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Olaadgbu would you stop spewing out this crap? there is absolutely NO way "fruit of the vine" would be described as better than mature alcoholic wine. Every one knows that wine gets better with age and any illeterate would tell you that wine that is not yet propely aged[fermented] is very poor quality wine and can NEVER be described as good wine. You really have a demonic passion for forcing your illogical and silly opinions into scripture.

OLAADEGBU:
But wine never becomes intoxicating until the decay process of fermentation has done its work. The wine He created was probably the same as "the fruit of the vine" that we shall drink "new" with Him in His "Father's kingdom" (Matthew 26:29). The Greek word oinos can apply either to the decayed, fermented liquid that intoxicates or to the healthful juice fresh off the grape vine, depending on context. And this wine He made was good wine, just as everything He had created was "very good" (Genesis 1:31) in that ultimate beginning of miracles when first He "created all things" (Revelation 4:11). HMM

Imagine you even used the word probably which indicates you are not even sure yet you have been arguing rubbish for weeks on this topic. You sincerely need to stop forcing your opinion into scripture the fact tht you don't like alcohol iss not enough reason for Jesus to disapprove of it.

SirJohn:
its over 12 months and counting and I still stand by my words: these men are charlatans, crooks and fraudsters

Sir John how now? how have you been? you have been missing on this forum for a while i am sure your brethen from CEC would have missed you dearly on the forum .

This is another slight on true christianity. If it was being practised, the poster would know that his church is supposed to assist him financially when he has genuine needs.

Just as i thought, oyakhilome's fraudulent nature must be genetic given how deep sitted it is and the ridiculous extent he goes to defraud christians.

@Prophet Olaadegbu
False prophets are all around us and they mostly abound in the pentecostal fold of which you are one of their customers. So stop trying to give the impression that it is just one false prophet as your copy and paste post is trying to imply. The bible warns us that there would be seeveral of them and they would be so cunning they would almost deceive the very elect [talkless of those that have no clue like you] {Matthew24} It as been predicted most people would be deceived so i am not suprised at what is happening in main stream christianity, it wa already foretold 2000 years ago.

OLAADEGBU:
Special Study

THE DECEPTIVE MIRACLE-WORKING FALSE PROPHET
Revelation 13:11-18

As the tyranny and oppression of political power will reach their climax in the great Tribulation, so will the deception and persecution of false religion. The Antichrist will be the political leader while the false prophet will be the religious leader. Revelation 13:1-10 reveals the rise of the first beast, the Antichrist, out of the sea, that is, out of the raging, tumultuous sea of chaotic humanity. This great final tyrant, the Antichrist, will rise to rule over the whole world with the authority and power of the dragon, the Devil. The second beast “comes up out of the earth” and he is identified as the false prophet (Revelation 16:13; 19:20; 20:10). The dragon, the first beast and the second beast, that is, Satan, the Antichrist and the False Prophet will work closely together during the great Tribulation. This unholy trio will try to counterfeit the Holy Trinity. The Dragon is Anti-God (Revelation 12:3,4,9), the first beast is Anti-Christ, the son of perdition (Revelation 13:4-7; 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4) and the second beast is Anti-Spirit (Revelation 13:11-15). Satan is the master counterfeiter — with a grand purpose and plan to deceive all men. The main function of the Holy Spirit is to direct praise to the person of Christ. The False Prophet’s major function is to direct the worship of the people to the Antichrist, who is the second person in the unholy trio.

1. THE DESCRIPTION AND PORTRAIT OF THE FALSE PROPHET
Revelation 13:11,12; Matthew 7:15; 2 Corinthians 11:13-15; Revelation 16:13,14; Daniel 8:3,4; Matthew 24:21-26; 1 John 2:18; 4:1.

