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4. JESUS IS LAMB, LION(ANIMAL):

*. John 1:29 "KJV:The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold THE LAMB of God, which taketh away the sin of the world."

36: And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold THE LAMB of God!"

*. Revelation 5:5 "KJV:And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, THE LION of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."

3. JESUS IS PLANT:

*. John 15:1 "KJV:I AM THE TRUE VINE, and my Father is the husbandman."

2
KJV:Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit."

*. Luke 23 :31 "For if they do these things in a GREEN TREE, what shall be done in the dry?"

*. Revelation 22:14 "KJV:Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the TREE OF LIFE, and may enter in through the gates into the city."

2. JESUS IS ROCK:

*. 1 Corinthians 10:4 "KJV:And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST."

*. Psalms 18:31 "For who is God save the Lord? or WHO IS A ROCK SAVE OUR GOD?"

*. Acts 4: 11"KJV: THIS IS THE STONE which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner."

1. JESUS IS FOOD:

*. John 6:33 " KJV
For THE BREAD of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and give life unto the world.

35 And Jesus said unto them, I AM THE BREAD of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

48
I AM THAT BREAD OF LIFE!

50
KJV:This is THE BREAD WHICH COMETH DOWN FROM HEAVEN, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

51
KJV:I AM THE LIVING BREAD which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

Maximus69:
The Biblical meaning of "INWARD or INNER~MAN"

Jesus came preaching and teaching, his teachings began sinking deep into the minds of a relatively few in his nation, but since his teachings isn't part of what people are used to they still finds it really difficult to make this new teachings become operational in their activities.

So Paul's statement hear is talking about the INNER PERSONALITY that Christ's teachings have inculcated in his followers which they are finding really hard to put on the outside! Matthew 26:41

Ok, thanks.
To me, b]INNER PERSONALITY[ is the soul,
MAN ON THE INSIDE

DappaD:
What's the essence of quoting a thousand and one scriptures if you cannot bring out any valid point?

What are your understanding of the following?:

*. Romans 7:22 "KJV:For I delight in the law of God after the INWARD MAN:

*. 2 Corinthians 4:16 "KJV:For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the INWARD MAN is renewed day by day."

*. Ephesians 3:16 "KJV:That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the INNER MAN;"

give Biblical meaning to
INWARD MAN or INNER MAN?

Maximus69:
Maintenance of falsehood will never make it true.

That's why you can't present a performing group having the idea as one, all those with falsehood will continue to scatter {Luke 11:23} they will never stand as one strong BODY! John 17:20-23

What are your understanding of the following?:



*. Romans 7:22 "KJV:For I delight in the law of God after the INWARD MAN:

*. 2 Corinthians 4:16 "KJV:For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the INWARD MAN is renewed day by day."

*. Ephesians 3:16 "KJV:That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the INNER MAN;"

give Biblical meaning to
INWARD MAN or INNER MAN?

Emusan:
Mr animals have soul

Do you think you have embarrassed yourself about animals having soul or not?

This is ne'phesh definition:

Definition

soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion

that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man

living being

living being (with life in the blood)

the man himself, self, person or individual

seat of the appetites

seat of emotions and passions

activity of mind
dubious

activity of the will
dubious

activity of the character
dubious

Can you tell us how the word Ne'phesh negates his discussion?

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/nas/nephesh.html

What of you who said, soul is the PERSON yet many times from the scripture we see people saying there's SOUL within them which means there's person inside their person.

They will see it and ignore, how they wish to replace the Word with watchtower:

*. Romans 7:22 "KJV:For I delight in the law of God after the INWARD MAN:

*. 2 Corinthians 4:16 "KJV:For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the INWARD MAN is renewed day by day."

*. Ephesians 3:16 "KJV:That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the INNER MAN;"

Can any of them give Biblical meaning to
INWARD MAN orINNER MAN?

Now the Bible says Jesus is the image(picture) of the Father.

*. Hebrews 1:3 "
KJV:Who being the brightness of his glory, and THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

*. Colossians 1:15 "KJV:Who is THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, the firstborn of every creature:

Image = picture. If you carry out the following experiment, you'll understand that Jesus = the true God.

Show this image to somebody around you.
Ask them "who is this?"
Only the person who does not know who he is can answer differently.

