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From the book: FREEDOM OF CHOICE

THE FIRST BIG STEP

We have just agreed that Life is much more difficult to create than a house. So, if the probability of a house creating itself is zero, the probability of Life creating itself is even less !!! We have to conclude, that Life could NOT just create itself. So, All Life must be by DESIGN. Intellect and Intelligence had to exist before any Life existed. Why? Simply because Life had to be IMAGINED and then designed. Like a house. How much Intellect and Intelligence is needed to design Life? A little or a LOT? I am sure you will agree, that a Great Intellect indeed is needed to design Life. So Great in fact, that it may be impossible for us to imagine today. We can summarize our discussion so far in the following statement: GREAT Intellect had to exist FIRST – before any Life in the Universe came to existence.
I would like to stress both words: GREAT and the INTELLECT, because without phenomenal Intelligence - Life just couldn’t happen. Remember - you agreed, when reading the previous chapter, that even a house cannot be created without Intelligence. And you also agreed that Life required far greater intelligence to be designed than a house.
Please make sure that you truly understand what we are talking about here. There is little point of reading further if you do not understand and agree with the above statement.

From the book: FREEDOM OF CHOICE

The First BIG Step We have just agreed that Life is much more difficult to create than a house. So, if the probability of a house creating itself is zero, the probability of Life creating itself is even less !!! We have to conclude, that Life could NOT just create itself. So, All Life must be by DESIGN. Intellect and Intelligence had to exist before any Life existed. Why? Simply because Life had to be IMAGINED and then designed. Like a house. How much Intellect and Intelligence is needed to design Life? A little or a LOT? I am sure you will agree, that a Great Intellect indeed is needed to design Life. So Great in fact, that it may be impossible for us to imagine today. We can summarize our discussion so far in the following statement: GREAT Intellect had to exist FIRST – before any Life in the Universe came to existence.
I would like to stress both words: GREAT and the INTELLECT, because without phenomenal Intelligence - Life just couldn’t happen. Remember - you agreed, when reading the previous chapter, that even a house cannot be created without Intelligence. And you also agreed that Life required far greater intelligence to be designed than a house.
Please make sure that you truly understand what we are talking about here. There is little point of reading further if you do not understand and agree with the above statement.

From the book: FREEDOM OF CHOICE
EASY QUESTIONS
What is easier? To make a house or bring a dead body to Life? In other words, is it easier to create a house or create Life? It is MUCH easier to make a house than create Life. Please think carefully if you have any doubts about that. If you are absolutely sure about the correctness of the above answer, you are ready for the next question. Do you think that a house could create itself, without anyone designing it? What if we could wait a LONG time? Indefinitely long? Can a house really make itself? With windows, doors, carpets, tiles, electrical installations, plumbing, conveniences etc.? Can we determine exactly what is the CHANCE of a house building itself? From our experience, we have to conclude, that a house cannot just build itself. The probability of a house creating itself is ZERO.
But WHY cannot a house build itself? A house cannot build itself, because it takes Intellect and INTELLIGENCE to imagine, design, construct, test and improve a house to make it useful. We have to conclude that Intellect and Intelligence have to exist BEFORE a house can be built, simply because a house has to be IMAGINED, before it can be even designed. Please make sure that before you proceed to the next section of this book, you fully understand the above conclusion and you do not have any doubt about it.

In my perception, I see this creative intelligence we call God as once a primordial "seed" that has an unlimited potential of development in intelligence, awareness etc. This primordial seed then started development step by step in a VERY long process till it reaches a state of sufficient intelligence and awareness to start the creation process. And just as a matured life eg tree, animal etc produces "seed" identical to them having likewise unlimited possibility of development, this primordial seed at a stage also produces seeds able to develop and later at a stage also produce seeds etc.
What if we're this seeds of the primordial seed having the same potential. Maybe this is why many school of thoughts call human gods, what if what really is is this primordial seed reproducing itself infinitely.
Everywhere in creation we see everything starts from a very simple states then develops from that to untold complexity, what if as above so below?
Even though this looks somehow, this idea of God starting from the lowest state possible, undergoing development till He reaches what we know today is more rational to me than to imagine that He has always been infinitely intelligent, powerfully etc. Your opinion is also welcome.

