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Pilgrim.1 has come again with her wahala i don't think i am ready to be worn out again running round in circles.

[quote author=m_nwankwo link=topic=335826.msg4717635#msg4717635 date=1255351469]I am not sure that Deepsight and other discussants understand what Pastor AIO is saying. The human words and concepts are so limited that when Pastor AIO clothes experential spirituality with words, discusants seem to understand the forms (concepts, words etc) but not the eternal reality that to me is very self evident in Pastor AIO replies. Just an example. Pastor AIO was asked by someone whether is is posssible to be saved without knowing Jesus Christ even though the person have been practing true love. Pastor AIO answered with a question "how come that such a person practice true love?" (put in my own words). On the surface it may appear that Pastor AIO did not answer the question but in my view he answered it in very few short words. Pastor AIO can correct me if that is not what he meant but what I understand him to say it that[b] he who practices genuine love already have Christ for there can be no genuine love without Christ and no Christ without genuine love. Thus if Mahatma Gandi practiced true love, then he knows Christ even if he was not a "christian" in an earthly sense.[/b] I will allow PastorAIO to answer Chris question on what he meant by "right thing" and if two or more peaple that have access to the "right thing" will agree if each person is to give form to the "right thing". Cheers.[/quote][size=24pt]^GBAM!!! [/size] The highlighted above is what a lot of people find difficulty in coming to terms with. It's so simple yet so confusing. I guess the problem is religious dogmatism and over zealousness on the part of adherents right from the time the biblical texts were being written. More to come whilst i eagerly await pastor's confirmation or rejection of m_nwanko's submission.

verycute:
KunleOshodi is a hater. we will commit his body to satan and save his soul.

Thanx for the compliment, i hate all that is evil and is not of God.

martinosi:
Stop being a hater !!!
You know the man is A God Send to help the [b]Nigerian Nation Spiritually
and Economically!!![/b]ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS,
Before you defame a man at least Look at his works,

Help this nation economically I am sure you meant help himself economically. As you said action speaks louder than words. After almost thirty years of his ministry the nation he was sent to "help" remains in abject poverty whilst the man is using his second [perhaps third] private jet and his business empire funded by church collections is booming. The man that was sent to help this nation economically cannot even assit the poor's children by offering them scholarship in his universities built from poor peoples offerings in the first instance. I am sure apostle Paul had the likes of Bishop Oledepo in mind when he was writting the passge below:
Philippians 3:17-19:
17Brethren, together follow my example and observe those who live after the pattern we have set for you.
18For there are many, of whom I have often told you and now tell you even with tears, who walk (live) as enemies of the cross of Christ (the Anointed One).

19They are doomed and their [a]fate is eternal misery (perdition); their god is their stomach (their appetites, their sensuality) and they glory in their shame, siding with earthly things and being of their party.

@fyneguy
i actually sympathize with you and other hostages at CEC plc a lot given the level and height of brainwashing that goes on there skillfully and cunningly delivered to you by the master con artist himself, but then again i take solace in the scriptures that as already predicted that many would be deceived in the name of Jesus: [ Matthew 24:4-5: 4 Jesus told them, “Don’t let anyone mislead you, 5 for many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the annointed.’ They will deceive many] You may decide to turn your ears from the truth but one thing is that all my so called false teachings are backed 100% by the bible also that apart unlike your pastor i derive no personal benefit from telling you and others to keep Jesus greatest commandments which is love. I have not come to this forum to solicit one kobo from anyone neither have i asked for tithe, offerings or seed sowing. I write not for personal benefit but beocs of my desire to spread to true gospel of our lord Jesus christ in it's undiluted form. Yes i admit some times i am intolerant of opposing views this is becos of the anger i feel for the pervertion of the true gospel by many charlatans who claim to serve him today yet they don't meet up to biblical standards and are evidently more interested in their pockets than the true teachings of christ. We as christians need to wake up and decide whether we want to serve christ or we want to serve our pastors. we should be able to stand for the truth becos before God we are all equal. Your pastors no matter how important they want to make them selves feel are not more important to God than the muslim dis-abled beggar on the streets whom as christians we are even charged to assist.

fyneguy:
False prophet Kunle
Who posted the quote below?
Having love for others is not a condition PRECEDENT to being born again!