Brachaa:
author=KNOWMORE56 post=93841382]
1. Yes.
2. ;
Hell and lake of fire at two separate things. God will not use hell to punish sinners. Hell is simply the grave with no form of activities where everyone who dies go to.
3. ;
Yes. The lake of fire is not literal fire but a symbol that represents the function of fire. I want to believe as fire consumes something completely is how sinners ate going to totally perish, never to be in existence again. Because it also says hell and grave shall be cast into the lake of fire. So its more like to be in a state of oblivion ( nothingness).
Yes.
Nothing like torment in hell. I they'll be there waiting judgement day. Anyways, you can call it torment cos its not easy being in one place for years.but not literal torment.

"... HELL AND LAKE OF FIRE AT TWO SEPARATE THINGS."

I notice it like that in the Word.

"HELL IS SIMPLY THE GRAVE WITH NO FORM OF ACTIVITIES WHERE EVERYONE WHO DIES GO TO."

This one, if we should replace THE GRAVE
with HELL in all the places we find it in the Bible, is it going to be true? E.g:

*. Matthew 5:22 "KJV:But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of HELL fire.

REPLACED VERSION

KJV:But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of THE GRAVE fire.

*. Matthew 5:29 "KJV:And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into HELL.

REPLACED VERSION

"KJV:And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into THE GRAVE.

Maximus69:
Just present a better performing group than JWs!

Consider the following advices from the Word:

*. Matthew 24:4 "KJV:And Jesus answered and said unto them, TAKE HEED THAT NO MAN DECEIVE YOU.

*. Romans 16:18 "
KJV:For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and BY GOOD WORDS AND FAIR SPEECHES DECEIVE THE HEARTS OF THE SIMPLE.

*. 1 Corinthians 3:18 "KJV: LET NO MAN DECEIVE HIMSELF. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

*. Galatians 6:3 "
KJV: FOR IF A MAN THINK HIMSELF TO BE SOMETHING, WHEN HE IS NOTHING, HE DECEIVETH HIMSELF.

*. 1 Corinthians 6:9 "KJV:Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? BE NOT DECEIVED: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

*. 1 John 3:7 "KJV:Little children, LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU: HE THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS, even as he is righteous."

Note:
...TAKE HEED THAT NO MAN DECEIVE YOU...BY GOOD WORDS

AND FAIR SPEECHES DECEIVE THE HEARTS OF THE SIMPLE.

...LET NO MAN DECEIVE HIMSELF...FOR IF A MAN THINK HIMSELF TO BE SOMETHING,

WHEN HE IS NOTHING, HE DECEIVETH HIMSELF.

BE NOT DECEIVED...LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU...( for the 2nd time)

HE THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS...

Brachaa:
Hell is the grave. The final destination for lost souls is the lake of fire. Simple!

I want to get something clear about hell,

1. There's hell, it's nothing more than the common grave;

2. God will use fire (hell) to punish unrepentant sinners, but the fire won't be everlasting;

3. There's not going to be any fire were human beings will be roasted, God says such thing has never enter His heart;

4. Fire is symbol of the end of the sinners;

5. hell fire is the place sinners are tormented after death till the day of Judgment when they will be judged and cast into the lake of fire.

Please, I need to KNOWMORE

Maximus69:
Ask your Jesus nah!

Abi you're no more sure of your Jesus and your holy ghost?

Max no be like that na,

Do me a favor and choose 1-5.

haddeylium:
What kind of laziness is this
Save yourself of this embarrassment and research the meaning of Ne'phesh translated to soul.
/b]How can life depart from life?[b][/b]

haddeylium, I said flesh is not = soul.

Soul depart from flesh (body) =dead body (dead flesh) genesis 35 :18;

Soul depart from Jesus (Life) = dead soul, Matthew 25:41)

Maximus69:
Ogbeni her soul was departing there is self explanatory nah!

It simply means the character/personality known as Rachel is no more part of the story because she died!

A prophecy in the Bible book of Jeremiah 31:15 says "Rachel is found weeping in the wilderness because her children is no more" this doesn't implies that Rachel's soul is somewhere weeping but a metaphoric way of saying that the descendants of Benjamin (the son of Rachel) were the most affected when Herod the great ordered the killing of all the baby boys in Bethlehem! Matthew 2:18

God used the same metaphoric utterance when Cain killed Abel! Genesis 4:10

Body/flesh is considered dead when the soul and spirit is separated from it (genesis 35:18)

"KJV:And it came to pass, as her soul was in DEPARTING, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin."

