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This man is synonymous to rogue, he his chameleon personified, depicts the meaning of hypocrisy, he his in fact a walking 419 of the calibre of Mason in the US.

ifyalways:
Lagosboy,You missed one of the questions i asked u earlier.Why are men permitted to marry more than one wife?Is there any condition a man wud meet b4 he wud be allowed to take 2 or more wives?

Polygamy Hot subject even among muslim women that were born into islam .

Polygamy has been a practice amongst all nations of the world since time imemmorial, it was prevalent in arabia pre-islam, in the time of Jesus PBUH, Moses PBUH, Abraham PBUH. Islam only came to set a limit to it and the limit was in the quran Q4 v 3 " . . .then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one . . . The condition a man must meet is the ability to deal justice with them in human context. The justice mentioned is not love as that is beyond human control but equality in attention, time, gifts, material things and fair treatment of the women.

The wisdom behind polygamy is numerous and can never be over emphasised, there were more women than men in that time and even till date, men are the protectors of women in islam and a woman has the right to have a husband to take care of her materially, emotionally, sexually and sorts. If one man was to stick to one woman there will be loads of women without husband hence denied that marital experience made by God.

The companions of the prophet PBUH never used to live a woman single especially widows, divorced women , orphan girls, the companions used to take responsibility of these women providing their needs and being their husbands. Arabs pre islam used to have 10 or more wives but islam set a limit of four and whoever goes beyond that would have transgressed the limits set by Allah.

Somebody might say but things have changed in modern times so polygamy is not needed but i say a big No, there are still more women than men statictics tell us and polygamy exists in many cultures round the world but without guidance on how to practise it. In yoruba culture for example polygamy exists but the first wife will be called a senior wife and could boss the other wives around , In islam this is wrong as the wives will be equal and there is no senior or junior , this is not to say the younger wives will not respect the older or first wives. In hausa culture it is common practise when a man takes another wife he neglects the previous wives which is wrong in islam as the first wife should never be deined her right even if the man takes younger and attractive wives.

I dont like to delve into other faiths here but let me say that as far as i am aware no verse in the bible categorically prohibits polygamy as these was practised by many prophets of God in the bible as well. The references in the new testament about a man and his wife being one is subject to interpretation. Monogomy is more of a modern culture as to religious prohibition, The king of england broke away from catholism and formed the anglicn church because he was refused the permission to take a second wife.

Lastly, lots of people are hypocritical when it comes to this issue men will have one wife and 10 concubines who should have been dignified and taken as a wife rather than a mistress with no rights. Egbon Olabowale will be able to shed more light on this subject please as i dont think i have been able to do justice to this subject

ifyalways:
Lagosboy,You missed one of the questions i asked u earlier.Why are men permitted to marry more than one wife?Is there any condition a man wud meet b4 he wud be allowed to take 2 or more wives?
I asked abt the Muslim governing body cos i want to know what they are doing in terms of enlightement etc.I have been monitoring Muslims and Islams from afar for quite sometime and from the little i know,i think most of the problems we have arise from the fact that Muslim is a religion that demands total obeidence.PPl easily get misled esp the not-so-educated ones(perfect example is Northern 9ja).I wish the body is more outspoken,come out openly to denounce some of the fractions and pratices that are non-Islamic.
Abt the mosque and charms sometin,like i said it was not in 9ja,i saw it live and direct.I even asked the man some questions and he claimed some of the charms are got from The Koran.sumtin like a very funny contraception method. . .couples get their name written down on some slate,a verse of the Koran is written on same slate,slate gets cleaned out with water and wife drinks the water and voila,she becomes infertile.lol i find that very funny  .
Anyway,its all abt educating.The ppl that are in the know shld educate others,it wud really help.Hahahaha.

Oh yeah i get your reason, there have been loads of organisations in Nigeria. Some have been active in the past and some have not been active in the field of dawah. The problem with Nigeria is the earlier organisations were run by our fathers and they were a bit lax in their approach and the message wasnt appealling to the younger generations which created a vacum. However there has been a resurgence in the dawah in Nigeria especially in the universities which has created a positive ripple effect in the society. There is still much to be done in the dawah in Nigeria, i quite agree with you.

Could someone in the house shed more light on the islamic activity in Nigeria , I am not as curren tas i used to be and lost touch. Jarus or anyother person could you please help Ify out on this.

