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Joagbaje:
The VP is not a thief

EXODUS 22:28
"Do not blaspheme God or curse the ruler of your people.

No one as accused the Viceacting President of being a thief but it is only safe to assume that his immediate family who are members of your congregation would benefit be blessed by his new position and being loyal church members they must compulsarily pay their "increased" tithes and offerings which [you know who] would benefit handsomely from] That aside i am almost certain that a special thanksgiving would have taken place in church yesterday to thank "God" for this promotion and "God's representative" would probably be smiling to the bank this morning

PS: Forget the Jibes please i am seriously interested in the position of treasurer in your proposed new ministry.

@toba
What do you mean by KUNLE-POLY

Pastor AIO:
Whaaaattt!!! That means that one in 300 nigerians has a NL account. That is mind boggling. Even when you consider that some people have more than one account, it is still mind boggling. No wonder Kunle's crusade could draw the attention of Chris Oyakhilome. If it were possible to convert cyber traffic into hard cash Seun would be a multi millionaire from NL already.
Anyway, Deep Sight, are you a lawyer or a detective? Or a journalist? Why are you dissecting mavenbox like that na?

Although this gender bending thing is really getting out of hand. I feel funny when I read certain posts now. I get an odd feeling reading maven's recent posts knowing shim is no longer a woman but a man. I get a similar odd feeling with I read from Viaro although he has denied being Pilgrim. It just feels all queasy.

I suspect Seun is already a millionaire based on Nairaland traffic, Google pays him for all adverts appearing on this forum and he has quite a number. Besides seun stated on his website http://www.seunosewa.com/ that nairaland is worth 25 billion naira to him so you can imagine how much he is generating from the forum.

Abu Zola:
T truth i believe u are in lagos, didn't see what fashola is doing, oh what tinubu he even paid your school fees, u are such an ungrateful fella

Did Tinubu use his money or his Father's money to pay the school fees of anybody in Lagos State Tax payers money, myself inclusive was used to provide free education so stop giving the criminal credit for what we paid for.

I want to use this opportunity to personally congratulate my "good" friend Pastor Joeseph Asaju agbaje on the elevation of Jonathan Goodluck to the exalted position of the President of the federal republic of Nigeria. As we all know Pastor Agbaje is the the presiding pastor of CEC plc branch in yenogoa bayelsa state, this is the church in which members of Jonathan Goodluck's immediate family worships. Very soon testimonies would abound about how the lawd is working wonders in his ministry through the goverment funds that would find it's way one way or the other into his church coffers, of course it would be attributable to his being "faith full" and being a big time giver to the "gospel" it would also be attributable to his being a big time tither who tithes 30% of his loot and the first fruits he givescollects . I prophesy that pastor Agbaje would soon leave CEC and start his own churchbusiness i hereby use this opportunity to apply for the position of treasurer in his proposed new venture. Wishing you all the best in your new position of "first pastor" of the federal republic of Nigeria.

Joagbaje:
@kunleoshob

Tell me , in what way have I worshipped mammon?

Well you are an advocate of the unscriptural prosperity gospel which is inspired by the "love of money" which the bible describes as the root of evil and is also the basis for mamon worship. Jesus clearly stated that you cannot serve mammon [prsoperity gospel] and serve God, you have to choose btw the two, there is no middle ground like you prosperity merchants try to imply.

Imeobong:
if he like, but let him not think of being efcc boss again, as dora islikelygoing to occupy that post after this week cabinet reshuffle

Dora is not qualified to assume the position of EFCC chairman as she does not have a background in the police force or related parastatal. I really wish ribadu would be re-instated as EFCC chairman of even I.G of police  but then again that is a very tall order

Joagbaje:
@Arté

This your wisest man that you so much believe in and you try to patern your life after, are you aware he ended up worshipping idols. In all his mighty wisdom that you emulate.

I hope you know you are also guilty of worshiping the idol of mamon.

OLAADEGBU:
He said that "by their fruits you shall know them" (See Matt.7:15-20). Jesus expects us to be wise and discerning who we give to.

I am suprised you know this warning in the scriptures, i really wonder why you have refused to heed this warning and tolerate preachers who twist scripture to fleece the flock in the name of tithes which is certainly not a christian teaching but was merely introduced to christianity by wolves in the catholic church in the sixth century.

