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Pastor money bags is now the chief hustler in Aso rock with his adept skills in manipulating scriptures the man go soon hammer whilst taking the muguns there to the cleaners, of course he would attribute his "success" to being a generous giver and faithful tither whilst conviniently omitting the unchristlike hustling details.

Money given to charity by pastors is not theirs in the first instance it is the churches money and the biblical purpose of church offerings was to do charitable works contrary to what obtains today with pastors claiming the money is primarily meant to "run" the church and making it look as if they are being magmanimous when they put church money to it's originally intend purpose which was mostly charity.

The article is 100% accurate, oyakhilome has a chain of self serving businesses and has amassed tremendous wealth for himself at the expense of the church yet he finds it difficult to give to haiti from his loot. He only sees haiti as an excuse to fleece the flock additionally, I am almost certain that not a kobo of the raised funds would be used to help anybody.

@Alethia
On tonye-tithe's behalf I would like to thank you profusely for that lesson in elementary english comprehesion, he really needed it. Some of these rascals have been trained to panel beat scriptures and force it to say the exact opposite of what it is saying all for the sake of their ignomious trade.

It's not an April fool Joke, the story is also on the front page of today's THISDAY.

FG Withdraws Case against Ribadu
From Funso Muraina in Abuja, 04.01.2010

In what is seen as a prelude to his appointment as Special Adviser to the Acting President on Anti-Corruption, the Office of the Attorney-General of the Federation has applied to the Code of Conduct Tribunal (CCT) for the withdrawal of the case of non-declaration of assets instituted against the former chairman of the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC), Mallam Nuhu Ribadu.
It is not yet clear if the current EFCC Chair, Mrs Farida Waziri, will report to him if he is eventually appointed by Acting President Goodluck Jonathan.

At the CCT sitting in Abuja yesterday, the AGF, represented by the Special Assistant on Litigation, Dr. J. O. Olatoke, stated that his application for withdrawal of the case had nothing to do with a new application the defence counsel intended to submit for CCT to strike out the case.
The defence counsel, Mr. Femi Falana, represented by Mr. Samuel Ogalla, had earlier made known to the Acting Chairman of the Tribunal, Justice Murtala A. Sani (SAN), his intention to submit an application to the CCT to strike out the case against his client.
Ogalla’s application was rejected by Justice Sani based on the fact that the tribunal had no substantive chairman and therefore could not take a new motion but could only attend to non-controversial matters.

Justice Sani then advised the prosecuting counsel to formalise his application for withdrawal of the case for proper documentation at its next sitting on Thursday, April 8, 2010.
Speaking after the sitting on what prompted the withdrawal of the case, the prosecuting counsel said before the dissolution of the cabinet, “the former Attorney-General of the Federation, Prince Adetokunbo Kayode (SAN), reviewed the cases on ground and directed that this case should be withdrawn”.

Olatoke said the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria vested in the AGF the power of nolle prosequi to discontinue any criminal prosecution at any stage of the case and that it is within the prerogative of AGF under the constitution to decide the cases he wants to prosecute.
Ribadu had praised the elevation of Jonathan to the position of acting president in February, adding that the resolution of the National Assembly indicated that things were changing for the better in the country.

The former EFCC chairman also said he was ready to return to the country to be part of the process of reconstruction desperately needed in the society.
THISDAY had reported in February that the Federal Government was wooing Ribadu and was ready to drop the “trumped-up” charges against him, in addition to restoring Ribadu’s rank, who was demoted by two ranks from Assistant Inspector General of Police (AIG) to Deputy Commissioner of Police (DCP) before he was finally dismissed for going AWOL (away without official leave) after failing to report for duty in Edo State.

The police disciplinary committee that recommended his dismissal was headed by Ogbonna Onovo, who is now the Inspector General of Police (IG).
When Ribadu was denied his certificate by the National Institute for Policy and Strategic Studies (NIPSS) for failing to wear his police uniform - which would have meant donning his demoted rank and subsequently challenged the demotion in court at the time - it was Jonathan who ordered NIPSS to release his certificate.

http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=169859

Nice thread quite refreshing instead of the usual banters this forum is notorious for.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=421491.msg5811431#msg5811431 date=1270131301]You see confusion, If that passage was only for the jews and doesnt apply to others, then i might as well say that when Jesus made the teaching of the beatitudes also he was ONLY teaching the Jews as well and not us as well as all the teachings he made in the NT. How does that sound to you. silly i guess?

