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Image = picture. If you carry out the following experiment, you'll understand that Jesus = the true God.

Show this image to somebody around you.
Ask them "who is this?"
Only the person who does not know who he is can answer differently.

Brachaa:
author=KNOWMORE56 post=93841382]
1. Yes.
2. ;
Hell and lake of fire at two separate things. God will not use hell to punish sinners. Hell is simply the grave with no form of activities where everyone who dies go to.
3. ;
Yes. The lake of fire is not literal fire but a symbol that represents the function of fire. I want to believe as fire consumes something completely is how sinners ate going to totally perish, never to be in existence again. Because it also says hell and grave shall be cast into the lake of fire. So its more like to be in a state of oblivion ( nothingness).
Yes.
Nothing like torment in hell. I they'll be there waiting judgement day. Anyways, you can call it torment cos its not easy being in one place for years.but not literal torment.

"... HELL AND LAKE OF FIRE AT TWO SEPARATE THINGS."

I notice it like that in the Word.

"HELL IS SIMPLY THE GRAVE WITH NO FORM OF ACTIVITIES WHERE EVERYONE WHO DIES GO TO."

This one, if we should replace THE GRAVE
with HELL in all the places we find it in the Bible, is it going to be true? E.g:

*. Matthew 5:22 "KJV:But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of HELL fire.

REPLACED VERSION

KJV:But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of THE GRAVE fire.

*. Matthew 5:29 "KJV:And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into HELL.

REPLACED VERSION

"KJV:And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into THE GRAVE.

Maximus69:
Just present a better performing group than JWs!

Consider the following advices from the Word:

*. Matthew 24:4 "KJV:And Jesus answered and said unto them, TAKE HEED THAT NO MAN DECEIVE YOU.

*. Romans 16:18 "
KJV:For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and BY GOOD WORDS AND FAIR SPEECHES DECEIVE THE HEARTS OF THE SIMPLE.

*. 1 Corinthians 3:18 "KJV: LET NO MAN DECEIVE HIMSELF. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

*. Galatians 6:3 "
KJV: FOR IF A MAN THINK HIMSELF TO BE SOMETHING, WHEN HE IS NOTHING, HE DECEIVETH HIMSELF.

*. 1 Corinthians 6:9 "KJV:Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? BE NOT DECEIVED: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

*. 1 John 3:7 "KJV:Little children, LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU: HE THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS, even as he is righteous."

Note:
...TAKE HEED THAT NO MAN DECEIVE YOU...BY GOOD WORDS

AND FAIR SPEECHES DECEIVE THE HEARTS OF THE SIMPLE.

...LET NO MAN DECEIVE HIMSELF...FOR IF A MAN THINK HIMSELF TO BE SOMETHING,

WHEN HE IS NOTHING, HE DECEIVETH HIMSELF.

BE NOT DECEIVED...LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU...( for the 2nd time)

HE THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS...

Brachaa:
Hell is the grave. The final destination for lost souls is the lake of fire. Simple!

I want to get something clear about hell,

1. There's hell, it's nothing more than the common grave;

2. God will use fire (hell) to punish unrepentant sinners, but the fire won't be everlasting;

3. There's not going to be any fire were human beings will be roasted, God says such thing has never enter His heart;

4. Fire is symbol of the end of the sinners;

5. hell fire is the place sinners are tormented after death till the day of Judgment when they will be judged and cast into the lake of fire.

Please, I need to KNOWMORE

Maximus69:
Ask your Jesus nah!

Abi you're no more sure of your Jesus and your holy ghost?

Max no be like that na,

Do me a favor and choose 1-5.

haddeylium:
What kind of laziness is this
Save yourself of this embarrassment and research the meaning of Ne'phesh translated to soul.
/b]How can life depart from life?[b][/b]

haddeylium, I said flesh is not = soul.

Soul depart from flesh (body) =dead body (dead flesh) genesis 35 :18;

Soul depart from Jesus (Life) = dead soul, Matthew 25:41)

Maximus69:
Ogbeni her soul was departing there is self explanatory nah!

