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Gemma11:
He asked a question and I responded..wetin be your own? If he is able to attain a salary of £47k in Nigeria then why leave that for the same in the UK where the cost of living is 100 times higher and such a salary will not stretch far?

My parents arrived in the UK when Naira was n50 to £1 and the cost of living was not as it is now.

Talk your own and allow me to talk my own. You no be my oga and don't have the right to dictate my comments.

This is coming from the same person telling immigrants not to travel to the UK? So what right do you have to tell me where to travel to?

Gemma11:
The word is 'Persevered' not 'Perceived'

Again my parents did not come in a dubious students...Are you one of the fake students coming in from Nigeria.? Just trying to understand your motivation here because if the shoe fits then wear it well I suppose..

You are against immigration simple! You told someone coming with work visa just as your parent did to stay back in Nigeria.

You moan about their age, you called students who applied for admission, visa and went through all the legal processes fake and dubious?

You just don't want to see any Nigerian to come in but guess what? You can't stop them, more are coming and get ready to cry your eyes out.

Gemma11:
Sorry I fail to believe that all of them, especially nearly 50 year old men with full families of dependents, are genuine students. Most of them won't even pass sef but we go see now.

It is not so much my personal problem but I have a right to speak out and support any policy from the British government to stem this type of nonsense so the gates are not completely closed to those young genuine students who are coming to further their studies.

At any point in your life that you decided to make life-changing decision to improve your life and that of your family do it.

Old aged British citizens move to Spain to enjoy good weather and facilities there and still claim winter allowance in the UK. So stop moaning about age of immigrants and their families

Gemma11:
There are properties worth millions in Peckham so don't laugh at that person. To rent a single room in Peckham is like £800 a month and you would have to share the kitchen and bathroom. Renting a whole house is in like £2800 per month so don't laugh as Peckham no be your mate..

I don't have any properties in Peckham sha so I can't be your guy. However I do have one in nearby Lewisham and another in Camberwell.

Yeah credit to your parents that came over and stayed back to have you, i'm sure they faced insults and..go-back-to-your-country those days just as you are doing here, but they Persevered and here you are...

Gemma11:
Stay in Nigeria

He is coming here on work visa just like your parents did, so what is your prob? I thought your problem is with student visa holders and their families?

Gemma11:
I never generalised anyone. I specifically stated that my points were directed at those mature students packing all of their families here to the UK and then complaining that there was no suitable student accomodation to house those families plus the fact that their children were taken up places in schools etc...again i was only talking about those particular individuals on student visas and not genuine students or those on other visas. You just don't like to hear the truth but guess what.....


...My views have not changed.

They are genuine students, they applied for student visa and are allowed to come with their families and they are attending lectures.

Age got nothing to do with this, if you have any prob with this then channel it to the school that gave them admission and the British embassy that issued them visas

Zahra29:
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Hi Justwise, I have indeed seen you come down hard on people who attempt to bend the rules, and you also provide a lot of support to genuine people. Kudos for the great work you do.

I don't think Gemma was criticising all immigrants -her argument was mainly that some are now shining a negative light on the psw route because they are "over doing" it and making it bait to the govt that it's being abused by economic migrants masquerading as students. She raised some points which are not popular but are valid - the influx of students and crucially their families- is adding pressure to an already heated housing market and other infrastructure like schools and the NHS. The school fees go to the universities and not to the communities, so it is the councils that have to fund school places, housing etc for new arrivals. The university collects its money and looks away lol

However, I also completely agree with your point that the UK govt should plan better to provide the necessary infrastructure for the migrants it is collecting fees from, or else limit numbers and ask the Universities to find alternative sources of funding or become leaner.

You make that argument for illegal immigrants or Eastern Europeans, Nigerians students applied for visa and was accessed before they are allowed to come in.

Some British citizens took the govt to court because of the policy of sending illegal immigrants to Rwanda, more than 2,000 illegal immigrants cross the English channel in one weekend alone, they pay nothing into the system but they are given houses and food. They are protected but students that paid thousands are hunted.

