than extracurricular activities like sports. “That said, China is taking education very seriously. The work ethic is amazingly strong.” "Also, in recent years, teaching has rapidly climbed up the ladder of preferred occupations in China, and salaries have risen. In Shanghai, the authorities have undertaken important curricular reforms, and educators have been given more freedom to experiment." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/education/07education.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2 Finnish youth, like their U.S. counterparts, also waste hours online. They dye their hair, love sarcasm and listen to rap and heavy metal. But by ninth grade they're way ahead in math, science and reading -- on track to keeping Finns among the world's most productive workers. One explanation for the Finns' success is their love of reading. Parents of newborns receive a government-paid gift pack that includes a picture book. Some libraries are attached to shopping malls, and a book bus travels to more remote neighborhoods like a Good Humor truck. Finland's high-tax government provides roughly equal per-pupil funding, unlike the disparities between Beverly Hills public schools, for example, and schools in poorer districts.The gap between Finland's best- and worst-performing schools was the smallest of any country in the PISA testing. The U.S. ranks about average. Finnish educators believe they get better overall results by concentrating on weaker students rather than by pushing gifted students ahead of everyone else. The idea is that bright students can help average ones without harming their own progress. Finnish students have little angstata -- or teen angst -- about getting into the best university, and no worries about paying for it. College is free. There is competition for college based on academic specialties -- medical school, for instance. But even the best universities don't have the elite status of a Harvard. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120425355065601997.html if you step back and look at the big picture, you will see that the top scoring countries are ones with socialist policies (equality policies) while the low scoring high income countries are more capitalist (hands off approach). keep in mind the later article was culled from WSJ. a conservative paper. so there is no agenda involved. |
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[quote author=MzD@rkSkin link=topic=586446.msg7539704#msg7539704 date=1295119766][color=#0055bb]Meaning? what does this have to do with them liking or disliking them?[/color][/quote]did you read the last sentence of my post? men flirt with women that are more likely to respond better to their advances. If I know that an akata woman will respond better to my flirting i will ask her out, where as if I know that a naija girl will roll her eyes at me if I try it with her, I will better not go there. and we all know what the union of a man and a woman leads to: baby lol not necessarily marriage. |
seun0622:you make a good point. @topic, I don't think they are necessarily "more attracted" to jamo, akata, islander women, white, latino or whatever race etc. Just that these women are "easier" and I don't mean "easy" in a derogatory way. I mean easy as in more openminded and "sexy" I guess. like this poster i'm quoting has said. A lot of Nigerian women, from experience, know not to believe most of these guys "toasting" and ignore them. they are just trying to hit and run if you know what I mean. 90% of the time, they will say the same thing to the next girl they meet ![]() we know these things because we grew up with them and know them inside out. lol One thing you should keep in mind is that Nigerian women abroad have very low rate of teenage pregnancy/ single parenthood etc. compared to jamo, akata, islander women and the likes. and the idea of "baby mama" etc isn't in nigerian woman's vocabulary. I think men are more likely to go for women that will respond better to their advances not women who are likely to turn them down. |
Atreides:mtchew see your head like coconut. see how this kid of nowadays is talking to her aunty. ![]() anyways, answer your own question. if you were made minister of education tomorrow, how would you encourage Nigerian kids to re-prioritize? |
the more this topic goes on, the more I believe it's a view point and perspective issue. @atreides, why do 80% of nigerian students have low priorities? why were your priorities higher than theirs? what made you special? i'm curious. |
Kobojunkie:hahaha. I thought that too that it can't be. but I just let it slide. ![]() I mean if in under 10 yrs since I left, all JSS3 student can now afford smartphones and 24/7 internet browsing, our economy must have improved beyond what is being let on. Nigerians must be enjoying not suffering abeg. ![]() in my time sha, after school, I came back home to fetch water, run errands and do housework here and there between homework and readings. esp. since I was the only girl. I didn't have time for all the distractions our lady here is talking about. and when I did, I took full advantage. I was a kid afterall. ![]() some of my classmates were street hawkers. some were househelps (can you believe), many I just can't imagine that they can afford all the luxuries this girl was listing as the cause of their failure. lol but I'll let it slide because different life and personal experiences give rise to differing opinions. |
^yea i know it's true. i just didn't want to hurt any feelings. but i'm glad u know the reality. lollol ![]() |
tensor777:well they didn't ![]() These are all stuff I didn't know at all. I'm sure they would have told us more during and after registration but I don't think students can be prepared well enough for it. Especially not me or the students I went to school with. maybe in model colleges and federal colleges but certainly not local colleges. how many months are there between registration and the exam? I wish there were by school statistics for the exam. I really am curious to know. I would also love to know what proportion of students attend federal/state/local govt schools. I already have an idea in my mind but it will be nice to know for sure. |
