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IslamRe: Miracle Baby Born In Russia With Quranic Verses by Lagosboy: 3:24pm On Jan 19, 2010
tpia.:
@ topic


someone is writing on that baby and possibly with dangerous material. Very irresponsible of whoever it is, imo.

Its obviously a ploy to get people started on the path to religious fundamentalism- the USSR was harsh on all religions, including Islam, back in those days.

Russia is known for these kind of things anyway- esoteric iconoclasm if such a word exists.
Have you considered that all the medical experts are foolish to have considered this a mystery? have you considered why NBC will report this story without independent verification? Have you considered all 2000 a day visitors to this baby are without common sense or none with technical now how of determining if the writings are actually written by man? Lets be objective sometimes, you do not have to accept Islam neither do you have to believe the Quran is from God but to deny an obvious mystery is a crime to the objective mind.
IslamRe: Muslims, What's Happening In Your Life? A Brother Needs your Assistance. Page 15 by Lagosboy: 1:07pm On Jan 19, 2010
Nanai:
Thanks iwaboy but I assure you that when you have a problem with family, you can only pray. Please pray for me. I'm becoming heavily depressed.
Sister please recite surah duha and sharh "Alam nashrahalak sadrak . . . . ." after every salah of yours. They are surahs that was revealed to the Prophet when he was sad, it helps depression and a look at the meaning of the verses will reflect it. May your burden be lightened. Also why not state your problem here , in case you could get good advice from people, i presume you are already anonymous or you could even be more anonymous by sending a message to jarusnairaland@yahoo.com. Its better to get quality advice plus dua as good fruitful advice could be a result of the dua.
IslamRe: Sisters Discuss Issues And Questions Here Relating To Feminity And Islam. by Lagosboy(op): 10:02pm On Jan 18, 2010
FayeZik:
Oh, okay. I did not know that there is a waiting period before actual divorce. Thanks for increasing my knowledge. i'm waiting for the answers.
Aunty e ku ojo meta o , how are the kids cheesy
IslamRe: Sisters Discuss Issues And Questions Here Relating To Feminity And Islam. by Lagosboy(op): 9:42pm On Jan 18, 2010
Abu Zola:
Allahu akbar, sheikh Lagosman. What about iddah of a widow
Ah Abuzola me i be bloody student of knowledge o, sheikh ke ! far from it o.

And those of you who die and leave wives behind them, they (the wives) shall wait (as regards their marriage) for four months and ten days” Q2:234

Regarding widows the days of iddah are longer and she would obviously be in their matrominal home till the whole state is shared by the will or judge. The verse above is self explicit.
IslamRe: Sisters Discuss Issues And Questions Here Relating To Feminity And Islam. by Lagosboy(op): 9:30pm On Jan 18, 2010
zayhal:
Asalam alaykum,

A woman in her iddah (waiting period), how much right does the husband still have on her?
Can she be without hijab in his presence?
can she cook his meals?
Does she have to seek his permission before going out?
Is it still his responsibility to provide for her needs?
Firstly, Iddah in the context of divorce is the period of aprrox 3 months waiting period of the wife after the first or second divorce before she is free to marry anyother person.

Allahs says in the qur'an Q65 v 1

O Prophet! When you divorce women, divorce them at their ‘Iddah (prescribed periods) and count (accurately) their ‘Iddah (periods). And fear Allaah your Lord (O Muslims). And turn them not out of their (husband’s) homes nor shall they (themselves) leave, except in case they are guilty of some open illegal sexual intercourse. And those are the set limits of Allaah. And whosoever transgresses the set limits of Allaah, then indeed he has wronged himself. You (the one who divorces his wife) know not it may be that Allaah will afterward bring some new thing to pass (i.e. to return her back to you if that was the first or second divorce).[/b]Q65 v 1

And divorced women shall wait (as regards their marriage) for three menstrual periods, and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allaah has created in their wombs, if they believe in Allaah and the Last Day. [b]And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.


The divorce is twice, after that, either you retain her on reasonable terms or release her with kindness. And it is not lawful for you (men) to take back (from your wives) any of your Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) which you have given them, except when both parties fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by Allaah (e.g. to deal with each other on a fair basis). Then if you fear that they would not be able to keep the limits ordained by Allaah, then there is no sin on either of them if she gives back (the Mahr or a part of it) for her Al-Khul‘ (divorce). These are the limits ordained by Allaah, so do not transgress them. And whoever transgresses the limits ordained by Allaah, then such are the Zaalimoon (wrongdoers).

And if he has divorced her (the third time), then she is not lawful unto him thereafter until she has married another husband…”
Q2 v 228

From the verses above we understand that a wife has to remain in her husbands house for 3 months after the pronouncement of a divorce and this is the general ruling in all schools of jurispudence in islam.

To answer your qestions

Rights:
The wife has the same rights she had before the divorce as regards maintenance, feeding , clothing and such, the only rights she doest have is his time or sexual rights.

Regarding the hijab , since she is allowed to live in the house with him I presume (subject to any other conflicting evidence) she could be without the hijab but no sexual relations is permitted.

Regarding making meals that could be subject to her discretion but the husband still maintains her it is only natural to be able to make meals as well.

