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ogajim:
Kunle, Zikky,


Haven't you noticed that JoAgbaje has moved on? He seems to be here on a "mission" because the very moment you start to expose him and his Church on any thread, they simply move on and create a new one.

Na God go save us from fake preachers ooooo.

I believe joagbaje has toned down on his prosperity garb a bit since he joined this forum. God is touching his heart and slowly revealing the truth to him. It is just a matter of time he would soon denounce the false gospel. I only hope he would be able to look his boss in the face and tell him he has been leading them astray and taking advantage of their human greeds.

[quote author=aloy-emeka link=topic=395954.msg5491596#msg5491596 date=1265847937]Would Christ Embassy have received the money if they knew it was stolen?[/quote]Don't they recieve lrge sums of money from politicians are they claiming ignorance of the source of the money That apart what stopped CEC from returning the money when they found out it was stolen and condenming the act publicly? instead they threatened to sue newspapers for exposing them for the crooks they are.

ogajim:
=> Maybe I'll make a snowman and name him viaro

i would sure love to kick that snow man in the butt

viaro:
Haha. . I will email you later (and maybe both pilgrim.1 and mavebox and mabell would join us too, hahahaha!! )

Viaro no one has claimed on this thread that you are any other person apart from Pilgrim.1 so stop using diversionary tactics. And you are definitely not mavenbox as she is much toodecent to be viaro, neither are you mabell who is a silly illerate child that attends that wrecthecd institution that called CEC plc. Mabell is way to shallow in her posts and is definitely a baby unlike you who is well schooled in the art of manipulation, deception and ochestrated lies.

shilling:
What makes you this "for a fact", just wondering ?

Very simple, the bible says that "by their fruits you shall know them" surely the fruits emanating from Winner's chapel are not the fruits displayed by Jesus.

mabell:
@ rich_john
Its a pity, may God have mercy on your soul, God will require your blood in the hands of the likes of the unstable Kunle Oshobi who takes delight in attacking the church of christ at the detriment of unsaved souls like yours,.

I have never for once attacked the true church of christ, those i attack are the wolves in sheep's clothing Jesus himself warned us about. I have always been a strong advocate for the true chuch of our lord Jesus christ which is built based on genuine love and centred on christ different from most of the churches we have today were the love of christ does not even exist.

Thre is a scientist whois working on the links between science and religion [ancient wisdom] His name is Gregg Braden, you may wish to do a google search on him. Promises to be quite revealing

As i implied earlier i think it is a figurative term since all men are still going to be Judged. If a name is written in the book of life before then it means judgement has already been passed before judgement day.

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=391636.msg5484938#msg5484938 date=1265786442]Why does argument on tithes bring out the fighters in xtians?[/quote]Becos there are so many wolves in sheeps clothing [which our lord Jesus christ warned us about] parading themselves as menof God. Some of us have decided to stand up for the faith and share the undiluted trtuhs with our brethen. Unfortunately this topic has to do with a major source of filthy lucreamongst those who claim to serve God and they are not ready to give up this lucrative source of illicit gain so they nd their disciple fight us with all they have got instead of searching the scriptures to see what it really says. I am not suprised so many people are being deceived cos Jesus warned us that even the very elect God's chosen ones would almost be deceved how much less the thoroughly brainwashed lost sheep that form the congregation of most of these false churches.

Joagbaje:
Pls explain more, are you saying there is no book?

I have come to an understanding that a lot of the expressions in the bible was communicated in such a way that the ancient people of that time would understand it or better still the biblical writters wrote scriptures the way they understood it. If for instance revelations were made today writters would use different terminologies becos of our improved vocabulary over the ancients. You have to undestand that God and the things of heaven are infinitely more advanced than us on this planet and we are only beginning to scratch the surface of understanding, as such comprehending God is way beyond our understanding and things have to be really simplified before humans can understand it. This is partly responsible for some seeming inconsistencies in the bible, it is becos the writters wrote what was revealed to them the best way they could understand it. The book of life could simply mean a "record of those who would inherit eternal life" today we are more likely to keep our records/ data in computers so if the bible were written in mordern times the writter could use the term "data base of life" to describe the records rather than the "book of life". Hope i was able to make sense.

