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[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=421491.msg5796262#msg5796262 date=1269955114]^^^ Kunle stop dilly-dallying here you never want to hear the word "tithe" yet you dont have any genuine reason why the act of tithing should be stopped, since you're the CHIEF-CRUSADER OF ANTI-TITHING then you should at least have scriptural backups to buttress your fight, brace up and answer a simple question like a christian. [size=15pt]PROVE IT![/size] SHOW ME A PASSAGE THAT SAYS TITHING HAS BEEN ABOLISHED or AT LEAST A PASSAGE THAT SAYS TITHING IS A LAW. period![/quote]On the contrary why don't you show me a single scripture which suggests christians should pay tithes of their income in the bible monetary or otherwise, that apart you know as well as i do that the questions you are asking me are diversionary and it has been thrashed out several times on this forum. AS FAR AS TRUE CHRISTIANITY IS CONCERNED, TITHING IS NOT REQUIRED and those who preach it are either ignorant or fraudulent.

@Tonye
Stop being mischivious, we have been through this countless times and I have proved to you time and time again that tithing the way it is preached today is unbiblical and at best a fraud.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=421491.msg5795606#msg5795606 date=1269949099]Are majority always right on an issue.?

John 14:15(NIV) - "If you love me, you will obey what I command [color=#000099][/quote]Thank fully Jesus NEVER commanded tithing but he commanded that we love one and other hence the person in the original post should be encouraged to forget the scam called tithes and help his friend as directed by our lord Jesus christ. He should also be advised to change church as the pastor is obviously a very greedy crook who has no love of christ in him else he would have not only encouraged the OP to contribute his "tithes" towards his friends operation he would have also have contributed from church funds to ensure the the medical expenses are fully taken care of.

@Tonye
No mater how much you try to mis-represent scriptures tithing is not a christian doctrine and it was never taught to christians. Christ never even commanded it he only endorsed it for the pharisees and the people of the jewish faith as oppose to christians who are under a totally different and better covenant. That apart  biblical tithing was strictly tithes of the produce of the land and note tithes of "increase" as some criminals try to potray even in the bible passage that uses the word increase it was refering to the increase the fields produce each year which is still agricultural produce and not other income as charlatans who are bent on twisting the word of God are trying to potray.

Deuteronomy 14:22:

  22Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

Fhemmmy:
That is so untrue, and besides, while the child is being groomed, there are other leaders within the church that will be taking care of the affairs of the church

Yes they would be allowed to help run the church but they would never be allowed to take over the church, since is is considered the exclusive business preserve owned by the founders family. The other leaders in the church are merely unpaid empoloyees.

Fhemmmy:
Go and read Malachi 3 and then, tell me what is says

Malachi 3 is being twisted by preachers, it asked the jewish people [not christians] to bring food [not money]to the temple. This is totally different from pay tithes which is monetary. That aside it was never directed to christians but to jews under the levitical preisthood.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=421491.msg5790342#msg5790342 date=1269878299]Matthew 23:23 (Hebrew- English paraphrased version) - And Jesus said to them : practise mercy, practise Justice, practise faithfulness and also i say to you do not neglect to practise Tithing [/quote]Trust tonye tithes to show up any time a tithing thread is started
Apart from the fact that as we all clearly know that the matthew 23:23 was directed to pharisees under the levitical priesthood, it is also glaring from scriptures that tithing practised by the jews is totally different from the 419 version being preached today. the jews only tithed from their agricultural produce and not from their monetary income

Fhemmmy:
^^^ It is so scriptural to pay tithe . . . . . .

Quote at least one scripture in it's proper context that asks christians or even jews to "pay" tithes cos as far as i know there is no were in the bible were people were asked to "pay" tithes.

@Topic
this only happens in the penterascal/ word of faith business where churches are seen as business/investments by their promoters that must be "willed" to their children hence they are positioning them to take over the family business by bringing them into the business and training them so by the time the promoter dies or retires their children would be ready to take over the church empire/ conglomerate they have built for themselves and families.