Regarding permission of leaving the house , I DONT KNOW and i dont want to speculate in islam half of knowledge is to be able to say "I DONT KNOW" (however, from this ayah " . . And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise"
We might be able to say she needs his permission, it remains a conjecture on my path though)


We should understand that the wisdom of her remaining in the house is to give them room to come together again and Allahs says that in the verses above, the husband could also take her back within this period of iddah and does not need to wait for 3 months if he wishes to take her back as he has the rights islamically to take her back subject to the limits of islam. The couple are only given this opportunity twice and if there is a third divorce that is it! The husband cannot marry her again except she marries another person sincerely and divorces.

After three months she is free to marry anyother person, if there is no reconcilation.

On This subject of divorce i am not very knowledgable in divorce issues but only done the little best of my ability. If there is any superior arguement or opinion to the above please throw my rubbish in the bin and take it.

And indeed Allah knows best.
IslamRe: Let Pray For The People Of Haiti by Lagosboy: 8:48pm On Jan 18, 2010
ayusman16:
Must you Muslims always make donations because there are Muslims in Haiti? Why not emulate the xtians folks who are selfless and assist irrespective of religious affiliations. Why are even Arabians not donating?
No one has said anything close to your assumptions here, read the thread again and re read your post then assess your conscience if your assumptions here is right. Isale gan only gave an information we did not even know before the thread was created, neither did i know before i posted the link of an islamic charity on here giving aid to the Haitians.

Human beings are human beings regardless of race or creed, an act of charity is an act of charity regardless of the faith of the person, In islam we hav to be nice and treat all animals nicely, there is a hadith where a prostitute was granted jannah just because she gave water to a thirsty dog i think.
IslamRe: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Lagosboy: 6:58pm On Jan 18, 2010
@ Jarzinho

On the issue of global warming and environment in islam.

Firstly Allah says in the qur'an, Q40v 57. "The creation of the heavens and the earth is indeed greater than the creation of mankind, yet most of mankind know not."

The creation of the heavens and earth is a sign of Gods greatness and Allah has made the earth conducive for us to live in as he said in the qur'an Q2 v21

"O mankind! Worship your Lord (Allâh), Who created you and those who were before you so that you may become Al-Muttaqûn 
Who has made the earth a resting place for you, and the sky as a canopy, and sent down water (rain) from the sky and brought forth therewith fruits as a provision for you"


From the verses above we realise that the favours and mercies of God on us in this world are abundant and it is actually a trust for us which we have to treat wih care. From the understanding of this concept we relise the environment we live in was modified by Allah for us to be able to survive in it,  astronomy has confirmed the verse of the quran in this regards as we know other planets are not suitable to live in for humans and that is why Allah said in that verse specifically "made the earth resting place" which means inhabitable. It will be interesting to note here in arabic the word used was "ja'ala" which means to modify,to transform . The understanding of this word in arabic makes us realise why Allah did not use "khalaq" which means create and the verse was not "created the earth as a resting place". The earth was created like other planets but was then made inhabitable for Man.

In islam anything we are entrusted with we have to care about and take good care of it, the environment is a trust on us and as mslims we have to take good care of it in whatever way we can. From reducing green house gases, to cutting of trees to various things. The prophet of islam PBUH prohibited the cutting of trees during wars or cutting of trees indiscrimatory, now this was an environmental legislation 1429 years ago before any Kyoto protocol which butresses the completenes of Islam as a complete way of life or system. The Prophet PBUH further said in another Hadith :
"The earth has been created for me as a mosque and a means of purification" Bukhari 1 : 331

This means the earth is a sacred place and should be treated with sanctity and respect. The heavens nd earth are creatures of Allah as well and deserve respect because the heavens and earth glorify Allah so how would we humans not treat them with regard a 44nd care as they have been entrusted to us. The quran confirms this in Q17 v 44
"The seven heavens and the earth and all that is therein, glorify Him and there is not a thing but glorifies His Praise. But you understand not their glorification. Truly, He is Ever Forbearing, Oft-Forgiving

Additionally, we have been given lots of resources from nature by Allah and he stressed it in the qur'an like the verses below: Q56

63. Tell Me! The seed that you sow in the ground.

64. Is it you that make it grow, or are We the Grower?

65. Were it Our Will, We could crumble it to dry pieces, and you would be regretful (or left in wonderment).

66. (Saying): "We are indeed Mughramûn (i.e. ruined or lost the money without any profit, or punished by the loss of all that we spend for cultivation, etc.)! [See Tafsir Al-Qurtubî, Vol. 17, Page 219]

67. "Nay, but we are deprived!"

68. Tell Me! The water that you drink.

69. Is it you who cause it from the rainclouds to come down, or are We the Causer of it to come down?

70. If We willed, We verily could make it salt (and undrinkable), why then do you not give thanks (to Allâh)?

71. Tell Me! The fire which you kindle,

72. Is it you who made the tree thereof to grow, or are We the Grower?

73. We have made it a Reminder (for the Hell-fire, in the Hereafter); and an article of use for the travellers (and all the others, in this world).

74. Then glorify with praises the Name of your Lord, the Most Great.


Allah has prefferred human beings to other creaturs and he made nature and animal subservient to us not because of our physical strength but by granting us high intelligence and intellect. We have to use our intellect to protect our environment not harm it.