Regarding the talisman thing, please disregard what the man sid. There are a few cultutral practices that has been inserted into islam and such things are rampant in africa and asia, including a few arab countries. Most of them practices have nothing do with islam, many organisations have been active in denouncing such activities but some of these people stick to their practices.

Ify why not start to teach some people as well what do you think   

Wud answer the polygamy thing next

FayeZik:
May I suggest that apart from helping each other with advice and words of God. Can we all include each other in our prayers, especially whoever has a problem, concern or anything sha. May God answer our prayers. (Amin)

Please include me in your prayer tonight that Allah grants me my heart desires and my requests to him by virtue of his beloved names. Ameen

@Fayzik

Good job you done aunty, it is realy difficult raising kids especially girls in the west, I am happy for you that your two girls threaded on the right path. May Allah reward you and your husband for that. The prophet PBUH said in a hadeeth He who raises a girl well on the path of islam till she gets married will be close to him in jannah like the two fingers are close to one another.

tanimz:
@ Lagosboy, may Allah bless u and answer all your prayers.

Ameen Ya Mujeeb! sis and you too plus all the opressed muslims all round the world.

Where have you been you just disappeared from the thread we did miss you though

Welcome bro

You cheeky those are not considered muslims by the whole body of muslims all around the world for believing in another pfrophet Ghulam Ahmad of the 19th century.

Ify meant a governing body not sects or denominations or organisations.

Oh forgot the muslim governing body me was thinking of the isiewu

Yes there are are few bodies in Nigeria and i suppose the Supreme council for Islamic Affairs is the highest body in Nigeria, i could be wrong though. However in the north , there is the Jamatu nasrul islam and in the south there are a few bodies like Ansar u deen. Nawar u deen and co. Theses latter ones are more like organisations but the most political one is the SCIA headed by the sultan of sokoto with its secretary general being Dr Lateef Adegbite. On this question please anyone familiar with islamic events in Nigeria should help me out as this info could well be outdated.

Oh my GOD!!!!!! What can i say, What is my dear country turning into!!

These fools were tricked into this , damn these oyinbo are doing a great job countering 419 .

Shameless people, i wish Nigerian media could publish these photographs.

ifyalways:
The prophet fought 27 battles.kind of strange and not-too-good,IMO.  I meant a Muslim governing body.

Ify its not strange at all if you look at the historical context of the time, the arabs are very strong minded and tough people, they were very tribal and lived in dark ages before islam. The muslims brought a new social order and life that threatened the cultutral practice and order of the time, letting go of their practices was very difficult so the muslims were under constant threat from the Pagans. Without them battles, the muslims would have been uprooted and obiliterated by the pagans . Thus Allah send in the qur'an to the muslims "And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allâh, and for those weak, ill­treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help."  Q4 v 75

His battles were largely defensive and to save the muslims of the time from the pagans, jewish tribes and all other enemies of the new faith. Verily all the prophets of God faced resistance from their people and People like Noah,Hud,Solih PBUT all God destroyed the enemies himself but later on He commanded the believers to defend themselves and also to test their faith.

Noo,its ewedu and okro plus smooth amala with enough egunfe,kpomo,shaki . . . .etc.lol

That na yoruba food nah, i won proper igbo meal 

@Hymen,i swear its not just Lagosboy,there are lots of cool muslims out there esp non-Nigerians.I kinda cant understand why most Muslims from the North are T-R-O-U-B-L-E,them and the Arabs.My best friends are Muslims and they are sooooooo cool,peaceful and honest.

True talk Ify there are millions of muslims out there who hold true to their faith and seeing islam through them is accepting islam, however we also have bad muslims who appear to be islamic but dont hold true to the beliefs of islam. We are humans after all. Hymen I am sure the more you open your mind the more you will begin to appreciate muslims around you even here on NL, however please study islam without the pre concieved mindset of some bad muslims you might have encountered. Every has its bad eggs, although I am not a christian and I disagree with the christian ideology I have never castigated the whole of christianity never!! on the basis of some bad pastors or fetish practices and whole lot of things. There are indeed good christians, there were in the time of the Prophet PBUH and there are still some around till date.

@Lagosboy,i experienced this and i need answers ASAP 
I went to a mosque recently,outside 9ja and right in the premises,a talisman displayed his wares and ppl just coming out from prayers were patronising.Is this common?Is it allowed in Islam?