Zahra29:
I see where Gemma is coming from in some ways.

The majority of Nigerian immigrants might be hardworking and resourceful, however Nigeria does have a bad reputation for a reason because there is a fair number of people who look for ways to fleece the system, thereby making it a lot harder for genuine people.

All the POF scams for example. Applicants using chicanery to show that they have the required funds even though they know that they lack sufficient means to sustain them and their dependents.

There have been numerous posts where people have to be "convinced" that they do not qualify for 30hrs nursery funding or other grants/benefits as they count as public funds. To British citizens/residents who pay taxes and do not even claim these benefits, it can be very annoying to hear or see immigrants who have not yet contributed to the system (and students who do not pay tax) trying to claim these benefits. It can also make them wonder what benefits these people would go on to claim as soon as they have obtained citizenship. This is what easily stokes resentment in Brits - feeling like they're being taken for a mug

Also, the complaints. No country is perfect. While everyone is entitled to their opinion, it can be quite grating hearing migrants complaining about the NHS and other aspects of British life. The obvious response would be "why don't you go back then, if it's so wonderful where you're from!"

My posts here is not in support of those who abuse the system, nobody here come down on fraudsters more than i do, my frustration with Gemma11 view is the generalisation, her hardcore nationalistic view, student visa holders contribute upfront more into the system than any other type of immigrants.

The UK govt has the means and ways to limit number of students coming in with their families, you can't throw them under the bus after granting them visas at high cost then when they get in you start shouting immigration number bla bla bla

dubaiprince:
From the bottom of my heart, God bless you for this especially the last paragraph.

The truth is most British citizens who are not immigrants don't know what migrants go through. They just think they see a migrant on the street and he/she is fleecing them. I got an offer with another firm willing to pay immigration cost for myself and 2 of my dependants, a director with my current employer not wanting me to leave just asked how much the visa and ihs costs is, when i told him it is something in the region on 10k, i saw the shock on his face and he simply said as a family man himself, he would advice me to take the offer (I am a tier 2 visa holder with 4 dependants). Not that my my kids have fallen ill since they came into the UK to need NHS infact they had all immunizations back home compulsory and optional before coming in.

Myself and Wife pay NI and Tax plus the 10k they collected and we were already planning to cough out another 10k next year for visa extension if not for this offer that came through.

The UK govt should use the money they get from migrants judiciously by expanding their social infrastructure to cope with the increasing population. You don't collect money from people and not make adequate provision for them. Nigerian migrants are not their problem.

Zero! They are clueless, i mean majority of them will not pass life in the UK test. They can't distinguish between legal and illegal immigrant.

As long as you are not British to them you are a free loader who came here to abuse the system.

Gemma11:
So what exactly are you defending here?

Nigerians against snobs like you

Gemma11:
You are living in the past and making excuses as to why Nigerians have failed to develop Nigeria and are now specialising in exporting their bad behaviour and imposing themselves on other countries...

Even if they no steal Nigerian resources una for feat develope Nigeria reach UK level? Nonsense

Stay in your land. They give una student visa and na to only abuse and cry victim when it is pointed our now una sabi.

I'm British so zip it

Gemma11:
You are quite delusional. You are calling the British lazy but it is their systems, banking systems, technology, infrastruture, roads, buildings and and the country they developed over centuries that you think Nigerians should be more entitled to just because they are coming in to do menial jobs while parading as students?

If Nigerians are not lazy then how comes Nigeria is not as developed as the UK? Why are Nigerians running away from a country they have not developed and coming to the UK to call the citizens lazy as though they are the ones who built it?

Again this is about those on student visas abusing the system and it is not about the NHS but about schools and housing dealing with the unexpected influx of families.

The same way the British ran away from Britain to Nigeria and other part of the world to colonise them the difference here is that they did not apply for visa. Only armed themselves with bible pretending to be missionaries only to steal and loot.