At this this i am compelled to address your ignorance in proper perspective. The phrase "born again" is used only twice in the bible once in the book of John and secondly in one of peter's epistles. The problem is that the pentecostal movement have adopted this phrase andran with it without sitting down to understand what it really means. The meaning can only be appreciated wihin the wider concept of Jesus ministry and teachings. It is worthry of note that when when the apostles were spread christianity to the thessalonians, corinthians, hebrews, Galatians, ephesians, colossians e.t.c they never used the term "born again" rather they preach belief in the gospel of Jesus and love for each other and they addressed themselves as believers not "born agains". Today terminologies have changed especially in the pentecostal movement that loves brandishing that term whilst conviniently trying to ignore the true christian message which can not be divorced from what was termed as "Born again" by the master himself. Whilst i might have mis-represented my self by using the term "condition precedent" i remain resolute in my submission that a true believer [some call it born again] must exhibit the fruits of the holy spirit chief of which is love. If this is missing one cannot truely claim to have new life in Jesus as you are not keeping his greatest commandments which he also said would distinguish his followers from other.
John 13:34-35:
34 So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other. 35 Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples.”

@chukwudi
But by now I am sure you know that tithing as it is practised today is NOT a religious doctrine but a man made scam. It is really instructive that the jews whom it was directed to no longer practise this obsolete doctrine, yet our "holy" con men whom it was never directed to insist that it is compulsary.

I just love the internet, only a complete mumu can claim ignorance at this day and age.

vanni:
,

MY ENEMIES ARE NOW DEAD ALL 3 OF THEM WHO SWORE THAT I WOULD NEVER MAKE IT IN LIFE

You can call the police if you like

I am sorry to have bothered you, i was assuming you wee a christian.

@Olaadegbu
It's refreshing that the two of us can agree on a topic when were are not bickering over "tithes" and "false prophets" well as christians we have to continuosly seek him and strive to do his will. Yes i agree with you that the principles of hte ten commandments remain in force today but how do you reconcile the commandment of the sabbath which is described as a day of rest [Not worship] that most christians don't observe today. Would do say we are guilty of not keeping the commandment? Please note that biblically attending church service on sunday or even saturday is not a fulfillment of this commandment. As the bible makes it clear it is a day of rest and NOT a day of worship. Please note that i am not saying it is wrong to worship on those days what i am just trying to emphasize is that worshipping on those days does not fufill those commandments.

vanni:
I REJOICE THIS DAY COS MY ENEMIES ARE NOW DEAD

I love Jesus

What is the meaning of this? Are you trying to mock Jesus?

vanni:
Well it is too late, THEY ARE ALREADY DEAD

I repeat again if anymore joins the death senctence leaguse, i will continue to read Psalm 34 FOR THEM

By the way, we are 2 individuals we dont have to AGREE

Well true biblical christianity is NOt an opinion people can agree on, it is either you accept christ's teaching[and by extention making him your lord and saviour] or you don't.

manmustwac:
I agree with you Kunle. I have deleted a lot of his quranic verses that has nothing to do with the subject matter that he posts. And he knows this.

Well that is nice to know but i think he deserves a ban as he as flouted more than enough rules of this forum.

And i repeat is that what christ taught? Are you to follow the examples of David or the teachings of christ What do you think christianity is about? Are you not aware that old things passed away and all things become new after the death of christ. If you insist on doing tings the old way it means that the gospel of christ is in vain in your life, i am sure you would not want it so but you are in danger of that. The old testament tauht eye for an eye and the newtestament taught us to forgive our enemies . You also stand the danger of being caught off the grace of christ if you hold on to the old testament teaching[Galatians 5:4] If you want to practise the jewish religion of the old testament why do you then masquerade yourself as a christian?

Horus:
I just quoted what YOU said (below), your own words.
I have a dislike for belief, I like Facts, if you dont like the word "paleman" or if you consider it derigatory, so what?
Their skin is pale, this is a Fact. I am not here to please anybody, I am here to give Facts. If their skin is pale, this just mean that they have a pale skin, so what?. Fact is Fact.

My brother lets not personalize issues and derail the thread what i was trying to hint at is that your posts betray you as smeone who believes in black sumpremacy[i maybe wrong but that is the impression you give] as such it taints your post as that of a biased person working towards a preconceived agenda. This reduces the credibility and objectiveness of your posts and connotes the idea that you are pursing another agenda different from what the thread is about.

ANd when did i write that an exhibiton of love makes one born again  i made it clear that one one of the fruits of a born again person is genuine christlike love to others or don't you understand simple english. Anyway i don't expect much from a disciple of pastor chris who is not even saved himself.