The book of life is figurative and not physical, pastor mi good morning

olowolekan:
Well, all can say for now is to let you know again that tithe is not optional but compulsory.All you have read from Holy Bible is not enough to drive the point home.,se.The problem with you is that you need to be washed with the blood of Jesus before you reason like Him.I quoted from both old and new testament to suport my points yet your heart could not take it[b].Anyone who fails to tithe is a thief and is robbing God.A thief will not get to Heaven[/b].
A christian woman failed to tithe for some month and she observed the sales was decreasing and later no customer patronised her.She went to God in prayer and God spoke ''You are a thief,you have been robbing me,so so date you sold this and this, where is mine'' She repented and restituted and her business came back to life.We are serving a living God not graven image or carved wood.Tithe is not optional.God bless you as you restitute.

Bros please carry your filthy lies away from this forum, the tithing debate on this forum has gone way beyond the illiterate pendantricks some of you use to intimidate people to part with a part of their income. I would suggest to you to rather ask questions and the learned poeple on that subject would treat your ignorance with appropriate bible verses on the subject. Meanwhile i suggest you stop your arrongant expression of ignorance on this thread.

First fruit = first salary of the year is another false doctrine fast gaining prominence in the mamon worshipping arm of the pentecostal movement.  

inedi:
According to Dakes bible commentary, John only came in the spirit and power of Elijah, but not actualy Elijah, since Elijah is still bodily in heaven.

Is heaven supposed to be a physical place  i thought it was meant to be in the spiritual plain. That aside mordern day analysis of the Elijah story suggests he was abducted by UFOs  but since the biblical writers didn't have the words to describe UFOs they called it "chariot with horses of fire"

ogajim:
You still don't get the Red Cross rhetorical question so just take a pass, I have passed beyond the insults stage, very elementary if you ask me.

Don't mind the silly child, she is still yet to respond to y question of what exactly was anulled in Heb 7:18, instead she started writing epistles to confuse herself and other simple minded readers.

Joagbaje:
@KunleOshob
Instead of pasting you long epistle from wherever you should have read it up and go to the point, do i look like an ignorant man to you? there are several schools of thoughts on the topic, Is it moses ,Elija,Enoch, or John, or any saint on the earth. Instead of boring us with long irrelivances more complicated than the simplicity of the bible.

Bros i am sorry O! i just thought that as a "pastor" you would be more interested in what they were coming to do than their identities which is not really relevant. You should learn to pick at the wheat of the scriptures rather than salivating over the shaft.

mabell:
God said Elijah would come back before second coming, Malachi 4:5
Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

The coming of John the baptist was supposed to have fufilled the prophecy of Elijah coming back.

@Pilgrim.1/ trauggot
Even i have said and i still maintain that tithing the way it is preached, defined and practised in today's churches has no sound biblical basis and by implication a scam since it is the doctrines of men presented as the word of God however i did make concessions that if the tither is told the whole truth about tithing and is made to realize that it is not in anyway a cristian obligation but simply a recommendation of the church to promote the ministry and the tither still purposes in his heart to tithe, then it is absolutely ok since the truth has been told in this case. Instead of my dear pilgrim.1 to admit i made concessions she and the illiterate girl mabell go ahead and accuse me of being inconsistent. And to make matters worse pilgrim.1 now has the presence of mind to accuse me of not proclaiming "tithing is not a scam" after i took pains to explain conditions under which it was ok and acceptable to God

Some of us already know that tithing is NOT compulsory - and we have been bold to say it so many times already! Here again I have said it. BUT - Is it too much for an anti-tither to simply proclaim that 'Tithing is NOT a scam'??

omafones:
@kunleOshob, thank you for your detailed response, but my question is this nation of church goers how often is the message of 'love' preached as the central theme of any sermon.

