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AbuTwins:
Details in which books?

All of books that are considered Scripture!

And I will tell you pretty much the very same things I told you during this other conversation we had about the same issue. https://www.nairaland.com/8059774/why-need-take-gods-word

So, is there a point in going through more of the very same? Is it really necessary to rehash what has already been thoroughly dissected and found empty/of no meaning?

AbuTwins:
■ So the dream meant another thing entirely? Unbelievable! All these Christians sef!

Nope! The meaning of the dream is the same as the meaning of the dream. The problem here is rather you. You apply a literal interpretation to the contents of the dream, something that should never be done as far as dreams/visions or even figures of speech and parables. That is a language NO NO!

And for the umpteenth time, I am not a Christian!

AbuTwins:
See what i prepare for my guests next time from the preface to the RSV! Hope they won't pick race when next they see me or call me devil incarnate!

That reads like a meaningless debate between two religious egos. I already explained to you the other day that we are fortunate to be living in an era where all of the information including the details of available manuscripts are available at our fingertips. If you need someone to find someone holy and righteous to translate the manuscripts for you then you be it, otherwise, I see no point in these meaningless debates since what should matter instead is the content/details in each of the books.

triplechoice:
■ Technically ,marriage means what you say it mean. But it's much more than that when you include in your description what happens after. And it's what happens after that's the focus of nearly everyone here as reason why it appears to be losing relevance.
■ You, alone, is focused on the process during the union as if that's the major reason marriage is being avoided by some But it's not. If it's, then you haven't been able to prove it so far using what you know. As for your final comment, you're yapping nonsense as usual. Random strangers are not barred doesn't mean that sort of thing is happening anywhere in the world. It's only the insane that would engage in that kind of irrational behavior. Please don't just type nonsense and post because you want to say something in reply.

Look, here, no two marriages have ever been shown to be the same and never will. Why? Because marriage is made up of two unique individuals — different experiences, nurture, temperaments, etc. Your mistake is attempting to wrap marriages as if they are according to the idea you have in your head there. You only waste your time talking to someone like me about such things. So long as the marriage certificate is signed/formalities are carried out, every marriage out there is as valid a marriage as your very own marriage. Kapisch!

2. I focus on the process of the union because that is the only element of marriage that can be controlled. Marriage is not meant to be a jail; Divorce is a legal and logical out of marriage. I don't see a reason why I should spend time trying to force people to stay in a union that no longer makes sense to time. By focusing on making marriage attractive and more beneficial, I believe it is possible to not only get more people to choose marriage but also let them see that marriage does not need to turn out for the worst for any of the partners even if it ends in a divorce. Marriage/divorce being a win-win is better than what marriage is right now, isn't it?

AbuTwins:
■ Which of the questions did you answer?

You questions make no sense because they assume a literal meaning to information presented in dream/vision format.

Instead, to understand the content of the dream/vision, you would need to understand what God decreed would happen in the Law of Moses, by the prophets, and that message is where most of the meaning for this dream comes from, including of course the revelation spoken by Jesus Christ in His Gospel particular in Matthew 24 & Mark 13 and Luke 17 & Luke 21. John was not saying something new in his Book of Revelation. He was repeating the same message that the Law and the Prophets had told the people so many times before.

twosquare:
∆ While you may be right, the 1980s are similar to today in Nigerian history, and worse economically...
Check those in power then...and compare what they brought...if you ask some economic experts, 1980s Bubu and Babangida were what destroyed us till today.

Now i know for certain you are merely here to spew Bullsheet hoping it will stick

AbuTwins:
■ I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns[diadems].
He has a name written on him that no one but he himself knows. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.[/b] The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
[b](Revelation 19:11-16 NIV)
■ Who is gonna make war with Justice?
Who taught war to the Prince of peace? (that is if it is the Prince of Prince)
Why the bloodied robe?
Sharp sword is even coming from his mouth to strike down nations
You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword,” says the LORD (YAHWEH). Zephaniah 2:12
Do not assume that I (Jesus) have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34

Your first problem here is attempting to apply literal interpretation to information presented to you in dream/vision format. It does not work at all!