PS: how was service today? how much was your pastor able to scam out of your pocket

martinosi:
PASTOR(S) THAT ARE MAKING AN IMPACT IN NIGERIAN THAT NO ONE CAN DENY -
PASTOR DAVID OYEDEPO

IMPACT -

UNIVERSITY

SECONDARY SCHOOL

PRIMARY SCHOOL

CO-OPERATIVE BANK

PUBLISHING HOUSE

TRANSPORT SERVICES

CONFERENCE/SEMINAR CENTRES

WORLD MISSION AGENCY - SUPPLYING FOOD & PROVISIONS OF RELIEF TO CONGO, BURUNDI, RWANDA
ETHIOPIA ETC

SOON COMING -

UNIVERSITY OF AGRICULTURE,

NUFF SAID,

WARNING - UNTILL ANYONE OF YOU HAVE EVEN DONE A QUARTER OF WHAT
THIS MAN HAS DONE, DONT EVEN TRY AND CRITISE HIM , NUFF SAID!!!

Yeah your bishop is truly top business tycoon, i think it would be better we rank him amongst the top businesscon men in this country as well.

vanni:
Today all my enemies shall meet with death sentence in Jesus name

AMEN!

Is this the type of christianity practised in your sect? Whatever happened to christ's directives that you should love your enemies even it it is difficult for you to love them does that warrant you use the name of a loving and forgiving Jesus in a curse for death to others. Do you guys read the bible at all or you just rely on Oledepo's books for doctrine.

Gamine:
um huh,
So them don already deliver, sharp sharp.
it is well

what do you mean don't you know that God can fast track things for his "annointed"

@Manmustwac
I really think you should do something about this Abuzola fellow, his posts are not only very offensive to christians he keeps spamming virtually every thread in this section with irrelevant hubris.

Image123:
The OT says kings should not drink wine,it also says priests should not drink wine. It says wine should not be brought into the temple for drinking. How does that apply to us as NT believers. We're today's priests and kings,so says the Bible. It is not for kings to drink wine, leave it for the people who are ready to perish. We are the temple of God,wine shouldn't come into that temple for recreation purposes. (N.B the above wines refer to fermented wine not non.alcoholic wine)
Proverbs 14v15 says the simple/foolish believe everything,but the prudent looks well to his going. Proverbs 22v3 says the prudent man foresees the evil(AT LAST) and hides himself. The simple continues and are punished.

Is this the new twist to the issue your pastor taught you in church today i laugh in spiritual tongues did you remember to ask him why Jesus was accused of getting drunk from drinking grape juice?

Horus:
@KunleOshob
1- When did I said that our ancestors are superior?

I never said you said our ancestors are superior

2- Why talking about african culture and science or the annunagis is considered as racism and hatred by you?

I do not consider talking about the topic racism, however in a lot of your posts you display a lot of dislike for the caucasian race, even in your earlier post today you still referred to them as "paleman" which is a derigatory term.

If i am permitted let me give my opinion on pastor's positon. In my understanding pastor has been able to differentiate between religion[which is man made] and true biblical christianity. However in trying to express himself he seems to contradict himself because there are so many man made doctrines in christianity today which many people assume to be biblical facts, the truth is that he is fairly consistent and you need to be able to think outside the box of the "religion" which are essentially church instituitinalized doctrines to be able to understand his position better.

This should make intersting reading on the subject.

Hell
A Tool of Oppression

The Church View: It is represented by the church to mean a place of eternal, fiery torture for those who don't believe in the Christ as Saviour, and in extreme cases, those who question the authority of the church. This obviously means that the majority of humanity is destined for eternal, fiery torture. Not very fair for a loving and forgiving God, but then the church does not seem to deeply embrace fairness or forgiveness. A vengeful and unforgiving God more suits a pulpit that spews eternal, fiery condemnations for everything from style of dress to political affiliation as a matter of standard practice. Hell also fulfills the strongest motivational force for the church in its arsenal of flock control, fear. There are no statistics on how many people attend church, not out of belief in God, but more out of conditioned fear of a fiery torture. It would be a good bet that if fear of hell were eliminated, church revenues would drastically shrink.

The Bible View:
In most instances "hell" is translated from words which mean a hole in the ground into which bodies are placed after death. Other instances leave it highly unlikely that hell is a place exclusively created for the eternal torture of unbelievers.

Of all biblical concepts, hell is one of the most mysterious and feared. The word "hell" appears 54 times in the Bible, 30 times in the Old Testament, 24 in the New Testament. In the Old Testament, hell is taken from the word, Sh'owl, pronounced sheh-ole' or Sh'ol; Hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), Sheol, including its accessories and inmates: KJV--grave, hell, pit. It is interchangeable with the word grave or a pit. Basically, hell is a hole in the ground where bodies are buried. A thorough study of its appearance in Old Testament scripture will show it is not referred to as place of eternal fiery damnation.