And God knows best
IslamRe: Miracle Baby Born In Russia With Quranic Verses by Lagosboy: 6:55pm On Jan 18, 2010
To all, please this is just a sign and nothing more, otherwise muslims should have mounted an unprecedented propaganda in the whole media with such signs. We have hundreds of such signs in the world from Russhia to Germany to Africa and beyond. However the greatest miracle and sign is still the qur'an. You are entitled to your beliefs if you arent muslim and there is no issue about that in the least but try to open your heart and understand the faith of islam beyond the terrorism news sung everyday. Some folks did and that is why thousands of americans and europeans convert to islam every year since 9/11 , before 9/11 it was significantly lower than that. I personally know tens and tens of converts in the UK trooping into islam every week.

Every now and then this signs keep coming in various parts of the earth, indeed seek the truth with all sincerity and you shall find it.

May our Creator guide us all
IslamRe: Am A Christian Converted To Muslim.wanna Know Why? Come In by Lagosboy: 6:53pm On Jan 18, 2010
We will show them Our Signs in the universe, and in their ownselves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (the Qur'ân) is the truth. Is it not sufficient in regard to your Lord that He is a Witness over all things

Q41 v 53
IslamRe: Miracle Baby Born In Russia With Quranic Verses by Lagosboy: 6:43pm On Jan 18, 2010
This is the link
[flash=425,355]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/_H18HjDCKTQ&NR=1&feature=fvwp[/flash]

Indeed Allah says in the qur'an

We will show them Our Signs in the universe, and in their ownselves, until it becomes manifest to them that this (the Qur'ân) is the truth. Is it not sufficient in regard to your Lord that He is a Witness over all things Q41 v 53
IslamRe: Sisters Discuss Issues And Questions Here Relating To Feminity And Islam. by Lagosboy(op): 6:34pm On Jan 18, 2010
This my answer on a similar thread with sis Zayhal relating to this.

Sayyida A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) narrates that an Ansari girl was married and became sick hence all her hair fell out. They (her family and friends) intended to join her hair with false hair, so they asked the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) who said: “Allah has cursed the woman who joins her or someone else’s hair (with the hair of another man or woman) and the woman who asks for her hair to be joined with the hair of another.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no 5590)

The opinion in the Hanafi school and Shafi school explains that the hadith specifically refers to someone elses hair and not an animal hair which was also available in their time. According to the Hanafi school the use of wool whether fitted or extended or looks longer is permissible. Fashion for a woman is not haraam rather it is encouraged to make her always attractive to her husband but fashion has to be within the limits set by islam.

If you read this book umad al qari sharh bukhari (its in arabic though, no english translation) under the hadith above it explains all these and highlights the permissibity of non human hair as long as it is not pig and a pure animal.

Remember the rule everything is halal until proven haram. The burden of proof is on one who says if it extends beyond the normal hair then it is haram. As far as i know there is no hadith stating this but the interpretation of the above hadith to mean is not correct in my humble opinion. Wool heavy or light is clear to the beholder it is not natural hair and as such no deception in this. Also remember the hair is for the husband and will be covered by hijab anyway.

The opnions above like i stated is of the Hanafi school and shafis as well. Some Malikis accept wool on the condition of not extending beyond the normal hair and i guess this is the opinion you stated.?

N.B Some hanafi scholars even permit wiping of wig during wudhu of the wig is fixed and not easily removed.


ronkeenuf:
Salam alaykum to all, There is a question that has been bugging my mind for a while. Should married women use hair attachments? I understand that the Prophet(pbuh) cursed women who use them cos a mother approached him to know if her daughter whose hair was scanty and about to get married could use attachments and he replied that it would be misrepresentation to the husband who would be fooled to believe that the attachment is his bride to be's hair. He therefore cursed women who use attachments. I don't know how far this is true but if it is so, could a married woman whose husband already knows how long her hair really is use attachments to make herself more appealing to her husband?

I intend to look the best for my husband when I get married and I have been wondering if I could use hair attachments as one of my weapons to keep my husband drooling grin grin on me even as we age. wink

Thanks, ma salaam
Sister the analysis above explains the hadith in question, however on the use of attachment itself it could only be permitted under the Hanafi fiqh , in my humble opinion however i will suggest you use wool as it could serve the prupose and you could still make wudhu properly with water penetrating as attachment i guess are made from synthetic material except spaces are left for water to penetrate.

And indeed Allah knows best
IslamRe: Sisters Discuss Issues And Questions Here Relating To Feminity And Islam. by Lagosboy(op): 6:25pm On Jan 18, 2010
mukina2:
grin grin grin

oya lagosboy over to you
Wetin be your own sef, shebi u nor need attachment grin grin Abi Arsenal FC want am

@Topic

Mmmm interesting topic. How do i start, mmmmm

Firstly there is a unanimous agreement of sholars on the impermissiblity of the use of human hair to beautify the womans hair. This is from the hadith of the Prophet PBUH in Bukhari that says and (i am not quoting verbatim) Allah has cursed the Al - wasilah (The hairdresser that adds the hair) and mutawasilah (The lady who asks for it).

The scholars based on this hadith have prophibited the use of another persons human hair of whatever source.

Now to the issue of non human hair like wool , silk and cloth.

We have difference of opinion amongst the schools of thought.