It simply means the character/personality known as Rachel is no more part of the story because she died!

A prophecy in the Bible book of Jeremiah 31:15 says "Rachel is found weeping in the wilderness because her children is no more" this doesn't implies that Rachel's soul is somewhere weeping but a metaphoric way of saying that the descendants of Benjamin (the son of Rachel) were the most affected when Herod the great ordered the killing of all the baby boys in Bethlehem! Matthew 2:18

God used the same metaphoric utterance when Cain killed Abel! Genesis 4:10

Body/flesh is considered dead when the soul and spirit is separated from it (genesis 35:18)

"KJV:And it came to pass, as her soul was in DEPARTING, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin."

Dead body and dead soul are two different things.

Soul is considered dead when it's separated from God. (Matthew 25:41)

"KJV:Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, DEPART from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"

If it's not with God (Jesus) it's definitely with the devil.

*. Philippians 1:23 "KJV:For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to DEPART, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

Note:
All the verses above have the word DEPART (SEPARATE);

It not STOP EXISTENCE!

I still maintain that "soul die" "soul kill" ...

does not stop the soul from existence.

DappaD:
Mr KNOWMORE56, Please when making claims, do well to attach Scriptures to back them up.
There's nothing you said up there that corroborates with any Scripture in the Bible.

And I thought we've been over the definition of ‘soul’? Why are you still getting it all mixed up?

Consider the following translations of Genesis 35:18

New Living Translation:

‘Rachel was about to die, but with her last breath she named the baby Ben-oni (which means “son of my sorrow”). The baby’s father, however, called him Benjamin (which means “son of my right hand”).’

New International Version:

‘As she breathed her last--for she was dying--she named her son Ben-Oni. But his father named him Benjamin.’

Holman Christian Standard Bible:

‘With her last breath--for she was dying--she named him Ben-oni, but his father called him Benjamin.’

New American Standard Bible:

‘It came about as her soul was departing (for she died), that she named him Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.’

Bible in Basic English:

‘And in the hour when her life went from her (for death came to her), she gave the child the name Ben-oni: but his father gave him the name of Benjamin.’

We've already drawn conclusions on what ‘breath/lifeforce’ and ‘soul’ are. Thus, from the Bible translations considered, we see that Genesis 35:18 explains that when Rachel “breathed her last” , “life went out from her” and she ceased to become a “living soul” with thoughts/feelings/traits.

Body/flesh is considered dead when the soul and spirit is separated from it (genesis 35:18)

"KJV:And it came to pass, as her soul was in DEPARTING, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin."

Dead body and dead soul are two different things.

Soul is considered dead when it's separated from God. (Matthew 25:41)

"KJV:Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, DEPART from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"

If it's not with God (Jesus) it's definitely with the devil.

*. Philippians 1:23 "KJV:For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to DEPART, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

Note:
All the verses above have the word DEPART (SEPARATE);

It not STOP EXISTENCE!

I still maintain that "soul die" "soul kill" ...

does not stop the soul from existence.

Janosky:
"Is it lawful to kill a soul or save a soul on the Sabbath day?"
"What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and lose his soul?"
Bros , Jesus Christ is asking you?

Mark3:4 , Matthew 16:26, Jesus Christ has confirmed that the soul is mortal.
Therefore,Ezekiel18:4 is SACROSANCT.
Bros, STOP TWISTING IT ;[/b]D

[b]Bros, a question for you:
when you factor in the words of Jesus @Mark3:4 and Matthew16:26, Where did Adam's soul go to when he died?

Body/flesh is considered dead when the soul and spirit is separated from it (genesis 35:18)

"KJV:And it came to pass, as her soul was in DEPARTING, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin."

Dead body and dead soul are two different things.

Soul is considered dead when it's separated from God. (Matthew 25:41)

"KJV:Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, DEPART from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"

If it's not with God (Jesus) it's definitely with the devil.

*. Philippians 1:23 "KJV:For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to DEPART, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

Note:
All the verses above have the word DEPART (SEPARATE);

It not STOP EXISTENCE!