If you dont mind me asking, where is this mosque located because even as bad as things are with some muslims in Nigeria they will not sell such things in public glare. Are you sure of what you saw ? Because in the UK people sell things like perfumes in small bottles etc

Charms of whatever form is not islamic and in fact islam condemns it in the strongest of forms, the using of charms translates to SHIRK (associating partners with God) which negates ones belief in his ONENESS, hence negating ones  islam and such a person is indeed NOT a muslim even if he appears to be one or practices some islamic rituals.

As muslims we are to rely solely on Allah for everything from worship to guidance to sustenance etc. Relying on the devil or a jinn translates to not relying in Allah, such practices are what made the pagans of Makkah pagans not muslims as they believed in God but they worshipped him through idols. Hence, Ify if it is indeed what you saw then it is not islamic i must say but  could you describe exactly what you saw?

And God knows Best

Happy Birthday - belated

Chapelle.S:
This is the problem with Islam. They want to exist in a vacuum. Anyone who is not a Muslim is deemed an enemy of God. Islam needs reinvention and renaissance. Any religion that any of its sects sanctions terror is evil and requires change.

@ moderator

Plz send this post back to religion,I am not a Muslim before they lynch me.

I havent called you an enemy of God, neither is anyone lynching you buddie and you will always be welcomed here, you do not need to make unneccassay hype or alarm. You made a suggestion and i only offered you an advice to practicalise your suggestions. Reinvention and renaissance of a 1.7 Billion muslims worldwide could be championed by you, A faith with thousands of converts every year in the west might perhaps need a another renaissance championed by you.

You talked abt sects sanctioning terror, perhaps reading a bit of history of various jewish sect and christian sects in the world might make you eat your words and submit in humilty to your mistakes.

I suggested to you a while ago on the politics section that , you seem to be of high intellect and deep thought hence you should be this messiah and champion the reform needed, otherwise if you cant please withdraw into your shell and you will do muslims a favour by keeping your ideas to yourself.

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zayhal:
What are the definitions of these:

Hijab
Jilbab
Abaaya
Niqab
Burqa
Khimar

Hijab: means a veil in arabic and in the context of the qur'an "O, believers enter not the dwellings of the Prophet, unless invited… And when you ask of his wives anything, ask from behind a hijab. That is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. Q33v 53

Khimar: is from the root word Kh Ma Ra and it literarily means to cover, but in practical definition it means a head cover. According to dictionaries it is defined as head cover as well. In the context of the qur'an it says in Q24 vs 31 "And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent , and to draw their veils over Juyubihinna (i.e. bossoms.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands. [translation from Noble qur'an]
"wa liyadribna bikhumurina ala juyubihina" Q24 v31 . the word translated as veil is actually wrong and that is where some confusion lies to non arabic speakers. The word in that word khumurina which is the plural for khimar. Now after understanding that the word is head cover the verse should be translated as ". . . .draw their head cover over their juyubihinna "

Now after understanding the two definition it will be understood that what we generally call the hijab nowadays is actually khimar drawn to cover the chest, bossom etc.

Jilbab: is also a form of cloak and the quran says in 33 v 59 " Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks all over their bodies . That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allâh is Ever Oft­Forgiving, Most Merciful."
The arabic word translated as their cloak is "jalabiybhinna" which is plural and singlur will be jilbab/jalbab.

From the three definition above: we can establish the reason why muslim women wear jalbab and wear the hijab which is khimar drawn over their bossom.

Nikab: literally means "to make a hole" contextually it means making a hole in aface cover so the eyes can see. I do not think exists in the quran linguistically(as far as i know) in relation to womens clothing but nikab is the veil which covers the face after you have worn the jalabab and the hijab. This is not compulsory in islam.

Burqa[b][/b]: linguistically refers to veiling the face as well. Practically nowadays, it is a single clothing comprising of khimar, hijab,jalbab,nikab - all in one. You wear it and all is covered, this kind is common in Afghanistan and might have been developed culturally and locally. It could be found in south west Nigeria and used by the women in "purdah- elehas". Again the burqa is not compulsory in islaam according to the majority of scholars.

I hope i have done a little explanation to the definition, anyother person could insha Allah shed more light on this.

And God knows best

@No2atheism

Buddy you are more than this article you posted here, you should have readit before posting it.