tensor777:I can only speak for JSS level here. lol someone mentioned that there are several months between registration and waec. how many months are there? Does following WAEC syllabus start upon registration? I left during registration period. but we never did anything related to WAEC prior. like i said, no teacher ever came to our class and mentioned the word WAEC. we heard of it from the admins who are in charge of collecting registration fees. maybe preparation did start after registration. I cannot know that i guess. but if a school can't prepare us for final exams, I feel that they can't prepare us well enough for WAEC. High fail rates isn't surprising to me. at least not for the school I attended. |
tensor777:you've taken the WAEC before. tell me, why is the passing score so difficult to achieve? I don't think one should have to prep like no tomorrow to have to barely pass. if a student attends class regularly and understands the subject matter well enough, they should be able to pass with an average score. not fail. unless their IQ is really low but I don't think 80% of naija students fall under this category. IMO, students are not being taught the content of the waec exams in class!! especially in the local schools and I blame the govt for that. I didn't take the WAEC but I took final exams (well duh. lol), these are govt/ state wide exams by the way, and always failed with lots of red marks on my report card. I was too young then and didn't think much of it. I cared more about my ranking which was always first position. But when I was old enough to think about it, well if i failed, it meant that the whole class failed!! how can that be possible? 100% fail rate. are we still blaming the students? ![]() |
justwise:hahha u mean they cry on the shoulders of the "nice guy" and move on to the next "bad guy" to repeat their mistake? i'm joking |
what a fool |
@Jenifa_I'm glad you admit that you find excuses for him. I guess what you are looking for is a way to change him and make him faithful to you. Trust me, you don't want to go there. there is they saying that goes (and i'm totally paraphrasing lol) "after marriage, women wonder why their husbands refuse to change and men wonder why their wives have changed" ie. while the woman is wondering why her husband hasn't kicked his bad habits and become a more perfect husband, the man is wondering why his formerly perfect wife has gained weight, nag more etc. lol i'm sure you don't want to end up in this frustration. I say you ask him about the condoms. look for a way to make it seem as if you stumbled on them by accident ie you were cleaning his place or something. find a trick. better to do this now than wait until 10 yrs down the road then he will start seeing you as a nagging wife. |
[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=582709.msg7538460#msg7538460 date=1295102332]For certain schools, an additional exam/oral is required. I think that was the case for queens college.[/quote]@tensor, I guess this was the federal "common entrance" exam then. it's been many yrs ago so I don't remember all the details. but I hope I made my point. |
tensor777:many students in urban areas have problems in english language too. you'd be surprised. many of my classmates were semi-illiterate and this was lagos. tensor777:there is only one common entrance exam as far as I know. It is the exam you take at the end of primary school and your scores determine what secondary school you attend. Many take the exam in pry 5 but some take it in pry 6. In my alma mater for example, my pry 6 class was half the size of pry 5 because many students left the school after pry 5. but it doesn't matter. either wa, the exam is required to get into a federal school and you have to score above a certain mark to get in. also, the state you are from determines your cut off mark for each school. ex. 480 could be the cut off mark for students from osun state trying to get into Ijaniki (a federal governent school in iforgotwhere lol). For certain schools, an additional exam/oral is required. I think that was the case for queens college. lots of students are weeded out in the process. so many students at federal colleges are brighter first of all. and I will also go on to say that the teacher salary and qualifications are higher for federal govt college teachers than for local schools where the rest and majority of students in the public school system end up in. If you attended a local secondary school in naija, you may understand that this is were the bulk of the waec failers are. believe me when I say I was in JSS3 and didn't know anything about waec until they called us to register for it. many of my classmates were semi-illiterate as I already mentioned with no hope of passing any exam whatsoever. even if they studied which I completely doubt, they will not understand what they are studying ![]() As for your next point of students self teaching themselves, well the point I am making is that it is the sole responsibility of the student to ensure that she revises thoroughly for WAEC exams. This involves covering the syllabus and working through a representative sample of past exam papers in each and every exam they are registered for .If I don't study for my exam, I will get a C which is a bad grade but still a pass. On the other hand, If I don't attend class at all and i'm totally clueless, then I get a fail. Then if I study hard and cram, I get an A+. get my logic? studying and cramming like there is no tomorrow should be used to achieve a stellar score not to achieve the bare minimum passing score. Not all students are overachieving scholars and not all we be. you cannot fault the students for that. but what's the point of attending classes at all then if all you need to do to pass is buy past exams and cram the answers plz enlighten me. is the content of the waec exam being taught in class? |
fstranger abi ki lo tin pe e, i have no comment for you. |
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