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Seconded!

SOUTH EAST: IS IT NOT TOO LATE?

I have read the recent transmissions by Senator Bukola Saraki directed at my Igbo tribe. I have deliberately kept mum on this as I had earlier resolved to speak less on Igbos as regards the 2019 Elections and 2023 Presidency having said quite a bit. 

However seeing as some of my brethren have swallowed the cheap bait, I will chip this in just to keep the reality before us, at least for posterity sake. Truth is bitter but it's still the best medicine. 

My people say; 'He who does not remember where the rain started beating him, will not remember where it stopped'. 

REWIND TO 2014. 
A new National Party was being conceived. Political Parties, political players and Regions were being wooed to the new alliance. 

'We' Igbos (read South East) vehemently refused to touch it even with a long pole. We packaged, sold to ourselves and bought the baseless propaganda that it was an Islamic alliance that would birth an "Islamic" and "Hausa" Party. Simply because those our brethren heavily invested in the PDP at the time were afraid of losing their vested selfish interests.
Till today I'm still trying to fathom the basis for that wicked and twisted deceit especially as many of those Igbo elites who sold that dummy have since ported to the same APC.

We failed to even identify with that new Alliance. Hence the Party, APC was birthed without any remarkable input from us or presence. The few amongst us who aligned were called all kinds of names and abused to high heavens by us even when they were proven right afterall.

Thus the few Igbos who were part of it were at best fringe players as they didn't have the required clout to make serious demands and do the necessary political wheeling and dealing required in Politics to strike the hard bargains since politics is all about interests and numbers. They were even suspect, so much so that it was only their personal political sagacity that gave them whatever they got.

That Party went on to win the Presidential Election which in truth, most of us never believed it could or would, because of our half baked permutations and poor understanding of Nigerian politics. But it did. 

Curiously we turned up at the fore front of telling this same Party how it should share it's 'spoils of war'. We became hypocritical moral champions with an over bloated sense of entitlement. Who does that, in all political reality and practicality? But we did, even while vehemently and vociferously still refusing to shift our position, style and rhethoric.

We dug in. Supported every bad thing and person against the Party, the elected President and the Administration while denying any and every good done to and for our Region.

Fast forward to where we are today. Almost four years after the 2015 misadventure, we have stayed put at 2015, refusing to move forward, refusing to shift grounds, refusing to play pragmatic politics, telling ourselves the same lies we cooked and bought in 2015 and some more. 

Now after election, we have started again saying "APC cannot give Presidency to Igbos in 2023". "Buhari cannot hand over to an Igbo man because Buhari hates Igbos". "APC is deceiving you", bla bla bla.

Of course. We will believe Saraki, who has only but a fanthom dream of becoming President and whose only known record is selfishness but we can't believe Buhari who's already President and who has a record of voluntarily picking two great Igbo sons as running mates in the past? Chukwu aju.

It is interesting and vital to note here that the PDP which many of us still proudly support and adore was in power for 16 solid years and in those years there were 4 Presidential Inaugurations and on none of those was an Igbo man found worthy by the PDP of even Vice Presidency and we are still bold to say it is the APC that has not even finished one tenure that doesn't want to give power to Igbos. Odi nma. 

NOW; Seriously, let's be sincere. As things stand today politically, why would the APC even hand power to us Igbos in 2023? 
On what grounds? 
On what records?
On what politics?
Is power given to anyone? 
Is it an appeasement or a gift? 

The APC is a political party. The main focus of a political Party is to hold power and keep it to enable it deliver on its agenda. So if the APC reads that the SE does not want the Presidency or does not have the capacity to help them win and keep power, they will stick with the regions that can and work with individuals who are interested. 

Make no mistake, I have always said, I do not blame us Igbos for the decision majority of us took in 2015. It's our right. But continuing to pretend that it was other regions, Buhari or the APC that made us do what we did then or remain where we are today is purely self deceit and I refuse to play that ostrich game. 

