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Sahara reporters made the fatal blunder and i posted many messages here for guys to remove this wrong photo. A poster made a comment on SR on that day saying the guy in this photo is currently in naija and can never be Umar and he was correct. I think the dude should sue SR point blank because information says SR recieved £150,00o for the right foto from BBC.

you can visit this thread for a bit of information on why miracles is never emphasised in islam. It could also enlighten you about a few more things on islam.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-359506.0.html

jumaingirl:
Do Allah actually exist? if yes why is it that he don't reveal himself or minister to muslims, why is it that muslims don't see visions the way christians does, why is it that muslims don'tr prophecy?, why is it that muslims don't perfom wonders/miracle, why is it that they don't speek in tongues? why don't they have the gift of holyspirit?, why don't they forsee future?. Why don't they do this, Why don't they do that? CAN ANYONE ANSWER ME PLSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Salam to you Jumain, firstly who do you refer to as Allah, the answer will inshallah let me proceed in answering your questions. you seem to be confused due to the environment you find yourself. I am not sure of your location but it appears you are in an environment dominated or surrounded by christians.

In islam big scholars like Imam ibn taymiyah (May Allah elevate his ranks) studied all opposing ideoligies more than the professors of those ideology, before he broke down these ideologies right from foundation. He tackled the extreme heretic sufis, shia, muslim heretic philosophy,adulterated christianity, dictatorship and oppression.

The lesson it teaches us all is uderstanding the opposing view helps in destroying it , not understanding his view will be tantamount to you getting more confused. That is why i have called the gentleman to a live debate to enable me gather his thoughts sincerely as i know loads about his faith to know it is not islam but a different religion.

Jairzinho:
The fact is we all see things from OUR OWN POINT OF VIEW ALONE !!!

May Almighty God grant us the ability to see things from another persons point of view for once !

This happens in every aspect of life. To be able to understand this dudes misguidance is to call him to a debate where he has the opportunity of explaining his views in light of the quran. He has not turned up so how do you expect anyone to see it from his view. Islam is an enlightened faith where everything is said with proof and understanding. This dude is a disciple of a fellow that has been ostrasized by the whole body of islam including shia and sunni due to his heresy and him being and impostor.

You are right brother its not meant to be a debate, i suggest we communicate outside Nairaland so we dont confuse others in here and we could have enlighten discussion.

The UK has produced more terrorist than any other western nation in the world, Nigeria produced one and we get all this crap.

These countries hate Nigerians they only have an excuse to perpertuate their hatred for Nigerians.

Saudis are not treated like that , in fact they are honourable welcomed because of their petro dolllars.

@Iwaboy thanks for your additional explantion and may Allah increase us in knowledge and deep understand and reward our efforts.

My people I beg you to forgive me and take time to read this long post as i just need to explain this very sensitive issue as current statistics say there are about 2 million infertile women in the US. In a country like Nigeria it is 1 in 10 women. source (http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/f/female_infertility/stats-country.htm)

iwaboy:
May Allaah reward you abundantly for your effort.
I want us to remember that the Prophet (SAW) was allowed by Allaah to do certain things which are, by sharia (Islamic jurispundence), either makru or even haram for the rest of us. His marrying more than four wives which is haram for the rest of us is just one of such permissions his Lord granted him.

Yes this is true , but all the special things (that affects us) and was permitted is known by the scholars of islam. Marrying an infertile woman can never be said to be a special exemption to the prophet as wives of earlier prophets were rendered barren till Allah heeded their call. Some sahabas had wives that never had children and Umar RA married two women that never had children although he divorced them later on. I do not think this is relevant in this case.

As to people using the internet taking what's there as the only valid opinion is unfortunate. I think such people should try to read wide so that we can all learn. Concerning other views as to the sharia stand on marrying infertile women, I expected you to quote these non-Hambali Schorlars so that we can all learn from them. Most of the issues that seem new today are not reaaly new, I mean schorlars have made extensive pronouncements on them. If you look at Adabus-Sifaf, al-Albaani too dwelt on it. For this reason, I usually feel more comfortable looking deep at schorlars opinion before forming mine cos I'm not a mufti but a poor student of knowledge.

True i should have quoted some but i dont want to quote them out of context and i havent been able to find the book i am looking for regarding the sharh of this hadeeth. Although the opinion i am saying is not just a concotion of my personal imagination but opinion of sholars on this view. Insha Allah when i lay my hands on it i will be able to reference it.