Many cities in the UK were developed from materials stolen from Africa, look around royal family and you will see one or two stolen item from Africa.

Yes majority of British are damm lazy and would prefer claiming benefit than working hard.

Gemma11:
Not every black Nigerian person 'came' to the UK. Some of us are born and raised in this land. My parents were paying Uk taxes long before I was born here in London. I am now also paying my own share....na you get bad belle..lol

Anyway the reason why I contributed to this thread was just to help genuine students and Nigerian immigrants answer questions about life in the UK not those who want to play ojoro to fleece the system.

Were your parents also born in the UK or they are part of those Nigerians who came in to abuse the system at a different time?

Gemma11:
So Nigerian citizens should take priority over British citizens because they paid?

In any case there are many British citiizens who have paying into the NHS for years and they have never used it so your logic is off.

Nigerians are double charged and they are not entitled to public fund while British citizens use NHS even if they don't pay a penny,

A lot of British citizens rather sit on their lazy backsides and claim benefit rather than take those jobs Nigerians students do.

Nigerians student visa holders pay for everything till they get resident paper.

British govt charge those Nigerians even for sending emails or calls to find out about their visa application.

So stop this Nigerians are taking this and that because you got no clue what they go through to survive here.

Gemma11:
How did they pay?
Nigerians coming into the UK may have paid less than $2k for visa fees and you think that is more than people and their parents in the UK who have been taxes for nigh on 50 plus years?

I am comparing Indian Students to Nigerian students and not those on any other visa..when we are talking about people abusing the student visa route it is Nigerians not Indians.

Apart from visa fees each member of the family and the main applicant pay £624 a year for IHS and those under the age of 18 pays £470.

So for 2 and half year student visa each family members pays £1248 even before they use NHS and when they get to the UK and start working they still pay for NI and during their visa extension they will still pay £1248 each.

So tell me how many British citizen pay that much yearly for NHS even if they don't use it?

Gemma11:
If they came in on work visas, then they both parents can work unlimited hours and pay into the system

Also work visas are most times only given out to highly skilled individuals and we all know that Indians are the majority in the Tech industry which means they could be contractors on around £600+ a day or on £85k+ a year salaries
I work in Tech myself and most of my team members are new from India.

Nigerians that came in with their families paid thousands already into the system even before they use any social amenities or NHS.

Those on dependant visa work unlimited hours to pay into the system, after one year the student will start working unlimited hours to pay into the system. So your argument hold no water.

To your point that Indians comes in to take highly skilled jobs is far from the truth as they come in to take just ANY job that give sponsorship.

Indians abuse the system just as Nigerians, just that they do it and keep it within their communities but Nigerians are the loudest and far too boastful.

Gemma11:
The Indians who come with their families are actually on work visas, not student visas. There is a difference. The ones of Student visas are mostly genuine.

See the chart here.

So those families that Indians brought in will not take school places from the British kids?

Gemma11:
Yeah her focus should be on Nigerians because they are abusing the system.

Students are normally single people

Students consisting of a grown man/wife & partner with 3- 5 kids is not normal and taxing on the system. Yes they are paying for healthcare but are they also paying for school places, books, pens, free food and all the other amenities that these children use? It is something when British Born children can't find a place in school because a new Nigerian immigrant child has taken their place.

There are more Indians and Chinese coming in as students than Nigerians but these are genuine students coming alone to study. It is the Nigerians who are packing whole families here.

Suella will be back. She probably only resigned so that she could do so before the PM.

This is not true. Indians does the same

Uzomarrr12345:
The screenshot was saying majority of dia citizens don’t care about doing masters. !

That why he started by saying “the countries we pay so much money to do MASTERS, dia home citizens don’t give a fuccck about doing masters degree”

How can someone graduate from UNIBEN at the age of 25 , then 15 years later (40yrs), he now suddenly remembers he wants to do masters !!!… lol

Buhari has finished us … lol
God abeg !!!