I still maintain that "soul die" "soul kill" ...

does not stop the soul from existence.

Janosky:
"Is it lawful to kill a soul or save a soul on the Sabbath day?"
"What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and lose his soul?"
Bros , Jesus Christ is asking you?

Mark3:4 , Matthew 16:26, Jesus Christ has confirmed that the soul is mortal.
Therefore,Ezekiel18:4 is SACROSANCT.
Bros, STOP TWISTING IT ;[/b]D

[b]Bros, a question for you:
when you factor in the words of Jesus @Mark3:4 and Matthew16:26, Where did Adam's soul go to when he died?

'soul that commits sin shall die' does not mean SOUL THAT COMMITS SIN SHALL STOP EXISTENCE, No.

It means THE SOUL THAT COMMITS SIN SHALL BE SEPARATED FROM LIFE/LOVE /GOD.

*. Philippians1:23 "KJV:For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire TO DEPART, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

24
KJV:Nevertheless TO ABIDE IN THE FLESH is more needful for you. "

Note:
Paul still makes use of the word " TO DEPART" (SEPARATE)

in agreement with genesis 35:18

"KJV:And it came to pass, as her soul was in DEPARTING, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin."

DappaD:
Mr KNOWMORE56, Please when making claims, do well to attach Scriptures to back them up.
There's nothing you said up there that corroborates with any Scripture in the Bible.

And I thought we've been over the definition of ‘soul’? Why are you still getting it all mixed up?

Consider the following translations of Genesis 35:18

New Living Translation:

‘Rachel was about to die, but with her last breath she named the baby Ben-oni (which means “son of my sorrow”). The baby’s father, however, called him Benjamin (which means “son of my right hand”).’

New International Version:

‘As she breathed her last--for she was dying--she named her son Ben-Oni. But his father named him Benjamin.’

Holman Christian Standard Bible:

‘With her last breath--for she was dying--she named him Ben-oni, but his father called him Benjamin.’

New American Standard Bible:

‘It came about as her soul was departing (for she died), that she named him Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.’

Bible in Basic English:

‘And in the hour when her life went from her (for death came to her), she gave the child the name Ben-oni: but his father gave him the name of Benjamin.’

We've already drawn conclusions on what ‘breath/lifeforce’ and ‘soul’ are. Thus, from the Bible translations considered, we see that Genesis 35:18 explains that when Rachel “breathed her last” , “life went out from her” and she ceased to become a “living soul” with thoughts/feelings/trait

Other verses that show Soul is not = flesh (physical, earthly body)

*. Matthew 10:28 "KJV:And fear not them which kill THE BODY, but are not able to kill THE SOUL: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

*. Matthew 26:38 "
KJV:Then saith he unto them, MY SOUL IS EXCEEDING SORROWFUL, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me."

*. Luke 1:46 "46
KJV:And Mary said, MY SOUL DOTH MAGNIFY the Lord"

*. John 12:27 "KJV:Now is MY SOUL TROUBLED; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour."

*. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 "KJV:And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole[b] SPIRIT and SOUL and BODY be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"

*. Hebrews 4:12 "KJV:For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of
SOUL and SPIRIT,and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

*. 2 Peter 1:14 "KJV:Knowing that shortly I MUST PUT OF THIS MY TABERNACLE, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.

*. Philippians1:23 "KJV:For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire TO DEPART, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

24
KJV:Nevertheless TO ABIDE IN THE FLESH is more needful for you. "

Note:
Paul still makes use of the word " TO DEPART"

in agreement with genesis 35:18

"KJV:And it came to pass, as her soul was in DEPARTING, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin."

DappaD:
Mr KNOWMORE56, Please when making claims, do well to attach Scriptures to back them up.
There's nothing you said up there that corroborates with any Scripture in the Bible.

And I thought we've been over the definition of ‘soul’? Why are you still getting it all mixed up?

Consider the following translations of Genesis 35:18

New Living Translation:

‘Rachel was about to die, but with her last breath she named the baby Ben-oni (which means “son of my sorrow”). The baby’s father, however, called him Benjamin (which means “son of my right hand”).’