Jaybee2412:
This story has no iota of truth. I live in the UK and work in a public establishment as a civil servant. I can assure you that nothing has changed. The British public are so much civilised and understanding than to visit the crime of a foolish 23 year old on all law abiding Nigerians. This is a fictitious write up.

I have not seen anything of this nature like i said , the writer is a semi illiterate dude

texazzpete:
Sane voices in the islamic world should be preaching against a Jihad that encourages the slaughter of innocent civillian non-combatants, not blaming every attack perpetrated by islamic extremists as a conspiracy between the US and the 'zionists'.

True talk and sane voices in the islamic world have done this for years and will continue to do it. However raising issues like this when it matters should not be looked at in a wrong manner.

I am not one of muslims who believe 9/11 was done by anyother than alqaeda, i dont believe in many conciparacy theories but on this one i have my doubts and i am not the only one this. Several British commentators have began topick holes on this as well. Just take a look at comments on times and guardian websites and you will see the opinions of people on this particular terror incident.

Jairzinho:
^^^^ I completely agree with Lagosboy,lets be open minded.

Stereotyping is dead wrong- Igbo,yoruba,muslims are that,christians are this. . . a deep mind never generalises,rather offer/proffer superior arguments. . . . .stereotyping is plain wrong !!

Good talk buddie

ElRazur:
Omo don't be tripping. I gave reasons as to why I called you an apologist. You ARE STILL doing those things, but clearly you are in denial. I am not the only who have noticed this, so it aint an attack on you as a person, but your views and style on nairaland [as per the issue of the pata bomber].

No you don't have to apologise, it could be worse, you could have called me a Muslim.

Well , you are entitled to your view, i am not the only one who holds this view but the only reason you and your firends in this have called me this is simply because i am a muslim and probably the only one to be very vocal about this issue. The other muslims have probably being on the defence and i chose not to. I stick to my opinion and views and you lot could call it whatever you like but i repeat it ithat it s views like yours that silence the sane voice in the islamic world, all what you guys want are muslim aoplogist. I refuse to be one.

Now forget about me and let us go back to the issue at hand.

tunku:
It isn't myopic. I consider England a font of Islamic Terror, I mean with sympathizers like you in their midsts it would make absolutely no sense to leave it out of the list of countries to be profiled. BTW I am not limiting it to Islamic countries, only starting from the most logical starting point. I'd certainly focus on muslims. Wasn't Reid also Muslim? I mean that is the fu.ucking point of commonality they all share. Islam. Think you bleeping asshole. But then again you are not Nigerian. Never grew up in Nigeria, Never feel the bleeping blowback of all the negative externalities you assholes heap on those of us who work hard to at least create an image of Nigerian as hardworking people despite all the other crap we have to deal with. Yeah, go hug it out with you paki muslim brothers in jihad.

I thought i could hold an intellectual debate with you but from the rants above i wil add you to the list of people i simply ignore their posts. I called your attention to name calling but you only increased it, emotinal rants dont work for me. I felt tempted to reply you but the prophet PBUH said "the strong is not one who lets his anger overcome him but the strong one is really the one who is able to overcome his anger when angry" I will hold back fire,

texazzpete:
you easily call someone a 'christian zionist' yet you take umbrage at being called a Muslim fanatic.

Out of curiousity, what exactly are the holes in the official story you speak of?

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That was a reaction to him calling me a terrorist apology afer i have asked him to stop, he does it on purpose and now i care less about what he says and he sounded like one. I prefer to debate issues not attack or cast aspersions on a persons character so as to pu a cloud on his statements.

I will be honourable enough to say[b] i am sorry [/b] for calling him a christian since he his not.

I need to concentrate on the arsenal game, will be back

tunku:
I'd certainly profile anyone from England. It appears that is the nexus point for Islamic fanatics.

Now you are begining to see my point and the myopic thinking of this labour MP.

tunku:
You are the only one who thinks that muslims are a race buddy. I never made that assumption. If I did I'd stupidly say profile all arabs. It isn't that hard to spot out must muslims by name, country of origin, country of departure, and destination. Profiling doesn't just look at race only.

you keep mentioning muslim country as country of depature and stuff. Bro you dont know the reality of things, more terror suspects caught recently in the west are western, they dont come from muslim countries but western countries, there are white cacasian muslims who dont have muslim names but english names. They dont fit the profile how do you spot them out.