Even though I believe in a creative intelligence that created the universe though not in a religious sense, have always been unable to bring my self to believe that this creative intelligence just found himself infinitely intelligent and has always been like that without any process of development.
I think atheist are right in saying, if a complex universe or life cannot exist without a complex intelligence to create it, then it will be also wise and rational of us to infer that this complex intelligence necessary to create complex life will also need a more complex intelligence to create it etc.
But what if we drop the idea of an always perfect and complete God needing no development and open to the possibility that maybe this creative intelligence hasn't always been like that, what if He has been and still undergoes development and what if there is no end to this development, just like when life begins has a very simple unicellular organism till it reached the complexity we can observe as nature.
This brings us to the conclusion that even though the creative intelligence that Created the universe is so intelligent that we're at awe of His intelligence, His intelligence is a product of His development and since there is no end to His development, it can also be said that He is and cannot reach a state where we can say He is prefect because perfection implies that all development as seized. This idea also provides the answer to the question that, if "God" has always been perfect and infinitely intelligence, what has He been doing before creation started? But the conclusion here provides the answer that He started from the simplest of intelligence and has been developing ever since before His intelligence reaches a state that can then start creating.
To understand this, can you remember the age you can say your awareness or intelligence started? if we all look back, we can see there is a process of awareness and intelligence development and can't pin point exactly when. The more we remember the less clarity we have until everything is just blank. what if the awareness or intelligence of this great mind is just like that, what if He can also look back till everything remain vague, vague then blank.
I know this conclusion is a little bit strange but this is what make sense to me at least as at now. And before you argue that this reasoning is absurd, I will be later posting from a book titled FREEDOM OF CHOICE by Thomas Chalko, this is a thought provoking and strengthening book you can download the book and read yourself because I can post everything here. He explained it better than I can, so sit back and enjoy it.

cckris:
Theist

Thanks for sharing

It often occurs on the religion section where a person is wrongly accursed of being an atheist when there opinion defers from ours leading to abuse and the rest. Sometimes a person feels his/her position is not fully grasped by people, so I feel there is a need for the religion section to have a kind of platform where each person's position is represented INDIVIDUALLY, no matter how sure you're about a person's position PLEASE keep quiet and give them the honor of saying it personally.
It is the aim of this thread to provide a platform where the position of individual Nairalander about there belief or disbelief in God can be verified. It is imperative to note that "God" here doesn't necessary mean Jehovah, Allah etc. but as a name for a higher power/intelligence than human.
The positions would be grouped into five which are as follows:
1. Theist - I strongly believe there is God and holds no possibility that He doesn't exist.
2. Agnostic theist - I believe God exist but holds the possibility that He may not exist.
3. Agnostic(50/50) - God may or may not exist.
4. Agnostic atheist - I believe God doesn't exist but holds the possibility that He may exist.
5. Atheist - I strongly believe that God doesn't exist and holds no possibility that He may exist.
This is not a platform for ridiculing anybody's position and like I said earlier it is just a platform to make clear individual position as at NOW. I said now because individual position can change at any time and thus, necessary adjustment should be made when this happens. I urge all Nairalanders to participate especially those that frequent the religion section. Also, you're free to add a few note to make your position clearer if you feel it is not well represented. Your can always call on people to make there position known and if they don't want that, I urge us to respect there choice and not call them coward and all.
Having said all these, I will start by declaring my own position.
My position is of agnostic theist - I believe in God but not Jehovah or Allah but a higher power/intelligence other than man but holds the possibility that He may not exist.
NOTE: Please don't preach or ridicule on this thread.
Thanks for your participation and corporation.

krattoss:
What the heck is this book that can't be summarize up here..

Or is someone looking for traffic somewhere?