Please, concerning the commentary you gave on Surah al-Shura, V. 49-50, I'll be grateful if you can send me the name of the tafseer or mufaseer that presented the explanation in that manner.

The commentary is an amalgamtion of many tafseers on the matter and it stems from tafseer lughawi. I am a formal student of knowledge alihamdulilah and this explanation has been explained by two of my sheikhs who dont know each other and across the atlantic but said very similar things on this issue "No woman is created barren in islam". Tafseer ibn katheer (if you read arabic) explains the word khalq under the verse, also check tafseer ul quran by Ibn Ashur. One thing mufaseers do when running commentary on verses is to explain why Allah did not use a particular word and the resulting meaning. Arabic is a very rich language and understanding the spirit of the quran is really subject to understanding the language. Also, the deep meaning of the verse like i explained cannot be extracted from tafseer books just like that, one really needs good teachers and i was fortunate to have studied under some wonderful sheikhs who explained the tafseer of the quran in tremenduous detail.

To really be able to say if the Prophet (SAW) meant marrying an infertile person was makroo or not, we may need to look at the hadith of Ma’qil ibn Yasaar (quoted in earlier post) and its sharih from schorlars of hadith who I think are more qualified than us. To say whether a hadith is 'am(general) or khas(specific) needs some proper understanding of the science of hadith.

I again consulted a Sheikh with three PHDs in islamic sciences yesterday on this subject and he said the hadeeth can never be said to be 'am (general). He explained that this man was a young man at the begining of his life and the prophet wanted him to have children and grow the ummah as islam was at its begining. He went further to corroborate my opinion that this would be descrimination against women who by Allahs wish dont have children, he also raised the issue i raised on how do you know if a woman is fertile? as only Allah knows the unseen and looking at relatives again is just conjecture that cannot be proven right.

I will like to bring your attention to the fact that islam permits polygamy to protect women, so how will the same islam that permits marrying of four wives then descriminate on them on the basis of fertility. If one wife is infertile you can marry another wife not descriminate
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My dear brother i will like you to note that words of scholars could be rejected as they are humans as well and subject to mistakes only the words of the prophet PBUH can never be rejected. We have to use our intelligence to analyse issues and not practise "cut &paste " of hadiths or ayat , i mean literal interpretation. In usul ul fiqh there are several things we have to consider before using a single hadith to make a ruling, If a hadith appears to "contradict" other hadiths or ayats, there are ways to intepret it. I do not want to delve deep into usul ul fiqh here but i will like you to understand that the sole purpose of marriage is not to have children but companionship and prevention of zina. Allah says in the quran 30 v 21:
"And among His Signs is this that He created for you spouses of your own kind, that you may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy for one another: verily in that are Signs for those who reflect"

Having children is additional blessing to the marriage ans sura shurah vs 49 confirms that.

The reason why i am doing my best to hit home the point is because of the gravity of the word "makru" in this matter. It means if a man leaves a woman or refuses to marry her based on infertility then he will be rewarded by Allah. That is the implication of this ruling in lay mans term which cannot be so as this will contradict the spirit of islam and message of islam. Ibraheem and Zakariyyah PBUT had barren wives, the prophet PBUH had seven childless wives. We cannot use this one hadith to generalise a ruling, not forgeting the fact that the woman in question was most probably divorced or widowed. Not forgeting the fact that it is Allah that grants children and there is no woman created barren, not forgeting the fact that the infertitlity of a virgin woman can never be proven without medical examination, not forgeting the fact that in the hadith where the prophet PBUH listed four qualities men look for in marrying women he never mentioned fertility.

Some statements may sound to us as being discriminatory but, in the light of adequate and well informed commentory from our eminent schorlars, the actual intent of it will be clearer. For example, what will one say of a hadith in Sahih Muslim in which Abu Hurayrah said: "I was with the Prophet (SAW) when a man came and told him that he had married a woman of the Ansaar. The Messenger of Allaah (SAW) said to him, 'Have you seen her?' He said, 'No.' He(SAW) said, 'Go and look at her, for there is something in the eyes of the Ansaar." Can one say that's a discrimination against th Ansaari women? Of course not. How do we know with certainty? Through the explanation of our eminent shorlars of hadith.