Hanafi and shafi schools have allowed the use of wool and its kind because it is not human hair and not considered cheating. They have allowed it as it could beutify the woman for her husband.
The Shafi school based their on the condition that the source animal for the wool has to be pure as in halal to eat and also that the woman who does it is married with the permission of her husband.

The maliki school prohibits the use of wool and other things that seem like hair and not apparently clear it is not the womans hair. They have only permitted the use of things like silk to tie the hair as it doesnt add to the hair but only used as an extention and fully apparent it is not her hair.

The Hambali have toed a similar line of the malikis prohibiting anything that seems like human hair even if it is not human hair.

From the explanation above we should not condemn anyone using wool to beautify herself as long as it is for her husband. The use of rubber will take the similar ruling of wool but the reason rubber will be sometimes impermissible is water will not infiltrate rubber for the purpose of wudhu which makes the wudhu non valid. Wool could be penetrated by water so no issue with this.

And God knows best.
IslamRe: Sisters Discuss Issues And Questions Here Relating To Feminity And Islam. by Lagosboy(op): 2:03pm On Jan 18, 2010
Sis Zayhal actual means the iddah of a divorce. We have iddah when a husband dies and after the first divorce, here it is after a divorce as that is the gist of the question

Inshallah i would answer when i am less busy.
IslamRe: Jarus: Where Is The Fairness? by Lagosboy: 2:00pm On Jan 18, 2010
Abu-Safwan:
Why is this usisky too often running away from our formidable challenge. He just comes and says rubbish, and then go away unable to address the challenges we pose againt him. I can now see he can only raise a claim but he cannot defend. I will be here until he come back; and I know how to deal with him. I will never let him to move to another point of argument unless he address the multiple challenges and wuestion we pose in all our replies.
I hope everyone now understands why i wanted a live debate with him.
IslamRe: Let Pray For The People Of Haiti by Lagosboy: 11:16pm On Jan 17, 2010
isale_gan2:
Very good sentiments.

In case some don't know (just as I did not until recently), there is a tiny population of Muslims in Haiti. I met several members of a Haitian Muslim group while they were visiting USA. They're so small that even some Haitians are not aware there are Muslims in Haiti. Some of their beliefs/worldview is a little different from what I'm used to, but the ones I met were very well-read, observe salah, go to hajj, etc. This particular group are very proud of retaining their muslim heritage since slavery time.

They tend to hold in very high esteem, a former slave named Mackandal or Makendel. History says he was a revolutionary who tried to help other slaves fight for freedom, but was captured by the whites and burned alive to set an example for the others slaves.

Those Haitians who still call his came have mythologized him to the point they believe he broke the chains and escaped from the fires.

Anyway, I mentioned just to let people know we are everywhere - African and Muslim.
Nice info and good insight as i was never aware of this as well.

N.B I like your signature grin , eko o ni baje o. . .
IslamRe: Let Pray For The People Of Haiti by Lagosboy: 8:26pm On Jan 17, 2010
Here is a link for anyone willing to donate to help the people of Haiti.

http://www.islamicrelief.com/Emergencies-And-Appeals/emBackground.aspx?emID=66

May Allah accept our efforts
IslamRe: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Lagosboy: 8:21pm On Jan 17, 2010
the_seeker:
just coming across this thread for the first time and by Allah it touch my very soul. i have never seen a more faithful thread. If not for the unfortunate interjection by Realtol everyone was polite.
Lagosboy, you have no idea how many folds my respect for you has grown. May Allah reward u abudantly. I realy want to be like you
Ify thanks for opening this thread and give us an oppurtunity to learn in peace. I wish you all the best.
Sincerity is the catalyst for Barakah (Blessings) in anything we do, I sensed Ify's sincerity from the very begining and i suspect that is why Allah enabled the thread to progress. Ify is indeed sincere in her quest for knowledge and understanding May God in his infinte mercies guide her heart and illuminate it with his unblemished Light.

May Allah accept this humble effort from this humble slave of Allah and other contributors as well, and may he make the thread a source of knowledge and guidance to whoever reads it as well, above all may he countinue to put his barakah in all our efforts and the thread as well, may Allah reward you the seeker for your comments. Ameen
IslamRe: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Lagosboy: 8:09pm On Jan 17, 2010
ifyalways:
can u explain these verses of the koran for me,it seems contradictory
4 ;78,79.
who is the first muslim ever,Muhammed [6:14, 163] Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, the first man who also received inspiration from Allah [2:37]?
waiting.
Ify  cheesy, this is an age old allegation of contradiction in the quran by some ignorant folks who have failed to spend 10 mins understanding the context of the quran.

The summary of those verses is simple , each of the prophets mentioned were the first believers amongs their people at the time and Adam was the first believer ever. No where in the qur'an does it say Abraham, Moses or Muhammad PBUT all were the first believers EVER. Before i analyse the verse one by one , I would like you to note like i have said earlier in the thread that the message of all prophets of God is the same and it is to call the people to the worship of Allah without any partners which makes them all believers and submitters to Allah , muslim. We do not make distinction among any of them and Allah says in the quran :

The Messenger (Muhammad SAW) believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers. Each one believes in Allâh, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. They say, "We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers" - and they say, "We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your Forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all)."