As far back as 2014, I and many others made that argument that Igbo Presidency was very feasible in 2023, ONLY under under the APC, ONLY IF we did a couple of things right politically. I personally continued to speak loudly on that even after the 2015 elections until when I realized that we were not ready to play the politics that was required and now I dare say it may be too late. Or is it not? Time will tell.

For now, we can continue to tell ourselves that we cannot hold the Presidency of Nigeria. We heard and read many of our brethren go from PDP to Biafra/seccesion (read IPOB) to Referendum to "Igbos do not need Presidency but Restructuring" etc forgetting that all that didn't lie squarely with us alone. We think other regions are not reading our body language?

We really don't care what Saraki writes or says because they've all come to realize that it's very easy to play us like a flute. So like Saraki, like Fani Kayode, like Fayose, like Atiku, even Jonah Jang of all people, they keep playing us.

We have learnt not to bother ourself anymore to avoid unnecessary arguements with nonentities
As some of us have said, it's good governance we want, even if only one village will be producing the Presidents. So be it..

Ka Chineke mezie okwu.

J.I


Only a sensible person like you can ever see sense in this.
Glad to see we still have intelligent people with a sound mind like you around.
God bless you.
God bless Nigeria.

well articulated views, however the reality of present day Nigeria and of the foreseeable future is that Igbo presidency will not be of much benefit to the Igbo nation, beyond the very limited psychological satisfaction of finally having a president of Igbo extraction. The Igbo nation will thrive better in a restructured Nigeria irrespective of where the president comes from. THAT IS THE TRUTH. TRUTH WILL ALWAYS TRIUMPH AND TRUTH IS OUR STRUGGLE. KEEP YOUR PRESIDENCY

Not entirely correct with regards to Arsenal's point tally, considering that VAR admitted that sokratis injury time goal against crystal palace should not have been disallowed

Marry the attractive secretary, give am belle sharp sharp, then travel overseas and cohabite with the ugly one and enjoy some dollars/ pounds/euros

My name should be the first on this list, we cannot accept this

tesppidd:
Take it from me;

In our current Democratic structure and dispensation, it is practically impossible for any Nigerian President to go against their appointees and croonies.

Lol..

Imagine Buhari using the EFCC to go against Tinubu, Amaechi, El Rufai, Malami, Magu, Akpabio, Sylva, Wike, Oshiomole and hundreds of others.

And perhaps half of the Senate.. .

And half of the judiciary.....

(We all know how much corrupt elements we have in these places)

Now tell me sincerely; Will Buhari survive another 6 months on seat?
(It's a goddammn democracy not an autocracy)

What you guys ask of Buhari is practically IMPOSSIBLE.

90 percent of the politicians with any form of electoral value have been involved in one act of corruption or another.
The few Nigerians who could be "clean" have got little or no electoral value and they cannot win an election for Mr President.


Bro this is the sad fact in our country.

If Buhari has to go against his appointees and croonies he'd have to go against 90 percent of them.
They shall fight back! And He will not be President.

The only way that Buhari or any President can fight this fight the way you guys want is by becoming a military head of state all over again.

No President can emerge in the Nigeria of today without 70 percent of these corrupt elements on your side.

Of course they'll fight back, but Buhari will be assured of the support of majority of Nigerians, including those from the eastside. Most Nigerians are yearning for good leadership irrespective of it's primordial source.The so called electoral value of these corrupt elements, I can assure you will be meaningless when confronted with the mass movement in support of good leadership

PediakAuthor:
I will give this brand a trial someday...

But there are only two types of phone in the world ...

The one I'm using and the others...

seems I also use the one you are using. We know quality phones

ChoCho54:
Any lady that encounters mandigo must go aaaaahh

Now, I realize why ladies go aaaaaah on me .Tanx for the illumination

omenka:
Watch the people from that part of Nigeria he once referred to as criminals and supporters of Party of Tax Collectors come throw tantrums and curse the man to hell and back over this innocuous gesture.