Traugott:
Special case II: in case the pastor is also a suitor to the lady, DON'T tell him under any circumstances or else you will be shocked how things will turn out

ROFLMAO   I actually know someone this happened to the pastor kept encouraging the mugun to fast and pray before approaching the girl meanwhile the pastor was busy toasting her by the time my guy knew what was happening the pastor had announced his proposed marriage to the same gir in church  

Mavenb0x:
KunleOshob, thanks for your comment. If calling me a transvestite makes you feel better, go ahead and say it.

As for viaro, I will confirm his gender as male, but you may say whatever you want about that. However I have undeniable evidence that he is male.

How can you confirm that? If you could deceive everybody so effectively on this forum including those you communicated with outside Nl or are you saying shehe is not as deceptive as you are? Trust me i know pilgrim.1 very well she has no probs with standing the truth on the head on a routine basis.

Mmmmhh i wonder how many more transvesites we have on this forum, eagerly waiting for Viaro's confession a well.

Bearshare:
From all i have read here, i dont think the change of law had anything to do with one tithing. Tithing has been well established as something that started in the ancient b4 people like moses came. infact Jesus did not even put a stop to it rather he rebuked those who practised it wrongly.

well there were several established practises such as burnt offerings and circumcision that were practised before the law and they are not pat of christianity today so your argument doesn't hold water. We have to realise that it is not everything in the bible especially old testament that was directed to christians hence we would be practising Judaism today. The apostles were the ones mandated by christ to teach christianity and they never for once taught tithing amongst several other defunct and obsolete jewish doctrines. They even made it clear to christians that they were not bound to follow this jewish teachings. You can be rest assured that if tithing was meant to be a christian practise at leaset one of the apostles would have put it in their writtings and it won't be left till over 500 years later for the catholics to smuggle into christianity throught the back door.

viaro:
No problem. So, are we to regard the apostles' teaching on giving as running counter to the teachings of Christ then?

Did the apostles not teach the same things? Besides, if the apostles felt that their teaching on giving were running counter to Christ's teachings, why did they not reject the givings they received from Christians in various churches? Another thing was that Christ also received givings from others as well, no?

The apsotles NEVER taught you should givetothem so as a formof christian giving or as a requirement for God to bless you. People gave to them on their own accord not as a result of apostles teaching or soliciting for gifts. What we read in the bible is references to people giving to the appostles and not teachings that people should give to the apostles, these are two entirely diffeent things and should not be mis- construed for each other. Were as there is nothing wrong in giving to preachers to assist in meeting the needs there is everything wrong in a preacher of the gospel using the gospel to enrich himself at the detriment of the poor and needy that christian giving is targeted at.

@Viaro
The bible records David as dancing virtually naked before God and God was pleased with him.

[quote author=Arté link=topic=395629.msg5502142#msg5502142 date=1265987272]1. Do you think God is in the least bit interested in how much money you can give Him?

2. Do you know riches can come from sources other than God? do you know that prosperity is not always a good thing?

3. Do you know that your "giant killer faith" should not be rooted in anything other than the sacrifice of Jesus? not material wealth? because then it is not truly faith? but simply a shallow response to a temporary season?[/quote]I won't have bothered to respond to patjoe if i were you, he obviously just registered that I.D to disguise hisreal self and start giving false testimonies on NL. For all you know he might be a pastor himself just trying to promote the greedy and false doctrine.

tlfacts:
So what if you start being jealous of your neighbours does that mean you are no longer Born Again.

Well as humans we can't be perfect but then again that does not take away the fact that we should strive to do his will. That aside if you really have the spirit and love of christ dwelling in you it is not likely you would be jealous of others rather you would love them. If you genuinely pray about it and resolve in your heart i am sure a christian would be abale to overcome the spirit of jealousy.

viaro:
If anything at all, I want a sensible answer to this one:

Even thoug there are examples of people giving to the apostles in the new testament, it was never taught as christian giving.

(a) Please tell my why giving to apostles is NOT 'Christian giving'.

(b) If it is not Christian giving, [size=14pt]what is it - pagan giving?[/size]

You must have a descriptive term for it - it is either 'Christian giving' or it is not, in which case it would be an anti-Christian giving, so please let us know what you want to call it.