Now lets us start with Moses in Q7v 143
And when Mûsa (Moses) came at the time and place appointed by Us, and his Lord spoke to him, he said: "O my Lord! Show me (Yourself), that I may look upon You." Allâh said: "You cannot see Me, but look upon the mountain if it stands still in its place then you shall see Me." So when his Lord appeared to the mountain[], He made it collapse to dust, and Mûsa (Moses) fell down unconscious. Then when he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to You, I turn to You in repentance and I am the first of the believers"

Here Moses was simply sayin ghe his the first of the children of israel to be believers, It can never mean he his the first ever believer as they verse never used the word "ever". The quran talked about Joseph PBUH who was a believer and the first of the children of Israel to be in Egypt so how could it be Moses be the first ever. The word used was "awalu mumineen" which brings me to the next verse you mentioned and this is actual a point to prove my arguement and not aginst it.
Q26 v 49-51
49 [Fir'aun (Pharaoh)] said: "You have believed in him before I give you leave. Surely, he indeed is your chief, who has taught you magic! So verily, you shall come to know. Verily, I will cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, and I will crucify you all."

50. They said: "No harm! Surely, to our Lord (Allâh) we are to return;
51  "Verily! We really hope that our Lord will forgive us our sins, as we are the first of the believers [in Mûsa (Moses) and in the Monotheism which he has brought from Allâh]."


This is another chapter talking about events of Moses PBUH and the majicians of Pharaoh who believed in the message of Moses PBUH when their sticks were swallowed by the snake of Moses PBUH. The word used here was same "awallu mumineen" which means they were the first to believe among the people of Pharaoh and does not mean the first ever believers.

The same explanation goes for Q2 v 127 - 133  on Abraham PBUH

127. And (remember) when Ibrâhim (Abraham) and (his son) Ismâ'il (Ishmael) were raising the foundations of the House (the Ka'bah at Makkah), (saying), "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us. Verily! You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knower." []

128. "Our Lord! And make us submissive unto You and of our offspring a nation submissive unto You, and show us our Manâsik [] (all the ceremonies of pilgrimage - Hajj and 'Umrah, etc.), and accept our repentance. Truly, You are the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful.

129. "Our Lord! Send amongst them a Messenger of their own (and indeed Allâh answered their invocation by sending Muhammad Peace be upon him ), who shall recite unto them Your Verses and instruct them in the Book (this Qur'ân) and Al-Hikmah (full knowledge of the Islâmic laws and jurisprudence or wisdom or Prophethood, etc.), and sanctify them. Verily! You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise."

130. And who turns away from the religion of Ibrâhim (Abraham) (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism) except him who befools himself? Truly, We chose him in this world and verily, in the Hereafter he will be among the righteous.

131. When his Lord said to him, "Submit (i.e. be a Muslim)!" He said, "I have submitted myself (as a Muslim) to the Lord of the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns and all that exists)."

132. And this (submission to Allâh, Islâm) was enjoined by Ibrâhim (Abraham) upon his sons and by Ya'qûb (Jacob), (saying), "O my sons! Allâh has chosen for you the (true) religion, then die not except in the Faith of Islâm (as Muslims - Islâmic Monotheism)."

133. Or were you witnesses when death approached Ya'qûb (Jacob)? When he said unto his sons, "What will you worship after me?" They said, "We shall worship your Ilâh [] (God - Allâh), the Ilâh (God) of your fathers, Ibrâhim (Abraham), Ismâ'il (Ishmael), Ishâque (Isaac), One Ilâh (God), and to Him we submit (in Islâm)."


It is clear from the context that the verse does not mention anything about Abraham or his sons being the first believers ever, in fact no where does it mention anything as FIRST only that they submited in islam.

The same explantion then goes for Prophet Muhammad PBUH in Q6 v 14 and 163:

Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Shall I take as a Walî (helper, protector, etc.) any other than Allâh, the Creator of the heavens and the earth? And it is He Who feeds but is not fed." Say: "Verily, I am commanded to be the first of those who submit themselves to Allâh (as Muslims)." And be not you (O Muhammad SAW) of the Mushrikûn [polytheists, pagans, idolaters and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh].

This verse is actually a command to the holy Prophet PBUH to say to the pagans that he is the first of the people of Makkah in that time and particularly the quraish tribe his tribe to be muslims. It does not mean the Prophet PBUH was the first muslim ever in the least.

I hope the explanation is very clear and there is no contradiction here and in fact there is no contradiction in the qur'an at all, whatever some people call contradiction is either deliberate intellectuall unobjectivity or simple plain ignorance and intellectual laziness to study the explantions to it.

I conclude by the stating the verse of the qur'an in Q4 v 82

Do they not then consider the Qur'ân carefully? Had it been from other than Allâh, they would surely have found therein much contradictions

And indeed God knows best.
IslamRe: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Lagosboy: 7:10pm On Jan 17, 2010
ifyalways:
@LB,went for a Jumai prayers yesterday cheesy
what are harem,can u give me a full list?
Are Imans paid?Is there purgatory or just heaven and hell?
Ify, imams are paid wages and in fact in the western and .some arab countries imams are paid well with a good package. Some mosques pay imams in the Uk about 400GBP a week and some big mosques provide accomodation for the imams as well. However in african countries like Nigeria it is not all imams that are paid and the economic situation and poverty rate has to be put into consideration. In arab countries the govt pays the registered imams but it is not so in Nigeria in the least. Again someone in Nigeria could please shed more light on Imams in Nigeria. Jarus ,Iwaboy over to you.