Hateful bigoted invalids.

seems to me, you are the one throwing tantrums, never seen so much hate in so few words, bros move on, vile words hurts both ways

HoliMaree:
Saying Nigerian doctors are bad is an understatement, they are murderers in White Jackets

my guess is that right now ,they are quite busy murdering lots of unfortunate CORVID 19 victims in various isolation centers. Tanx for blowing the whistle on them

HoliMaree:
Nigerian Doctors are the most useless set of doctors I've ever seen in my life. They are despicable. I find them egoistical, proud and unrefined. They lack empathy, they are unprofessional and they don't know their job. I wish they will all be sacked and we can have foreigners doing their job until we get it right.

seems you've got beef with Nigerian doctors, I believe you've been seeing foreign doctors the few times you were probably sick, since all of them are bad

The ones putting their life and that if their loved one's in Lagos and other parts of the country are from the moon abi, your post lacks objectivity and smacks of sentiment

XANDERBOY85:
My sentiments too!

Greedy and arrogant Nigerian doctors think every day would be Christmas when they would be taking advantage of poor, vulnerable individuals! Now they've been called upon to live up to their hypocratic oath more than ever before, they've all scaled the back fence and gone AWOL!

[quoteT author=Witcher post=87351920]"The choice before Nigerians in the coming elections is simple: A choice between going forward or going backwards; between the new ways and old ways and old ways; between freedom and repression; between a record of visible achievements and beneficial reforms - and desperate power- seekers with empty promise. "

Goodluck Jonathan, 19th February, 2015.

That's how GEJ lied to us in 2015, now the result is opposite we have a perfect president. Who literally make Nigeria great in all ways. With perfect administration working like a fine-tune machine.

Very useless and senseless perceptions, if it could be the case what happened when Jonathan was trying to arrest Sunusi but Kwankwaso being Alfa and omega led him became a king Does Jonathan haven’t any privileges to stop him from being a king as a number one in Nigeria? why is it that Kwankwaso is becoming clueless and trying to instal hate for Buhari to the great people of Kano? Only in Nigeria that a red-handed criminal would escape all trials an later on he will persecute the innocent one, only in Nigeria that you will come across a matured fourty years plus, in support of that Same criminals, who are the source of their hardship and sufferness. Only in Nigeria that you would had that Police are not control by the state governors, I wonder who's permission did the police used to Arrest Emir, sunusi, maybe they are from the other planet. Hmmm[/quote]Tried the best I could to make sense out of this, alas my best wasn't good enough

Rosskii:
Speak for yourself. You are a liar. America ''destroyed the prosperity and happinnes of Persia'' by its deposition of the elected Iranian leader in the 1970s which led to the Iranian revolution and the rise of the Ayatollahs.

wrong info bro, the Iranians were ruled by the shah of Iran, actively supported by America until he was toppled by ayatollah Khomeini in the late seventies

Ma name surely gonna be on that list soon with the frequency i keep hitting the jackpot every weekend on bet9ja

TMKsouth:
Some idiot on another thread just told me all our Grammy's were won by whites. Apparently us ugly black xenophobes are not good at anything.

I like my opponents dumb like that.

jokes apart BLACK SOUTH AFRICANS are actually dumb, take away the whities and SA will look like a poorly maintained drug infested New York style ghetto with naija overlords

Freemanbobble:
Shut up
Almost all Nigerian artiste are untalented and they drop rubbish for us to listen to
For the fact that those songs hit 20 million views doesn't mean those songs were dope
Most people just viewed it just to see another rubbish dropped by this untalented fucckkkers

The only people with talent are 2face and Burna boy

spot on my guy, but you forgot the most talented and cerebral of them all BRYMO

mytime24:
I thought kofi Kingston is frm jamaica oooh

you are absolutely right, the Kofi name is actually part of the script, nothing wrong in honoring the country you borrowed a name from

davillian:
Looks like pay back time
My kind of revenge , when you think you have worked and want to enjoy the fruit of your labour
That's when I come for my pound of flesh.

