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The lunacy being exhibited on this thread is so so nauseating that I really find it difficult to comment. I never had a clue that christianity had been so badly assaulted and abused.

@Tonye
What you fail to realize is that mabell has been hounding me all over this forum for a while, that apart she started a thread labelling me crook for no just cause. The funny thing is that no one on nairaland thought it right to call her to order, now I react and everybody wants to crucify me. I think she should just learn to get off my case and she won't be getting further reactions from me. Meanwhile I await her apologies for calling me a crook amongst several other insults.

@joagbaje
Satan was not the first Adam. Adam translates to mean man, it was also the name or prefix of the first man. Only the devil knows were you WOFers get your silly notions from. If you guys had your way you would have written your own bible by now.

I laugh in nairaland tongues I am even tired of the forum sef. Also I would like to use this opportunity to alert everyone that I am being hounded by CEC plc members on the internet, I keep receiving all sorts of dodgy requests and threats on the internet the source of whom I have been able to trace to characters associated with CEC plc. I am even tempted to believe their intention towards me is not only sinister and evil but probably homicidal cos of the expose I have been doing on their evil trade and scams. I serve this as notice that I would be alerting appropriate authorities as per the threats I have been receving from CEC members traceable to this forum.

@olaadegbu
The onus is on you to show me from scriptures that the 66 ancient texts cannonized by the roman catholic church in the year 396AD is infallible bearing in mind that christians in the first three centuries never used or had the bible as we know it. On the issue of Jesus being God, I stand by the biblical records which stated clearly that he is the SON of God and NOT God Almighty. You claim to believe the bible is infallible yet you adhere desperately to the unbiblical and unchristian trinity doctrine.

Deep Sight:
Hi Kunle -

Your question was put to me sometime ago in a slightly different form.

Here is what i had to say -

I hope the foregoing is sufficient, as i do not wish to get distracted from the Essentials of this thread.

It is not sufficient but i would stand back and take up the issues later as not to distract you from the "essentials" of your thread.

OLAADEGBU:
What is your own school of thought, are you also a deist?

I am sure you know full well that i am a born again christian even though i don't subscribe to a lot of church dogma and wrong practises going on in the church today in the name of religion.

mabell:
@kunleoshob
Why is your mind so very polluted with abusive words.you use words that a teacher would spank her kindgergaten pupil for. Grow up mr

What is this silly slut ranting about

Recent scientific evidence confirms that there are hundreds of billions of stars in the universe and probably trillions of planets, none of the mainstream religions begin to conceptualize this fact, a school of thought believes that the God that created the universe is a totally seperate entity to the God that created life on earth.

Deepsight i would like to have your opinion on this view that there could be multiple supreme Gods or an hierachy of Gods way beyond human comprehension.

Even though i have always known that WOF proponents are just crooked charlatans, i never knew the heresies they profess was this deluded. I had thought some of the proponents would have used the excuse of this topic to deny or wriggle out of the fundermental flaws in their false gospel. i am amazed they are even digging deeper into hell's doctrines and claiming others who have a better grasp of the true gospel of christ have a poor understanding of spiritual things. i laugh in CEC tongues. They are now claiming to be gods i thought it was all about scamming the flock out of their money but now i know their motives are a lot more sinister than that. It seems very cult like to me, but then again i would continue to watch this space.

nuella2:
Haha lol,  i asked a question that deserve an answer broz, you said a pastor that teaches people to tithe is fake abi, give my bible reference simple.

Very simple, any pastor that preaches what is unbiblical like the version of tithing being touted today must most definitely be a fake. Also any pastor that twists the word of God is a fake. As we all know tithing being preached today was twisted from the tithing instruction given to the israelites[not christians] in the old testament.

I see CEC plc as delegated a good number of it's charlatans to nairaland with the sole purpose of defending and promoting their doctrines from the darkest pits of hell which they are using to draw people away from christ's saving grace whilst reaping off their congragationcustomers in the process.

nuella2:
Give me a bible reference that if a pastor teach tithe is fake.

Why don't you give me a single bible verse which says christians should tithe money from their income.

Any pastor that preaches compulsry or mandatory tithing is most definitely a fake i guess this would eliminate all pentecostal and word of faithfraud"" pastors.

pcmecom:
@kunleosho

How can i reach u?

What do you want to discuss off line? Maybe you should drop an email address and i would contact you

ukotmi:
I have noticed that nothing good comes from CEC as far as KunleOshob is concerned. Well, KunleOshob is the one bearing false testimonies against CEC. How can he speak with authority on a church he knows nothing about? Before I can accept what he is saying,he needs to visit CEC for a month and then come to the forum and air his opinion. Otherwise, he is only repeating hearsay and prejudiced views. I rarely speak on any church until i have visited it and interacted with the members and leadership.

Even though i have always known that pastor chris is a fraud, i never knew his ministry was this bad till i joined nairaland and started reading the thrash members of his cult post on this forum. i don't need to visit his church as the bible says that by their fruits you shall know them. Based on the fruits of deception, fraud and outright lies his members display on this forum i can safely conclude that it is not the gospel of christ they preach and practise in that church hence it is a false church.

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=400666.msg5544472#msg5544472 date=1266580417]true sha.


I dont know what's going on.

Perhaps Benny Hinn should have retired before it came to this.

A 30 year marriage- where's the wife planning to go at this stage? [/quote]Obviously she would collect her own share of the loot via halimony!

So how does this prove your allegation that love should be cofined to the christian faith the fact that their is a special greek word for brotherly love does not mean that that is what christian love is limited to. I guess you should go and check out the greek words for the love word Jesus used during his commandments to love. Jesus command was to love our neighbours as our selves, he also commanded us to love our enemies and do good to them that hate us. is he refering to our "christian" brethen here too?