KunleOshob! *shakes head*[/quote]@Tonye 419

Evidently you have very little understanding of the scriptures else you would not be comparing the sermon on the mount with Jesus castigation of the pharisees. Matthew 23:23 was not a teaching on tithes but primarily to castigate the pharisees like our preachers today. He only mentioned tithes in relevance to their laws and practises back then which are clearly not relevant to us.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=421491.msg5811364#msg5811364 date=1270130688]But at least the testator of the New covenant taught it, and that's all that matters for me.

Matt.23:23 - Jesus said to them, practise mercy, practise faithfulness, practise justice and[b] i say do not neglect to practise tithing[/b]. (HEPV).

It was Jesus himself who made this statement so i dont think i need paul, peter or any other to emphasis or over-emphasize on that simple word. cheers! [/quote]Jesus himself practised the Jewish religion based on the levitical priesthood and he was talking with pharisees under the levitical system who were bound by those obsolete laws. besides they didn't tithe money but herbs and spices I thank God for the gift of Jesus that has set us free from such oppression. Anyone who chooses to remain in bondage is free to remain there.

ogajim:
There you go again tithe monger, back to your old dirty tricks, if all else fails, accuse Kunle of being ogajim or vice versa. I don't need to explain myself to your or your ilk, but be warned that it doesn't bother me, I've heard worse and refused to react in kind.

I heard you guys have a strong presence in Houston, great that I am far from there( spreading the Gospel by following Nigerians where ever they're plenty) Fishy at best!


Call it UPN if you want!

Nigerians are not only plenty in houston, but houston is a very rich state. It is quite obvious that it is the oil dollars that is the attraction and not the love of the gospel.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=422738.msg5811305#msg5811305 date=1270130281]I cant remember asking Ogajim about CEC, but KunleOShob. Maybe KunleOshob was replying me back while still wearing Ogajim's jersey.

Smell something fishy about the trinitytwo-nity guy  [/quote]Since when did questions become exclusive on NL ?

ogajim:
I found out about CEC/Love World Inc. on the pages of NL, I don't think I've seen any of the branches in my travels to Nigeria. I did see their rented buses and their staff equipped with bull horns soliciting for folks to take the "free ride" to "hear pastor Chris", I remarked to my cousin that it won't be long before they throw in free lunch and dinner ( this happened this past February-20 something in case they want to deny it, the place was right in front of Deeper life HQ under construction)

Thats true they specialize in hiring ricketty buses to carry people to go and listen to pastor chris. in most of their branches, the pastors don't deliver the sermon when it comes to the time for the sermon they just slot in a video of one of pastor chris previous heresies and play it.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=421491.msg5811246#msg5811246 date=1270129909]Who is talking about compulsory tithing here. What matters is that you have attestd to the FACT that tithing is still relevant and that is enough for moi. [/quote]Tithing is clearly NOT relevant to christianity else the apostles would have taught it to the early christian converts and i NEVER attested that tithing is still relevant as it is a man made doctrine concorted to feed the greed of a few.

Of recent i have noticed that my dear friend and "brother" has been missing from this forum and he hasn't been posting his usual heresies. Not that i miss him, i am actually relieved that he has stop poisoning people with false doctrines [at least on this forum] but i am just curious as to what's up with him. As the older members of this section know he is a pastor to the family members of the acting president and i remember i professized that "blessings" would soon start flowing his way as a result of his connections with the acting "first" family. I also professized that he might even be appointed pastor in the Aso rock chapel were the president worships along with all the christian power brokers in the presidency. I also professized that he would soon resign from pastor chris church company and go and start his own church business.

I suspect that joagabje as relocated to Aso rock [even if just as a lobbyist] and doors might soon start opening for him hence he has less time to chat on NL, anyone who knows the where abouts of pastor Joe should let be know on this thread so i can contact Aso rock through him i am also looking for a political appointment I promise to pay at least 50% tithe of all the egunje i collect in the course of the appointment to joagbaje's ministry.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=422738.msg5810728#msg5810728 date=1270125950]@ KunleOshob,

If the word "daft" were a compliment, i would have said YOU ARE SO DAFT. You have not showed us what evil you have against CEC, until then, keep up the silly work.

cheers![/quote]Whats your own, are you also a customer of CEC? Abeg free me ojare Any organization that specializes in distorting the gospel of our lord Jesus christ and making merchandize of believers is evil, CEC plc stands shoulder high in this evil.

jydewalker:
This thread is boring and let me say unfair. the poster mentioned only 2 example and concluded that all G.O are making their children Pastors.

Pls, lets do something better than all these gbeborun.
Let them be. And say something reasonable and impacting.