Purgatory exists in islam and it starts in the grave (for some it starts in this world before death), there is punishment in the grave before the day of judgement for the evil doers, there is punishement on the day of judgement before the actual judgement begins as humans will be in extreme heat waiting for the Lord of the World to begin judgement, finally there paradise and hell. Muslims prefer to call "heaven" paradise as heavens refers to the firmirments in the sky and we have seven heavens. It is high in the heavens we have paradise and hell fire, this is a wide subject and i have just summarised it in the most simple words i can. If you want more details then insha Allah i will go further.
IslamRe: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Lagosboy: 5:20pm On Jan 17, 2010
Ify dont get put off by the long list as if you read them through you will realise they are all unlawful things even to a persons common sense and conscience. They are in fact guidance to move a servant closer to his master which is God, they guidance and step to move one upwards in the ladder of spirituality and they are indeed a path that leads to eternal bliss and success in the hereafter.

As human beings one is not free from all these unlawful things and muslims fall into them one time or another but Allah is in fact the oft forgiving and he promises forgivness ones a servant is genuingly sorry for his actions.

" And those who, when they have committed Fahishah (illegal sexual intercourse etc.) or wronged themselves with evil, remember Allâh and ask forgiveness for their sins; - and none can forgive sins but Allâh - And do not persist in what (wrong) they have done, while they know. For such, the reward is Forgiveness from their Lord, and Gardens with rivers flowing underneath (Paradise), wherein they shall abide forever. How excellent is this reward for the doers (who do righteous deeds according to Allâh's Orders)" Q3v 135

One just has to strive to follow the wishes of Allah if you truly love Allah, the best of believers are those who avoid sins or haraam due to their love for God.

And God knows best
IslamRe: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Lagosboy: 5:05pm On Jan 17, 2010
01. Associating partners with Allah
02. Murder
03. Practising magic
04. Stop Praying
05. non payment of Zakah
06. Not fasting on a Day of Ramadan without excuse
07. Not performing Hajj, while being able to do so
08. Disrespect to parents
09. Abandoning relatives
10. Fornication and Adultery
11. Homosexuality(sodomy)
12. Interest(Riba) - usury
13. Illegal consumption of the property of an orphan
14. Lying about Allah and His Messenger
15. Running away from the battlefield
16. A leader's deceiving his people and being unjust to them
17. Pride and arrogance
18. Bearing false witness
19. Drinking Alcohol
20. Gambling
21. Slandering chaste women
22. Stealing from the war booty
23. Stealing
24. Highway Robbery
25. Taking false oath
26. Oppression
27. illegal profit in trade
28. Consuming wealth acquired unlawfully
29. Committing suicide
30. Frequent lying
31. Judging unjustly
32. Giving and Accepting bribes
33. Woman's imitating man and man's imitating woman
34. Being cuckold
35. Marrying a divorced woman in order to make her lawful for the husband
36. Not protecting oneself from urine
37. Showing-off
38. Learning knowledge of the religion for the sake of this world and concealing that knowledge
39. Bertrayal of trust
40. Recounting favours
41. Denying Allah's Decree
42. Listening (to) people's private conversations
43. spreading false tales
44. Cursing
45. Breaking contracts
46. Believing in fortune-tellers and astrologers
47. A woman's bad conduct towards her husband
48. Making statues of humans
49. Lamenting, wailing, tearing the clothing, and doing other things of this sort when an affliction befalls
50. Treating others unjustly
51. Overbearing conduct toward the wife, the servant, the weak, and animals
52. Offending one's neighbour
53. Offending and abusing Muslims
54. Offending people and having an arrogant attitude toward them
55. Trailing one's garment in pride
56. Men's wearing silk and gold
57. A slave's running away from his master
58. Slaughtering an animal which has been dedicated to anyone other than Allah
59. To knowingly ascribe one's paternity to a father other than one's own
60. Arguing and disputing violently
61. Witholding excess water
62. Giving short weight or measure (Cheating)
63. Feeling secure from Allah's Plan (i.e feeling self sufficient from God)
64. Offending Allah's righteous friends
65. Not praying in congregation but praying alone without an excuse(Men)
66. Persistently missing Friday Prayers without any excuse
67. Unsurping the rights of the heir through bequests
68. Deceiving and plotting evil
69. Spying for the enemy of the Muslims
70. Cursing or insulting any of the Companiions of Allah's Messenger
IslamRe: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Lagosboy: 5:00pm On Jan 17, 2010
ifyalways:
@LB,went for a Jumai prayers yesterday cheesy
Are Imans paid?Is there purgatory or just heaven and hell?
Hey, I am extremely elated  grin you had a chance to go for jumah prayers yesterday  grin How was it and how did you find it? What was the sermon about and i hope it was in english or a language you understood. The sermon at the jumah service i went to was about spreading of rumour without verification, very common amongst us today and we dont see it as a big issue  sad . Anyway what was the sermon about? I remember earlier on last year when i suggested you attend one, how time flies  wink

what are harem,can u give me a full list?
I want to believe you meant haram , haram are forbidden things in islam and if you remember the 5 rulings i have listed here couple of times it is one of them. haram are things that are unlawful in islam and if one engages in them then one commits sins that can only be forgiven by God and sometimes by fellow men as well.