“And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth.” Personal attributes are ascribed to “the Beast” — speaking, exercising power, influencing people, doing great wonders before people, and deceiving them that dwell on the earth. “And he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.” Looking like a lamb, he has the voice of a dragon. To deceive the world, he puts on the pleasing personality and calmness of a lamb, but in reality, has the nature and wickedness of Satan, the dragon. The False Prophet, like all false prophets before him, will be a great deceiver. He looks like a lamb. There will be a gentleness about him, a softness about him that is deceiving. Let us take note that he has two horns but the real Lamb of God is revealed as having seven horns — the fulness of the power of the Almighty (Revelation 5:6). The lamb-like false prophet is an imitation, a counterfeit, a deceiver. He imitates all of the things that are of the Lord “[color=#000099]and deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do[/color]” (Revelation 13:14). His “lying wonders” are used to force those who dwell on earth to worship the Antichrist (Revelation 13:12). All who are influenced by those miracles of the False Prophet are doomed and will be damned and sent to the lake of fire forever (Revelation 14:9-11; 19:20; 20:10).

2. DECEPTION THROUGH THE POWER OF THE FALSE PROPHET
Revelation 13:13-15; 16:13,14; Matthew 24:24; 7:15-23;
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12; Revelation 11:3-5; 16:1,2; 19:20; 20:10.

This end-time false prophet with a composite lamb-dragon appearance and nature had power. “He exerciseth all the power of the first beast.” “He had power to give life unto the image of the beast.” “He had power to do miracles in the sight of the beast.” “He doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.” The purpose of his miracles is not to deliver men from present and eternal suffering but to “deceive them that dwell on the earth” and “cause the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast.” The source of the power of the False Prophet is the dragon, the Devil. The purpose of his performing miracles is to make men irredeemable slaves, servants, worshippers of Satan and thereby make them suffer eternal punishment with Satan in hell-fire for ever.

The events of the thirteenth chapter of Revelation will take place at the mid-point of the seven years of the Tribulation. The events will not take place suddenly. There will be a gradual build-up for these events to transpire after the church is raptured and the Tribulation begins. Prophetic events cast their shadows before them. The False Prophet in Revelation chapter thirteen is the epitome of all the false prophets who have gone before him. Today, we need to be warned against false prophets who come with the personality and calmness of a lamb, but who speak and operate in the power of Satan. Beware, be not deceived.

3. THE DEMAND AND PERSECUTION BY THE FALSE PROPHET
Revelation 13:16-18; 14:9-13; 20:11-15; 15:2; 20:4; Proverbs 22:3; Hosea 14:9; Deuteronomy 32:29; Romans 8:17,18; Matthew 24:13.

“And he causeth ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.”

We are near the end of time and the stage is set for the Antichrist and his False Prophet. It is now possible to buy food and an assortment of other things without money, cheques or charge cards. Planting a chip in the hand or on the forehead, that is, giving a mark of identification in the right hand or in the forehead in order to buy or sell, is now possible. The vast possibilities in this age of information technology prepare the stage for the events of Revelation chapter thirteen.

The mark of the Beast indicates that the one wearing it is a worshipper of the Beast and that he submits to his rule. To be without the mark is to be labelled a traitor. The people who do not have the mark will be killed or starved to death because they will not be able to get the food and other things they need to stay alive. The people who do not have the mark of the Beast will suffer temporarily, but the people who get the mark of the Beast will also suffer — suffer eternally in the lake of fire (Revelation 13:15-17; 14:9-11). The number of the Beast is 666. The only sure way of escape is to be genuinely saved and live for Christ and endure till the end.

[quote author=Aloy`Emeka link=topic=334117.msg4686521#msg4686521 date=1254933827]If you pirate God's book eh. Don't say i didn't warn you. This one is not nolluwood movies. [/quote]Don't you people fear God anymore  how can you describe a book written by a cheap fraudulent hustler "God's book"? Just look at his filthy list of books he did not bother to even write one on the true gospel of christ which is about eternal life through salvation and belief in his teachings. he is busy twisting gosple and trying to force prosperity into it.

@rabzy
keep up the good work, i am solidly behind you it is actually more sinful to be deluded than to get drunk on alcohol.

OLAADEGBU:
A coveteous person transgresses the Tenth, First and Second Commandments. When he loves material things more than he loves God, he is setting his affections on the gift, rather than the Giver. What father wouldn't be grieved if his beloved child loved his toys more than the father who gave him the toys? A chilid should love his father first and foremost. He should love the giver more than the gift. If you love God you will know that He is the Giver of your life and all that you have, paying 10% to Him is in appreciation of His Gift, He gave the greatest gift of all; He gave His only begotten Son to whosoever will believe.