If it is boring, what a re you doing on it Na so you jobless reach?

@Tonye
No matter how much you try to distort scripture tithing was a part of the Jewish law and it is tithing based or law that criminals preach in churches today as compulsary. The tithe Abraham paid was not compulsary or mandated, he did it of his own volition based on the customs of the babylonian people [where he came from] of that time. It had no religious undertone neither was it instructed by God so any pastor that wants to justify compulsary tithing today by that one off voluntary act of Abraham to the King of Salem based on pagan babylonian traditions is not only a charlatan but a crooked one at that.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=421491.msg5810351#msg5810351 date=1270122698]Good!

This is what is rather excepted from you, when you contribute on issues of tithes, make sure and boldened to inform folks here that the ACT ITSELF IS NOT BAD, and that what you are against is the way fake shepherds fleece and deceive their flocks. And i'll respect you for that. simple!

because for the best part of this section, you have been spreading the evil info that the practise's been abolished and that preachers uses it to deceive their flocks. which you and I know that a thousand folks come here to be informed and the read these lies from your posts and go on with the fake crusade.

Foster this claim : . Tithing in it self is not a wrong or evil practise (Like you said up here) and i'll see a honorable KunleOshob or else you should come up with scriptural passages to stand your case next time u later change your point or claim. cheers![/quote]Mr man stop deceiving yourself you and i know that most preachers preach tithing from Malachi 3:10 [based on the obsolete jewish law] and they mostly preach it has compulsary. What is obsolete is tithing based on the law which is what our greedy preachers preach. out side the law it was an ancient babylonian custom which Abraham practised once, this is of no consequence to christians as it is just a babylonian custom of pagan origins. Titihing was not part of the apostolic teachings hence it is not a part of true christianity and should NEVER be preached as such else you would be guilty of twisting the gospel of our lord Jesus christ which never included tithing. If preachers genuinely need to raise funds on a regullar basis from people's income then they ought to tell people the undiluted truth and leave people to decide wether they want to give or not, they should not be using threats of curses and delusions of blessings to extort money from people, they should also make sure that majority of the collections they make is used to do charitable works as that was the example set for us by the apostles

@Tonye
Even though i know you know that tithing was part of the Jewsih laws and you choose to ignore that fact since we've been through the argument before for the benefit of others reading the thread i would quote biblical passages that states clearly that tithing is a part of the obsolete jewish laws.

Matthew 23:23:

  23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.



Hebrews 7:5:

  5And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:



Deuteronomy 26:12-16:

  12When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled;

  13Then thou shalt say before the LORD thy God, I have brought away the hallowed things out of mine house, and also have given them unto the Levite, and unto the stranger, to the fatherless, and to the widow, according to all thy commandments which thou hast commanded me: I have not transgressed thy commandments, neither have I forgotten them.

  14I have not eaten thereof in my mourning, neither have I taken away ought thereof for any unclean use, nor given ought thereof for the dead: but I have hearkened to the voice of the LORD my God, and have done according to all that thou hast commanded me.

  15Look down from thy holy habitation, from heaven, and bless thy people Israel, and the land which thou hast given us, as thou swarest unto our fathers, a land that floweth with milk and honey.

  16This day the LORD thy God hath commanded thee to do these [b]statutes [/b]and judgments: thou shalt therefore keep and do them with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.


As i suspect your English comprehension is deliberately poor, the word "statutes" also means laws likewise the word commandments in verse 13

InesQor:


Who will adopt this orphaned thread, abandoned in the evil forest?

Why don't you adopt it after all you were a good "student" of OOI in your mavenbox days

@Nuella
On the surface of it you have written well and we as christians should show love and be more interested in projecting the faith. But Jesus himself warning us that wolves would slip into the fold, he warned us that they would be very deceptive and convincing but he further taught us how to recognized these fake preachers. Do you think he was giving us these warnings so as to tolerate the wolves amongst us or to expose them? I am not passing judgement on anybody but it is my christian duty to expose the wolves amongst us going by biblical standard, becos this is what christ taught. What you ought to realize is that these criminals are destroying lives and leading people away from their salvation contrary to the impression they give, the more they are exposed the less lives they would destroy. Christian leader must be accountable to their followers and must be held to biblical standard, if they deviate we must hold them to task less we have more Rev Kings emerging from within.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=421491.msg5809889#msg5809889 date=1270117874]Ok i want a single sincere and honest christian here on NL to come out and boldly write why HE/SHE feels the act of Tithing is evil/obsolete or abolished. And pls back your points with Scritpural references.