2. The events in the vision that John saw before 70 AD took place beginning in 70 AD almost 1900 years ago. God carried out His sentence detailed in Deuteronomy 28 vs 49 - 66 — His final judgment against the Nation of Israel and the enemy Nations all around Israel at the time, ushering in the Endtime, the time of Harvest in the Kingdom of God.

OLAADEGBU:
Dozens of doctors turned her down because they thought she was 'too young' to make such a 'permanent' decision.

So long as there are no health implications what is left but to wish her the very best in her newfound freedom in life.
A lot of mothers and fathers out there could have benefitted a great deal from having the same process done for them as well.

AbuTwins:
are all these laws inspired and in your Bible?

Absolutely!
The Old Law of Moses is God's Constitutional Law in the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan. Of course, God later had to destroy the Nation so the land would get the rest it needed beginning with the nation of Israel in 720BC and then the sister nation of Judah beginning about 70AD. God promised He would rebuild His nation by Himself again and rule over it Himself forever.

However, OP, given that the nation to which the Law belonged was destroyed almost 2000 years ago, it means the Law of Moses, which you quote from has not been in effect in any land for that same period. So why do you quote that Law— the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel which belonged to the God of israel— in this particular case to compare it with laws that exist to even this moment in the religion of Islam?

AbuTwins:
■ Paul was the Biggest impostor in Christianity! He gave you guys the clue but you all missed it.
He never met Christ till he left. Then he claimed one light called Jesus converted him! He himself said: And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:14

First of all, Paul isn't to blame for Christianity. Second, Saul's vision is corroborated by the Prophets who did in fact state that in the last days in the land of Zion/Judah, all the young men and women, of whom Saul at the time was one, would see visions and dream dreams. Saul's vision was a result of that declaration made by the God of Israel to communicate directly to all in the land at that time. Third, what Paul said of Satan masquerading as an angel of light is true. How else is satan able to accomplish his anti-Christ— religion— schemes if he does not first impersonate the light?

haggai247:
■ Type your documents or proof read using goggle docs it's free. Just get good at doing your job na she go tire.

Simple things! Even using such tools as Grammarly would take care of much of that for her.

TTPAAR:
■ You and who head Dem dey use? See well abeg make u clear road.

LOL... Open your eyes to see what they have been doing to you lot!

DavSagacity:
■ It very lugubrious how a so called fan of Jesus looked at a person that he possibly knew nothing about and has never meet him and say they are wolves in sheep clothing. ?
■ It that what you learnt from the life and teachings of chest..?.
■ The Bible says Judge not and you shall not be judged.
■ But this kobojunkie has judged almost all servants and ministers of the Gospel. Even the Sai ts of God that are resting in Glory he will call them thieves and dubious men. I pity you bro. I just pity you.

1. Simple! Because Jesus Christ said that is what they are.

2. Absolutely! I learned it all directly from the Words of Jesus Christ as presented in Scripture and as I obeyed His Truth, He affirmed it so — His Word lives even today.

3. Stop lying! The Bible does not say to judge not lest though be judged. Rather, Jesus Christ said to judge not(by appearances) as you will be judged the very same way. The same Jesus Christ said to instead judge all things according to His righteous standard. He also taught His followers that by their fruits we shall know those who are not of Him from those who are of Him.

All followers of Jesus Christ are expected to live up to the standard set by Jesus Christ; it is the Law they are meant to abide by all of their lives. So when you find one who does not come close to the standard, all while claiming to live by the very same standard, you have found in that person a fraud, a wolf in sheep's clothing.

4. The one who judged and condemned your gods of men is Jesus Christ who said He is the Last Prophet, Teacher, Shepherd, Head/Authority, Master, etc. sent from the God of Israel, YHWH. These your gods of men claim they were anointed by the same God of Israel, do they not? So, tell us, did Jesus Christ lie?

Do not cry for me! Instead, cry for yourself and for the fraudulent men whom you installed as authors and finishers of your faith.

Bankowner:
■ I don't know when God appointed you to be a part of His jury to decide who is a fake pastor/prophet.
■ Better face your lane, narrow is the path that leads to heaven. No carry anoda man bukata for head derail yourself. Even if the people you're castigating are indeed fake, will you be there when they repent and make atonement for their sins?
■ That is where God is superior to you. So quit bitching about men of God and face your personal salvation. Whether you be man of God, or congregation member, salvation is personal. And of course, we know these men of God will be judged differently. Let them be.