Dead body and dead soul are two different things.

Soul is considered dead when it's separated from God. (Matthew 25:41)

"KJV:Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, DEPART from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"

If it's not with God (Jesus) it's definitely with the devil.

*. Philippians 1:23 "KJV:For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to DEPART, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

Note:
All the verses above have the word DEPART (SEPARATE);

It not STOP EXISTENCE!

I still maintain that "soul die" "soul kill" ...

does not stop the soul from existence.

DappaD:
Mr KNOWMORE56, Please when making claims, do well to attach Scriptures to back them up.
There's nothing you said up there that corroborates with any Scripture in the Bible.

And I thought we've been over the definition of ‘soul’? Why are you still getting it all mixed up?

Consider the following translations of Genesis 35:18

New Living Translation:

‘Rachel was about to die, but with her last breath she named the baby Ben-oni (which means “son of my sorrow”). The baby’s father, however, called him Benjamin (which means “son of my right hand”).’

New International Version:

‘As she breathed her last--for she was dying--she named her son Ben-Oni. But his father named him Benjamin.’

Holman Christian Standard Bible:

‘With her last breath--for she was dying--she named him Ben-oni, but his father called him Benjamin.’

New American Standard Bible:

‘It came about as her soul was departing (for she died), that she named him Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.’

Bible in Basic English:

‘And in the hour when her life went from her (for death came to her), she gave the child the name Ben-oni: but his father gave him the name of Benjamin.’

We've already drawn conclusions on what ‘breath/lifeforce’ and ‘soul’ are. Thus, from the Bible translations considered, we see that Genesis 35:18 explains that when Rachel “breathed her last” , “life went out from her” and she ceased to become a “living soul” with thoughts/feelings/traits.

Body/flesh is considered dead when the soul and spirit is separated from it (genesis 35:18)

"KJV:And it came to pass, as her soul was in DEPARTING, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin."

Dead body and dead soul are two different things.

Soul is considered dead when it's separated from God. (Matthew 25:41)

"KJV:Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, DEPART from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"

If it's not with God (Jesus) it's definitely with the devil.

*. Philippians 1:23 "KJV:For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to DEPART, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

Note:
All the verses above have the word DEPART (SEPARATE);

It not STOP EXISTENCE!

I still maintain that "soul die" "soul kill" ...

does not stop the soul from existence.

Janosky:
"Is it lawful to kill a soul or save a soul on the Sabbath day?"
"What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and lose his soul?"
Bros , Jesus Christ is asking you?

Mark3:4 , Matthew 16:26, Jesus Christ has confirmed that the soul is mortal.
Therefore,Ezekiel18:4 is SACROSANCT.
Bros, STOP TWISTING IT ;[/b]D

[b]Bros, a question for you:
when you factor in the words of Jesus @Mark3:4 and Matthew16:26, Where did Adam's soul go to when he died?

Body/flesh is considered dead when the soul and spirit is separated from it (genesis 35:18)

"KJV:And it came to pass, as her soul was in DEPARTING, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin."

Dead body and dead soul are two different things.

Soul is considered dead when it's separated from God. (Matthew 25:41)

"KJV:Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, DEPART from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"

If it's not with God (Jesus) it's definitely with the devil.

*. Philippians 1:23 "KJV:For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to DEPART, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

Note:
All the verses above have the word DEPART (SEPARATE);

It not STOP EXISTENCE!

I still maintain that "soul die" "soul kill" ...

does not stop the soul from existence.

Janosky:
"Is it lawful to kill a soul or save a soul on the Sabbath day?"
"What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and lose his soul?"
Bros , Jesus Christ is asking you?

Mark3:4 , Matthew 16:26, Jesus Christ has confirmed that the soul is mortal.
Therefore,Ezekiel18:4 is SACROSANCT.
Bros, STOP TWISTING IT ;[/b]D

[b]Bros, a question for you:
when you factor in the words of Jesus @Mark3:4 and Matthew16:26, Where did Adam's soul go to when he died?

'soul that commits sin shall die' does not mean SOUL THAT COMMITS SIN SHALL STOP EXISTENCE, No.

It means THE SOUL THAT COMMITS SIN SHALL BE SEPARATED FROM LIFE/LOVE /GOD.