Maybe i could be a convert![/quote]What i think should be addressed in the first instance is this:

*Is there any sound basis or instruction for tithing to christians in the bible?
*Or better still is there anywhere in the bible where christians or even Jews where asked to tithe form their monetary income? [the argument that agricultural produce was their income does not hold as there is enough evidence in the bible that people wereearning monetary income as far back as the book of genesis].
*Is it right for so called men of god to twist God's word by changing agircultural produce used for tithes in the levitical priesthood to money and applying it to the priesthood of Christ when no such requirement is made in the bible. Even when the bible makes it clear that levitical priesthood/tithing has been anulled becos of it's weakness and uselessness, is it right for mere men to try and force it back into christianity under false pretext?
*lets even assume that it is ok for christians to tithe, how come the type of tithing being preached today is totally different from biblical tithing were the tither eats of his tithe with his family and shares it with orphans, widows strangers and lastly the levites?[deut 14:22-29]
*How come our greedy clergy gives the unbiblical wrong impression that it is their exclusive preserve?
Are our preachers today qualified to be labelled as levites whom the biblical tithe was meant to support?
*If so why are they not giving up their right to own property as that was the basis that qualified the levites to accept tithes in the first instance? Is this not a case of eating your cake and still having it?
*If christians are meant to tithe how come neither Jesus nor any of the apostles taught it to nay of their followers [matthew 23:23 was being addressed to pharisees who were under the law and NOT christians], how come tithing didn't not surface in christianity until after 500 years when the catholic church needed money and decided to fleece to flock by twisting scripture?


If you are able to answer any of those questions rightly you would realize that tithing the way it is preached and practised today is wrong and of no sound biblical basis. Tithing in it self is not a wrong or evil practise what is wrong and evil is the manipulation of scriptures by preachers to deceive people that tithing is compulsary for them as christians thereby creating an impression that salvation is not free.

nuella2:
Was he saying pastors been business minded or using ministry as business, COS Jesus doing his fathers business was preaching and doing the father's will on earth. I think i will get the book to comfirm what exactly he was trying to say. Quoting a book from half can be confusing, question? what was said before that statement and after that statement, is the truth.

Apart from what Oyedepo said, it is evident from the way he operates that he sees the church as a means of accumulating wealth for himself. That is the way he operates, he has amassed a fortune for himself merchandizing the gospel what further evidence do you need to confirm he sees and operates his church as a bbusiness.

cibilola:
really? did Oyedepo admit to this fact?

Yes he said it in one of his filthy books called "exploits in the ministry"

But Oyedepo, an unrepentant prosperity preacher, who ranks among the richest pastors in Nigeria with chains of businesses, justified the business approach of many pentecostal pastors to evangelism in his book Exploits in Ministry. In the book, he described church ministry as essentially business.

He says: “Without doubt, one of the reasons why most ministers ordained of God fall short of expectation or collapse completely is due to their unbusiness-like approach to ministry. Ministry is essentially business. Jesus Christ said: Wist ye that I must be about my father’s business (Luke 2:49) . It is God’s business. We have been accused of turning ministry into business, but that is not true, we met it as a business. Jesus, the author and founder of ministry, told us it is a business”.

You can see the way he twisted scriptures above to justify the racket he is doing.

seyenko:
[size=8pt][size=8pt][size=8pt]The answer is found in the parable of the good Samaritan[/size][/size][/size]

The parable is found in the Gospel of Luke, chapter 10, verses 25-37.

The parable goes;

One day an expert in religious law stood up to test Jesus by asking him this question: “Teacher, what should I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus replied, “What does the law of Moses say? How do you read it?” The man answered, “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your strength, and all your mind.’ And, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” “Right!” Jesus told him. “Do this and you will live!” The man wanted to justify his actions, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

Jesus then replied with a story:

“A Jewish man was travelling on a trip from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he was attacked by bandits. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him up, and left him half dead beside the road. By chance a priest (senior tithe collector) came along. But when he saw the man lying there, he crossed to the other side of the road and passed him by. A Levite (tithe collector) walked over and looked at him lying there, but he also passed by on the other side. Then a despised Samaritan came along, and when he saw the man, he felt compassion for him. Going over to him, the Samaritan soothed his wounds with olive oil and wine and bandaged them. Then he put the man on his own donkey and took him to an inn, where he took care of him. The next day he handed the innkeeper two silver coins, telling him, ‘Take care of this man. If his bill runs higher than this, I’ll pay you the next time I’m here.’ “Now which of these three would you say was a neighbor to the man who was attacked by bandits?” Jesus asked. The man replied, “The one who showed him mercy.” Then Jesus said, “Yes, now go and do the same.