looks like some dude will also come for his own pound of flesh someday, hope you will be ready when they come

kingemzy5:
please advice me am about to do such Am in pains serious pains the only thing on my mind right now is what can I use to commit suicide..... it's a long story but I will break it down
It all happened when I found this apple of my eyes her name (I dream of unicorn) so after we dated for like 2 months I dumped her and went for oil pussy so after that I dumped that one and went for another chick Cynthiakiss... Right now each and everyone of them are threatening to unleash spiritual attacks on me and what I do hear from people that are victims of spiritual attack is that it's very bad.... so before they unleash it on me lemme kuku commit suicide...... I can't take it anymore it's really painful please I need your advice

just find a spiritualy strong hoe, bleep her like she's never been bleeped before, her aura will surely protect you

Idokoegbunu:
This Is Why U Dont Know Anytin, Ronaldo Is From Abia State

Ha ha ha, surprised that many people don't know where I come from. I am neither from aba or Japan. One 'INCONCLUSIVE' for anyone that knows my origin

BlacSmit:
This people should stop all this rubbish! Have they seen my pictures??! I look like Ronald!

Do I brag about it? No!

you just did, and funny enough you actually look like him, only problem is your quite remarkable bow leg

alBHAGDADI:
People who speak against giving of firstfruits love to act like the Bible doesn't contain anything about giving firstfruits. It clearly shows that they don't even read their Bible. They know nothing but act like they know it all.

Firstfruits also means firstlings. Below is Abel giving his firstling to God who got pleased by the act.

Genesis 4:4
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:


Below is the book of wisdom advising you to honor God with your firstfruit.

Proverbs 3:9
9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
10 So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.


All who are against giving firstfruit to God are the same people against tithing. Yet they love to boast about freewill giving. Do they think the dirty N100 note they squeeze into the offering plate is what is enough to even power a Church's generator? When was the last time you gave God anything above 10%? I doubt you did such this year. Yet you sit down in an air-conditioned church, enjoy the music and the nourishing word of God without blessing God in return. Don't you know that the activities in the church is powered by other people's firstfruits?

You might say why does God need your money. He doesn't need your money, he only needs his own money. That money which you claim is yours is not really yours because everything on earth belongs to God. He gave you the money and wants just a small fraction from it. Some might also say they never saw God while they were working hard for the money, so why should they believe he gave them the money. If God had stroke you dead or caused you to be sacked, would you be counting the money? Don't you know that there are people better qualified for that job of yours than you, yet God let you have it?

If you don't pay your tithe or firsrfruits, don't worry you will still pay it later. God has a way of getting what belongs to him.

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord

Mark 12:17
And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

Since you don't want to give willingly what belongs to God, then he will take it out of you in one way or another. Let me tell you a story about the children of Israel. God told them to farm on the land for 6years then allow the land to rest on the 7th year. They disobeyed God and ignored his commandment. God left them alone for a while, which possibly must have made them feel God was bluffing when he gave the command.

Do you know what God did? He calculated all the 7th year they disregarded and it all amounted to 70 years. He now made the King of Babylon to take the children of Israel away from their land and into captivity in Babylon for 70years. That way, the land rested for 70years after which the children of Israel were now freed from captivity and returned to their land.

If you fail to give God, he will take it out of you. It's the same as a child saying she won't wash the dishes are parents told her to wash. Well, the kid will get spanked and still wash the dish. God can make you fall terribly sick such that the first fruits you were supposed to give him will be spent on medical bills. It could be common cough that will hey you hospitalized and make you spend that much. Perhaps your car breaking down regularly to the extent that you become a meal ticket to mechanics. The good part is that the doctors who treat you and the mechanics might be tithe or first fruit payers. That's how your money will end up with God even after you've been spanked.

The grouse most of those who kick against firstfruits have is mostly regarding the life of opulence pastors of today live. That's why they grumble at giving their money to such people. Well, if your pastor falls into such category, then go look for another church e.g a Baptist Church where accountability is high. We can't throw away the baby with the bath water because some pastors abuse and enrich themselves with first fruits.