The bible makes it crystal clear that you cannot give God money in acts 17:
24 “He is the God who made the world and everything in it. Since he is Lord of heaven and earth, he doesn’t live in man-made temples, 25 and human hands can’t serve his needs—for he has no needs. He himself gives life and breath to everything, and he satisfies every need.
That apart it is your criminally inspired preachers that are greedy of covetousness since it is them that twist scriptures to extort 10% of people's income from them If your so called pastors truly loved God they would not be twisting his word for the sake of filthy lucre.

Sometimes i wonder if some people have any brains at all or they are just pre -programmed robots who are not capable of thinking beyond what they have been indoctrinated to believe. The topic asks if it is sinful to take alcohol? whilst there is no where in the bible that it is described as a sin and our ultimate example Jesus christ was documented as a wine drinker/ producer some people would still go to great lenghts to force the opinions of their pastors into the scriptures. Sometimes i wonder why God bothered to give some people brains when they have sworn NEVER to use it.

@zikkyy
I think you have managed to put the problem in proper perspective these naïve "christians" have been so totally brain washed by their gods of men that they would never accept that they are fraudulent or fallible, it would actually take the direct intervention of the holy spirit to let them know they have been led astray. It still beats my imagination why one would rather follow his pastor's twisted teaching to tithe rather than christ's direct teachings to take care of the poor and show love to others.

@olaadegbu
That is what you don't understand, it is the christ in me that is making me fight against the corruption of his word by fraudsters who claim to be representing him. Christ did the same when those who love profiteering from religion [many of them abound today] wanted to turn the temple then to a "den of robbers" the amazing thing is that the crooks have graduated from profiteering outside the temple to establishing their own "churches" and profiteering right inside the "church" today.

jagunlabi:
Yeah,but don't hold your breath that this is going to help popularise the christian doctrine,because there is nothing spiritual about christianity and it's dogma(s).

You would be shocked how much truth exists within christianity which is being ignored or suppressed by the main stream church. Forinstance, have you read the 'gospel of thomas'? If you haven't i think you should, it is very thought provoking especially the opening verses. The truth is that the christianity being practised today is not the same as the christianity established by the Jesus and the Apostles, that is why there is so much disconnect btw the 'church ' and true spirituality.

OLAADEGBU:
My mistake. I mistook Truth11 for you. I was surprised when I saw Truth11's post which was biblically sound and wondered what had happened to him that he is now singing a new tune. Now I have discovered that he is not the same as ttalk so I apologise to Truth11 for mistaken him for you. I would have been surprised if you had been the one making such sound understanding of scriptures.

I am not suprised you found it biblically sound after all he is finding a fault in kunleoshob's post. In as much as truth11 as given his point/opinion, he is not entirely correct. As you know evil thrives becos a few good men failed to speak up against it. I would not be a good christian if i see evil and corruption in the 'church' and i fail to speak up against it. Even if i am not a saint as we are all sinners. The important thing is to strive to do God's will as God is no respecter of persons especially your pastors. Also remember that when Jesus was here with us he constantly fought against the religious establishment who were doing exactly what our religious establishment are doing today, go figure it out.

@Poster
As abstract as your post is it actually makes a lot of sense and i believe is much closer to the truth than you can imagine, pointers to this truth are hidden all over the bible you just have to open your mind to realize it but then again there are still more questions than answers. But in my own understanding i would like to say that the earth is a testing ground for a more important and glorious role which God is preparing for those that would pass this earthly test. We as humans have to realise that for now the reality is beyond our comprehesion and we should just try to do his will as taught in the bible until God manifests himself either in this life or the great beyond. This is actually a very deep topic i guess i would stop here else i confuse or complicate issues. But one thing i would keep encouraging us all is constant studying and seeking of knowledge. I would live us with one scripture from the gospel of thomas, even though it was not cannonized by the catholic church [for whatever reason] other churches like the coptic, ethopian and other early orthodox churches cannonized it as part of their own bible. 