New International Version:

‘As she breathed her last--for she was dying--she named her son Ben-Oni. But his father named him Benjamin.’

Holman Christian Standard Bible:

‘With her last breath--for she was dying--she named him Ben-oni, but his father called him Benjamin.’

New American Standard Bible:

‘It came about as her soul was departing (for she died), that she named him Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.’

Bible in Basic English:

‘And in the hour when her life went from her (for death came to her), she gave the child the name Ben-oni: but his father gave him the name of Benjamin.’

We've already drawn conclusions on what ‘breath/lifeforce’ and ‘soul’ are. Thus, from the Bible translations considered, we see that Genesis 35:18 explains that when Rachel “breathed her last” , “life went out from her” and she ceased to become a “living soul” with thoughts/feelings/trait

I still maintain that "
this is the Biblical definition of death
"HER SOUL WAS IN DEPARTING, (for she died)"

*. Genesis 35:18 "KJV:And it came to pass, as HER SOUL WAS IN DEPARTING, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

This is Biblical, yet you said "There's nothing you said up there that corroborates with any Scripture in the Bible."

I want to get something clear about hell,

1. There's hell, it's nothing more than the common grave;

2. God will use fire to punish unrepentant sinners, but the fire won't be everlasting;

3. There's not going to be any fire were human beings will be roasted, God says such thing has never enter His heart;

4. Fire is symbol of the end of the sinners;

5. hell fire is the place sinners are tormented after death till the day of Judgment when they will be judged and cast into the lake of fire.

Please, I need to KNOWMORE

Maximus69, Janosky, dappaD, and any other person who can help me should get in. Thanks.

solite3:
you are correct hell fire is the place sinners are tormented after death till the day of Judgment when they will be judged and cast into the lake of fire.

Tell the watchtower devotees.

Maybe some of them will be delivered.

Janosky:
Continue to console yourself with FALSE claims.
Psalms 6:4-5, what is David doing in that place, Hebrew 7585?
Job14:13-14, what is Job doing in that place, Hebrew 7585?
Who will put both men in hell @ Psalms 6:4-5 and Job14:13-14 ?
Because you have something to hide, Why have you refused to explain why your Bible use "the grave" and "hell" for Hebrew 7585 "Sheol"?

Anyhow you want to twist Hebrew 7585, that same word applies to Job , David and everyone else in the Bible, except Jehovah God & his angelic sons.
Your wishy-washy claim can't change that

Your problem is you hardly answer questions.

If we should replace "common grave" with HELL all places we see it in the Word,

you'll see that the organization had done you more harm than good.

OtemAtum:
Wait o, did Jehovah call you aside to explain these to you? Because these are not found in the bible o o:

Lol @did Jehovah call you aside to explain these to you?

Maximus69:
The bolded has a symbolic meaning just like the rest of things mentioned in the book called Revelations!

But since you feel like you've gotten the sense, go out there and make disciples of people of all the nation baptise them in the name of the God who is teaching you this concept! Matthew 28:19-20

Watchout whether you're going to make real disciples or gaggles of no virtuous repute! Matthew 7:16-20

Any symbol that the Word does not give us it meaning, better take it as it is than forcing your "meaning" into it!

forcing your "meaning" into it is what have lead to the many misinterpretation of the Word;

and your organization is the chief in this regard.

Although my God (Jesus) will deliver you

DappaD:
Certainly, but does this ‘spirit’ contain the thoughts/feelings/personality/traits about the human being? If you say that the spirit at Ecclesiastes 3:21 is talking about one with thoughts/feelings—that means all humans including wicked people are going to heaven to reside with God?
When David said “man is nothing but a mere breath.”(Psalm 39:5) and when Job said “all mankind will return to dust.”(Job 34:15)—what do you think they meant?
First, what is the make up of a human being with a personality/feelings?
Genesis 2:7 answers for us:

“And Jehovah God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground [body] and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life[impersonal spirit/lifeforce], and the man became a living person[living soul with feelings/thoughts]”

So as the scriptures indicate—it's only when these two impersonal things(DUST and BREATH OF LIFE) come together by God's magnificent wisdom, that a living person, a human being with thoughts and feelings can come about.