I don't know why we keep labouring this topic, whereas it is crystal clear from biblical teachings that a christian is under NO obligation to tithe and the type of tithing preached and practised today has no biblical basis, given the fact that it was arrived at through twisting scriptures a christian is under obligation to help those in need according to the teachings of Christ himself. Tithing as it is preached and practised today is a man made doctrine invented by a greedy clergy in the 6th century as a christian you cannot start comparing the words of christ himself to that of a greedy preacher who is just trying to take advantage of your ignorance of the scriptures.

@jesoul
Congrats

@"Jesus"
You musy be on very cheap drugs, Jesoul is a pure 100% bible believing christian.
@Jesoul
Congrats on your new role!

None of them preaches genuine christ focused christianity based on love. My advice is for you to study the teachings of Jesus and the writings of the apostles so you understand what a true church should be contrary to all these man made organiZations which are just monuments to the Egos of their promoters.

@netsurf
Thanx for those verses, deuteronomy 14:22-29 makes it clear that tithes the way it is preached and practised today is a scam. Also tithing was anulled and for believers and ridicled in hebrew 7:5-19,[special emphasis on verses 11,12 & 18] these are scriptures the so called preachers don't want believers to read in the bible. However a lot has been debated on tithes on this forum in the past, if you do a search iam sure you would come up with at least ten threads on the topic. The average nairaland member in the religious section now knows that tithing as it is preached today is a scam which is promoted by the greed of it's proponents and the delusion of it's adeherents. It is also a tool used by the devil to steer christians away from true christianity based on the saving grace of our Lord Jesus christ.

Mmmh! Very interesting thread.

@InesQor
You are truely in the spirit.

@noetic
Any man that can twist scripture like was done in the OP cannot possibly be of God, it was obviously motivated by greed and it contradicts the teachings of Jesus on giving to the poor and the needy. The most dangerous part of this heresy is that it was published in a influential medium, before you know what is happening the heresy would become standard doctrine in the pentecostal world.

Christianity has in deed been commercialized, thanx to the prosperity 419 pimps.

blissieng:
I can't believe you guys! I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad.

So if he was poor your 'mouth' will be shut?

How pathetic.

Try starting your own and see how it goes, if you think that's a money making business.

It is not about being rich or poor, it is about the fact that oyedepo is one of the false prophets the bible warns us about who would twist and distort the scriptures for the sake of extorting money from the flock. It is quite obvious oyedepo is NOT doing the will of God but only feeding his own greed. The gospel of Jesus is not about earthly material possesions that prosperity pimps would like to have you believe, it is the gospel of the Kingdom of God and how to get there and your oyedepo is one of the preachers that specialize in twisting the teachings of the bible for material gain and in the process lead several away from the kingdom of God. At least you won't say you weren't told, if you like keep on believing in a man instead of focusing on the teachings of christ.

aletheia:
It is quite obvious that you will see nothing wrong here since you worship Chris Oyakhilome. How do I know that? You own words posted on your blog indict you.
Frankly, your blog is sickening.

Sickening is actually an understatement i actually almost threw up after reading the spivel she spewed out on that disgusting blog, certainly she is one of those women that are easily taken advantage of, brainwashed,used and abused by their so called men of god and going by the filthy reputation and level of immoralty in CEC, i can only weep for the deranged and confused lost soul.

Another three points down the kitty no shaking gunners!