Why so often do we concentrate on the fight against percieved evil, or the fight to better our selves on this earth, or how to stop other people committing sins, when it is clear that 'love' conquers all ills in any society

I understand the import of your post precisely and i entirely agree with you. The church has missed it's focus and christians are not being taught sound doctrines anymore. Doctrines of men now rule and the true teachings of christ as taken the back seat. Some of us have shouted ourselves hoarse on this forum backed with sound scripture to encourage other christians to wakeup, observe and correct this anomally but every body seems to be happy in their comfort zones, no one wants to rock the boat yet the their salvation is a stake due to these wrong doctrines.

techie:
Just a quick question if i pay my tithe religiously every month and my job ends and I have to borrow money (which gives me a negative in come) am I free to request for 10% of what I borrow from the church ?

viaro:
Eh, just a quick question, sir: who is asking you to pay tithes religiously?

It is aperfectly logical question since tithe peddlers preach compulsary 10% of positive income, if the income goes into the negative would they reverse the tithe?

omafones:
Love is always patient and kind; it is never jealous; love is never boastful or conceited; it is never rude or selfish; it does take offence and is not resentful. Love takes no pleasure in other people’s sins but delights in truth; it is always ready to excuse, to trust, to hope, and to endure whatever comes,
, in short there are three things that last: faith, hope and love; and the greatest of these is love,


All you clever people out there please tell me where this is from?

The passage can be found in 1 corinthians 13:1-13 this is actually one of my favourite passages in the bible as it points at the core of the true gospel of our lord Jesus christ and is also key to the salvation of all believers, sadly however this critical point is being missed and even ignored by a large majority of our churches yet they claim to be following christ If you don't have love for your fellow men you can't possibly love God and you are definitely NOT a christian, there is simply no way around it. I pray that God would reveal his truth to us all.

1 John 4:7-21:

Loving One Another

7 Dear friends, let us continue to love one another, for love comes from God. Anyone who loves is a child of God and knows God. 8 But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
9 God showed how much he loved us by sending his one and only Son into the world so that we might have eternal life through him. 10 This is real love—not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a sacrifice to take away our sins.

11 Dear friends, since God loved us that much, we surely ought to love each other. 12 No one has ever seen God. But if we love each other, God lives in us, and his love is brought to full expression in us.

13 And God has given us his Spirit as proof that we live in him and he in us. 14 Furthermore, we have seen with our own eyes and now testify that the Father sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 All who confess that Jesus is the Son of God have God living in them, and they live in God. 16 We know how much God loves us, and we have put our trust in his love.

God is love, and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them. 17 And as we live in God, our love grows more perfect. So we will not be afraid on the day of judgment, but we can face him with confidence because we live like Jesus here in this world.

18 Such love has no fear, because perfect love expels all fear. If we are afraid, it is for fear of punishment, and this shows that we have not fully experienced his perfect love. 19 We love each other because he loved us first.

20 If someone says, “I love God,” but hates a brother or sister, that person is a liar; for if we don’t love people we can see, how can we love God, whom we cannot see? 21 And he has given us this command: Those who love God must also love their brothers and sisters.

Traugott:
Enigma, you keep talking as if Nairaland will not be there for years as long as Seun Osewa keeps renewing his domain and hosting registration. Will you be there in, say, 20 years time to explain KunleOshob's misplaced statement "Tithing is a SCAM", will you or him be there to explain the context? You speak as if WE (Viaro, Traugott, etc) should know, but don't you get it? We're not saying all of this for ourselves only, its also for the future. THAT is why we always speak carefully about matters that you refer to as irrelevant details. One who is passing information around should better do it properly or not at all, lest it deforms rather than inform.

Imagine that I never drew attention to what he just said, and someone else sees that LIE. It will lead such a one astray and he too may keep spreading the false doctrine that TITHING IS A SCAM. Can you imagine that?