If there was actually a spirit/angel trapped in every human being then the apostle Paul wouldn't have said that
“...there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort.”—1Corinthians 15:40



Mr KNOWMORE56,
Why are you trying so hard to fit your own thinking into Ezekiel 18:4?

Jehovah God himself said there that:

“The soul(person with thoughts/feelings) who sins is the one who will die”

The Bible further highlights that human beings(descendants of Adam) are ALL sinners and as such they are ALL prone to Adamic death.(Romans 3:23, 5:12, 6:23)
There are no scriptures(and I mean not even one) in the Bible that support the doctrine of an immortal soul.

*. Genesis 35:18 "KJV:And it came to pass, as HER SOUL WAS IN DEPARTING, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

Note:
this is the Biblical definition of death
"HER SOUL WAS IN DEPARTING, (for she died)"

The soul departed,[/b]the body[b][b][/b]is then regarded as dead.


This departed soul is regarded as dead when Life, Love, God separates it/him from Himself.

Such soul have to spend eternity with the devil whom he served. IT IS CALLED THE 2nd death.

DappaD:
Certainly, but does this ‘spirit’ contain the thoughts/feelings/personality/traits about the human being? If you say that the spirit at Ecclesiastes 3:21 is talking about one with thoughts/feelings—that means all humans including wicked people are going to heaven to reside with God?
When David said “man is nothing but a mere breath.”(Psalm 39:5) and when Job said “all mankind will return to dust.”(Job 34:15)—what do you think they meant?
First, what is the make up of a human being with a personality/feelings?
Genesis 2:7 answers for us:

“And Jehovah God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground [body] and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life[impersonal spirit/lifeforce], and the man became a living person[living soul with feelings/thoughts]”

So as the scriptures indicate—it's only when these two impersonal things(DUST and BREATH OF LIFE) come together by God's magnificent wisdom, that a living person, a human being with thoughts and feelings can come about.

If there was actually a spirit/angel trapped in every human being then the apostle Paul wouldn't have said that
“...there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort.”—1Corinthians 15:40



Mr KNOWMORE56,
Why are you trying so hard to fit your own thinking into Ezekiel 18:4?

Jehovah God himself said there that:

“The soul(person with thoughts/feelings) who sins is the one who will die”

The Bible further highlights that human beings(descendants of Adam) are ALL sinners and as such they are ALL prone to Adamic death.(Romans 3:23, 5:12, 6:23)
There are no scriptures(and I mean not even one) in the Bible that support the doctrine of an immortal soul.

The word says " the spirit return to God Who gave it"

You are the one adding TO RESIDE.

what I see from the Word is AFTER DEATH IT'S JUDGEMENT.

This JUDGEMENT starts like this:

spirit of the sinners return to God, He rejects them but accepts that of saints.

THE APPOINTMENT OF WHERE EACH SPIRIT THAT RETURNS TO HIM SHOULD BE
IS THE JUDGEMENT WHICH FOLLOWS IMMEDIATELY AFTER DEATH.

[/b]

haddeylium:
If you calm down.... You'll learn

Note the bolded

King James Version
Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man[b] of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


Notice that[b][/b]it does not say that man was given a soul[b][/b]but that he became a soul, a living soul(person)

Prior the time he was given the breath of life(spirit/lifefforce), he was a dead soul

What makes up the a living soul is the dust of the ground and breath of life.
So, when the breath (spirit) exist the body, you have a dead soul.
Just like when electricity (breathe/spirit) go off from an appliance (soul)
Compare with Rev 16:3
Why you denying animal soul immortality ?... what's your scriptural evidence

This is the bolded "THEY HAVE ALL ONE BREATH(spirit)"

which word here has the same meaning with soul?

@ the bolded, that's why I'm wondering how you want to take breath = soul.