The statement of the prophet in the first hadith is definately not descriminatory as it was a specific rule to one man , what is descriminatory is the ruling of MAKRU by some scholars which isnt the words of the prophet and can be rejected. Ibn qudamo(RA) is a great scholar with exceptional insight into fiqh and his work Al Mughni is a Hambali fiqh masterpiece and from your posts he also did not term it Makru but mandub to marry a fertile woman. However Al manawi in fayd ul qadeer termed it makru which could be a mistake on his part and every scholar made mistakes and we should not blind follow or "copy & paste" scholars in their mistakes when the evidence is established upon us. You quoted ibn hajar permitting marriage to an infertile woman or man but i dont think he termed it makru because you only use one ruling in fiqh and ibn hajar here used "permissible" amongst the five rulings and not Makru.


This hadith you quoted here is not descriminatory as this is the evidence of looking at your wife carefully before you marry her to see if you like her physical attributes, Lowering of gaze is not applied in a wife you genuinley want to marry. The additional explanation is this man is definatetly not an ansari man and probably a muhajir and the prophet PBUH in his practical wisdom directs the man to double check if he likes her as they are different to women he his used to. Indeed none of the words of the prophet can be said to be descriminatory and saying that could be tantamount to kufr but it is only scholars opinion or explanation that can be faulted.

Forgive me for dweling on this issue too much but I think the several readers of NL should be enlightened on this subject as some non muslims use issues like this to highlight islams oppression of women.

And God knows best

Tinubu will be a bad loser if Fashola gets impeached. 2011 will definately be interesting i hope some people dont pay with thier lives though as Williams did in 2007.

Eko o ni baje o

Katsumoto:
This is not completely true. IBB always avoids conflict. Danjuma gave IBB an order to get Dimka out of the radio at all cost. When IBB got there, he started negotiating with Dimka pleading with him to give up. When IBB tried to act as negotiator by informing Danjuma of Dimka's demands, Danjuma was livid and gave the order to blow up the radio station; again IBB did nothing. It was Major Chris Ugokwe who forced Dimka out of the station in a fire fight. IBB was a terrible leader and a coward but he was intelligent no doubt.

Yeah i agree with your story but my understanding is there is a fine line between bravery and intelligence. The repercussions of a full fledged fire fight with terribly drunk soldiers would not have been good. If Dimka had been killed in the fight , the true story of the coup would probably have never seen the light of the day and Bisalla would have been a free man. If you know what i mean.

IBB was indeed a terrible leader but i dont think he was a coward, he was just to smart to know confrontation sometimes doest achieve his desires.

ElRazur:
To be a General, one have to have fought a war and command an Army active in war. I am not so sure IBB have any of those. I am sure someone who knows better than me will give out the facts in a minute.

Despite the fact that i am in no way a fan of IBB and i believe he his one of our problems. The fact remains he was one of Nigeria most intelligent soldier, IBB did fight in the civil war and was a commanding officer in that war as well. IBB was a brave soldier that went to confron Buka Suka Dimka at Radio Nigeria in 1975 after it was known the Head of state had been killed. It takes a brave soldier to do that, because those coup plotter were terribly drunk and he negotiated intelligently to avoid a major bloodshed on that day, this was a time when OBJ had run into hiding and he was the NO 2.

It is not easy to be a COAS , you have to be indeed a fine officer which was why Buhari appointed IBB as the COAS although he was betrayed.

Yes IBB was a terrible leader but his courage and braveness should not be denied.

Crying for the bereaved is what even the toughest of humans will do , when he his alone as this was a wife of close to 40 years. Common guys we are all human!

Thanks for your question Ify
Allah says in the quran 5 v 6
"O you who believe! When you intend to offer As-Salat (the prayer), wash your faces and your hands (forearms) up to the elbows, rub (by passing wet hands over) your heads, and (wash) your feet up to ankles . If you are in a state of Janaba (i.e. had a sexual discharge), purify yourself (bathe your whole body). But if you are ill or on a journey or any of you comes from answering the call of nature, or you have been in contact with women (i.e. sexual intercourse) and you find no water, then perform Tayammum with clean earth and rub therewith your faces and hands. Allah does not want to place you in difficulty, but He wants to purify you, and to complete His Favour on you that you may be thankful.