Erm. . . . list of haram things  . . . . that cannot write it all here as i can never finish it because islamic is a dynamic religion that moves with time however there are some basic haram things everyone should know. I would try to list some things here but i dont want to scare you with a whole long list as some people believe we have too many rules in islam but i say to them we have too many guidance in islam from how we eat to how we use the toilet and deal with relativs and friends.

Ify in islam we major sins and minor sins, the major sins being things that have been expressly forbidden by God in the Quran and the Prophet PBUH in the hadiths. Allah says in the qur'an:
" If you avoid the major (part) of what you have been forbidden (to do), We will cancel out for you your (other) evil deeds and will admit you (to Paradise) with a noble entry. (Q4:31)
"Those who avoid the greatest of sins and indecencies, and forgive when they are angry" (Q42:37)
"Those who avoid the greatest sins and indecencies, except for oversights, (will find that) surely your Lord is ample in forgiveness"( Q53:32)


We have 7 great sins of the major sins:
Associating partners with God in whatever form is not only haram but it also negates ones belief in islam
Slandering a chaste woman about fornication or adultery
Killing a human for no just reason (i.e punishment for murder)
Practising majic (sorcery, black majic, vodoo and the likes)
Turning back on the muslim army in the face of the enemy
Practising usury- Interest
consuming the wealth of an orphan illegally.


However the major sins are not limited to this and are actually considered to be around 70 by the scholars of islam from the statement of Ibn Abbas RA the prophets PBUH cousin. They are listed below:
IslamRe: Let Pray For The People Of Haiti by Lagosboy: 1:46pm On Jan 17, 2010
I feel the pain and the destruction in Haiti , in fact one can only pray to Allah to be strong in times like this as people become desperate and the injured become hopeless(even suicide) if the aid isnt forthcomming. May Allah in his infinite mercies guide their actions in this times.

whoever can help or donate online should please do, as this will be indeed an act of charity in the path of God.
IslamRe: Y Do Wahhabi Muslims View Shia Muslims And Other Muslims As Being False by Lagosboy: 1:36pm On Jan 17, 2010
Gentlemen please let us not start to look into the differences between sunnis and shia rather let us look at what we agree upon. Analysing the differences is nothing but tantamount to pulling us apart. Yes we have big some big differences but we need to remember as well there are 5 branches of shia - islmaila, zaidis, twelvers, even alevi is a branch of shia.

The zaidis are the most close to the sunnis and the twelvers are not far off. The issue of hatred of some shahbas is historical hence, not understanding the fine details of islamic history especially between 15AH - 94AH will never make us understand the reason the shia hold some positions.

Jarzinho my main man abeg let us let the sleeping dog lie here let us discuss other things aside from this sects thingy wink , i have been away for a few days and insha allah i will go back to the other thread to answer your question later this evening.

@Poster
Wahabis is not a sect of islam but it is just an ideology within the sunni islam, some positions they hold stem from their understanding of some methodologies of islamic jurispudence and in this issue of belief , stems from some understanding of ilm Kalam. Their extreme position on the shia sometimes is more political than religious and that is some of the problems I have personally with the Saudi regime and its santctioned govt wahabi scholars. However we are all muslims, have differences of opinion as no one speaks directly to God but we all agree on the most important aspects of faith. No one can say 100% the other party is wrong , we can only analyse issues based on the evidences we have and conclude by saying "And God knows Best".
SportsRe: Martins Quits Nation Cup Team :o by Lagosboy: 2:26pm On Jan 13, 2010
Nigeria might not qualify for the Q/F i guess. There are no minows in african football again and mozambique, benin might shock our europe based players.
IslamRe: Jarus: Where Is The Fairness? by Lagosboy: 8:13am On Jan 13, 2010
dude please enough of this jargon u call write up and enough of this misinformation. Your lack of understanding and knowledge is so apparent. I repeat if you are so convinced of this belief why not accept my debate today and let us proceed.

I need not remind anybody that this dude is is not a Muslim as he said it himself in the post above. You are definitlynot within on us so sparring us your presence here will be most appreciated. You could go to the religious section it accommodates other faiths and submission could be one of them. Here it is islam of the prophets sahabas tabeens and the tabi tabeeens not a new islam of 1970 by the dajjal called khalifa.
IslamRe: Muslims, What's Happening In Your Life? A Brother Needs your Assistance. Page 15 by Lagosboy: 7:03pm On Jan 12, 2010
yeah that is not a problem at all you can do the islamic marriage without them being there. you have to do an aqd nikkah for your marriage to be valid in islam. The ceremony or party is not the main thing like i said but the aqd, once u do the aqd then your parent could organise the party and stuff. For the aqd because your parents are not muslims you would need a muslim male relative to act as your wali and in the absence of one an muslim community leader can act as your wali.