*. Philippians1:23 "KJV:For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire TO DEPART, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

24
KJV:Nevertheless TO ABIDE IN THE FLESH is more needful for you. "

Note:
Paul still makes use of the word " TO DEPART" (SEPARATE)

in agreement with genesis 35:18

"KJV:And it came to pass, as her soul was in DEPARTING, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin."

DappaD:
Mr KNOWMORE56, Please when making claims, do well to attach Scriptures to back them up.
There's nothing you said up there that corroborates with any Scripture in the Bible.

And I thought we've been over the definition of ‘soul’? Why are you still getting it all mixed up?

Consider the following translations of Genesis 35:18

New Living Translation:

‘Rachel was about to die, but with her last breath she named the baby Ben-oni (which means “son of my sorrow”). The baby’s father, however, called him Benjamin (which means “son of my right hand”).’

New International Version:

‘As she breathed her last--for she was dying--she named her son Ben-Oni. But his father named him Benjamin.’

Holman Christian Standard Bible:

‘With her last breath--for she was dying--she named him Ben-oni, but his father called him Benjamin.’

New American Standard Bible:

‘It came about as her soul was departing (for she died), that she named him Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.’

Bible in Basic English:

‘And in the hour when her life went from her (for death came to her), she gave the child the name Ben-oni: but his father gave him the name of Benjamin.’

We've already drawn conclusions on what ‘breath/lifeforce’ and ‘soul’ are. Thus, from the Bible translations considered, we see that Genesis 35:18 explains that when Rachel “breathed her last” , “life went out from her” and she ceased to become a “living soul” with thoughts/feelings/trait

Other verses that show Soul is not = flesh (physical, earthly body)

*. Matthew 10:28 "KJV:And fear not them which kill THE BODY, but are not able to kill THE SOUL: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

*. Matthew 26:38 "
KJV:Then saith he unto them, MY SOUL IS EXCEEDING SORROWFUL, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me."

*. Luke 1:46 "46
KJV:And Mary said, MY SOUL DOTH MAGNIFY the Lord"

*. John 12:27 "KJV:Now is MY SOUL TROUBLED; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour."

*. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 "KJV:And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole[b] SPIRIT and SOUL and BODY be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"

*. Hebrews 4:12 "KJV:For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of
SOUL and SPIRIT,and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

*. 2 Peter 1:14 "KJV:Knowing that shortly I MUST PUT OF THIS MY TABERNACLE, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.

*. Philippians1:23 "KJV:For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire TO DEPART, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

24
KJV:Nevertheless TO ABIDE IN THE FLESH is more needful for you. "

Note:
Paul still makes use of the word " TO DEPART"

in agreement with genesis 35:18

"KJV:And it came to pass, as her soul was in DEPARTING, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin."

DappaD:
Mr KNOWMORE56, Please when making claims, do well to attach Scriptures to back them up.
There's nothing you said up there that corroborates with any Scripture in the Bible.

And I thought we've been over the definition of ‘soul’? Why are you still getting it all mixed up?

Consider the following translations of Genesis 35:18

New Living Translation:

‘Rachel was about to die, but with her last breath she named the baby Ben-oni (which means “son of my sorrow”). The baby’s father, however, called him Benjamin (which means “son of my right hand”).’

New International Version:

‘As she breathed her last--for she was dying--she named her son Ben-Oni. But his father named him Benjamin.’

Holman Christian Standard Bible:

‘With her last breath--for she was dying--she named him Ben-oni, but his father called him Benjamin.’

New American Standard Bible:

‘It came about as her soul was departing (for she died), that she named him Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.’

Bible in Basic English:

‘And in the hour when her life went from her (for death came to her), she gave the child the name Ben-oni: but his father gave him the name of Benjamin.’

We've already drawn conclusions on what ‘breath/lifeforce’ and ‘soul’ are. Thus, from the Bible translations considered, we see that Genesis 35:18 explains that when Rachel “breathed her last” , “life went out from her” and she ceased to become a “living soul” with thoughts/feelings/trait

I still maintain that "
this is the Biblical definition of death
"HER SOUL WAS IN DEPARTING, (for she died)"

*. Genesis 35:18 "KJV:And it came to pass, as HER SOUL WAS IN DEPARTING, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

This is Biblical, yet you said "There's nothing you said up there that corroborates with any Scripture in the Bible."