Prior the time he was given the breath of life(spirit/lifefforce), [/color] nothing existed as man[color=#006600]

when the breath (spirit) exist the body, you have a [/color] dead body, not dead soul[color=#006600]

haddeylium:
Intelligent
You have to explain why animals souls are not immortal

But, while you're at it
Consider; Ecclesiastes 3:19,20

9for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome.[b] As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. so man has no superiority over animals, [/b]for everything is futile.20[b]All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust.

Do you understand now or you can explain?

Soul is the 'frame' that carries the spirit of/in man.

I do not see the word SOUL in Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

*. Ecclesiastes 3:19 "
KJV:For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20
KJV:All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21
KJV:Who knoweth THE SPIRIT OF MAN that GOETH UPWARD, and THE SPIRIT OF THE BEAST that GOETH DOWNWARD to the earth?

Note:
The speaker is just comparing and contrasting man and animals:

THE SPIRIT OF MAN...GOETH UPWARD,
and

THE SPIRIT OF THE BEAST GOETH DOWNWARD...

@ Maximus69

Other verses that show[b][/b]Soul is not = flesh (physical, earthly body)[/b]

*. Matthew 10:28 "KJV:And fear not them which kill THE BODY, but are not able to kill THE SOUL: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

*. Matthew 26:38 "
KJV:Then saith he unto them, MY SOUL iYs EXCEEDING SORROWFUL, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me."

*. Luke 1:46 "46
KJV:And Mary said, MY SOUL DOTH MAGNIFY the Lord"

*. John 12:27 "KJV:Now is MY SOUL TROUBLED; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour."

*. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 "KJV:And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole[b] SPIRIT and SOUL and BODY be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"

*. Hebrews 4:12 "KJV:For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of [/color]SOUL and SPIRIT,[color=#990000][b][/b] and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

haddeylium:
Does animal have immortal soul too?

No, animals don't have immortal souls.

Maximus69:
If we're explaining the scriptures you and your cohorts will say JWs are twisting it.
Now see your life, God's word said "SOUL WILL DIE" but instead of you to humble yourself and learn, you're now trying to twist God's word.
Are you saying God doesn't understand what a soul means?

My friend, the Soul means a creature and one of the characteristics of a living thing is DEATH!

I have posted that [/b]
1. Soul is not = flesh (physical, earthly body);

*. Genesis 35:18 "KJV:And it came to pass, as HER SOUL WAS IN[b] DEPARTING, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.

2. 'soul that commits sin shall die' does not mean SOUL THAT COMMITS SIN SHALL STOP EXISTENCE, No.

It means THE SOUL THAT COMMITS SIN SHALL BE SEPARATED FROM LIFE/LOVE /GOD.[/b]

*. Genesis 49:6 "KJV:O MY SOUL, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.

Note:
The speaker in Genesis 49:6 is not referring to the flesh/physical body.

'HER SOUL WAS IN DEPARTING' is the Biblical definition of die.[b]

Maximus69:
The highlighted is your own manipulation Sir!

What the scriptures says is clear enough,

The SOUL that sin will die! Ezekiel 18:4

So you can't twist this my friend, God's word is straightforward and clear!

Once you have understood that [/b]The SOUL that sin will die![b]

Does not cancel [/b]the soul is immortal[b],

Let me know so that we can go to hell/hellfire/lake of fire.

Death means separation from...

1. Physical death = separation from loved ones;

separation from the earth;

separation of the body from the soul.

2. Spiritual death = separation of the soul from Jesus (i.e Jesus=life, John 14:6);

separation of the soul from Love (i.e God 1john 4:

So the soul sinneth shall be separated from Life/LOVE/God.

Alright?

Maximus69:
You are a disappointment!

Because you said "souls can't die, souls are immortal"

Now that you can see for yourself that the Bible (God's word) didn't agree with your assertion you want to shift the goal post shey?

My friend, whether you like it or not what God's word said is Adam is dead completely nothing survives after a man dies!