Even though there were examples of people giving to the apsotles in the bible it should not be mis-construed as the core teachings of christ as far as giving is concerned. he way i define christian giving are givings based on the direct teachings of christ and not all forms of giving found in the bible. Christ taught giving to the poor and the needy. The way i understand it giving should be targetted at meeting the needs of those in need. The apostles had needs, if the giving was to meet their needs it would be termed as christian giving, but if the giving was to finance their excessies as it is very rampnat in our churches today, it is no longer christian giving. You can not classify all forms of giving as either pagan or christian. i can give to my pastor out of appreciation but that des not mean it is a christian giving. Our obligations as christians to to give to those in need first be it pastor, beggar or even muslims as christ did not discriminate amonsgt them. The brethen Jesus was talking about in matthew 25 were not even christians as you wrongly tried to imply, the christian religion had not even started then. Those whom Jesus referred to as his brethen are the poor and the needy and not chriistians who didn't even exist when he made that statement and definitely not pastors whom can be likekend to the religious leaders of that time [the pharisees] whom Jesus was very critical of their ways.

tlfacts:
Have you given your life to Christ?
Being Born Again doesn't mean being Christ-like.

Most definitely yes i have given my life to christ and i am certain any genuinely born again person would display the fruits of the spirit which would definitely make the person christlike. You can't be truely born again without displaying this fruits.

You guys are not entirely correct being born again means becoming a new creature and being christlike, belieiving in Jesus means believing in his teachings and obeying his commandments. He emphaisized that his greatest commandments are to ove God and to love others as we love ourselve. he also made it clear we can't love God whom we cannot see if we don't love other around us whom we can see. Loving others = Loving God. You cannot be truely born again without having this christlike and mandated quality. The Gospel of Christ is the gospel of the Kingdom of God which can be accessed through keeping his commandments which is centred on love and leaving a holy life.

Odunnu:
Neithr wud any true xtian get into arguements abt the faith dat he professes.Its a biblical injunction Sir.

I am not arguing about the faith i profess rather i am trying to expose the charlatans and scammers masquerading as christians amongst us. i am also writting to let fellow christians know their antics so they would not be decieved. The aposles constantly wrote against false teachers, prophets and doctrines in the bible, i am only following in their foot steps.

@Arte
This people have sold their souls to mamon it would takea lot more than showing them scriptures to show them that they are following a flase gospel. The scriptures is very cear on this and Agbaje being a pastor is quite aware of this, but they have been trained to twist scriptures / ignore any part of the scriptures that does not encourage their lust for filthy lucre. Imagine he even once called James the brother of christ a "baby" christian just becos James writings contradict their filthy teachings.

nuella2:
Pls give me a verse that explains christian givings. Is a pastor not a christian? Are they not part of the body of christ? Weda i christian is needy or not, when you give you have done it to christ. You dont wait until someone is needy before you give.
Luke 6:38
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Christian giving is strictly giving to meet the needs of those in need be it , christian, pastor, muslim or pagan. As long as they are need it is our christian obligation to help. I am sure TB. Joshua would not be asking if the people he is helping in Haiti are christians before he assists them and God would still bless him for it. If you really want to know what christian giving as taught by christ is go and read matthew 25:31-40 agian in it's proper context without forcing the pre-conceived notions you have been poisoned with into it but try and receive what christ is really trying to say there.

Even the early church collections was for the poor and needy contrary to what pastors practise today claiming church collections is for "running the church" which effectively means it is for the pastor especially in one man pentecostal churches were there is no accountablity. Another typical example of christian giving [even in church] is posted below:

Acts 4:32-35:
32 All the believers were united in heart and mind. And they felt that what they owned was not their own, so they shared everything they had. 33 The apostles testified powerfully to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and God’s great blessing was upon them all. 34 There were no needy people among them, because those who owned land or houses would sell them 35 and bring the money to the apostles to give to those in need.

Acts 2:44-46:
44 And all the believers met together in one place and shared everything they had. 45 They sold their property and possessions and shared the money with those in need. 46 They worshiped together at the Temple each day, met in homes for the Lord’s Supper, and shared their meals with great joy and generosity

How many churches follow the examples set by the original church established by the direct apsotles of christ himself before the tainted version of christianity most churches are practising today.

nuella2:
None of the scriptures you quoted above implies that giving to pastors = giving to Jesus. Even though i have not said we should not give to pastors but the focus of our christian giving should be to those genuinely in need, be it pastor or any body else. It's okay if you give to your pastor to show appreciation but don't mistake that as christian giving or giving to christ.