Pulling traffic keh, am not even the owner of the site.
You can check the book out to find out

@Anas09
Thanks for sharing your experience

johnydon22:
Oh meeeehn i just clicked the link now ... seriously the ghost story thread you created sometime ago... for goodness sake i am tired of nonsensical claims here ..

Nobody needs to look anywhere for the existence of something that should be existential in the first place..

Like i said above, i am not seeing you pouring out ridiculous e-books to assert the existence of the sun.

Any baseless claim should be treated as one until substantiated by actual proof.

I repeat again, proffer actual proof of the existence of your own God or don't just waste my time any further...

What I can deduce from this reply is that it's wrong to claim that God doesn't exist until we've all knowledge and are sure God didn't really exist.
And this is what am always saying and trying to let atheists see, which is you just can't confirm that their is no God because your dont know everything, the honourable position to take is to be skeptical, create the possibility God MIGHT exist after all there are so many thing we don't know yet.
That's why I prefer to be agnostic than to affirm authoritatively that there is nothing like God and there is NO possibility that God exist like atheists do.
I don't have any issue with atheists than how can they be completely sure God doesn't exist.
At least agnostics have an open mind, they're open to possibility of God's existence, they're not close minded like atheists.
Again, the message am trying to really pass across is don't be too sure there is no God as if you know everything.
Am not asking anybody to believe in God sheepishly without asking question, even the books I posted on that thread are not meant to "convert" anybody but to create that element of doubt that you MIGHT be wrong in your conviction that there is no God, it's good to doubt sometimes and I don't oppose questioning anything that don't go with your reasoning all am saying is don't be too presumptuous. It's when you're too presumptuous that atheism becomes a believe system you can't even challenge yourself.
I wouldn't have this conversation with an agnostic because they're open to the POSSIBILITY of the existence of God.
Never say Never

johnydon22:
Through research of what and what?

This still doesn't mean your own God concept is the real one and not yahweh. . After all you have just shown that your concept is a personal projection of your thoughts and not an existential entity in actuality.

Near death experiences are illusionary projection of the brain during the state of clinical death, The brain is the box of perception and illusion and remains the last organ in the body to shut down after death.

NED experiences is common among heart attack patients and has always been found to create illusions found in the religious views of the patient.

it is not proof of anything neither does it lean any wait on your own God concept. You God concept remains a claim on your own part of which you need to tender actual proofs not lay out more claims..


Last i checked here i am not arguing with you here over religious concepts of God but yours.

The sun is an existential entity that doesn't need you to lay claims for it because it is right there beaming at you.

Please provide actual proof of your God here and not lay out more absurd claims

The books I posted has nothing to do with near death which shows that you haven't read the books, you're just repeating your preconceived ideologies. Check out what I presented before asking for more proof as if you're that serious to know.
In fact I didn't expect this from you, you're not handling it in a scientific manner at all.
To have a scientific mind is to have an open mind before drawing conclusions.
Near death ko
And don't forget to answer my question: Have you ever look for God existence OUTSIDE religion?

johnydon22:
You sure know you didn't answer my question sir!!

(1)How did you get to know about your own God?

(2)How did you know your own God is the correct one and not Allah,
yahweh, zeus or other religious Gods out there?

(3)Mind postulating your method of deduction about your own God concept
by providing us with actual proofs that substantiates your claims..

1. Through studying and independent research.
2. Because my own concept of God is logical to me and those with open mind. I only disagree with Allah or Yehwey because their concept contradicts my reasoning.
3. You talk of PROOF as if you will even take the time to check it out before dismissing it. You asked for proof from me before, and I created this thread because of you https://www.nairaland.com/2173445/afterlife-proof-atheists-whoever-cares
only to see that you don't even read the books before you start refuting them.
I know you don't just wake up one day and become an atheist, you did your studies, likewise if you really want to know about the existence of God you should be able to at least read the proof presented after all you asked for proof. Those books are not religious books so don't tell me you know their content already.
All I see you(and other atheists ) refuting always is the religion concept of God.
Let me just ask you this question: Have you ever taken the time to look for God OUTSIDE religion?

johnydon22:
You sure know you didn't answer my question sir!!