 [These are the secret sayings that the living Jesus spoke and Didymos Judas Thomas recorded.

1. And he said, "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death."

2. Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

3. Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you. ]

@Olabowale
You forgot to include the verses were mohammed divided the moon into two.

[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=332587.msg4664563#msg4664563 date=1254664584]He is exporting our blessings to America. Tell him we need him more at home.[/quote]Another deluded pastor worshiping mumu, is it Adeboye that blesses or God/ Jesus? Very soon some idiots would be saying america's economy is improving because Adeboye went to bless them there. I wonder why with all his annointing and several years of "blessing" Nigerians the economy is still in doldrums.

@Olaadegbu
Evidently you don't eve know what it truly means to a christ focused christian, you think that it is by being religious and dogmatic, in case you don't know this was one of the constant battles christ fought with the religious establishment {the pharisees} when he was here with us. He came to set the captives free, unfortunately your ilks are trying to put people back in bondagethrough you false doctrines. Actually i pity you and weep for you as it is not easy to to come to the knowledge of truth having been thoroughly brain washed for years {i was in your shoes before} but i thank God for revelation and having the opportuinty to know the truth. My thread on scrutinizing one's belief system was directed at people like you, you have the passion but you are only mis-directed. I suggest you put your version and understanding of "christianity" under a christ focused test and see if it hold through. Christianity is not dogmatism you are to test all things and hold fast to what is true and not just what your pasotr tells you.

Wow the unviverse is truly awesome and in effect that means it's creator is even more awesome. The sheer size of the universe testifies to the glory of the almighty creator God. No religion not even christianity can comprehend the glory of God and that is why these things were not recorded in the bible. Even if God told the biblical writers how would they record it if they can't comprehend it. Even scientist acknowledge that they know extremely very little. How do you expect biblical writers to even begin to give terminologies to the immense and unfathomable scale of the universe.

@olaadegbu
And if I may ask which are the other more important doctrines in the bible we relegated? You are the one who is guilty of ignoring the weightier matters of the law like love and instead focus on the obsolete aspects of it becos of your selfish greed and love for filthy lucre. One thing is certain though, God sees our hearts.

I really thank God for information technology and theresources it provides, very soon it would become very difficult for chalartans to twist scripture and force it down someone's throat cos every one wld have access to and knowledge of the truth.

@eazypizzy
Ain't know catch, have you read it in your bible or any credible source that lucifer=satan?

@olaadegbu
I don't know how you can confidently say that satan has been trying to corrupt the word of God thru the catholic church that God used to preserve it for us whilst you are actively in the business of actively corrupting his word daily on this forum. At least thousands of nairalanders can bear witness to that and the bible itself also testifies against you. My advice is you remove the log in your eyes b4 you remove the speck in the eye of others.

@rabzy
Don't bother with your questions image and his fellow cohorts hae been asked this and several other questions which point to the fact that alcohol consumption in christianity is NOT sinful, but they kep running from this glaring facts and binging silly insinuations that can be twisted to mean what ever they want it to mean. In image and Olaadegbu's brand of christianity, any ting unteisted is not acceptable to them. They only accept what their pastrs have twisted the scriptures to be saying and not the glaring truths there in.

OLAADEGBU:
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shall be no priest to me: seeing you have forgotten the law of your God. I will also forget your children. -- Hosea 4:6

Very intersting scripture, do you know how many christians are perishing today becos they don't know the simple truth about tithes as written in the bible. They allow ordinary men to twist scriptures and they have knowledge of only a distorted version of thebible. You would be shocked how much ignorances exists in the church today amongst "christians" and how church leaders are exploiting this ignorance.