If you don't want to Pay tithe or firstfruits, then it's between you and God. Just don't go about trying to persuade others from paying.

#Notice

I'm not a pastor neither do I own a church. I'm just an ordinary Nairalander like everyone else. My only mission is to protect God's business. Yes, God has a business and that business is the house of God. Ever wondered why Jesus told Mary and Joseph that he had to be by his father's business?


Luke 2:49
And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

Giving to God is not only when you provide material resources within the confines of a ministry, would rather prefer using our resources to make our community better than we met it, we are all made in God's image, and what better way to to serve God than to take care of his creation irrespective of faith and race. We are all here as solutions for each other in life's challenges, so when you are in that little /big office and you do your job to the glory of God, my friend you have given more than first fruit and tithe

Offpoint:
Please how can I volunteerly join the Nigeria army? I want to test some Boko Haram blood. I'm serious about this, I'm fearless, I don't give a fûck about Death, I'm willing to go down with many Boko Haram as possible.
All I need is a good weapon and 2 fearless soldiers with me. I'm taking the fight to their camp, I don't care if I'm coming back alive or dead.... I'm serious, if there's anyone here who can link me up. I'm not interested in any payment, I just want to test their blood.

Bros, I de ur side, anytime you are ready, i am good to go, checking my grandfather's hunting rifle and catapult

oluwatosink:

So what His next step now?

next step?. Dude should keep the money somewhere very safe, will definitely need it in the coming days as BIAFRA is inevitable

BlackPeni5:
Not at all. Only 20% of Nigerian doctors practicing in Nigeria are competent.
Na God dey protect us here.

next time you are sick, visit the competent trado-medical practitioner next door,pray or travel abroad, that way you get to avoid the 80% incompetent Nigerian doctors

Nonsense, not in your wildest imagination is this possible. Trust me on this, pics were probably lifted from a porn site and a very unimaginative script written. Believe this and you will believe that Buhari will not run for re election next year

[quote author=Butterflyleo post=70648362]Good JOB FG.Surprised to see sections of enugu-portharcourt express in the list considering i drove the whole length just last week with no active work in any section, guess it's just like in previous administrations where work is always ongoing in paper, for what it's worth, i am neither a wailer or a zombie, I am just an objective Nigerian who desires that things are done the right way

[quote author=Butterflyleo post=70648362]Good JOB FG.

Some are already calling it INVISIBLE projects of all time nonsense without even going through them to see that a lot of the projects were awarded long before PMB and some awarded during the last regime as well as the ones PMB awarded himself.

He has now taken on the huge task of finishing up on projects which were awarded some 6 to 12 years ago and left abandoned by previous governments as well as handling his own awarded projects.

I suppose those who are already calling them invisible projects are also referring to past governments who awarded and abandoned theirs while PMB is busy cleaning up their abandoned mess.

Bunch of wailing rètards!!!/quote]Surprised to see sections of enugu-portharcourt express in the list considering i drove the whole length just last week with no active work in any section, guess it's just like in previous administrations where work is always ongoing in paper, for what it's worth, i am neither a wailer or a zombie, I am just an objective Nigerian who desires that things are done the right way

Ejimagift:
It's still a failed invention since they didn't get the biafra they crave for. I just pity this generation of ipobs disturbing the social media with threats of biafra when war couldn't bring biafra. Instead of fighting for igbo presidency, they are looking at a biafra that will never come

Igbo presidency my foot, majority of Igbos would rather have a a restructured Nigeria, otherwise it's only a question of time and BIAFRA will materialize

buhariguy:
Who take that intellectual lazy idiotic pig of Biafra serious.

Because of these idiotic pig I stop reading vanguard for the past ten year.
I was actually expecting this from these pig.
I knew he won't be able to sleep since the pronouncements.