I posted
[/b]
this statement 'AND MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL' means MAN BECAME SOUL THAT CAN NOT DIE.
The soul is eternal![/b]


You then posted[b]
SOUL CAN DIE Ezekiel 18:4'[b]

I then quoted this your sentence in my reply to your post and explained to you what it means.

The summary of what I'm saying is that

1. Soul is not = flesh (physical, earthly body);

2. 'soul that commits sin shall die' does not mean SOUL THAT COMMITS SIN SHALL STOP EXISTENCE, No.

It means THE SOUL THAT COMMITS SIN SHALL BE SEPARATED FROM LIFE/LOVE /GOD.

Maximus69:
God's word proves that the bolded is a lie, because it's stated that SOUL CAN DIE Ezekiel 18:4

And @ Luke 23:43 Jesus said

"I promise you today, you will be with me in Paradise"

First of all, Paradise is going to be here on earth not heaven.

Secondly only Born Again Christians can go to heaven!

Finally Jesus was in the grave for three consecutive days so it couldn't have been that same day that he went to Paradise with the thief!

'SOUL CAN DIE Ezekiel 18:4'

Death means separation from...

1. Physical death = separation from loved ones;
separation from the earth;

separation of the body from the soul.

2. Spiritual death = separation of the soul from Jesus (i.e Jesus=life, John 14:6);

separation of the soul from Love (i.e God 1john 4:.


So the soul sinneth shall be separated from Life/LOVE/God.


Today has no 2nd meaning.

Jesus said "Father, into your hand I commit my spirit"

This means He went to the Father.

Maximus69:
God's word proves that the bolded is a lie, because it's stated that SOUL CAN DIE Ezekiel 18:4

And @ Luke 23:43 Jesus said

"I promise you today, you will be with me in Paradise"

First of all, Paradise is going to be here on earth not heaven.

Secondly only Born Again Christians can go to heaven!

Finally Jesus was in the grave for three consecutive days so it couldn't have been that same day that he went to Paradise with the thief!

My posts is to show from the Word that soul is not = flesh/physical body.

Ken4Christ:
So, you are saying, it should read, the sorrows of grave or the pains of grave? How does it sound to you? You are contradicting yourself because you believe the dead knows nothing. So, how come they are having sorrows in the grave and pains also? You must believe one. If you say it was wrongly translated hell, that it should be grave. Is there sorrow in the grave?

He won't answer the question

Righteousness89:
Many Do not Know or See What is Happening on Earth. There are Major Terrible Shakings Just as the Holy Bible Records Going on all over the World..

Beginning From Today the 8th of September, I will be putting these Events just as they Happen

This is not to Scare anyone. .

The Purpose of this is to Wake those who care for their Soul.
The Purpose of this is to Let us Remember that we are only on transit here. This is not our Home.
The Purpose of this is to Remind us that we are at the Verge of the RAPTURE! The Greatest Event to Hit Mankind and the need for us to Sit up and Ensure our Preparation is Topnotch..

Feel free to Share them to all and Sundry..

The sinners are blaming God for promised punishment for unrepentant sinners.

They often blast whoever reminds them of the consequences of sin (i.e hellfire)

No one of them is blaming himself for rejecting the solution God provides, ( i.e Jesus)

No one of them is grateful for the opportunity given for amendment of his way, ( i.e they are still alive)

*. Jeremiah 7:3 "KJV: THUS SAITH THE LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, AMEND YOUR WAYS AND YOUR DOINGS, and I will cause you to dwell in this place."

5
KJV:For IF YE THROUGHLY AMEND YOUR WAYS AND YOUR DOINGS; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour...

*. Jeremiah 26:13 "KJV: THEREFORE NOW AMEND YOUR WAYS AND YOUR DOINGS, and obey the voice of the Lord your God; AND THE LORD WILL REPENT HIM OF THE EVIL THAT HE HATH PRONOUNCED AGAINST YOU"

*. Jeremiah 35:15 "KJV:I HAVE SENT also unto you ALL MY SERVANTS the prophets, RISING UP EARLY AND SENDING THEM, SAYING, Return ye now every man from his evil way, and AMEND YOUR DOINGS, and go not after other gods to serve them, and ye shall dwell in the land which I have given to you and to your fathers: but ye have not inclined your ear, nor hearkened unto me."