(1)How did you get to know about your own God?

(2)How did you know your own God is the correct one and not Allah,
yahweh, zeus or other religious Gods out there?

(3)Mind postulating your method of deduction about your own God concept
by providing us with actual proofs that substantiates your claims..

I answered your question already bro.
We as humans are logical beings which means a God who created us should be logical also. So any idea or attribute I see of this God which is not logical is definitely is false.

johnydon22:


Good so now quick questions.

(1)How did you get to know about your own God?

(2)How did you know your own God is the correct one and not Allah, yahweh, zeus or other religious Gods out there?

(3)Mind postulating your method of deduction about your own God concept by providing us with actual proofs that substantiates your claims..

Thanks between

Like I said in my post God is logical, and any idea I see of God that is logical to me is the truth. You pointed out the falsehood of the religion God because it's not logical.
For example I was born into a Muslim family and when I found out their idea of God is illogical to me and contradicts my morality I left it.
So am for logic

@op
I commend you for the write which aims at showing the absurdities of the religious God.
I must say many people associate God with religion and that's where the problem lies and where religion fuels the disbelieve in God. God is not like what religion depicts, that kind of God is a figment of their imagination.
God is logical anything illogical should not be associated with God.
I only will urge atheists to look for God else where, I repeat religion has nothing to say about God, they have no idea.

@op
I commemorate you for the write which aims at showing uh absurdities of the religious God.
I must say many people associate God with religion and. that's where the problem lies and where religion fuels the disbelieve in God. God is not like what religion depicts, that kind of God is a figment of their imagination.
God is logical anything illogical should not be associated with God.
I only will urge atheists to look for God else where, I repeat religion has nothing to say about God, they have no idea.

Materialism is a faith, no less dogmatic, bigoted and arrogant than other faiths. NDE destroys materialism and that is why like Muslims who refuse tolook into the mountain of evidence the materialists refuseto look into the evidence of NDE. And like Muslims who when cornered resort to ad hominem and insult, materialists also resort to ad hominem and insult. The mind of the bigot works the same way across the board irrespective of its content.As the truth is the biggest enemy of Islam, facts are the greatest nemesis of materialism. Already quantum physics has shown that materialism is incoherent with reality. That consciousness is not generated by the matter, but rather the matter is created by consciousness.Without fact reason can be very misleading. One can make rational arguments about anything, as long as one ignores certain facts. Pure reason is the biggest deception. No one is irrational. But people are often selective about their facts. They choose justthose that tip the scalein their favor.

http://alisina.org/?p=5085

These experiences cannot be dismissed as hallucination of a dying brain. Despite their diversity, they are consistent. No onefor example sees Muhammad or the Islamic heaven.Recently a jihadi was shot down by the Syrian army.He was left for death by his companions. His lifeless body was found by a few Christians who thought he deserved aburial, irrespective of what he had done. However, before they could bury him the dead man came back to life. He reported to have been greeted by demons. He had a life review where he experienced all the pain he caused to others from the perspective of his victims. He saw himself beheading someone, but this time he was the person being beheaded. He felt all the pain, the fear and the horror he caused to his victims. He was then taken to hell. Before being cast into the fire God spoke to him saying he had led a despicable life and that he had the choiceto die and go to hell or return to life and amend his ways.This man was expecting to be taken to Islamic paradise and be introduced to his 72 bashful high breasted wives. His near death experiencewas not anywhere close to his expectation. There aremany stories of people who found the other world very different from what they expected to see. Atheists who did not believe they will live after the death of theirbody found themselves either embraced by God or thrown in hell. And despite the common belief of religionists beliefs play no role whether a person goes to hell or to heaven. All that countsis how they have lived their life.NDE is the game changer. There are thousands of such stories on the net and there are millions of people who have had them and never wroteabout them. Now that I am talking about it, I am getting emails from people saying they too had it.Claiming that all thesemillions of people lie is the acme of bigotry.I can’t think of any argument more stupidthan that. And to writethem all off as hallucination is no more intelligent. A dead brain cannot create fantasies. And what the materialists say about the verified stories of the near death experiencers? How could these people see their doctors from above, know what they were thinking, read a series of numbers from the top of the respirator that was seven feet tall, or see what happened in the otherrooms of the hospital while they were lying dead on the operationtable? Some of these experiences were shared by others, often the relatives or the nurses and doctors of the patients. Some of these experiences were reported by toddlers of atheist parents who were never told about God and afterlife.All a Muslim needs to shut down his mind is to utter the magical phrase “out of context.” After utteringthis magical phrase the Muslim recuses himself from thinking. As far as he is concerned this magical phrase seals the case and exonerates him from using his brain. He no longer has to concern himself with the mountain of evidence from hadith and the Quran that disprove the claim of Muhammad. All a materialist needs to shut down his brain is to utter the magical word “hearsay.” After uttering this magical word the materialists recuses himself from thinking. That word, inhis narrow mind, absolves him from worrying about the mountain of evidence on NDE.