2v222 ". . . . . .Truly, Allah loves those who turn unto Him in repentance and loves those who purify themselves (by taking a bath and cleaning and washing thoroughly their private parts, bodies, for their prayers, etc.)

The purpose of ablution is to purify ourselves spiritually and not really physical cleanliness although it is part of it. God loves those who are pure and want us to pray to him in cleanliness and spiritual cleanliness. The practise of purification with water is an age long thing practised by the Abarahim faiths and it is still done by the jews as well and I suppose the orthodox christians till date.

To butress that the purification is spiritual if there is no water, or the beleiver is ill and cannot use water to purify himself, we are told to use sand as humans are from clay anyway. Clean sand(like beach sand and sorts) or stone is touched by the believer dusts his hand and rubs his hand and face.

Praying to Allah is like communicating with him and the prophet PBUH said salah is the connection between Allah and we, hence the need to pufify themselves before standing before him.

And God knows best.

Beaf:
Fo.ol, there is something called a psyche.
It is a parents duty nuture their kids, mind and body. That boy cried out about his loneliness, not to his family, but to ears on the World Wide Web.


Funny guy. Does that sound like logic?

Gentleman! respect yourself, the fact that I disagree with your view and others doesnt give you the license to use such word for me. I do my best not to personalise issues or insult personalities on this forum. Respect begets respect.

His father is blameless that is my view and you are entitled to yours period!

See as you intimidate me sef, you wicked o. I call abu zola to you if u nor take time o.

Orkar remains a hero and i really admire the dude as i can never forget listening to that speech on radio Nigeria that fateul morning. I just think the huge mistake was annocing his intention straight away. Cutting out some states wasnt a wise thing to do and he made the coup sond like a ethnic or regional agenda. A true revolutionhas to be devoid of tribal or regional sentiments for it to succeed.

Orkar your memory remains in our hearts, he was a corageous man indeed, defiant to the last minute and died with courage. Not like General Diya who started to weep ocean of tears when caught pants down.

Muki Muki u neva sleep? I meant Abu zola should play by the rules of the forum so your majesty will not weild the sledge hammer on him   

On a side note thanx i got it

Sagamite:
Dumbo, failing (if you can call it that) in the upbringing does not mean the parents are responsible or to blame for terrorist attack.

Do all kids that do not get adequate upbringing feeling go out and try and kill as many people as possible?

What makes you think the kid might not have some depressive disorder that has not been diagnosed? Is that the parents fault?

Blame the boy for his actions and not the parents.

People blaming his parents are just frustrated envious folks who wished they had access to such parental care and financial well that would have sent them to the best schools.

It is only in Nigeria a thief steals and his whole family is arrested. Police mentality i used to think belonged to the men in black, NL has enlightened my mind to the fact that it is a deep rooted culture in some Nigerians intellect and mind.

Ya Abazola!! asad ul islam, just calm down although i feel your frustration. Play by the rules and avoid troubles with the authorities here on NL. Focus your energy and efforts to spread the dawah and elighten the non muslims and at the same time defend our faith wherever it comes under attack. May Allah be with you.

Welcome back i am indeed happy you heeded to my call  May Allah honour you as well!

Just too sad. Everything points in one direction , this lad was a very decent boy . where exactly did the train derail?

Me think this boy was radicalised sitting in front of the TV seeing muslims getting killed by US planes and drones, there is no better recruiting tool for alqaeda better than that.

There are thousands of British muslims who travel to study in yemen and yemen has many good institutes for learning and they come back to the UK as good citizens. I am of the opinion the boy was not radicalised in yemen but rather radicalised in UK or Togo in front of the TV. He travelled to yemen and met people who probably helped him translate his frustrations into action.

Jazakallah sister Fayzik may Allah increase us all in understanding and spark the zeal to acquire knowledge in all our hearts as knowledge is indeed light.

Sorry i just remembered bros iwa and me used some technical terms that everyone might not understand. There are five categories (with the exception of hanafis) of ruling in the shariah of islam

Wajib(Compulsory) - Reward if you do, iif you dont you commit sin
Haraam (Prohibited) - Reward if you leave, if you do you commit a sin
Mandub/mustahab/Sunnah (Recomended)- if you dont do it no sin, if you do you get reward
Makru (frowned upon) - If you do it no sin but if you leave the act then you get a reward.
Mubah (neutral)- no reward, no sin.