Jingle bells. . .

I don't know why my posts are giving you sleepness nights, centuries ago when the catholic church was in need of extra funding and the church memebers did not have access to the bible they decided to introduce tithing to the church despite the fact that it was not part of the apostolic teachings or traditions handed down to the church, it started as obligatory and later they got bolder and made it mandatory, it even got to a point in time that it was incoporated into the laws of european Kingdoms of that time. With time and enlightenment the catholic church realized their error and recanted on the obligatory/ mandatory nature f their tithe doctrine and they then made it optional. But today amongst the new generation churches they have developed new doctrine about this false teaching and the debate is now wether it should before or after tax. the truth is that tithing as it is preached and practised today lacks sound biblical basis and it is essentially a doctrine of man being presented as the word of God so i am absolutely 100% correct when i call it a scam. I challenge anyone to show me from the bible were tithes is defined as a 10% of our regular income. I am quite aware that what is posted on the internet would be there in twenty years time, infact i was pleasantly suprised late last year when a article i had written about tithes two years earlier and posted on the internet was published in a major newspaper even without my knowledge. this is the link to the article http://www.compassnews.net/Ng/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=34919:tithing-is-unscriptural-kunle-oshobi&catid=46:sunday-compass&Itemid=698 i am truly glad that through my efforts thousands of people are being freed of this bondage of compulsary tithing being placed on them by ordinary men like themselves in the name of God. As a true christian you should be more bothered that the word of God is being twisted on a massive scale by the church that claims to represent him than worrying about someone who is exposing the fallacies and scams in their teachings. So i maintain my stand, tithing as it is preached and practised today is a scam as it lacks sound biblical basis and it was never part of the christian doctrines handed down by the apostles but only introduced by men centuries later. If any pastor wants to encourage his flock to tithe he owes it an obligation to make them know it is not a christian doctrine and they should be made to understand it is a purely discretionary choice of the tither, any teaching short of this is a 100% scam.

ogajim:
Christians now retort to name calling to emphasize their points? Where is "Can't we all get along" Rodney King when you need him?

Nice work Kunle as always, I am still looking for the NL Pulitzer committee because I want to nominate you for the good work you're doing,


I don't want to call you a slow reader Jo but what is too long to search for knowledge, understanding, information, etc? We are not being lazy now are we?

Thanx for the compliments, i actually assumed Pastor Agbaje would appreciate the articles since he was the one who started the thread and is curious about who the two witnesses are but alas he did not appreciate the effort. I think it is typical of christ embassy memebrs who find it difficult to read anything not written by their god oyakhilome, they even find it difficult to read the bible, but if it is any of the sci-fi books written by oyaks you would see them drooling over it no matter how long the thrash is.

OLAADEGBU:
I do not lay any claim to be an expert on Greek nor biblical issues but since you claim you do, can you then tell us what the disciples saw when Jesus was ascending to heaven? Since they saw him ascend through the skies and Paul said that believers in Christ will meet him in the clouds does that imply that Christ rose and remained in the clouds or skies and will receive believers in the skies, not proceeding to the third heaven before coming back to earth? It is true that Elisha saw Elijah being caught up in a chariot of fire in the skies, does that imply that he remained in the cloud with his chariot and did not proceed to the third heaven where Elisha could not see him? I believe that it will be more profitable for you to acquaint and avail yourself with what the first coming of Jesus Christ accomplished in your life and this will put you in a better position to appreciate what His second coming is all about.

Bros did you read the revelations passage i posted or would you rather stick to your unscriptural assumptions about rapture 1 thess 4:16-17 never said believers would be taken to heaven it only said they they would meet Jesus in the sky [probably to welcome him] the revelations passage i posted makes it clear that God would come and reign on earth with his people. If you have any knowledge of the scriptures at all you would know that God in that passage actually refers to Jesus.