There are born blind people who say in their NDE they could perfectly see. One born blind woman with NDE saw herself lying in the bed and recognized herself by the engraved image on her ring. She was familiar with that image through her touch. She said the experience of seeing for the first time was confusing and even frightening.This goggle analogy shows why Harris’ reasoning, although correct, leads to an incorrect conclusion. It’s because he ignoresthe fact that we are not our body but rather consciousness, experiencing the world through a physical body.The question that should concern us is whether independence of consciousness from brain is a fact. This is the only argument that matters. Without establishing this as fact or fantasy every argument is irrelevant. Incompletefacts can easily mislead us and no amount of reasoning will help.Since last four decades, and thanks to the advances of medical science, therehave been millions of cases of people being resuscitated, who reported being conscious all the time,hovering over the heads of the doctors, seeing and hearing them from above and even going through the walls and reporting accurately what they saw in otherrooms, when their body was lying on the operation table, clinically dead.There is no way to explain this phenomenon with materialistic reasoning. Materialistsare right as long as they ignore this fact and because materialism is a faith, just like any religious person the materialists will do everything in their power to deny the authenticity of the NDE phenomenon. But they are in a losing battle. Every day more people are resuscitated and roughly about a fifth of them remember their NDE.

The situation with materialists is no different. Materialists use reason to support their views. However, like Muslims, they ignore some facts and often do so deliberately. As long as you ignore facts you can rationally prove any absurdity. The ancient Greek Sophists perfected thisart to a science.When Galileo said the Earth was rotating andmoving, his critics ridiculed him and asked then why we don’t get dizzy and falloff the Earth. Those were not irrational questions. If you ignore the gravity, for example if the earth were a hollow balloon, in fact we would fall off from it. Reason without facts is meaningless. Reason is a tool of measurement. It is accurate only as long as our facts are accurate.Imagine you want to weigh yourself. You stand on a scale. But to have an accurate reading you have to put all your weight on it. If you put one leg on the scale while keeping another on the floor you get a reading which is inaccurate. The scale is reading accurately, yet the weight shown is not true. Likewise, I can have a correct reasoning, but as longs as my facts are incorrect I will be wrong.In one of his televised appearances on near death experience, Sam Harris argued that when the brain malfunctions, the person’s perception becomes incoherent. He reasoned that it make little sense to assume a dead brain would suddenly function perfectly and one could even see his deceased grandparents. The audience found this remark very logical and clapped enthusiastically.There is nothing illogical in this argument. Yet is it false. Sam Harris ignores some facts. Heassumes that consciousness is generated by the brain. However, we have irrefutable evidence that consciousness is independent from the brain. The brain is not a thinker, but the processor. The operating system that runs the brain is independent from it as the software in your computer is independent from the CPU. Think of consciousness as the operating system using the brain as a central processing unitto interact with this world. We don’t need a brain to think any more than we need anoxygen tank to breathe or a night goggle to see. However if we want to scuba dive we need anoxygen tank and if we want to see at night we need night goggles.Our consciousness is completely independent from ourbody. However, to experience this world we have to occupy a body made of the same substance. It is like you want to play avirtual game; you need to wear a pair of goggles and a headset.The goggles and the headset immerse you in the virtual world while they cut you off from the world surrounding you. If they malfunction your virtual experience becomes blurry and defective. What happens if the computer crashes? Then you remove the goggles and the headset and suddenly your vision becomes perfect. And you find yourself at home among your loved ones.