The Hanafi madhab have a slighlty different classification as they have 7 (which includes Fard and Sunnah as sperated categories). It doesnt matter at all as it is only a slight difference.

It seems this dude Usisky has made a runner, or his sponsors are still giving him points and argument to use or better still he his trying to bring them online. I just dont know why he has refused to come despite his boasting and apparent confidence.

Rashad khalifa is nothing but a dajjal, and i can only say nothing but la natu Allah ala Rashad Khalifa for claiming to be a messenger of Allah. If you were given money for this faith of yours at least you have some benefit but if you are truly conviced of this submission religion then you will need real help. This debate if you come might lead us insha Allah to some truth.

I remember PATAKI arguing with me and trying to incriminate his father in this plot. It is just plane foolishness for anyone to still blame a father who reportd his own son. How many fathers would do the same , perhaps these antagonist want his father tohave killed the boy.

cantell:
@All,
Patriotic my arse!
US reprisal would have been so hard for him to bear. They would have shoved their foot down his throat!
Hero indeed!

The same foot that was shoved on the Bin laden family and business emire in the US
The same foot that was shoved down the throat of the 15 saudi 9/11 hijackers
The same foot that was shoved down the throat of jonny walkers(Taliban fighter) dad a US justice
the same foot that was shoved down the 7/7 hijackers parents

Guy give me a break, US is not Nigeria where a thief steals and his whole family are arrested.

I really do and tears still want to drop from eyes for him. Killing of innocents is forbidden in islam and this boy was a very religious boy. I just feel emotions and depression wacthing US atrocities and killing of innocent muslims in Afghanistan,drone attaks in Pakistan , about 1 million killed in iraq , over 3 million orphans in iraq.

Watching these events on TV is enough radicalisation for many muslim youths. All the British guys caught for things like this say the same thing, they cant cope watching all this things. US needs to have a rethink about its foreign policy otherwise its only a matter of time before another Faruk makes an atempt.

I feel for him and at the same time happy it did not succeed as he would have the opportunity to reflect on his actions and seek forgiveness. Lets hope he doest get more than 10 years.

My Sincere congratulations to you Muhsin and you most definately deserve the award far more than me as I have been in and out of NL. Your educative posts are numerous and your hadeeth thread is definately a masterpiece thought, unlike me that hardly create any thread . I dont even know how i got nominated.

This was just a recognintion of everyones effort. Abuzola the lion of islam we do miss you, and i will like to praise your efforts on NL if you read this come back. Sister Uplawal, Ayinba,mukina,Zayhal, our aunty Fayzik , dominique and other sisters please you have all done well and may Allah reward you all.

Egbon Olabs we cannot match his tenacity and peseverance in tackling issues with the haters of islam, Babs,I,Fahad,iwalowa,blims,littleb and others may Allah bless you all. By the way where is Frizy?

Jarus keep the good work on, and let us all join hands and keep the dawah going. May Allah accept our efforts and reward us in full.

Also, Sheilkh Munajjid is most definately of Hambalis school background and he was a student of Ibn Baz Rahimullah. Al Mughni is the Hamabli manual and encyclopedia of fiqh wa usul ul fiqh. My saying this is just to give a broader view of the understanding as many people just get answers from internet sites understanding it to be the only valid opinion. I have read the sheikhs whole statement on this issue on his website islamicqa but as a student of knowledge i know there is another side to the statement of marrying a barren woman being Makruh, with all due respect to Sheilh Munajid but the prophet PBUH will never do a makruh act and he married women who were childless. Again I state that Umm Salamah was matured and could proabably not concieve again (except by Allahs leave) when the Prophet PBUH married her.

When we have one hadeeth, we have to bring all other available ahadeeth and verses of the qur'an together to make a ruling not literally interpreting a hadith on its own. I am in no way or form close an inch in knowledge to the respected Shaikh Munajjid, but i feel the opinion of other non Hambali scholars on this issue is more valid. Marrying a childess woman is not Makru. Marrying a virgin woman can never be said to be makru if her family had fertility problems. Children is soleley from Allah and I will like to make a categorical statement here although some might find it strannge "No woman is created Barren in Islam" Every woman can have a baby as long as Allah wills it and Zakariyyahs wife plus Sarah are examples to testify this. Medically concieving at that age is medically impossible but Allah made it possible. No matter what medicine says about a woman been unable to concieve, Allah can always make it possible as he did not create any woman barren. Your level of spirituality and knowing how to call on Allah can make a childless woman have children

“To Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. He creates what He wills. He bestows female (children) to whomsoever He wills and bestows male (children) to whomsoever He wills, or He bestows both males and females, and He leaves barren whomsoever He wills. He is full of Knowledge and Power.” (Surah al-Shura, V. 49-50)

Now the arabic of this verse 49 " Lilahi mulku samawat wal ard yakhluqu ma yashau . . . ." - To Allah belong the heavens and the earth and he creates what he wills.