Note:
THUS SAITH THE LORD...AMEND YOUR WAYS AND YOUR DOINGS...

...IF YE THROUGHLY AMEND YOUR WAYS AND YOUR DOINGS...

...THE LORD WILL REPENT HIM OF THE EVIL THAT HE HATH PRONOUNCED AGAINST YOU.

...I HAVE SENT...ALL MY SERVANTS...

RISING UP EARLY AND SENDING THEM, SAYING...AMEND YOUR DOINGS!!!

Janosky:
Bros, who told you Hebrew 7585 in Psalms 6:5 and Psalms 9:17 mean different things?

Who told you that Hebrew 7585 in 1 Samuel2:6 and 2Samuel22:6 mean different things?

Bros, Whatever you interpretation you give to Hebrew 7585in Psalms 6:5, Psalms 9:17,
1 Sam2:6 and 2 Sam22:6, your Bible says David and Job went there to rest


Continue to DECEIVE yourself

Yahweh have spoken:
Ecclesiastes 3:20
"All go to one place: All come from dust, and all return to dust."


Genesis2:7
Then Yahweh formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living soul.


Job 34:15
all flesh would perish together and mankind would return to the dust.

Psalm 90:3
You return man to dust and say, "Return, O sons of mortals."


Psalm 103:14
For He knows our frame; He is mindful that we are dust.


Psalm 104:29
When You hide Your face, they panic; when You take away their breath, they die and return to dust.



Ecclesiastes 12:7
before the dust returns to the ground from which it came, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Genesis3:19
In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread, [b]till you return to the ground; for out of it were you taken: for dust you are, and to dust shall you return.[/b

Don't worry, the Word will tell which is which.

It's clear from the Word that the human body is dust/ earth/clay...

*. Genesis 2:7 "KJV:And the Lord God FORMED MAN OF THE DUST of the ground, and BREATHED INTO HIS NOSTRILS the breath of life; AND MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL.

*. Genesis3:19 "KJV:In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: FOR DUST THOU ART, and unto DUST SHALT THOU RETURN"

*. Ecclesiastes 12:7 "KJV:Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: AND THE SPIRIT SHALL RETURN UNTO GOD WHO GAVE IT.

Note:

FOR DUST THOU ART...DUST SHALT THOU RETURN...AND THE SPIRIT SHALL

RETURN UNTO GOD WHO GAVE IT.

So we can see that man = body + soul +
+ spirit ✓

Maximus69:
Question ~ What is SOUL?
Answer ~ a living creature! Genesis 2:7

Question ~ Doesn't anything survives death in a living creature after death?

Answer ~ NO! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

A million dollar question! [b]Where is Adam (the first and foremost sinner) presently?

You'll read for sure but can never understand. Daniel 12:10

Soul is the 'frame' that carries the spirit of/in man.

*.
*. Genesis 2: "7
KJV:And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; AND MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL.

Note:
this statement 'AND MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL' means MAN BECAME SOUL THAT CAN NOT DIE.

The soul is eternal!

2. Yes, human souls continue existence after death.

*. Luke 23:43 "KJV:And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, TODAY SHALT THOU BE WITH ME IN PARADISE."

Note:
this statement 'TODAY SHALT THOU BE WITH ME IN PARADISE' means there is more to the man after death.

Moreover I see nothing in Ecclesiastes 3:19-20 that suggest 'nothing survives death in a living creature after death'

*. Ecclesiastes 3:19 "
KJV:For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20
KJV:All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21
KJV:Who knoweth THE SPIRIT OF MAN that GOETH UPWARD, and THE SPIRIT OF THE BEAST that GOETH DOWNWARD to the earth?

Note:
The speaker is just comparing and contrasting man and animals:

THE SPIRIT OF MAN...GOETH UPWARD,
and

THE SPIRIT OF THE BEAST GOETH DOWNWARD...

That's all.