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I am still restraining myself from commenting whilst i amuse myself with pilgrim.1's "skillfull" attempts at biblical and doctrinal gymnastics.

@Noetic
Kindly answer this question: How do you show love to God whom you can't see? And whilst you are it kindly meditate over the passage below which deepsight spoke off earlier. Please read it in proper context. What does it really say?

Matthew 25:31-40:

The Final Judgment
31 “But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit upon his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered in his presence, and he will separate the people as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will place the sheep at his right hand and the goats at his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. 36 I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’
37 “Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? 39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’
40 “And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!’

noetic15:
I willingly obliged this "interview" cos I saw his post like an enquiry form a point of quandary. . . . . .that opinion has not changed and he has not asked or said anything to provoke thoughts.

If however u think there is an underlying importance or message in his post that I am missing. . . .please feel free to post such here and educate my ignorance.
As for the thread u linked here. . .I had rather stay out of it.

My brother i honestly do appreciate your passion and zeal for the christian religion [I use the word religion cause i am not sure you understand what the christian faith is]. However it would just be in vain if you don't have a deep sitted understanding of the true gospel of our lord Jesus christ. If you truly read the bible with understanding devoid of indoctrination and a very open mind you would begin to see a bigger picture. If you think that christianity is just about believing Jesus Christ is the son of God and accepting him as lord over your life, you would be having a very shallow understanding of his Gospel. True christianity is about living a christ like life which is exemplified by LOVE. And not religious dogmatism. Belief in Jesus means belief in his teachings and is not limited to believing he is the son of God. Actually this topic is very deep and justice can not be done to it on the pages of the internet, that apart it is a personal journey one must take to have true knowledge and understanding of his gospel.

Your decision to stay out of the thread i reffered you to suggests that you are not very sure of your beleifs but would rather hold on dogmatically to it. As such you would rather avoid a thread that would make you question your beliefs. The truth is that God's is not deceived and dogma doesn't do it for God. You have to earnestly seek him, understand his message and live by it before you can truely claim to be a beleiver.

noetic15:
1. how did the illiterate accept the gospel[b]?[/b]. . . . .did he understand what he was accepting[b]?.[/b]
My point is . . . . what does it mean to be an "illiterate" in this context[b]?. [/b] . . . . I honestly dont understand. . . . .why dont u help me[b]?[/b]
2. when did theological arguments become the basis of deciphering the truth of the gospel[b]?[/b] . . .where did u get that from[b]?[/b]study your bible and pray. . . . . .and He will continue to teach and guide u through His spirit. . . . . . .that was all Jesus said.
3. and why do u, a deist, call urself a pastor[b]? [/b] . . . is that not FRAUD[b]?[/b]what is this? . . .is this an organised collision or what[b]?[/b]. . . .I expected better from u.

Just as i thought typical of Noetic to be answering questions with even more questions And whilst you are at it could you kindly show us from scriptures were Jesus said we should study the bible as i happen to be aware the bible was not compiled until almost 300 years after his ressurection.

donnie:
Now you are even more confused. . . So where did you get your salvation? From pastor AIO's post?

Salvation is not about 'brains' or 'rhetoric questions'. . . it is of the heart. . .to those who have been called, chosen and appointed from the foundation of the world by God Himself, to hear and recieve the message (bearing in mind that some have been set aside as vessels unto destruction).

No true christian after seeing your posts will go into spiritual talk with you. . . You do not have what it takes. You are in dire need of salvation my friend. That first! No amount of bible quoting or scripture twisting can replace that fact.

True conversion is the result of the intercessory prayers of the saints. Otherwise, all our works are empty and will not count in heaven.

When we pray and interceed for the lost, people come to know the Lord in Spirit and in truth. Salvation is the result of the Power of the Holy ghost moving over man's soul, bringing him into acceptance of the Lordship of Jesus over his/ her life andgiving him a new heart/ spirit. It is not by arguement so stop trying to think of the best tacktics to use to qualify yourself as saved. . .You do not argue your way into the kingdom. You are brought in by the power of the Holy Ghost.

At this point i would sign off this thread and live you goons to your delusions as only Jesus can save. ignorance is truly a very terrible and chronic deasease.

Deep Sight:
^^^ Good, so we can conclude, that you are now officially the second Deist on Nairaland (or actually the first, since you pre-date me)

We must celebrate this.

_{Don't worry, these days there is even Christian Deism.}

It must be really lonely being the only deist on Nairaland hence your attempt to co-opt another "believer"

Deep Sight:
Noetic, are you running away?

Maybe you are beginning to shake his belief system, hence he runs away less he looses his faith.