Muslims cling to a very asinine faith, not because they are irrational, but becausethey ignore important facts about their religion. When we grew up one of the Sura’s we had to memorize was the sura al Kafirun (The Unbelievers). It rhymed so it was easy to remember. This sura says,Oh you who turn awayI do not worship what you worship,nor do you worship what I worship.And I will not worship what you worship,Nor will you worship what I worship.Your way is yours, andmy way is mine.These verses give the appearance that Islampromotes religious tolerance. We were never told the context of this sura. When we grew up we read many other verses that call for slaying theunbelievers. Yet the early indoctrination always overcame any doubt. We never allowed facts influence our thinking and change our mind.The fact is that the above sura has nothing to do with tolerance. Ibn Ishaq says that when the Apostle was going round the Ka’ba, several dignitaries of Mecca met him and told him, “Muhammad, come let us worship what you worship, and you worship what we worship. You and we will combine in the matter. If what you worship is better than what we worship we will take a share of it, and if what we worship is better than what you worship, youcan take a share of that.’ So God revealed concerning them, ‘Say,O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship, and you do not worship what I worship, and I do not worship what you worship, and you do not worship what I worship; you have your religion and I have mine,” i.e. If you will only worship God on condition that I worship what you worship, I have no need of you at all. Youcan have your religion, all of it, and I have mine.” [Sira p. 165]Those Muslims who still believe Islam is a tolerant religion are not irrational people. They simply ignore facts, often deliberately. As Ibn Ishaq shows it were the Quraysh who weretolerant and Muhammad was intolerant.

An article by Ali sina an ex muslim turned atheist now a believer in God.

Today I read a comment from a materialist who attacked me accusing me of deviating from science and reason and being delusional because I now believe in the survival of consciousness after the death of body. A few minutes later, I opened my mail box and found an email from someone wondering how 1.5 billion people could still believe in a nonsensical religion such as Islam when obviously many of them are not stupid and irrational.Interestingly the answer to both is the same. It lies in the deceptiveness of pure reason. The limitation of pure reason was already noted by Immanuel Kant who noticed metaphysicians make grand claims about the nature of reality based on reason alone, but these claims often conflict with one another. Kant tried to make his argument through a-priori and a-posteriory knowledge. i.e., the knowledge inherent inhuman consciousness and the knowledge acquired through experience.Kant does not follow rationalist metaphysics in asserting that pure reason has the power to grasp the mysteriesof the universe. Instead, he suggests that much of what we consider to be reality is shaped by the perceiving mind. The mind, according to Kant, does not passively receive information provided by the senses. Rather, it actively shapes and makes sense of that information. Basically,Kant is saying a person sees the realityfrom his unique perspective, much likeone wearing tinted sunglasses. He then sees the world colored. Truth therefore is relative tothe person observing it and not universal and absolute. *My critique of reason is merely about human inadequacy of knowledge. In other words, since the accuracy of reason depends on facts and since in matters of metaphysics not all facts are known to man, it follows that our understanding of truth will be irreparably incorrect even when our reasoning is correct.Let me explain this with a story. There was a wise rabbi in a village in Eastern Europe who was respected and his opinion was always sought. One day, two individuals who had a major dispute agreed to go to the rabbi for resolution. The first party to the dispute came to the rabbi and carefully outlined his side of the argument. The rabbi listened intently and finally said, “You are right.” The man went away satisfied. Later in the day, the other party tothe dispute arrived and told the rabbi his side of the issue. The rabbi again listened carefully, and replied, “You are right.” Later, the rabbi’s wife, who had overheard the rabbi’s conversations with both men, said tohim, “Rabbi, you told both the first party and the second party that they were right. How can this be?” To which the rabbi replied, “Yes you are right too!”This story is often told as a humor, but it is very profound. Everyone is right according to their reasoning. No one believes in things that they would regard to be irrational.Recently, a Muslim cleric in Saudi Arabia went on TV to declare that the Earth is stationary and it is theSun that revolves around the Earth, as believed by Muhammad and also in many hadiths. He argued that if the Earth was rotating, a plain takingoff from Riyadh could never reach China because China would be going away faster than the Jet.There is nothing flawed in this reasoning. We can show this with an example of a butterfly perching on the roof of a bus moving at thespeed of 100 km/h. Since the butterfly cannot fly that fast, taking off from the backend of the bus, it can never reach the front. However, the same butterfly can easily fly from the back of the bus to the front at his normal speed, inside the bus. The difference is that inside the bus the air is also moving along with the bus. The cleric’s reasoning was not incorrect. He simply ignored the fact that the atmosphere (air) surrounding the Earth is also rotating along with the Earth. He alsoignored the gravity effect of the Earth on its satellites. His reasoning was not flawed. He was ignorant of some facts.