Matthew 25:36
unclothed, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matthew 25:43
I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: unclothed, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Anything you give to a follower of christ, you have given to christ.

Again you try to quote that scripture out of context, Jesus was preaching giving to the poor and the needy in that passage and not giving to his followers, so please don't twist it.

@Joagbaje
Your case is not beyond prayers.

OLAADEGBU:
You just put the "foot in the mouth" by the verses you quoted in the post highlighted above.

[34] Then shall the King say to them on his right hand, Come, you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: [35] For I was an hungered, and you gave me meat: I was thirsty, and you gave me drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in: [36] unclothed, and you clothed me: I was sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. [37] Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when did we see you you an hungered, and fed you? or thirsty, and gave you drink? [38] When did we see you a stranger, and took you in? or unclothed, and clothed you? [39] Or when did we see you sick, or in prison, and came to you? [40] And the King shall answer and say to them, Verily I say to you, Inasmuch as you have done it to one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it to me. -- Matthew 25:34-40

As viaro and nuella2 have rightly pointed out, can you now see the correlation between what Jesus said in verse 40 and Christian giving?

Bros stp trying to be dis-honest you know as much as i know that the above passage as absolutely nothing to do with giving to pastors or even christians, it was to do with giving to the poor and the needy which is what true christian giving is all about

viaro:
Why is giving to one's pastor different from 'Christian giving' or 'giving to Christ'?

Even thoug there are examples of people giving to the apostles in the new testament, it was never taught as christian giving. Christian giving should be what we were taught or instructed to do NOT every example of giving we fing in the bible. Giving to a pastor who is not in need is certainly not christian giving but giving to a person out of appreciation or delusion.

Odunnu:
But i'm sure He considrz KunleOshb as hs spokesman and mouthpiece.
your own don too much 4here ojare.Wetin dem do u?kant u jst live your life and allow us 2live ourz?

No true christian would stand back and keep quite whilst charlartans bring the faith we profess into disrepute and use it to extort others cos of their greed. A true christian must always be ready to sand up to fight for the faith.

@mba emeka
I bring pastor chris into this becos he is one of the demons responsible for spreading this false prosperity gospel that the devil sent them to preach to deceive christians and rob them of their salvation.

The TB Joshua example you gave is does not hold water, he did not give becos he was loaded but he was able to give on behalf of his church becos he refused to mis-appropriate church funds for selfish yse a pastor chris is noted for and use the money as prescribed in the scriptures to meet the needs of those in need. Church funds don't belong to pastors, they are only custodians of it, they can either use it to serve God as directed in scriptures or mis-appropriate it like the agents of satan do.

It is evident from you post that you are already deeply sold out on this evil false gospel and that it would only take the saving grace of christ to re-claim your lost soul, so i won't bother to debate the issue wih you but leave you to God's mercy.

nuella2:
Didnt people give to Paul did he reject the gifts?
Philip. 4:15
Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me[/color] as concerning[b] giving[/b][color=#990000] and receiving, but ye only.
Romans 15:27
It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty[/color] is also to minister unto them in carnal things.

1 Cor. 9:11
If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

I remember people gave to Jesus, so why is it wrong to give to pastors today? Afterall its our benefit.
[Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account[color=#990000]] I do not say this to get a further gift from you, but to state facts, wanting you to bear fruit to be put to your account and rewarded in the day of Christ.

None of the scriptures you quoted above implies that giving to pastors = giving to Jesus. Even though i have not said we should not give to pastors but the focus of our christian giving should be to those genuinely in need, be it pastor or any body else. It's okay if you give to your pastor to show appreciation but don't mistake that as christian giving or giving to christ.

viaro:
What has OLAADEGBU said there that has warranted all these derision from you?

He tried to imply you can give to Jesus by giving to the church/pastor by twisting scriptures which say something entirely different.

Joagbaje:

1 Cor. 9:25
And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

To be temprate talks about sellf dicipline, If a natural man can discipline himself to stay on track how much more a christian . practice focus on the thread, I know you are only manifesting whats inside, but try hold youself for the thread sake.

James 1:8
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.