@gentleidiot
Lets even assume becos of your deluded peanut sized brain that there are two types of tithes in the bible, is there any instruction in the bible to practise abraham's tithes to the Jews talkless of believeres who were nevere asked to tithe any type of tithes. It is pure 419 for any preacher to askanyone to tithe based on Abraham's one of example that he did of his on volition and not under any instruction from God. There is also no instruction to his descendants to repeat this his one off practise. Also the how does the tithe of cummin, mint and herbs[agricultural produce of the land] that Jesus spoke about to the pharisees have any semblance with the criminalized version of tithes from money or income which crooks preach today. Unto whose authority did they twist pruduce to mean money? Even the pharisses did not tithe of their money and they were the most "holy" in those days. That is apart from the fact that tithing is not applicable to christians as we have proven several times on this forum. I am still waiting for the "inspired" teacher that would come and twist why tithes as explained and practised in deut 14:22-29 was discontnued for our modern day version that as no semblance with the defunct biblical version.

OLAADEGBU:
2 Timothy 4:3-4 declares, “For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.”

Sometimes i wonder if you are really human or just a pre- programmed pentecostal response device who is not capable of reasoning as it is very obvious that you just stick to and pew out all the rubbish being re-gurgigtated by pentecostal charlatans. The above scripture you quoted did you read and understand it at all which group of christians preach what is not sound doctrine that people want to hear[prosperity gospel] is it not your deluded penterascal sect? Which group twist the scriptures the most [whilst claiming holy spirit knowledge] for the sake of filthy lucre. O boy go and get a mirror and do some serious soul searching as your pentecostal sect is not better than the catholic church which you seek to discredit. The catholic church made their mistakes in the past and have made attempts to correct heir errors, but you pentecostal are just are pack of clowns. Go and read the epistles and the book of Acts well, is the christianity you practise in anyway similar to the standards set by the apostles? It is an undisputable fact that the catholic church cannonized the bible and most western churches[including the one you attend] roots are traceable back to the catholic church. I know you have a penchant for twisting facts when it does not fit with your hallucinations, that is certainly not a hallmark of a true christian.

If mohammed is all that you claim above, apart from the fact that he personally led several wars/battles were many people must have been massacred is teachings today continue to inspire millions of terrorist and evil minded people who are ready to kill their fellow human beings based on his teachings. I would stop here for now i don't need to go into the moral issues of his multiple wives concubines and undersaged sex well documented in your koran and haddiths.

@Atheists
As you claim not to bleieve in God or the bible, why should it bother you what the bible says or whether lucifer is satan or the devil? Anyway as you are obviously unaware the book of enoch is not cannonized as part of the bible and the only place in the bible that lucifer was mentioned is in the book of Isaiah which says thus: 1.Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

If the whole chapter is read well in proper context, it seems the name lucifer was being used to refer to the king of Babylon and not the devil or satan as you rightly claimed earlier. The book of enoch is another very interesting account,, i ofte wonder why it was not cannonized as some of the stories there shed more light on other biblical stories especially the book of genesis.

opsydudu:
well for all of you that have condemn any act of paying tithes, offering, seed sowing and the pastors. I pray that God forgives all of una, at least people are not paying by force but out of their stupidness while it work for some, it doesn't for the rest. Well we leave that to God to judge when the time comes, as for now keep your eyes wide open and think with your brain, that should not give any reason to condemn Christianity and their offering. You give solely to God and leave the rest for men to carry out their selfish intentions.

The highlighted above is were the problem is, becos of selfish and greedy reasons preachers have twisted christian giving/ giving to God to mean giving to them as they are representing God, how laughable and insulting on the almighty. The bible makes it clear we cannot not give to God {acts 17:24-25} we can only give to support the ministry. Also the only biblically christian recommended way for giving to God in the bible is by giving to the poor [matthew 25:31-40]. Whilst some of us are not opposed to giving freelly [not out of compulsion] to support the preachiing of the gospel, we vehemently oppose the twisting of the word becos of the love for filthy lucre which as now been established in most of our so called churches.

I guess our "christians" today are now wiser than Jesus who used to consume alcoholic wine.

@bidem12
So because I don't believe in the false twisted and criminally inspired man made doctrine practised in some churches today in the name of tithes I am now an atheist? Does the tithing practised today have any semblance with the obsolete one instructed in the bible? You make me laugh in spiritual tongues.

@Image
I would live you to your delusions, you are too thoroughly brainwshed and dogmatic to make any sense of christian issues that does not emanate from your deluded pentecostal movement.