I dont dance with the crowd , i use my brain and intelligence.

I need to enjot this arsenal game will be back later

tunku:
Lagosboy[b] stay in lagos you [/b] parochial sentimentalist. I absolutely support profiling when it comes to certain modes of crime.  Hell, most non muslims have no interests in blowing up planes. I think it is not beyond anyone to conclude that muslims have a monopoly on terror by plane when it comes to Attack against Western Countries. That is not to say that Muslims are all terrorists, but it makes sense to single them out when it comes to airports because when was the last time a non muslim had any intentions of crashing a plane or using it as a weapon? When it comes to truck bombs i'd suspect a white guy before anyone else (McVeigh) and when it comes to Airport/plane security profile everyone from a Muslim country and with a Muslim Background. It's been done to Obama before and it should have been done to Farouk.

Calm down bro , no need for personal attack. I dont live in lagos rather i am lagos british boy  

My statement remains the same use profiling and alqeda will simply get someone that doesnt fit the profile. It is as simple as that.

My point is muslims trannsends a particular race, how do you know a white guy with a name john smith is a terrorist. He doesnt fit the profile of a pakistani or a somali young guy.

How do you know a Brazillian muslim with the name Alphonso marcus is not a terrorist it doesnt fit the profile.

3 months ago a Nigerian student with a name umar will not fit the profile as well.

Guy this is a reactionary method, i repeat. They want to copy the israeli method but the forget israeli deals with a homogenous set of people and not as multicultural as the West.

2 months after 9/11 Richard Reid was able to get on the plane , he was white, english name, British.


Have a deep think about it.

ElRazur:
Lagos boy,

Sir, I am of the belief and opinion that you are a terrorist apology. Pardon me, but from my observation of your posts, you are either making an excuse of some kind - while ignoring the facts at hand. Then you appear to be vocal in any thread that suggest it is some sort of larger conspiracy of some kind. Can you explain these?

For how long do you think you can carry on like these for before people bring these up?

9/11 was done by Alqaeda and we condemned it,Madrid bombins was by alqaeda and we condmened it, 7/7 by alqaeda and we condemened and I dont believe any foul play in any of this

But on this occassion the story doesnt add up for me El Razur and you can say whatever but that i chose to use my brain instead of dancing along the popular perception os not a crime.

You are just a selective reader , you choose what you want to read in my post and pick on what you like, otherwise you will have read where i condemend it if indeed it was a terrorist attack, but asking genuine questions where story doesnt add up is what i feel is right.

It is people like you that silences the sane voice in the muslim world, muslims who are not exremist in thinking but vocal in expressing their opinions and vocal in condemning the foreign policy of other countries. By silencing this kind of opinion is to make the youths react back in terror tacticts ans that is how they feel their voice will be heard.

Your posts only depict a right wing thinking and i have a feeling you are one of the modern christian zionist.

I reject this in totality as it will be counter productive, now tellme how do you tell a muslim apart from a non muslim except the name. Terrorist will just need to use an english name and escape profile whatever. There thousands of Caucasian muslims in the UK, thousands of Black Carribean muslims with english names , thousands of south american muslims with spanish names.

It is this kind of myopic knee jerk reaction that inflames the already bad relationship. The only people that will suffer will be pakistanis,arabs and muslims with beards and robes. Experience have taught us terrorist do not appear to be muslims except in their name.

The Muslim MP is just talking political in order not to offend the labour party heirachy, he might even lose Birmingham because of his silly comments.

Rubbish article by a semi illiterate journalist. The UK has produced the largest number of western terror suspects, most of the terros suspects are radicalised in Britain before heading abroad. Nigeria alalgedly produced a "terror suspect" and we writing such useless article. Rather we should be assertive in our statement pointing fingers at the UK for radicalising our youth, herbey deflecting any blame from Nigeria ,that will be a good counter PR.

There hundreds of UK citizens in Belmarsh for "terror" offences and never has a single Nigerian anywhere in the world being caught for such. 21/7 had a ghaninan suspect and no one screamed about Ghaninas.

Let us use our intellect please!!

May the almighty Allah who called himself to lord of peace,good health, comfort  . . . . As Salam shower his salam on you as you have submitted to his Salam. Salam his from him and he his Salam and to Him we will return in Salam, may he heal you and grant tranquility to your heart. Stay strong bro  . . . . . inna Allah ma asabirin.