Little children are you stillon ths level?
A christian is supposed the be an example of self discipline,

Pastor, i would continue to remember you in my prayers and pray for the redemption of your soul so that you would truely get to know and experience Jesus. I also pray you don't continue to lead those who genuinely seek God away through your poisnous version of the gospel. I had thought you would learn a thing from the article on top of this page but apparently your heart is hardened like that of pharaoh. I hope you don't let it lead you to destruction.

Joagbaje:
God wants you to be rich. Poverty is a curse.

It is not the will of God for anyone to be poor. Poverty is a curse.

Proverbs 14:20
The poor is hated even of his own neighbour: but the rich hath many friends.

Proverbs 10:15
The rich man's wealth is his strong city: the destruction of the poor is their poverty.

Proverbs 22:7
The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.

A poor man cant help anybody,not even himself. But God wants us to be great enough to help others and be a blessing.

Genesis 12:2
And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

The devil detroys people's lives and destinies. Especially in Africa, anybody that tries to excell will be brought down .witchcraft activities paralyses helpless families. but the good news of the gospel is that there is way out.

Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

The good news is that the captives can be free, the poor can be rich.

2 Cor. 8:9
For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

The Greek word for "rich" plouteo: means to be wealthy and increase in goods.
Paul was given a mandate by Christ to deliver men from power of satan into their inheritance

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the[b] power of Satan[/b] unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and[b] inheritance[/b] among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Inheritance Gk Kleros: heritage by birth,aquisition

Paul didnt forget his mandate.

2 Cor. 6:10
As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many[b] rich[/b]; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.

The word "rich" Gk Ploutizo: to make wealthy,rich
God wants us to succeed in all areas in our lives; spiritualy, health,academics,finances and business.
John , the closest desciple to Jesus expressed his ernest desire for the church.

3 John 1:2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

Greek ,euodoo : means to succeed in business affair, to prosper. Jesus didnt die for us to suffer.

Most people that attack the message on prosperity meant well ,except that they lack the true understanding of prosperity.

Prosperity is not just about money but a total package. A state of total well being. God has given us all things to enjoy, but we dont live for ourselves we are blessed to bless others, a poor man cant help anybody.

1 Tim. 6:17
Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;

There is difference between wealth and worldliness. If i make millions ,I should be willing to give out in millions. When a man acquire and refuse to give, it is worldliness and covetousness and greed.The bible is against that.
Question, why is every christian not rich.?
Answer He must first believe it is God's will for him to prosper, then follow Gods laid out principles .He needs to grow in knowledge.
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Galatians 4:1
Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child,is not different from a servant, though he be lord of all;

Just when i thought you had repented and turned from your mamon ways . Why don't you stop forcing meanings into scripture and concentrate on the true teachings of christ without adding your own or pastor chris own to it

KunleOshob:
First fruit = first salary of the year is another false doctrine fast gaining prominence in the mamon worshipping arm of the pentecostal movement. 

It's the same way and reason the catholic church introduced tithing to christianity between the 6th and 8th century AD that the pentecostals are now trying to introduce first fruits into the church today. They are both doctrines of men derived from twisted scripture and manipulated to extort the flock becos of the love for material gain by it's proponents

OLAADEGBU:
[16] Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. [17] But whoso has this world's good, and sees his brother have need, and shuts up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? [18] My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. -- 1 John 3:16-18

This is the acid test of our love for all His children. Putting our money where our mouth is.

Olaadegbu i am really dissapointed in the point you are trying to pass across in the above highlighted, i actually assumed that you were a much more sincere christian than this[ a bit mis-guided perhaps] but i didn't expect this outright contrieved falsehood from you. If it was the likes of Tonye-t or Joagbaje i would not have been suprised as they are the ones known on this forum to willfully twist scripture for filthy gain. In your case i always assumed you were just misguided. The only way Jesus recommend we give to him in the bible is in matthew 25:31-40, any other recommandation is the doctrine of men. Giving to our pastors or to the church is not giving to Jesus cause he never asked us to do ss besides the bible makes it clear that God as no needs human hands can meet so please lets stop twisting scripture to prove vacant assertions.

I sincerely hope our resident pastor here on the forum pastor agbaje has read and reflected on the article above.

[quote author=aloy-emeka link=topic=395954.msg5499216#msg5499216 date=1265946740]Be careful about what you say with your mouth about the house of God. Do not say I didn't warn you.[/quote]I am quite certain God does not consider CEC plc as his house neither does he consider a scammer like oyakhilome as his servant.