In the New Testament it is taken from three words. First, we will examine the one from which the fiery place of eternal torture, so often associated with this word, is taken, Ghenna. It may surprise many to realize that we actually know where this place is, not an ethereal place where Satan dwells, but actually the Jerusalem city dump.
The word is Geena, pronounced gheh'-en-nah of Hebrew origin; valley of the son of Hinnom; ge-henna, or Ge-Hinnom, a valley of Jerusalem, used figuratively as a name for the place or state of everlasting punishment:
The actual place referred to is Hinnom, a deep, narrow ravine separating Mount Zion from the so-called "Hill of Evil Counsel" to the southwest of Jerusalem.

source: http://www.bibleufo.com/hell.htm

@ttalks
I agree with you that the concept of hell in the bible is misunderstood, this i believe to be as a result of poor translation of biblical texts. The hebrew word made to depict hell actually means "land of the dead" whilst the greek word translated to hell is actually a physical place outside of Jerusalem were a fire was burning perpetually and denoted as an evil place. However an incursion into Strong's bible concordance also indicates a figurative use of the word hell to mean a place of damnation

The truth is that man can never fully comprehend nor understand God. The biblical writters wrote their accounts in their understanding which would have been very limited as at the time they were alive, that aprt it is quite evident that there is a lot which God is yet to reveal to mankind.

@Horus
But even western education acknowledges that the first men came out of Africa, east africa to be precise. There is even DNA evidence to support this. The west as never claimed to be the source of creation even the western religion christianity which they brought to us originated from the middle east which as closer historical links to Africa than the west. I know it is a good feeling to feel that our ancestors were superior to theirs but the truth is that we are all one and the same genetically and we are all descended from the same source. However we must admit that somewhere along the line the cuacasians became more developed than their Negroid counterparts even though they descended from them. It is my understanding that they developed ahead of us becuase of the challenges they faced in their environment which made them to constantly look for better ways to live unlike we Africans that were resident in a very comfortable part of the earth and we didn't need to stress ourselves thus living us in our comfort zone. That aside i believe by nature, the cuacasians are more inquisitive than us hence their penchance for research which leads to development and the other hands we Africans are more supersticious and instead of researching what we don't understand we explain everything away to be supernatural.

It is a genetically proven fact that caucasians and mongoloids are descendants of Negroids and that makes us the alpha race but then agaiin does that make us more superior? I think not.

Nimshi:
Bishop Oyedepo announced that his ministry acquired two properties in the Lagos area worht about N600,000,000; that was a few weeks ago.

How about helping the abjectly poor in his ministry?

How about increasing scholarships to the needy in the ministry for their children to attend Covenant University?

Priorities misplaced.

Oyedepo is NOT a christian but an unscroupulous business who is using christianity to promote his private empire.

Tittee:
U guy should try as-much as possible to behave maturely,Nominating Pastors should not bring about abuses,but for me NA ONLY GOD FIT SABI THE PERSON WEY DEY SERVE HAM every one of u are just trying to meet up to d standard of God.Pastors na man like uuuuuu.[color=#000099][/color]

You don't get it, don't you know that pastor worship is one of their doctrines in the pentecostal movement.

Chiddysville:
pls i've been troubled by this issue of tithing. pls is there a place Jesus paid tithe in the bible? if there is, who did He pay it to and how many times?
what happens to free will giving if is compulsory?
what happens to the widows, the poor, the orphans and the strangers in our midst that we are supposed to cater for?
if tithing is compulsory, then are christians expected to pay tax to the authorities and still expected to cater for the less priviledged without indulging in corrupt acts?
from the post i read here, it seems some people pays tithe because they seek blessing from God. is tithe an act to bribe God for blessings or an act of thanksgiving freely giving?
Can we really bribe God?

There is nothing to be worried about my brother, tithing is NOT a christian requirement as their is no directive at christians in the bible to tithe. Tithes as it obtains today in churches is a mordern day invention arived at by remixing and distorting some aspects of the obsolete Jewish laws in the old testament that are not applicable to christians in the first instance.

manmustwac:
It dosen't take faith it takes good reasoning and logic. Someone who can think outside the box

If my posts on this forum are anything to go by you would realize i am a christian who thinks outside the box. Whilst it is pardonable for one not to believe in relgion, it is unfathomable why anyone would believe there is no creator and it takes an extreme level of faith to hold on to that delusion.

Bellhod:
You will find out the truth soon , no need to discredit "Horus" he is closest to the truth than all of you. Ask yourself the basic why questions. The simple reason for everything you have ever doubted or questioned its there. Your mind must be open and clear for Mental & Spiritual reasoning to receive the answers. Lets test this out! There's no particular order of meaning if you can't understand , Stay away from this topic that will develop.

In as much as horus might be close to the truth, is it this truth that turned him into a racist He has a racist agenda which beclouds his objectivity when discussing issues.

@Post
I agree it actually takes more faith to the point of extreme delusion to believe there is no God and everything happened by accident.