It is quite evident that there is a lot of mis-representation and half truths that are generally accepted as christian doctrine. the sad truth is that the truth has been revealed to us in the bible however the clergy just picks and projects what they want from it with their own twisted interpretation of it. Any student of the teachings of Jesus would easily tell you that the greatest teaching of christ was LOVE, love for God an love for our fellow man, he fuerther went on to teach that love for God can only be demonstrated if we love our fellow man, this love must be pratical and not lip service like is very common in christianity today, Jesus further taught we should do unto others what we want them to do to us. The central point in all his teachings was love, his apsotles further emphasized and taught this love but sadly christianity today has departed from the core teachings of christ and replaced them with man made doctrines motivated by greed and selfishness rather than the selflessness Jesus taught. Jesus further taught that anyone who Loves has done his will and the will of the father this was a major criteria for being admitted into the kingdom of heaven. It is very sad today that most pastors are leading their flock away from the kingdom and if Jesus teachings are anything to go by a lot of people that don't profess christianity yet are doing the will of the father would make heaven before a lot of hypocrites who claim to be believers.

The passage below in Jesus own words lists the criteria for making heaven contrary to what popular pulpit preachers preach today.

Matthew 25:31-40:
The Final Judgment

  31 “But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit upon his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered in his presence, and he will separate the people as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will place the sheep at his right hand and the goats at his left.

  34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. 36 I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’

  37 “Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? 39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’

  40 “And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!’

ogajim:
^^^ Kunle, Don't you think for a second that the good people of Haiti need good Jerry curled hair? Come on now, spring is here and they need to look their best.

No mind me ojare, his commpatriot T.B Joshua had already spent millions on helping the haitians before we heard about it and he didn't make any noise about raising money for them[he must have used exisiting church funds] but in the case of Oyaks he is making noise he is raising money for them [i wonder what he does with all the money he swindles of the dummies that patronize him] i am almost certain that not a kobo of the money raised would be used to help anybdy in haiti as helping the poor and needy is totally out of character as far as Oyaks is concerned he would rather fleece them the more.

PurestBoy:
The man should have donated the money to RCCG. Thats my church

So all your greedy corrupt pastors and G.O can feed fat on it abi , at least we know the catholic church is accountable and a vast majority of the money would be spent on charitable works rather than feeding the Egos of some swollen headed pastors through the acquisition of a fleet of private jets and also lining their over filled pockets.

Adeboye is such a big dissapointment and the funny thing is that he is able to fool so many people by pretending to be humble yet his life styl is glaringly far from being humble.

Whether they do business or not no true christian preacher ought to preach or collect tithes as it is clearly NOT a christian doctrine handed down to us by either christ or the apostles but it was arrived at after twisting and amending the levitcal laws on tithing meant for the jewish people practising the Jewish religion which is totally different from christianity.

mabell:
finally i've seen the video, i will load it soon

The video won't change our views afterall CEC is notorious for broadcasting fake testimonies of fake miracles.

Evidently this belated funds pastor chris is raisng for Haiti after all the genuine donours have resettled the people in haiti is another scam by him to raise money for his greedy self. i am almost certain that money would not be used to help anybody in haiti, at best it would be used to set up another branch of his filthy business in haiti and continue to reap off the poor haiti people through fraudulent doctrines from his twisted form of the gospel.

@Aisha2
I really like your style , keep up the good work but you need to start supporting a better club.

Brilliant thread nice topic, I would sit back and enjoy.

@babaearly
I never said pastors should not run businesses all I said is that it is wrong to commercialize the gospel as it is now rampantly done this days.

babaearly:
but Paul took collections from Christians to aid his missionary journeys?but Jesus had a treasurer how did he get money?

There is no record of Jesus ever collecting offerings, the fact that they had a treasurer should not be twisted to mean he was collecting offerings after all social clubs today have treasurers and they don't collect offerings from people but raise levy themselves to raise funds. On the issue of collections Paul collected, i believe ogajim has already answered you adequately.

Whilst there is no teaching against pastors doing business orearning alternativeincome, they should be careful not to merchandize the gospel or make material profit out of the gospel [2 peter 2:1-3] However it is now very rampant and common practise for pastors to merchandize the gospel and make profit out of it. Examples are daily devotionals, annointing oil, stickers, posters e.t.c. Whilst there is nothing wrong on the surface of selling these items, the profit motive behind it makes it unethical and antiethical to the purpose of spreading the gospel. Jesus clearly instructed that the gospel should be preached free.