@Noetic
I am sure you would agree with me that deepsight has been able to provoke your thoughts and stimulated you to ask questions that your rigid belief sytem cannot answer. Christianity is not that rigid neither is it dogmatic, you only need to open your mind and he truth would be revealed to you. It was for such reasons i opened this thread : https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-327616.0.html to provoke people to seek a better understanding of what they believe in.

And why would anybody want to have multiple sex partners in paradise? Is paradise supposed to be one big orgy?

@Pastor
Nice questions, let's see noetic wriggle his way out of this one.

fyneguy:
I think Kunle should bury his head in shame.

If he's so ignorant of the foundational aspect of christianity- being born again- I wonder why anyone should listen to him on deeper matters of Faith.

You are really very daft if you had read through my thread on being "born again" you would realize that the question is a rhetoric question meant to encourage christians to have a deeper understanding of what it means to be born again. Unfortunately that term as become all most meaningless today becos of the antics of people like your pastor who deceives people into belieiving that they are born again just becos they said one silly meaningless prayer that does not connect deeply within the persons spirit and the only change is that the person becomes more religious on the outside whilst his spirit man remains the same. If you had any brains at all and you are capable of learning you should have picked a thing or two from the thread even if you cannot fully comprehend it[ i know that you have been thoroughly brainwashed in that cult you attend].

donnie:
The blind leading the blind. , both shall fall into the pit.

It would have been more beneficial to me and other NL readers if you pointed out errors in my submissions or the one pastorAIO posted rather than just posting baseless shallow comments.

@PastorAIO/Deep sight
What do you make of this quote extracted from the "gospel of Thomas" attributable to Jesus:

1. And he said, "Whoever discovers the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death."

2. Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

3. Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

noetic15:
A diluted version of the gospel is appealing to a helpless atheist . . . . , its a narrow road and only FEW find it. . . .Jesus said so and not me.

Has it ever occured to you that the the over 2 billion adherents of popular christianity world wide cannot possibly be on that narrow road only very few would find? As it occured to you that even this very few[the very elect] are also in grave danger of being deceived? As it occured to you that there is a great deal of deception and mis-representaion being circulated in churches today? As it even occured to you that there are some deeper truths in the bible being obscured by main stream christianity today. I am sorry my brther but popular christianity [i.e pentecostal movement and other denominations] cannot possibly be on that narrow road.

Pastor AIO, Thanx for your contribution via the previous post. Absolutely smashing, simply spot on. It certainly puts things in clearer perspective and i do sincerely hope other nairaland 'christians' would read understand and benefit from it. 

The thread keeps getting more and more interesting, some deeper truths are being revealed in this thread but i am sure most readers would miss it. I would take a back seat and keep learning.

TV01:
hmmmmmmmmmm Pilly!

Ahh!!!!!! TV01, nice to see your post, how have you been? You can see your friend is back to harrass us whilst continously twisting scripture to promote her tithing agenda. I really wonder what keeps her going.

@banom
You don go register as playboy* again Na real wa oh!

Zikkyy:
It appears the Tonye-t has gotten hold of some ancient scroll that provides detailed info on the origin of tithe.

He most certainly has

Dis tudor no go kill me o

Matthew 24:9-13:
9 “Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You [kunleoshob]will be hated all over the world because you are my followers. 10 And many will turn away from me and betray and hate each other. 11 And many false prophets will appear and will deceive many people[including verycute]. 12 Sin will be rampant everywhere, and the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

Christianity is neither a bed of roses or a feel good religion my dear, i understand your case, the bible already predicted you would be deceived.

@jagunlabi
Where did you get all these heretic heresies from that god is a demon that feeds on energy sources realeased during prayer and praises. I thought you were a rational kind of guy.

What you don't realize is that it is the spirit of deluded lost souls like yours that we are trying to save by showing people what the scriptures say and warn us about in it's undiluted form rightly divided. Also we are establishing that God is no respecter of man so don't think that becos your pastors bishops and G.Os have made a name for themselves and are vey popular before men that they are infallible. If i were you iwould open my mind and study the word more like the berean christians to see if what we are saying on this forum is true. Remember faith in your pastor would not ge you to heaven, in fact there is no guarantee that even your pastor is saved judging from the kind of teachings he as been teaching your likes.