Traugott:
KunleOshob, what warrants your ad hominem attack on viaro? That was unnecessary, and the only reason Im saying the below is cos I need to make myself clear.

kunleOSHOB and Enigma, Viaro the person is known to me as viaro the poster. I dont know pilgrim, but if she exists and you insist that its the same brain, fingerprint, bone marrow and DNA; THEN i assure you that everything you know about pilgrim is false. If you can live with it and u r sure its d same person, then pilgrim is male, is not an ex-muslim, etc. This is not what I found out on NL Threads, but thats the case with my pal viaro the poster AND viaro the person. Lastly, compare pilgrim's discussions with olabowale, with viaro's with ditto. The subtle differences will glare at you.

VIARO, you rise still. And I apologize.

Well don't lets derail this thread, i'd rather spend my energy showing people that tithing is a scam than try to expose viaro's true identity. I know she has made some conscious effort to disguise her true identity but it doesn't sell with me i know her too well. She is my nairaland wife now she is trying to disguise herself.  

The problem lies with the "born again" professsing pentecostal churches who have no idea what it means to be born again. All they do is useless altar calls were they delude people to believe they are now born again and start trying to extort money from them. Being truely born again involves someone embrassing the full nature of christ which is based on loving God and our fellow humans, it however stresses that we can only love God whom we don't see if we love our fellow humans whom we see everyday. Soin essence love to God is displayed by love to people around us and this is the most important message in the gospel of our lord Jesus christ. Unfortunately the "church" which claims to be his own and represent him as missed the mark by a million million miles

1 John 4:7-21:

Loving One Another

7 Dear friends, let us continue to love one another, for love comes from God. Anyone who loves is a child of God and knows God. 8 But anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

9 God showed how much he loved us by sending his one and only Son into the world so that we might have eternal life through him. 10 This is real love—not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a sacrifice to take away our sins.

11 Dear friends, since God loved us that much, we surely ought to love each other. 12 No one has ever seen God. But if we love each other, God lives in us, and his love is brought to full expression in us.

13 And God has given us his Spirit as proof that we live in him and he in us. 14 Furthermore, we have seen with our own eyes and now testify that the Father sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 All who confess that Jesus is the Son of God have God living in them, and they live in God. 16 We know how much God loves us, and we have put our trust in his love.

God is love, and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them. 17 And as we live in God, our love grows more perfect. So we will not be afraid on the day of judgment, but we can face him with confidence because we live like Jesus here in this world.

18 Such love has no fear, because perfect love expels all fear. If we are afraid, it is for fear of punishment, and this shows that we have not fully experienced his perfect love. 19 We love each other because he loved us first.

20 If someone says, “I love God,” but hates a brother or sister, that person is a liar; for if we don’t love people we can see, how can we love God, whom we cannot see? 21 And he has given us this command: Those who love God must also love their brothers and sisters.

Traugott:
KunleOshob, take my word for it. viaro is NOT pilgrim. I know the guy outside NL and not only is he male, he is not an ex-muslim. Remain the blessed of God.

Maybe heshe is a transvestite, i won't be suprised cos she certainly posts like someone with twisted values and loose morals.

OLAADEGBU:
In any case, there will also be one entire generation of believers who will--like Enoch and Elijah--be caught up alive into heaven. "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven . . . and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air" (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).

As usual you display very poor understanding of biblical issues the word heaven in higlighted above is means sky from the original greek word it was written in and NOT God's residence. Christians would meet Jesus in the sky to welcome him but we would all come back to earth to reign with him.

Revelation 21:2-3:
2 And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
3 I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them.

What most people fail to realize is the earth we are on is a part of the Kingdom of God which is the promise we would inherit in eternal life. The kngdom of God is all around us it is not some where ethereal as the pulpit has mis-led us into believing

mabell:
@ viaro
This is one of KunleOshobi Many incosistencies. This was his defence in a thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-203250.0.html

There is nothing inconsistent in that statement you highlighted, if you didn't study english comprehension in secondary school i suggest you go back and demand a refund as the money paid for your education is obviously a complete waste.

viaro:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-203250.0.html


@mabell, well. . what can I say? I had wanted to believe very much that perhaps there was a possibility that he might've been misrepresented and his readers might not have understood him. So I tried to follow several of his posts, and wasn't convinced. . until today when he sealed it.