Good write up but I must add that thought can't create much as we imagined, what really creates is emotion. Emotions generate thought then action. Emotion is really the thing creating our reality that is why the aim of positive affirmation is not to repeat words aimlessly but to use that word to generate emotion. So basically, emotion can generate thought and thought can also generate emotion.
If you can release negative emotions from yourself then you don't have to force yourself to release negative thoughts because positive emotions will always generate positive thoughts. That is why the right way is to deal with your emotions and the rest will fall in place.
Need help releasing negative emotions? Check out this techniques: Google Zpoint or Fastereft and your life will change for better.
PEACE

Is it correct to conclude that no human spirit can have a direct connection with God without any link, and is it right to conclude that no being in creation even the primordial spiritual beings have a direct connection with God. If yes, expatiate more please.

" I go to church/mosque regularly "
COMMENT: You're not spiritual you're only religious.
"I fast and pray everyday"
COMMENT: You still only religious.
"I have the gift to see what people can't see, I see into the spiritual realm, by this I know am spiritual "
COMMENT: Sorry you still not spiritual, you're only clairvoyant.
"I hear the voice of "God" audibly which must people can't hear, I must be really spiritual "
COMMENT: No sorry, you're only clairaudience.
"I have the ability to heal people supernaturally"
COMMENT: You still not spiritual.
"I often know things before they happen, that means I am spiritual"
COMMENT: You still not spiritual yet.
People attribute many things that have nothing to do with true spirituality to it. This is mostly common among Christians where any pastor that can prophecy, heal etc is looked up as very spiritual.
Many people pray to have some of the above gifts to prove their spirituality. But the truth is that none of the above is a measure or defines what true spirituality is. Our ignorance of this made it possible for evil spirits to easily deceive people and make them feel they're really spiritual when this is only pseudo spirituality.
True spirituality is a measure of the amount of LOVE you're capable of radiating to everyone and everything. This is the ONLY thing that really matters in the end, it is all encompassing, it is beyond belief, creed, nationality, age etc.
Showing love should be what we live for everyday because that is what will really change the world not any of the above gifts.

aoyih:
I have been nurturing this thought for so long a time and wish to share it with you my NL family...

Let me start from here:

(1) Shebi God is the all knowing and all knowledgeable God?

(2) Shebi God in his might sees and knows the end from the beginning?

(3) Shebi it was written in the bible that before you were born, I knew you?