1. If you need God's appointment, even after Jesus Christ made clear almost 2000 years ago that He is the LAST PROPHET appointed by the God of Israel and that His followers are to judge those who belong to Him by their fruits, then you are made exactly for those religious gods of men you bow to.

2. Here's the situation here. Repentance, as preached by Jesus Christ, is not a day's work but a process that goes on for many years. It took his disciples approximately 3 and half years to repent and then become holy vessels usable by God. But your gods of men there lied to you lot that their kind of repentance can be had in a matter of hours even days. These men whom you have made the authors and finishers of your faith teach you lies using the name of God, yet you dare to claim it is possible to derail oneself by doing exactly that which Jesus Christ called on His followers to do using His name. **Tufiakwa***

3. Aarrghh! I was wondering when someone would bring up that bloody lie "Salvation is personal!", yet another one of the many lies fed to you by your gods of men to keep you lot deceived and deluded — blind followers, Jesus Christ called your kind. There is nothing personal about Salvation. Being saved is akin to becoming a citizen of a developed country where the one and only Constitutional Law is upheld in every quarter. As a citizen, you are expected to abide by the same Law as everyone else so your experience is not or cannot be considered Personal by any means. Because when you sin, it is the same Law that condemns you that would condemn all others who do exactly what you do. Again, these men whom you have made authors and finishers of your faith are the blind leaders whom Jesus Christ warned that you, their blind followers, would fall in the same ditch with.

GBPUSD:
■ Must the husband die before the wife?

In the marriage formulae, if the man does not die before the woman, it means the children would suffer a great deal more than they probably had to before. So, the man must die first.

Banbanna:
■ Seems you have a strong sense of independence and the thought of surrendering that to a certain extent to some man scares you.
And it also depends on your age, probably you're still young and thinks time is still on your side.
Or maybe why you're not so excited is because you're not so desperate or in a hurry to have kids of your own.
Which btw though, you could have outside wedlock but the dishonour that mostly comes with it might be a turn off for you

Abegi!

When a man chooses to remain single do you as well tell him it has to do with his having a strong sense of independence or that it depends on his age, or that maybe he is not desperate or in a hurry to have kids of his own? Wake the fk up abeg! There have always been people in every community who have opted to not enter into marriage contracts for one reason or another. And these reasons these people have had, no matter how against the cultural norm of the time it has been, are valid enough reasons for them and hence honorable. Society is not the only decider as far as what is honorable or not honorable. Individuals have the right to decide for themselves, within the purview of the Law, of course, what they deem honorable or not.

Marriage no be by force!

Hanndye:
■ So by what criteria was the centurion's servant healed? By birth? You Israel Only-ners sef, una dey tire person.

The question has already been answered by the fact that the centurion never mentioned the Davidic Covenant in all of the passages you quoted. Your rejection of that which is clearly contained in the Gospels is from you and not my person.

Jesus Christ did not go around healing people in the name of Jesus Christ — the Davidic Covenant. No, He would have violated His Father had He done that. After all, He lived under the Old Law of Moses. Jesus Christ. Additionally, Jesus Christ wasn't Himself a Lost sheep of Israel. However, He came to deliver the Davidic Covenant, that which is Holy, only to the Lost sheep of Israel just as His Father, then God of Israel, commanded Him to. The agreement He had to give, the Davidic Covenant, was meant only for those who were of the Lost sheep of Israel.

Akujuriobi:
Marriage is still the best and legal way to go, getting babies through baba mama, getting sex by the corner or illegal ways is still the tickets to hell fire. Don't allow technology or modernization to deceive you pls. Marry your own and enjoy your marriage.marriage is still enjoyable.

There is nothing of the sort since Marriage itself is of the world of men and not of the Kingdom of God - Genesis 3 vs 16 & Luke 20 vs 34- 36. Stop hiding your anxieties behind lies you spew using God's mention. Face reality as you should.

Bankowner:
Oga, Continue in your over sabi! It is only God that can separate the wolf from the sheep, He did not give you the responsibility.

That is actually not true at all. If you paid attention to what Jesus Christ said in His explanation of the parable of the Wheat and Tares, You would note that the job of separating Tares from the Wheat in the field belongs to the Workers - Matthew 13 vs 36 - 43. You should read it.