That said, I would not like to encourage the sad state of affairs that has resulted in this thread - and I acknowledge it is partly my fault. My apologies again. _{(there's someone around me that has thoroughly whipped me for letting down my guards at a crucial moment)}

Aunty if your poor intellect cannot comprehend what i have written in very simple english that is your personal problem. We both know i am quite conversant with your silly antics and you would never be able to box me into a corner no matter how much you try. I debate with children like you for sport and amusement your futile attempts to always try to prove you know anything are simply hilarious. So take note your pranks and twisted way of debating would not work with me. meanwhile you are yet to answer the question of exactly what was anulled in hebrews 7:18 it wouldn't hurt to answer that question in oone simple sentence would it

viaro:
Liars will always come back to show their inconsistency - and I've understood you to be captain of anti-tithing liars, no big deal. The record still stands, and there's nothing you can do to wipe it clean other than admit your error. I shall leave it again and let it be -

(a) Kunle said: {"Tithing started in mesopotamia"}

(b) viaro asked: {Please, could you show us your source for that statement - that tithing started in Mesopotamia?}

(c) Kunle replies: {I won't bother answering these question}

I understand why you won't answer the question - you saw your falsehood being exposed and you panicked. But as regards the direct denials you're waving here and there and saying two directly opposite things, here it is:

(a1) Kunle in the other thread: {"I never said tithing originated from mesopotamia"}

(a2) Kunle in this thread: {"Tithing started in mesopotamia"}


(b1) my observation in this thread:
Kunle denied saying that tithing originated from Mesopotamia:
{Besides all this, I saw the thread last night where she kept asking you again
and again about that same question and you dribbled tight here and there and
categorically DENIED asserting that tithing began in Mesopotamia}
~~ see (a1) above: {"I never said tithing originated from mesopotamia"}

(b2) my observation in this thread:
Kunle in this threads shows up asserting what he denied earlier:
{only to show up here again making the same assertion
{"Tithing started in mesopotamia"} which you once denied.}


So, please tell me the difference in your lying spree between these two:

(a) "I never said tithing originated from mesopotamia"

(b) "Tithing started in mesopotamia"

You can keep your gutless hypocrisy and slow poison, KunleOshob - that's what plays out many times in the way you argue. Never consistent, hastily jumping to conclusions, and then brazenly lying on top of everything. Well done!

How does that show that "TITHING STARTED IN MESOPOTAMIA" which you asserted here but deny in the other thread?

Common sense helps us see that lying between two posts is unhealthy - in the first you claimed never to have said tithing began in mesopotamia, now in this thread you asserted the very thing you once denied! What common sense is there in this cacophony?

Where do those evidence lead to your assertion that denies one thing and then acclaims the same thing in another as regards the origin of tithes?

@Pilgrim.1
I only stated that I did not say tithing began in mesopotamia" becos of your penchant to grab at trivialities and and make big arguments out of them whilstignoring the weightier matters of the subject being discussed so i made that consession to pull the rug off your legs and get you to disccus the weighteir matters i was emphasizing in that thread. I want to repeat for emphasis that from all the biblical and extra biblical evidence that we have, tithing did indeed start in mesopotamia several centuries before the Jewish civilization and it is of pagan origins, if you have any evidence to the contrary present it here now instead of grabbing at straws and playing with semantics so as not to expose your folly.

A story in Nigeria’s Sunday Sun concerning the Emmanuel TV Haiti Earthquake Relief team who are currently in Haiti with medical personnel and foodstuffs to assist the victims of the tragic earthquake and help in rebuilding the nation…

Synagogue opens field hospital in Haiti
• Plans to adopt 500 orphans

To give medical attention and succour to the wounded and children turned orphans by the devastating earthquake in Port-au-Prince, capital of Haiti, the Synagogue church last Sunday flew in a plane -load of medical and food supplies.