All this shows that our life's script has long been written even before we were fertilized in our mother's womb.
If this be the case, it thus mean that everybody's destiny has long been written and can only be reverted by he (God) alone.
If we are only acting the script that has been designed and written from above, why then are we been punished for doing perfectly well in our roles?

Judas was destined to betray Jesus which was a role he ought to play to make his script go in accordance to his destiny...if he obeyed and played the role as directed by God himself, why was he then punished?

Peter was destined to deny Jesus and it came to pass to fulfill his destiny here on earth...

If we are playing our individual roles as already written from above; whether good or bad, long as it goes in concordance with the will of God I don't see any reason why we should be punished by the same God who destined it to be so.

To end it all, I wish to know if it is fair to be punished by God for obeying and playing the role that he has already written for you as your destiny


Please, no insult... just meaningful comments!

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Then, the first thing I check in any phone is the videos, if I happened to see any po.rn, I will quickly transfer it to my phone and watch later(dont want to get caught). That was the time I love to be the only one in the house so I can watch some p.orn movies and consistently prayed to God not to let Nepa off the light, any data I have I use to download P films.
I lived like that for some years then decided to know the cause of this addiction. I then started to watch those P movies consciously because what most addicted people do is they engage in their addiction without being mindful at all of what they're doing, of the moment, is like they're on autopilot, just unconsciously.
It wasn't long being mindful and conscious of what I was watching that I discovered something strange. I discovered that a P movie of about 2hrs plus takes me less than 30min to watch which means that I forward a lot. I discovered that I wasn't particularly concerned about the act (always forward it) just the beginning of the act. This discovery was an eyes opening for me because I know now where to look to find the cause.
By being more conscious of the start of the acts, I discovered that the part that intrigues me mostly was when the lady starts to UnCloth herself. Shortly after that I realised that I was actually just inquisitive about the female body, just to know how it looks like unclad, that was just the driving emotion.
The cause of this inquisitiveness I guess has to do with the fact that I was a chronic stammerer when I was a toddler, this made me isolate myself from playing with others away from their mockeries. Because of this I wasn't that familiar with the opposite se.x and are alien to me.
To summarize, I convinced myself that have seen enough and it's just the same thing, nothing new to discover, because have never seen a b.reast with two nippl.es or a womanliness with a cover, so basically the same thing.
Of course I know this intellectually, what of actually putting it into practise. I will download P movies to test myself with the aim that I wouldn't watch it, my mind would be nagging, telling me this particular movie is different that their is something new to discover and is just a click away and I must say sometimes I fall for it's trick. I must say is not that easy but with resolution and strong volition I was able to shut him up. I leant that the mind is just like a Spoilt kid that wants something and starts nagging when you ignore him, and if you endured that nagging phase he will succumb.
So if you also happen to be dealing with some addiction not necessarily my type, why don't you stay in the moment and be mindful of what is going on inside of you at the moment you feel the urge. If you're for example addicted to alcohol, resist the urge to drink, feel the emotions triggered by this. If you can resist that push the boundary by getting a chilled bottle of your favourite drink in front of you, how those that feel? You feel like grasping it? Resist that, I know is not easy but that doesnt mean it's impossible.
You can check out these tools and use them to make it easier
1. Zpoint
2. Fastereft
I must say the freedom at the end of all this is worth it.

@Rossike
www.near-death.com was one of the websites that helped me to extricate myself from religion because it's clear God don't care about your religion.

omat20:
Do you believe there is life after death? Give reasons for your answer. The person that will answer this with good analysis will win a prize.

The proof is here https://www.nairaland.com/2173445/afterlife-proof-atheists-whoever-cares

@all
Some believe the deads are asleep with proof from the Bible while some believe some deads are already in paradise and quoting Jesus to back it up.
So am suggesting we should just assume the Bible contradicts itself on this.

Empiree:
So what do you want me to do about it?. If that's your choice, then write it down on your will. Who cares what your preference is. You shall meet your Lord, simple.

But this doesn't give you gut to spew nonsense here about Islam and muslims

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we dey fight?

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I'm a lady

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