I want to get something clear about hell,

1. There's hell, it's nothing more than the common grave;

2. God will use fire to punish unrepentant sinners, but the fire won't be everlasting;

3. There's not going to be any fire were human beings will be roasted, God says such thing has never enter His heart;

4. Fire is symbol of the end of the sinners;

5. hell fire is the place sinners are tormented after death till the day of Judgment when they will be judged and cast into the lake of fire.

Please, I need to KNOWMORE

Maximus69, Janosky, dappaD, and any other person who can help me should get in. Thanks.

solite3:
you are correct hell fire is the place sinners are tormented after death till the day of Judgment when they will be judged and cast into the lake of fire.

Tell the watchtower devotees.

Maybe some of them will be delivered.

Janosky:
Continue to console yourself with FALSE claims.
Psalms 6:4-5, what is David doing in that place, Hebrew 7585?
Job14:13-14, what is Job doing in that place, Hebrew 7585?
Who will put both men in hell @ Psalms 6:4-5 and Job14:13-14 ?
Because you have something to hide, Why have you refused to explain why your Bible use "the grave" and "hell" for Hebrew 7585 "Sheol"?

Anyhow you want to twist Hebrew 7585, that same word applies to Job , David and everyone else in the Bible, except Jehovah God & his angelic sons.
Your wishy-washy claim can't change that

Your problem is you hardly answer questions.

If we should replace "common grave" with HELL all places we see it in the Word,

you'll see that the organization had done you more harm than good.

OtemAtum:
Wait o, did Jehovah call you aside to explain these to you? Because these are not found in the bible o o:

Lol @did Jehovah call you aside to explain these to you?

Maximus69:
The bolded has a symbolic meaning just like the rest of things mentioned in the book called Revelations!

But since you feel like you've gotten the sense, go out there and make disciples of people of all the nation baptise them in the name of the God who is teaching you this concept! Matthew 28:19-20

Watchout whether you're going to make real disciples or gaggles of no virtuous repute! Matthew 7:16-20

Any symbol that the Word does not give us it meaning, better take it as it is than forcing your "meaning" into it!

forcing your "meaning" into it is what have lead to the many misinterpretation of the Word;

and your organization is the chief in this regard.

Although my God (Jesus) will deliver you

DappaD:
Certainly, but does this ‘spirit’ contain the thoughts/feelings/personality/traits about the human being? If you say that the spirit at Ecclesiastes 3:21 is talking about one with thoughts/feelings—that means all humans including wicked people are going to heaven to reside with God?
When David said “man is nothing but a mere breath.”(Psalm 39:5) and when Job said “all mankind will return to dust.”(Job 34:15)—what do you think they meant?
First, what is the make up of a human being with a personality/feelings?
Genesis 2:7 answers for us:

“And Jehovah God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground [body] and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life[impersonal spirit/lifeforce], and the man became a living person[living soul with feelings/thoughts]”

So as the scriptures indicate—it's only when these two impersonal things(DUST and BREATH OF LIFE) come together by God's magnificent wisdom, that a living person, a human being with thoughts and feelings can come about.

If there was actually a spirit/angel trapped in every human being then the apostle Paul wouldn't have said that
“...there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort.”—1Corinthians 15:40



Mr KNOWMORE56,
Why are you trying so hard to fit your own thinking into Ezekiel 18:4?

Jehovah God himself said there that:

“The soul(person with thoughts/feelings) who sins is the one who will die”

The Bible further highlights that human beings(descendants of Adam) are ALL sinners and as such they are ALL prone to Adamic death.(Romans 3:23, 5:12, 6:23)
There are no scriptures(and I mean not even one) in the Bible that support the doctrine of an immortal soul.

*. Genesis 35:18 "KJV:And it came to pass, as HER SOUL WAS IN DEPARTING, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

Note:
this is the Biblical definition of death
"HER SOUL WAS IN DEPARTING, (for she died)"

The soul departed,[/b]the body[b][b][/b]is then regarded as dead.


This departed soul is regarded as dead when Life, Love, God separates it/him from Himself.

Such soul have to spend eternity with the devil whom he served. IT IS CALLED THE 2nd death.