In partnership with some foreign charity organizations, the church with headquarters at Ikotun, a suburb in Lagos earlier dispatched an advance team last Saturday to the Caribbean Island. As reported by the church’s satellite television, Emmanuel tv, the advance team and the plane, a chattered cargo plane took off from Miami, Florida, U.S.A.


Haiti Earthquake devastation



The cargo plane with registration number N587 and Emmanuel TV boldly emblazoned on it in blue letters also had on board a team of doctors, nurses and sundry humanitarian workers.

Reporting live for Emmanuel TV, Gary Tange showed viewers the warehouse where the medical and food supplies were stock piled before being loaded aboard the cargo plane.


Haiti Earthquake Rescue



The owner of the plane who also pilots it, Tito Menedez was full of praise for Synagogue and the General Overseer of the church, pastor T.B. Joshua. As televised live last Sunday afternoon before the plane took off, Tito said: “I’m happy to be part of this private effort. Prophet T.B Joshua and Emmanuel TV are great.”

During the church service on Sunday afternoon, prophet Joshua explained why Synagogue is in Haiti, saying: “Haiti has given me sleepless nights. If it means selling my clothes, I’ll do it. We are going to take care of the wounded, the sick, the hungry. We will also adopt at least 500 orphans and take care of them there.”

Speaking to Sunday Sun on the corridor of the church immediately after the service, prophet Joshua further said, “I’m looking at a convenient time to join our team in Haiti. We and our partners want to help.”
He put the cost of the project at $3 million.
By Jossy Idam
Sunday, January 31, 2010

This is really exemplary and i belive the leadership of RCCG a much bigger church with far much more resources should take a cue from this rather than be gloating over the paltry $50,000 they sent [which they later asked their members to refund them]. Any church that claims to serve christ must make attending to the needs of the poor, homeless and needy a focal point of their ministry. That is the only way they can show they are truely serving him and not through lip service.

viaro:
It is okay if you won't answer the question - honestly, I didn't think you would, as I already know that anti-tithers are never open to discussions and never would answer simple questions. I don't remember discussing the origin of tithes with you even if you confuse me with pilgrim.1, but that's okay.

Besides all this, I saw the thread last night where she kept asking you again and again about that same question and you dribbled tight here and there and categorically DENIED asserting that tithing began in Mesopotamia - only to show up here again making the same assertion {"Tithing started in mesopotamia"} which you once denied. Why are you anti-tithers never consistent and LIE all through your Nairaland careers? Why is it that the only things that mark the way you discuss is shameless, gutless falsehood??

Does that link tell you that tithing STARTED IN Mesopotamia?

It's not a big deal, really. I just wanted to know the sort of person you truly are, since I had hopes of thinking you had been possibly misrepresented. But lying through your teeth again just deflates that hope - so you can keep confirming your falsehood and double-standards, for there's nothing further for me to add!

on the contrary you aree the one who is a pathological and chronic liar as i never denied that tithing starte from mesopotamia even in that link that you posted. I now understand why they say that common sense is not common. The first documented case of tithing was done by a man from mesopotamia [abraham] centuries before Israel came into existence, there are also independent records of pagan tithing traditions in the mesopotamia area at that time yet someone in her right senses is trying to deny the origins of tithing. It is clear that the baylonian civilization predates the jewish, it is also clear that they were practising tithing centuries before the Israelites even existed and we know for a fact that the Israelites roots through Abraham is also from babylon. does common sense not dictate that that they learnt tithing from their pagan babylonian ancestors That apart archaeological sources provides evidence that the summerian civilization [also from mesopotamia area] is the world oldest civilization and they practised tithing so common sense dictates that they must have originated it being the world's oldest civilization