I hope you understand.
IslamRe: Muslims, What's Happening In Your Life? A Brother Needs your Assistance. Page 15 by Lagosboy: 5:06pm On Jan 12, 2010
Your parents dont support the marriage to the brother or your parents dont support an islamic marriage ceremony which one please?
IslamRe: Usisky : Please Lets Have A Live Debate by Lagosboy(op): 5:04pm On Jan 12, 2010
toba:
Why is evrything about islam DESTROY & KILL? The word in your post is too harsh. After all hes your Fellow muslim. Take it easy LAGOSBOY or LAGOSMAN
Gentleman, everyone knows me on this forum that i dont engage in futile discussions, "destroying the foundation of an arguement intellectually" is nothing to do with kill and destruction you mean. Re read my wordings perhaps you could sense your exaggeration, it is indeed needless .
IslamRe: Curious About Islam,facts About Islam. by Lagosboy: 5:00pm On Jan 12, 2010
Jairzinho:
[Qu’ran 3:6] He is the One who shapes you in the wombs as He wills. There is no other god besides Him; the Almighty, Most Wise.
[Qu’ran 3:20] If they argue with you, then say, "I have simply submitted myself to GOD; I and those who follow me." You shall proclaim to those who received the scripture, as well as those who did not, "Would you submit?" If they submit, then they have been guided, but if they turn away, your sole mission is to deliver this message. GOD is Seer of all people.
[72:25] Say(O muhammad), "I do not know if what is promised to you will happen soon, or if my Lord will delay it for awhile."
[72:26] He is the Knower of the future; He does not reveal the future to anyone.
[72:27] Only to a messenger that He chooses, does He reveal from the past and the future

So focus is on God , He can do as he pleases, you cannot contain or predict God ,my friend, so saying categorically that GOD ALMIGHTY CANNOT DO something is tantamount to disbelief !
My main man cheesy I know you are one of the very few that tries to understand the other faith and do some research thumbs up. However, there is a limit to the understanding of the information at your disposal without having a bit of some formal study in the basics and foundations of the faith like the concept of Tawheed (Unity of God).

The verses you quoted from Q72 are verses some other faiths like Usiskys submission faith try to quote to postulate the theory of another messenger besides the Prophet PBUH. You see the quran is a whole book and when we make rulings or interprete verses we do so wholly as well in context of not just the surrounding verses but in context of the whole quran. The quran explicitly calls the Prophet PBUH the last and final one to mankind and the verses of Q72 referred to Allahs messengers in general before Muhammad PBUH and including Muhammed PBUH, it doesnt refer to a messenger after in the least. This is the very core of islam like i said , this is the belief of 99% of people who call themselves muslims, this is the belief of early muslims from that time till now. In the time of the prophet there was an impostor called Musaylimo who claimed to be a messenger as well but he was defeated intellectualy, his wife even confessed she knew he was a liar and acceped islam. This issue you have to understand it from the basics of islam.

Theother issue of Olabowale saying God will not do something, he did not mean it in the sense of what you think and if anyone means in that sense you are right it is actual disbelief. What Olabs meant and he said it was "the sunnah of Allah does not change" it is a verse of the quran and it means the tradition of God will not change. God can make the heavens come down now and the earth go up , it is within is power for he is able to do all things but he will not do it until his appointed term because it is not his tradition to break his promise. It is the same way he promised or stated Muhammed PBUH being the final prophet and he will not change his tradition because he never breaks his promise. " Wa lam sunnati Allah tabdila" that is the verse - The tradition of Allah does not change. The verse was repeated in at least 5 places in te quran if not more i think.

But is this a commandment from God? huh
Islamic scholars have determined immediate burial was done(during the times of HPM) because of the heat in the desert & bodies rotting away ,it wasn’t a direction from God. An Arab desert contingency has found its way into ‘pristine Islam’. Similarly women covering faces was primarily to prevent sand from getting into their faces- another cultural attribute linked with Islam.
Buddie , again we have to go back to the basics in islamic jurispudenc we have 5 rulings like i have said here before - Complusory, recommended,forbidden, frowned upon, neutral.

The issue of burying early the dead is a reccommendation of the Prophet PBUH , not because of rotten bodies but because of the concept of life after death in islam. Once the sould departs from the dead, it is returned to him in his grave for a brief questionining and then departs again to the barzakh if a believer. (it is a very wide subject , i do not want confuse anyone here) The point is it benefits the believer to be lowered in the grave earlier. However it is not a compulsory act and burial could be delayed for valid resons and could be sinful if you deliberately refuse to bury the dead. The prophet PBUH himself was not buried until afte thre dys for valid reasons.

Women covering their faces is not due to sand but a commandment in the quran directly to the wives of the Prophet PBUH in Q33 v53 ". . . .And when you ask (his wives) for anything you want, ask them from behind a screen, that is purer for your hearts and for their hearts . . ."
This was one of the direct commandement to the prophets wives, and the arabs never used to wear the hijab fully covered before that but could cover the noses from dust and stuff. It is a wrong notion to think it is a cultutral thing and nothing to do with islam. However covering the face is not compulsory on muslim women but if a woman wants to do it emulating the wives of the prophet PBUH she has a reward and no one should stop her , it is her free will but never to be forced upon anyone.

So just as the sword verse & marrying 4 wives should be taken in CONTEXT, a lot of what could be termed ‘pristine Islam’ are being taken out of context. smiley
I thought we concluded Jarus pristine islam wasnt referring to all these but in Nigerias context. Oya wink enough of pristine islam as theres is no single definition for this like i said and when used it is in context of the society.

Lets move on, oh I remember u asked about islam position on animal rights and global warming, now you are asking wonderful contemporary questions which i love, i will answer once i get back insha Allah.

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