Why not? Was that person at home for 12yrs doing nothing? At the age of 41 or 42 he will be a masters degree holder and can apply for a better job.

LIz Truss is about to announce her departure

Uzomarrr12345:
That quote is saying , majority of dia home citizens don’t really further dia schooling after getting Bsc !

A lady once said something in one interview, the university she attended, she said “about 50% of the masters students were Nigerians , then inside the remaining 50% self , about 30% were from other nationals like Uganda , Kenya , India , Pakistan etc …”

Just around 20% were actually British citizens doing dia masters … majority were from different nationals !

When did Nigerians suddenly love schooling this much

How come we are not seeing them wanting to do masters in prestigious Universities like Babcock or even convenant university… lol

We all know 90% don’t have genuine intentions about studying … it just all about the escape !

That is not what the screenshot said

Uzomarrr12345:
Seriously, let’s just pray Nigeria gets good leadership and get the country working again !!!

No place like home !

90% of Nigerians wanting to do masters all of a sudden is just to escape , not genuine intentions of studying. !

A 40 year old man was giving testimony in church last Sunday of getting a UK student visa .

It is well .

Do you believe that screenshot?

addiegold:
Breaking News! They have been scammed. Officially confirmed. Staffs are arrested.

lol.. who called the police?

LagosismyHome:
A lot of care companies are doing this for Dom care ....its frightening, new people are just entering road even one week after they came all in the name of pressure and fear of COS withdrawal , using their foreign driving licence

Even if you are a very experienced driver, its not easy to just enter road like that , but so many dom care jobs are ignoring safety and requiring it

In my cousin work place , some Zimbabwe came and in 3 weeks she had a major car accident .this was 2 months ago, she hasn't healed and not back to work. It could have been fatal for her and she could have added join an innocent person to die

I been saying this thing , why are dom care requesting new people to drive up and down. Driving is not easy, then the pressure of even finding the house and going up and down so soon after arrival

Now this is scaring

leef2022:
Na strategic!
BTW.. taking a horse to the river don't mean it would drink from the river..

The op would have just been honest like she's done here to the agent and buy sometime to watch YouTube and learn.

Oh well..not sure if its too late now or the agent has gotten an excuse to cancel the visa

Lexusgs430:
You think a company insurance policy, would cover a driver, with a Nigerian driving licence.............

Well..this is another prob with the whole issue

Lexusgs430:
That weird moment, you thought your village people no follow you enter plane........

Unbeknown to OP, then don melt enter hin bloodstream ............

OP think say nah like 9ja, wey person go just carry motor ............ Wàhálà dey sleep, trouble wan wake am .....

This is simple, the op can drive but not manual car, so look for automatic car and start your job. Don't drive manual because you are not lienced to drive one

DeeOneBangin:
Big time Trap!!!

Oh yes! they just need an evidence to cancel his visa because he mislead them by claiming that he can drive both

bigtt76:
Den wan nail hin coffin with DVLA ban

I'm just wondering why the agent would even consider allowing someone who is new in the UK with no licence for manual car to drive one?

dduchess90:
Hello

That letter will need to come from the bank stating the IT issues with evidence

My thoughts are there is still time to correct this and the OP should try to do so since it is still at CAS stage

I know someone had almost same issues but at visa stage and towards the end or so, I think she was still successful but it's a big risk to take


If the OP wants to take that risk, well he can

Cheers

Yes, i just corrected my post where i wrote back instead of bank.

Its not a big deal if the bank gives a letter explaining the issue and the money was returned the same day, not days or weeks.

onyiokoye:
He only counted 10days so he can start counting afresh. Better to wait an extra 10days than to start explaining.

10days is a lot of time if you have no time to start afresh. The money was removed and returned the same day, so a letter from the bank explaining that mistake will do.

onyiokoye:
Debited not deposited.

Oh ok! but still he doesn't need to restart counting, but he needs a letter from the bank acknowledging the mistake and that letter will be attached to visa application.