The only reason you consider this Oversabi has to do with your having placed yourself under these men whom you regard as gods over your existence. The fear of these men whom you regard as your mens of gods is the beginning and end of your wisdom. Where I sit, these men are not gods but evil men who built their kingdoms here on earth on the backs of people such as yourself, something Jesus Christ said should not be so among His own.

kpakpakpa:
1. Did jesus identify with any religion? Yes.

Jesus Christ pretty much condemned religion beginning with the religious leaders of His time. Yes, Judaism, the frontrunner of the religion of Christianity, was condemned by Jesus Christ. He not only dished out curses(woes) against the religious leaders in Judaism but Jesus Christ also denounced their doctrines and traditions, proclaiming them lies meant to deceive and delude many away from the Truth of God - AntiChrist. Jesus Christ had nothing good or remotely nice to say of the religious leaders of His time, and for this, He was executed by them. How can the same Jesus Christ be considered to have been in support of religion? By suggesting that Jesus Christ Himself bowed down to religion at that time, are you insinuating that Jesus Christ was merely a hypocrite?

HISSCRIBE1995:
■ A GOOD CHRISTIAN WILL NOT SUPPOSE THE KILING OF PALESTINIAN PEOPLE NOR WILL HE OR SHE BACK THOSE WHO WANT ISRAELIS OUT OF A LAND THAT WAS DIVINELY GIVEN TO THE ISRAELITE. WE SHOULD NOT SYMPATHIZE WITH THOSE WHO KILL OTHERS IN THE NAME OF RELIGION

Nonsense! The one who kicked Israel out of the land of Israel in 720BC was the God of Israel who used the Assyrians to punish them. He too is responsible for kicking the Jewish remnants of Israel out of the Land of Judah beginning around 70BC using the Roman armies.

I know you Christians believe yourselves even better than the God of Israel in your religious blindness but He no send una message at all, so shove your sympathies right back where the sun doesn't shine and go find yourselves better things to do with your vain lives abeg!

Bankowner:
■ It is not in your place to judge or condemn "men of God", genuine or fake otherwise you'd be taking the place of God. Quit this your misplaced aggression.

▶ So, it is not my place to call out a wolf in sheep's clothing like my master before me did and said I should when He said I should judge all according to the standard that He represents - John 7 vs 34?
▶ And it is equally not my place to point out the false teachers and false prophets whom Jesus Christ told His followers that by their fruits they shall know.

So, what good is it to claim to be a follower of Jesus Christ if the love of Him— those who love Him are those who obey every teaching and every commandment— is not truly found in one?
What makes such a silent/non-obedience "follower" any different from the false prophets out there who openly proclaim ideas that are against Jesus Christ all while using the name of Jesus Christ?
If I am ashamed to proclaim that which my master before me did, what is there to show that He is indeed my master?

kpakpakpa:
■ Lol.....Jesus christ never condem all religious leaders. I guess likes of paul would have been labelled as a fake if you were alive during his time.
■ All i'm telling you is to stop judging people,
■ that is unchristian and you are not Jesus mouth piece
■ that is why we have a judgement day. Even if you are going to assist in judging on that day, why not wait till time and stop all this character assassination. Btw i don't know the person op posted, neither am i trying to say he is holy.

I don't worship Paul as I judge all things including Paul by the standard that is Jesus Christ.

2. So, never mind that Jesus Christ instead commands His followers to Judge all things according to His righteous standard - John 7 vs 24 -, you would instead that I stop doing as Jesus Christ commands, and somehow we are to believe that is the Jesus Christ thing to do?

3. Your first mistake is assuming that I am one of your kind. I told you already that I abhor religion and Christianity is after all a religion modeled after the religion that Jesus Christ condemned during His own time. And no, that is not the reason for judgment day. If you paid attention to what Jesus Christ said you would know this.

4. Character assassination? Interesting! So, it is OK for these men to assassinate the character of Jesus Christ by way of their many antichrist lies but not OK for them to be called out for the antichrist, wolf's in sheep clothing, and thieves who come to steal, to kill and to destroy, that Jesus Christ said they all were? WOW!!

RoyalBlu:
■ Chai Kobo! Fear God o Judge Kobo!!! God always have the final say.