50 is "Aw yuzawijuhum dhukra ana wa innatha wa yajal mon yashau aqiymon innahu alimun qodirun" - He bestowes male or female offspring and he renders barren who he wills.

Now in arabic Khalq (creation) and Yajal (changing of form/state) means different things. The making of a statue will not be said to be khalq but the word yajal will be used because the statues was from sand/stone which is the creation of Allah and humans only changed the form. Sometimes Allah also changes the form of his creatures like when Allah said in surah baqara vs 22 " Alledhi ja'ala lakum al ard firasha . . ."
" me have made the earth as a resting place (by spreading it and making it balance for man to walk on)." Note Allah did not use khalq , he did not say we created the earth for you as a resting place because the earth had been created before Adam for purposes only known to Allah but Allah said we made (ja'ala) m meaning we changed it is form for you.

Now to the issue at hand the creation of Adam is khalq and every woman was created with the ability to concieve and no woman was created barren. Allah only changes the form of whoever woman he pleases not to have children and he can reverse it back if he wills through dua and sorts. That is why Allah did not say in 42 verse 50 " Wa yakhlaqu mon yashau aqiymon" rather he said yajal.

I do not like going very deep into issues like this so as not to confuse people but on this occassion I just had to, so as as to butress the point.

Marrying a barren woman cannot be said to be Makru (frowned upon) as the Prophet PBUH never said so expressly, and he married women who were childless. Also no woman was created barren so why should anyone descriminate on women on that basis. It is encouraged to marry fertile women I accept, However fartility cannot be proven until after marriage so the application of this rule is theoretical for virgin women.The hadeeth quoted was a specific case and dangerous to generalise hence I disagree with the term of makru for marriage to barren women, It can only be said to be mubah.

And God knows best.

Maybe it was all a movie from the start

This is what I and folks like AKEEMOS have been screaming since yesterday. I was tagged a terrorist apologist for raising this issue and making Nigerians aware of the possible fall out of this incident.

Nigerians are to embroiled in stupid emotions and religious hatred or bigotry to make sensible analysis of the fall out of this incident.

Nigerians Beware, Let us resist any foreign intervention like AFRICOM and its like. AFRICOM in Nigeria simply means AL QAEDA in Nigeria. No one wants Nigeria to turn into another Pakistan.

Let us rise above our emotions, tribalism, hatred and use our God given intelligence to analyse issues

Jazakallah again for your post. I never disputed the authenticity of the ahadeeth i only questioned if it was and I can say i am satisified with its authenticity alihamdulilah. Now to the other issue Audhubillah i never also said the prophet PBUH was discriminatory or his statement was. How can i say that and saying that will indeed be kufr on my part, Audhubillah. I only questioned the interpretation based on the hidden knowledge of fertility belonging to Allah.
Your statement below

These two characteristics may be known in the case of virgins from the behaviour of their relatives, because in most cases relatives are similar in behaviour and characteristics.”

I beg to disagree with this as this cannot be proven in many cases, we have seen women not having babies and from a family with loads of children and vice versa. It will only be a speculation as a virgin lady cannot show these traits with out physical experiment.

I do accept that it is encouraged to marry fertile women. The ruling that it is makru to marry a barren woman has only being made (to the best of my knowledge) by Hambali scholars like Ibn Qudamo RH (great hambali scholar) while other scholars  from the other schools have fell short from calling it Makru as the prophet PBUH married women who did not have children.
We both agree that the act is mustahab/mandub and not wajib.

Having said this the practicality of determining a virgin lady's fertility is beyond human reason and the woman in the hadith was most definately not a virgin but divorced or widowed. The prophet never gave us a criteria of determining ferility and some few scholars only gave their opinion (with regards to relatives and the like - correct me if i am wrong though). Modern science proves this cannot be applicable in all cases or maybe most cases( Doctors and nurses pls confirm).