DappaD:
Certainly, but does this ‘spirit’ contain the thoughts/feelings/personality/traits about the human being? If you say that the spirit at Ecclesiastes 3:21 is talking about one with thoughts/feelings—that means all humans including wicked people are going to heaven to reside with God?
When David said “man is nothing but a mere breath.”(Psalm 39:5) and when Job said “all mankind will return to dust.”(Job 34:15)—what do you think they meant?
First, what is the make up of a human being with a personality/feelings?
Genesis 2:7 answers for us:

“And Jehovah God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground [body] and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life[impersonal spirit/lifeforce], and the man became a living person[living soul with feelings/thoughts]”

So as the scriptures indicate—it's only when these two impersonal things(DUST and BREATH OF LIFE) come together by God's magnificent wisdom, that a living person, a human being with thoughts and feelings can come about.

If there was actually a spirit/angel trapped in every human being then the apostle Paul wouldn't have said that
“...there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort.”—1Corinthians 15:40



Mr KNOWMORE56,
Why are you trying so hard to fit your own thinking into Ezekiel 18:4?

Jehovah God himself said there that:

“The soul(person with thoughts/feelings) who sins is the one who will die”

The Bible further highlights that human beings(descendants of Adam) are ALL sinners and as such they are ALL prone to Adamic death.(Romans 3:23, 5:12, 6:23)
There are no scriptures(and I mean not even one) in the Bible that support the doctrine of an immortal soul.

The word says " the spirit return to God Who gave it"

You are the one adding TO RESIDE.

what I see from the Word is AFTER DEATH IT'S JUDGEMENT.

This JUDGEMENT starts like this:

spirit of the sinners return to God, He rejects them but accepts that of saints.

THE APPOINTMENT OF WHERE EACH SPIRIT THAT RETURNS TO HIM SHOULD BE
IS THE JUDGEMENT WHICH FOLLOWS IMMEDIATELY AFTER DEATH.

[/b]

haddeylium:
If you calm down.... You'll learn

Note the bolded

King James Version
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man[b] of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


Notice that[b][/b]it does not say that man was given a soul[b][/b]but that he became a soul, a living soul(person)

Prior the time he was given the breath of life(spirit/lifefforce), he was a dead soul

What makes up the a living soul is the dust of the ground and breath of life.
So, when the breath (spirit) exist the body, you have a dead soul.
Just like when electricity (breathe/spirit) go off from an appliance (soul)
Compare with Rev 16:3
Why you denying animal soul immortality ?... what's your scriptural evidence

This is the bolded "THEY HAVE ALL ONE BREATH(spirit)"

which word here has the same meaning with soul?

@ the bolded, that's why I'm wondering how you want to take breath = soul.

Prior the time he was given the breath of life(spirit/lifefforce), [/color] nothing existed as man[color=#006600]

when the breath (spirit) exist the body, you have a [/color] dead body, not dead soul[color=#006600]

haddeylium:
Intelligent
You have to explain why animals souls are not immortal

But, while you're at it
Consider; Ecclesiastes 3:19,20

9for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome.[b] As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. so man has no superiority over animals, [/b]for everything is futile.20[b]All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust.

Do you understand now or you can explain?

Soul is the 'frame' that carries the spirit of/in man.

I do not see the word SOUL in Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

*. Ecclesiastes 3:19 "
KJV:For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20
KJV:All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21
KJV:Who knoweth THE SPIRIT OF MAN that GOETH UPWARD, and THE SPIRIT OF THE BEAST that GOETH DOWNWARD to the earth?

Note:
The speaker is just comparing and contrasting man and animals:

THE SPIRIT OF MAN...GOETH UPWARD,
and

THE SPIRIT OF THE BEAST GOETH DOWNWARD...

@ Maximus69

Other verses that show[b][/b]Soul is not = flesh (physical, earthly body)[/b]

*. Matthew 10:28 "KJV:And fear not them which kill THE BODY, but are not able to kill THE SOUL: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

*. Matthew 26:38 "
KJV:Then saith he unto them, MY SOUL iYs EXCEEDING SORROWFUL, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me."

*. Luke 1:46 "46
KJV:And Mary said, MY SOUL DOTH MAGNIFY the Lord"

*. John 12:27 "KJV:Now is MY SOUL TROUBLED; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour."

*. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 "KJV:And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole[b] SPIRIT and SOUL and BODY be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"

*. Hebrews 4:12 "KJV:For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of [/color]SOUL and SPIRIT,[color=#990000][b][/b] and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

haddeylium:
Does animal have immortal soul too?

No, animals don't have immortal souls.