If you half feared God yourself, you would abhor all that He abhors, and acknowledge His Truth and Law over all that men hold dear, something you don't.

If this man had been a condemned murder, condemned by human laws now, you would not have seen fit to make an issue of my calling him out for that. But here, the one who condemned this particular man, and his kind, as false teachers and false prophets is Jesus Christ Himself, and His Father, the God of Israel. However, their declarations, though made plain over 2000 years ago, amount to nothing as far as you are concerned because your gods of men are more real to you than they are.

kpakpakpa:
■ Spot on. As a christian, we all know that there are fakes out there but not all of them. And he now said those who practice religion are not the followers of Jesus christ. See general judgement!

So never mind that Jesus Christ did condemn all the religious leaders— He decreed curses on them all—, including those of His time, you want to believe that Jesus Christ did mean those teachings of His? He made a mistake, is that it?

RoyalBlu:
■ How about you focus more on preaching the good news of Jesus Christ whom you seem to know so well to nairalanders and leave the shortcomings of these believers for God to judge? Cos you're beginning to 'look' like a pharisee in my mind's eye

LOL... I don't live according to the doctrines fed to you by your gods of men— your religious leaders. I instead live in obedience to Jesus Christ who said His followers are to focus on obeying ALL of His teachings and commandments, not just the ones that agree with their particular ideas.

If you didn't know before now, God is not the one to judge these things. Jesus Christ already told you that His followers are to judge these things given that He informed them all to judge all things according to His righteous judgment — His teachings and commandments.

kpakpakpa:
■ Are you saying that there is no true man of God? You always comment against all of them.

Jesus Christ said those who love Him — are His true followers— are those who live their lives in continuous submission and obedience to His teaching and commandments. Meaning that anyone who indeed loves Jesus Christ would do only that which is as taught and commanded by Jesus Christ. The fruits of obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ are what would be observed from those who truly love Him. Those fruits can never be observed in those who practice religion because Jesus Christ informed His followers that religion, even the one that existed when He was in the world, was antiChrist. Can one be a part of religion and have a part in Jesus Christ?

RoyalBlu:
■ This is a blank shot you just fired Kobo. If you knew him and his works, you wouldn't have typed what you did.

Well, here's the thing. Jesus Christ said, "By their fruits — not their works — you shall know them." This man, like the others around him, used the name of Jesus Christ to teach ideas and traditions that are not of Jesus Christ. Can that which is against Jesus Christ be for Jesus Christ? Jesus Christ said no.

kpakpakpa:
■ What is it with your comments insensitive comments about men of God. I have been noticing this for long. Care to share your story?

Jesus Christ said they are all just false teachers and false prophets, thieves that come to come to steal from His sheep, to kill the fat of His flock, and to destroy them - John 10 vs 7 - 16 & Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 31. He warned that not only were they— the religious leaders beginning of those who even came before His time — antiChrist but that their doctrines and traditions were equally against God's very Truth - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13. He dedicated almost half of His Gospel to warning you against these men and their tactics. What more do you need?

I happen to be a follower of Jesus and as a result not a fan of these liars and their many scams which destroy the lives of those who get entangled by them.

OLAADEGBU:
'A True General of the Lord': Evangelist Jerry Savelle Dies at 77. Through the years, he ministered in more than 3,500 churches in over 40 nations.

Another religious scammer aka wolf in sheep's clothing has gone to his grave.

triplechoice:
■ I'm afraid you have a very distorted view of what marriage is. The signing of the dotted lines are mere formalities. Focusing on that as if that's all that matters will distract from the goal . Random strangers don't just walk into the registry to " buy" the product . Do they?

My view is not in the least bit distorted at all. Those formalities establish what you call a marriage — which means you have obtained the product. And marriage is the goal of those who sign those dotted lines. Whatever they do after that is considered marriage? So?

Yes, even random strangers are not barred by law from doing just that. So, I am not certain what you are going on about here.

triplechoice:
■ Where are you getting the statistics from? From all over the world or a particular region?
And what's alternative to marriage and your definition of marriage?

Right there in Nigeria. https://punchng.com/marriage-experts-worry-over-rising-divorce-among-young-couples/
■ Singledom and relationships without marriage commitments are alternatives.