As regards women having many children, I stumbled on a hadith in Ibn Majah that gives 4 reason where a couple can decide to reduce the no of children
1. If the woman fears getting pregnant often will reduce her beauty and attractiveness to her husband
2. The health of the woman
3. Frequency of the child birth might affect the children themselves as pregnant woman might find it difficult to nurse babies.
4. Health of the father- which might reduce his ability to raise the children or look after them in a proper manner.

These four reasons can be put into consideration and anything outside this 4 is not considered strictly valid.

The fear of poverty should never be a detterent as it tantamount to kufr as it is Allah that provides for you yourself and it is him that will provide for the kids. There are many verses in the qur'an to support this and fear of poverty could translate to disbelieving inthe various verses stating this.

And God knows best.

ifyalways:
Seems some posts where deleted
@Nwa-uwa,which kain Kweshion be dis,karry your time ooh.
Lagosboy,still going through your replies,seems i missed some things,wud be back soon.

Always welcomed Ify , hope you had a wonderful holiday and you were up to great things. Yes i think some of usisky posts were removed as he used some language like my "demise" when i challenged him to a debate. I am still expecting him on the thread i created. Anyway lets not get distracted, go throught the replies and ask what you dont understand, otherwise you could carry on with your questions and queries Insh Allah

iwaboy:
I think it is wrong for anyone to refer to having many children as "looking for troubles" The Messenger of Allaah(SAW) is wiser than any of us and his advice was relevant during his life time, it's relevant today and will never lose its relevance till the end of time. If one goes into sayings of Prophet Muhammad(SAW), it'll be seen that he actually promised that marriage and having children warranted God's provisions and bounty, and he encouraged people to get married and to have children and raise them well. He also advised us to have many children.
Abu Dawood narrated that Ma’qil ibn Yasaar said: A man came to the Prophet (SAW) and said, “I have found a woman who is of good lineage and is beautiful, but she does not children. Should I marry her?” He said, “No.” Then he came again with the same question and he told him not to marry her. Then he came a third time with the same question and he said: “Marry those who are loving and fertile, for I will be proud of your great numbers before the other nations.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Irwa’ al-Ghaleel, 1784. In his explanation, Shaikh Salih ai-Munajid said,"This hadeeth indicates that it is encouraged to marry women who are fertile, so that the numbers of the ummah will increase, and so the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) will feel proud of his ummah before all other nations. This shows that it is encouraged to have a lot of children."
As for it being tough for some ppl, we should view poverty in densely populated nations as a problem of mismanagement of resources and disturbing the natural balance, rather than a result of the number of children born into each family.
Allaah knows best.
Consequently, we should view poverty in densely populated nations as a problem of mismanagement of resources and disturbing the natural balance, rather than a result of the number of children born into each family.

Jazakallah bro for the post and it is indeed insightful. However, with full and utmost respect to sheikh Munajid I  humbly disagree with the intepretation that we should marry women who are fertile. How does anyone know she is fertile , assuming she is never married. The woman in question was most probably divorced and might have had other issues, i will inshallah try to get a detailed sharh on the hadith if it is indeed authentic as Sehikh Al albani (Rahimullah) also made some mistakes in his classificaations which is only human. I really think there is more explanation to this incidient and it is not the simple interpretaion that was given. We do not interprete hadith without understanding the full context. Understanding the Usul ul fiqh of al the schools is important in this respect.

It is only Allah that knows the fertility of a woman, Aisha RA never had a child for the Prophet PBUH, Umm salamah was already matured when the prophet married her and she did not have a child for the Prophet PBUH. Several of the sahabiat never had children, and indeed a man is allowed to marry up to four women, if one is not fertile then others can be fertile. To discriminate against women on the basis of fertility is not islamic teaching as far as i humbly know.

I will inshallah research on this hadith and check all the available sharh on it. 

There is no clear obligatory ruling of islam on this issue but we are only encouraged to have more children to grow the ummah and make us stronger. Remember the families fearing lots of children due to society dont have a blame but the blame is on the lack of shariah at the governmental level which in turn will implement a zakah system to eradicate poverty. However at the same time we should always rely on Allah in all our affairs but use wisdom as well in making our worldy decisions.

And God knows best.