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=399717.msg5538283#msg5538283 date=1266500649]Love is to be expressed to ALL dont get me wrong, but AGAPE LOVE is to be expressed within the confinement of the christian faith. do you understand?[/color][/quote]Bros i need a bible quotation for the allegation above with special emphasis on the word AGAPE.

The Light2:
He stressed the role that men of God are supposed to play in the society, saying that he was sent by God to act as a medium of communication for humanity.
“There are qualities to be looked out for. It is very simple to identify a true man of God, there are yardsticks to be employed, and some of them are:
1. A man of God never looks the other way when his brother is in trouble
2. A man of God loves his neighbour and prays for those who persecute him
3. A man of God does not condemn
4. More to others, less to themselves; this is a way of life for him
5. The wound of others is theirs; they feel what others feel.
Demonstrating the true virtue of love,

I wonder how many "men of God" in Nigeria can match up based on the criteria above. I hope our word of faith charlatans are reading!

@jaffi
Whilst god is not against us having money, the gospel of christ is not about money or worldly material riches. It is the gospel of the Kingdom of God and the route to salvation. Jesus warned us against the love for money cause it leads to coveteousness which is a sin. he further said you cannot serve God and serve mammon[money]

thanx i am already dwelling in the light, i was in darkness when i used to paý tithes. Paul to used to tithe when he was in darkness but when he received the light of christ he denounced tithing  [hebrews 7:5-18]

Enigma:
This is double-speak to avoid facing the truth. OK, I simplify it --- answer these two/four questions:

1. When Jesus turned water into wine did He do it by His power as God; OR did He do it as a man "using and operating by faith"?

2. When Jesus raised the son of the widow at Nain from the dead, did He do it by His power as God; OR did He do it as a man "using and operating by faith."

enigma, you are squeezing pastor's balls to hard na, abeg take it easy on the man.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=399717.msg5537964#msg5537964 date=1266498014]I wonder what is christian Love and what is agape love!

Yes he did not discriminate, but gave first priorities to the brotherhood when he said "I was sent to the HOUSEHOLD OF ISRAEL" , and again he said "WHY WOULD I GIVE TO DOGS WHAT IS MEANT FOR THE CHILDREN" wasnt that meant to be a brotherhood term showing priority?

Apologies! but your wrong. let see it again

Matt 25:40 "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these [size=13pt]brothers of mine[/size], you did for me.NIV

Now we should ask, who are these brothers.

Matt 12:50 - "For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven [size=13pt]is My brother and sister and mother[/size]! AMP

so you see, my brother is that christian, because he does the will of my father just like i do! hence priority.

Show scriptures pls.![/quote]Jesus considered the poor and the needy his brethen and not christians. You have to remember that christianity did not start until after the death and ressurection of Jesus so he couldn't have been refering to christians in that passage.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=398179.msg5537843#msg5537843 date=1266497228]^^^Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you! trust me you're getting closer only a matter of time [/quote]closer to what? the false and evil doctgrine of tithes i rebuke it in Jesus name

UFOs exist and they have been appearing on this planet for centuries. it is also the basis for the "alien" god theory. There are also a good number of alledge UFO occurences in the bible you may wish to visit this site http://www.bibleufo.com/ for more info on the topic. I found it very intriguing

@tonye-t
christian love is not limited to believers alone but to all men, Jesus never discriminated when he was preaching his message of love. Read matthew 25:31-40, it wasn't about showing love to believers alone but to the needy and less priviledge. The gospel of Jesus[ the great commision] Jesus charged his disciples to preach to all men [unbelievers] is one of love. spreading the gospel involves showing love to all men, infact the gospel was spread by the apostles through their show of love to the early christians who were not christians before they were converted.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=398179.msg5537475#msg5537475 date=1266494125]@KunleOshobo,

you see what happens when a christian pays and believes in the message of tithing.

Congrats my man Joe Agbaje. God is always faithful!. [/quote]Abi oh! i am actually considering to start paying my tithes but i don't know which church i should pay it to. My be if joeagabje drops his church account details i would be remitting it to him.

Enigma:
You don't know how bad this Word of Faith/prosperity "gospel" really is --- and I had been holding back.

Their current living leader (after the death of Hagin snr), the most despicable Kenneth Copeland, has gone as far as saying any man could have died to save the sin of the world. Below is something he once said and has repeated in various ways a number of times:

Examples like this is why we should start naming names and exposing these criminals  they are leading too many people to destruction with their false/evil teachings.

iheanyi4u:
@porter, I was almost like you dat is believing the 'take it' bit was rehearsed. But I recently gave my life to Christ and started attending christ embassy. I was opportuned to be at the youth conference at Lagos,and was sitting in front. When pastor Chris was preaching, at a point he was full of d annoiting and said take it, I fell under d Power of God and (checks his body) there is no injury of anykind. So better believe it is not rehearsed.

CEC plc members are notorious for giving false testimonies on this forum, if you fell then it must have been a demonic attack as we know that there are legions of demons in that cult called CEC.

Trust the prosperity "gospel" pimps to show up on any thread were money is menttioned

@jagulabi
Charity begins at home

tachi:
@kunleOshob

Not accountable to the pastor per se.

Accountable for 'issues '(am sure u get my drift) that may be a fall-out of dating/courting.

I still don't think what ever "issues" might be a fall out of the dating or courting is the pastor's business at least not until they approach the pastor they want to get married and they need him to officiate. I am not saying the pastor can't coun sel them, but subjecting members to take "permission" from pastor before approaching a lady is simply over bearing and nosy.