My guy, i can see that you are so intellectually proficient, that you can make the number of grammatical faux pas in your little thesis above, just wondering whether there's a connection with your profile name

omohayek:
The enlightened, open-minded and educated viewpoint that her family possesses is what allows her to wear said attire, while you, burdened as you are with so much bitterness, write your puerile tribalistic, semi-literate rubbish from whatever sh*thole "face me I face you" in which you're residing (and doing so on a cheap, nasty, second-hand Chinese phone, no doubt).

I am full blown igbo, love your comment and the passion i feel in it, some people can't see beyond their tribalistic nose and behold the beauty in humanity

kolawoleibukun:
na small small the thing day spread oh. you see if I talk people go quote me insult me. these muslims are very bad. all over the world they cannot live among others. they are always aggressive and contentious. they cannot cohabit with any other religion. Some are nice but the nice one are the most evil because their silence is what breeds the evil once.

they do not care about the life of one Christian. life means nothing to them. weda you are atheist, traditionalist, Christian, budshist, hindu, shingo, they do not care. as long as you are not muslim they will kill you and celebrate. there is nothing like a good muslim. the only good muslim is the one who condemns the evil done by his fellow members.

look at how they kill the Shiites. they hate the Shiites that believe even in the same allah. just a little difference intheir doctrines yet they hate them. talk more of you. they do not care.

look at what they did to the jews in Sudan. go to google and research for yourself about the jews in sudan. after they lost the arab war, they attacked the jews and killed as many as they could the rest of them ran away from their father's land. they killed them all. the religion is built on blood. brutal and forceful. in Saudi arabia they have police that will force you to pray to allah. the police in other gcc countries check your ID before entering the church. if you are muslim they will arrest you. the religion is by force. I have met many muslims who have confessed to me that they do not believe in allah. that they want to be free. they are all seeking ways out of their countries to be free and not to be killed.

many muslims who have fled their countries are now atheists. even those in free countries are scared of their lives. in London and in France they have a large community there. they are hostile. and they are very dirty. the like nomadic lifestyles. yet they steal to live large.

the yoruba muslims also get killed when the northerners strike. they do not care. they do not even consider the Yoruba muslims as real muslims. the religion is built on sex and blood. imagine how they cut people;s hands and legs. and what do they do with the legs?

imagine one came online asking for donation for a one legged man. instead of campaigning to put an end to amputation of arms and limbs he is asking for money to start poultry business for a man who spoke with the president. is that not scam?

president called him from London and Osinbajo is here in Aso rock he cannot invite him?

if you have ever been to Saudi arabia or lived there you can understand what I am saying. everyone lives in fear. you cannot build churches in their countries but they want to build mosques everywhere. if people treat you guys the way you treat them you muslims will deplete from the earth. why are they so wicked?

my problem is that all these pastors will keep quiet without saying a word. none of all the imams will ever come out to condemn this evil act. they will say that they are not supporting the guys. come out and clearly state that these boys are not muslims and anywhere they are caught that they should be burned. they are celebrating in secret that a Christian died.

oyakhilome chris okotie, lazarus, oyedepo, adeboye, deeper life etc all dem keep quiet. none will come out. they are all serving the same god.
the worse of all is that the pope himself will never come out to condemn something like this.

but if muslims are killed the pope will issue a statement immediately. they are all freemasons. those are not Christians. and you will see people supporting them and attacking me. tell your pastor to use his office to speak out..

When Freeze speak these pastors will respond. so they hear? so they see? if they can all respond to Freeze, why are they silent when Christians are killed? where is Zack orji? where is Dbanj? where is that prostityoot insulting freeze? they all have cataract in their eyes now and they have buharia in their ears.

Kemi olunloyo talk pastor gather her. they showed their strength. they have office when common man talks. but look at what muslims are doing. none of them came out. the imam and the pastors are worshipping the same allah(satan). they are demons.

people are typing RIP. for what?

they will forget this story very soon. look at what happened to ese oruru. that other girl is still missing. sotay the emir knew where ese oruru was and he kept quiet. he is also supporting all these atrocities

Guy , I feel your pain, this country is sitting on a time bomb