@pilgrim.1
I have deliberately refused to join issues with you on this thread as experience as shown me that even though you know the truth on this issue you would rather stand the truth on it's head whilst holdng on to your position for reasons best known to you. And your strategy of running round in circles grasping at straws and using semantics is at best dis-honest. It still beats me why a bible beleivng christianwith the fear of God in her heart would find it convinient to tolerate falsehood and outright deception in the church of christ. Just becos some pastors who are just messengers have decided to distort the truth. Just remember that these pastors are just mere men and in the sight of God they are no more important than even an unbeliever.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=307798.msg4723060#msg4723060 date=1255425167]@Chukwudi44,


[li] Tithing never originated from the mosaic law hence it must not adhere to the pattern of the mosaic law[/li]

[li] The basic origin of tithing was simply TO RENDER ONE-TENTH of one's income/profit, there its regardless if it is done everyday/everyweek/everymonth/everyyear[/li][/quote]Which bible did you get this fallacy from the only two examples of tithes in the bible b4 the law are that of Abraham's one off tithes of war booty {not from his income or personal wealth} and Jacob's conditional promise to tithe if God blessed him first. How did you manage to twist these occurences to mean income or profit?

All scripture is given by God and is profitable for REPROOF

Hebrews 7:18 describes tithing as unprofitable

KunleOshod will say i have twisted scriptures again, well not my fault maybe i study the scriptures you know but as one who eats hard bone and not milk suckers

I don't have to say that as you have already confessed to twisting it and that is probably why you couldn't post one single scripture in proper context to back your fallacies

ttalks:
The portion of the bible u used to drive home your point was dealing with a situation of fornication among the brethren.
What Kunle is doing is not any where close to fornication. Neither is it evil as u insinuate.
he is only pointing out obvious errors and deceit that u can't see becauase u are biased towards the person or persons in question.

verycute:
I am talking of the punishment for evil doing and not fornication. Thats how you people misinterprete everything and talk down on other people. Its bad. My position is that u see good in other people, so that others will also see it in you. Lets celebrate our people who are making progress in every area of life.

@ttalks
Do you blame them? You know these people have been well trained in the art of quoting scripture out of context and twisting it to reach a pre-conceived end whilst they flagarantly ignore rightly divided scripture that speaks against their false man made doctrines.

ttalks:
Tit 1:7-13
(7) For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
(8 ) But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
(9) Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
(10) For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
(11) Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
(12) One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
(13) This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

In addition to other things we do in the Christian faith, the above are part of what we must do.
It's only the feeble minded and hero worshippers that fail to see these parts and include them in their life.

Thanx for the above response, very apt andvery precise.

@Image123
Colossians 2:16:

16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.

Colossians 2:21-22:
21 “Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”? 22 Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them.


So please stop disturbing us with your man made rules

verycute:
KunleOshob has two working ministries 1) THE MINISTRY OF POINTING OUT OBVIOUS ERRORS 2) JUDAS MINISTRY.

Like Judas in the Alabaster oil case, Kunle talks as if he is in love with the poor people of Nigeria. Check out Kunle's life, you will see what i mean. Someone who can never see God in another man.

And your own "ministry" onnairaland is to constantly harass kunle Abi   Why do you people take offence when the obvious bible based truth is being pointed out? Is it becos you people don't like to hear the truth and would rather pastors tell you what you want to hear?? That is another hallmark of false prophets.

1 John 4:5:
5 Those people[false teachers] belong to this world, so they speak from the world’s viewpoint, and the world listens to them.

2 Corinthians 11:4:
4 You happily put up with whatever anyone tells you, even if they preach a different Jesus [gospel]than the one we preach, or a different kind of Spirit than the one you received, or a different kind of gospel than the one you believed.

@poster
Is there any church today that is practising/ preaching the true religion?

Seun must be making a lot of money when would he settle us his loyal "customers"?

OLAADEGBU:
Born Again

"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

The vital doctrine of regeneration has been applicable in all ages, for man by nature is a lost sinner and must be spiritually reborn through faith in God and His promises to be saved. This truth appears in the Old Testament, for example, in David's prayer: "Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me" (Psalm 51:10).

It is emphasized more clearly and explicitly in the New Testament. "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which He shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour" (Titus 3:5-6). "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever" (I Peter 1:23).

Note that this spiritual birth is produced only through the eternal Word of God. "According to His abundant mercy," the Lord "hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you" (I Peter 1:3-4).

To be raised from spiritual death in sin to eternal life in Christ is a true miracle, as much so as the physical resurrection of Christ Himself, or even as the very creation of the world. "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ" (II Corinthians 4:6).

"Therefore, if any man be in Christ, he is a new |creation|: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new" (II Corinthians 5:17). HMM

Thanx for this contribution

As for uglyguy who keeps ranting in his pastor influenced ignorance and delusions, on the last day you won't have the excuse that you weren't warned.