Brilliant and precise submission, i believe it precisely speaks the mind of Jesus concerning the topic. It also emphasizes how important it is to help those in need as Jesus actually taught it as a way of showing love to your neigh bours which would then secure you a place in heaven. Meaning helping others is key to our salvation. Unlike the scam called tithes which is not required of christians and is just being used to feed the greed of some charlatans.

cibilola:
From what I see, church is a family business, when God calls father, God also seem to call son(s). [b]They want to continue with the business after one generation is over, which is not a bad thing, [/b]but at least they should not deny it anymore. PRAISE THE LIVING GOD!! and stop deceiving yourselves

Well Oyedepo as at least been honest enough to admit that his church is a business.

@benodic
Interesting submissions you have made here, even though i tend to agree with some of your submissions especially on the issues of loving others, alot of things about eckankar just doesn't add up. Apart from the fact that it was a "religion" invented plagiarised form other religions as recently as the sixties and all the other credibilty crisis sorrounding it, i also gather it operates in a cult like fashion with a lot of secrecy sorrounding the inner workings of the movement. I even read somewhere that it was started as a business before it "changed" into a religion. Also i would like to ask, is the love you talk about reall? as in practicalized or is it just lip service? One of my greatest dissapointments in christian worship today is the way the majority of christian faithfuls/churches conviniently ignore this greatest commandment to love in christianity and pursue the trivial and more convinient ones. They even invent false doctrines like tithes, first fruit and seed sowing through twisted scriptures and put so much importance on these scams than whilst ignoring the true teachings of our Lord Jesus christ.

On a parting note i suggest you re-visit christianity with the knowledge you have now gained. Approach it strictly from the biblical perspective[new testament] and forget Church doctrines and traditions of men that have taken over most of our churches. You may still yet discover that Jesus Christ is The way The truth and The life. The problems with the christian religion today is not the founder but our christian leaders. Don't throw away the baby with the bath water.

Interesting topic

My contribution: Actually it as been scientifically proven that the human brain emits Beta, Alpha, Delta & Theta waves. This is a very new area in science and research / knowledge in this field is very limited, however it as shown a lot of potential as experiments have shown that man can interact control his computer using brainwaves to control it instead of a key board or a mouse. Actually the potentials of this technology are immense even though it is still in it's early stage the U.S militery is already spending millions on financing scientists researching the brain wave phenomena. The question now begs, what are we doing with brain waves we apparently don't use or can even comprehend? Personally i suspect it maybe there for communication with the supernatural. It might even be the means by which God knows what is in our mind. Ability to be able to manipulate and control brain waves would give man tremendous power over other men becos you would be able to control them and manipulate them. You can imagine the potentials of this "technology". The use and manipulation of this brain wave technology might actually be what is responsible for a good number of paranormal occurences. For more on brainwave technology check the link below:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6661974/

@Poster

What is the name of the church? Is it christ embassy  they are notorious for immoral activities there. i suggest you take to your heels and flee.

@tonye
The bible says by their fruits you shall know them. Even going just by his fruits here on nairaland [his heretic followers] the false doctrines he preaches and the fake miracles he stages you can safely conclude he is a fraud.

Ganjaseed:
Mabell and other die hard fans of CEC will never learn anything. They put the servant of God above his words and they are happy about that. Know the word of God personally and forget about the smooth tongue deception that you hear everytime from your pastors. Listen to them but search out if what they said is the truth or not. we all have access to the Bible and the Holy spirit.

Unfortunately the man they are even idolizing is not a genuine servant of God, the man is only interested in serving his pockets.

@sojjy03
Where you there when God God told Oyedepo that There are also numerous and convincing proofs that Oyedepo is a false preacher so stop claiming there are proofs he was called of God. I am sure you are one of the deluded folks who assume that since he is so wealthy God must be blessing him whilst conviniently ignoring the obviuos fact that the man made his money from fleecing the flock and merchandizing the gospel.

ogajim:
Not if he is one of those pastors, his buddy Joagbaje is on vacation (it seems) so tonye-tithe is pulling a double shift here

It's really a breath ot fresh air that joagabje has not been spewing his usual rubbish on this forum for a while. His posts were really getting very nauseating and sickening. I pray that he truly repents from his evil ways and turn his back on that fraudulent organization called CEC.

Abi oh! where is he? I miss his insightful posts. i wouldhaveloved to see his comments on the "Supernatural experience thread"