₦airaland Forum

hymen:
Lagosboy ,you are really cool dude,I strongly believe you should be a Christian. I see the genuine fear of God in you ,because no muslim i have met accepts this:

Thanks for your comments hymen but I am a muslim  and with the mercy of God will die a muslim  . Perhaps we could open another thread to explain to you why i am not a christian or by the mercy of God will never be one. You could stay on the thread and learn a bit more about islam with an open mind, perhaps you would sense its beauty and purity. It is a shame many non muslims meet muslims before they meet islam, If you meet islam before the muslims , becoming a muslim would not have been so difficult  . Muslims are not pefect and are human beings but many are far from islam in practice. 

As a follow up to the fatwa question,how can this law possibly affect non-muslims & non citizens of the country the fatwa was declared. Secondly ,don't you think we would be going back tothe era of vigilantes ,if people are instruted to kill another person,as in the case of the somali man arrested 3 days ago trying to kill the danish cartoon author?

No we do not believe in jungle justice in islam, vigilantes and sorts cannot kill without a judicial process. In an islamic state there are courts and the "leader" charges the suspect to court where the qadi will judge. The Somali man acted on his own and no one instructed him to do so, he believed that would have been the judgement and went to act on his own. However in an islamc state the citizens will not act on their own but there is no true islamic state presently which is the reason for some confusion.

Non muslims living in the islamic state the law affects, but in a non muslim country , I honestly cannot say. In islam half of knowledge is to be honest and say "I do not know". On this one i dont know but could find out.

N.B find some spare time to go through the whole thread , perhaps some of your questions/reservations might have been answered

hymen:
Hi Lagosboy,
I would like to know why Islam permits a human being to issue a death sentence on another human being (called a fatwa) without any trial as in the case of Salman Rushdie??

Is God not able to punish injustice to him? A somali man was caught in Denmark yesterday trying to kill the controversial cartoon author,in response to a 'fatwa'. Why is this?

Welcome Hymen,

In islamic jurispudence , fatwa does not mean death sentence, I dont know if you have read this thread completly because Ify asked a similar question already and i answered her. Fatwa is an edict, an intepretation of the law regarding the application of the law to our daily affaiirs. What Salaman Rushdie and this Danish dude did were terrible acts of blasphemy spiced up with unfounded lies. In an islamic state these acts will be considered as treasonable felony, the culprit will face a judiciary and it will be determined if he his of sane mind and his reasons for such. The punishment is indeed death penalty without mincing words and being honest as the well being of the society is greater than any individual, any act that could destablise the islamic state and sow the seeds of sedition, mischief and corruption has to be uprooted from the roots and not branches to prevent chaos in the state.

In the case of Rushdie, the fatwa was by Ayatollah in Iran and i want to believe it was a symbolic one to ward off future acts , otherwise they could have eliminated Rushdie silenly without the hulabaloo of a publicised fatwa. I am not a shia which the ayatollah is but i know he his a trained Jurist of the shia islamic jurispudence. There is what we call trial in absentia in law and the Secular courts practise it as well, the ayatollah would have carried out such and determined that was the punishment.

Blasphemy against any of the prophets of God  PBUT all , is a crime in islam that is why we do not show images of any of the prophets neither do we believe Jesus PBUh is the blonde blue eyed pony tailed image seen in the world. When a cartoonist understand this is a taboo in Islam why stir the Bee's nest by a well calculated and deliberate infamous act. All religions are to be respected and in Islam we are not meant to curse the gods of other faiths, we are never to destroy churches , fight monks and so on. we could debate and destroy the foundations of the other religions intellectually but not ridicule their prophets as they our prophets as well.

And God knows best.

Jairzinho:
@paddyboi,this contradicts your posts

Everyone complained that Bush was unreasonable by being a warmongerer & dealing civil liberties a deadly blow. Now we have a more reasonable guy (Obama) you say he's a lame duck?? Did he ask Farouk to decide to blow himself up? The man was on holiday in hawaii for Christ sake,what has he done wrong? Lets not be quick to lay blame untill we have our FACTS ! right now everything quoted here is PURE SPECULATION. If obama fails,muslims & Africans WILL definitely suffer as the next republican president will go al out to deal with real $perceived 'enemies'.Remember the 'Bush doctrine'. The initial blame should be on radical islam ,later we can begin to look at conspiracies.

Bro, My calling him a lame duck is that i want him to take on the zionist lobby in the US. He went to Cairo to say the israeli settlements are illegitimate and 6 months later he sang another tune backtracking. No matter what he does the Israelis will not be pleased with him as he his not from the type of background they like. Israel has a terrible right wing govt and the earlier Obama uses some power to send powerful signals to them the better. I think Obama is threading softly because of the 2nd term thingy oterwise he should be wise enough to understand these people will do all they can to mes him up

violent:
Intercontinental bank shares now sell for less than 2 naira, thts not even up to the price of pure water, more than 95 percent loss.

And the dude is cooling off in his apartment at Chester Terrace probably telling himself "Am the smartest of all" while shareholders mourn their losses.

I bet you see why he deserves to be shot or his hands chopped off to show some mercy to him.

People forget the allegatiion here is she granted 70% of entire bank loans to herself and children.

That is enough crime to get her hands chopped off

By the minute things are getting clearer, it is only the blind that will not pick holes in the official story and all major media outfit are complicit in this movie. Otherwise why is there no conflicting view aired on the media at least to give people another side of the coin.

Imagine bloody 3D scanners and some bloke seeing the size of a womans privates and stuff, why not let us all walk naked at the airports fo rthe sake of some bloody ambious security. The fact remains no amount of security can stop a person willing to kill himself and others, worse this was all ochestrated. Obama is appearing by the day as a lame duck, all these zionist apologist should be gotten rid of. The US should protect itrs own interest not of a 3rd party state.

Epiphany:
Honestly, i am really tired of hearing these things. I am even more tired that NOTHING will be done about all these atrocities.
Is it not just a few weeks ago we heard that Ibori was absolved? What are we really to do? Should we trust the judicial system?

These are the kind of people armed robbers should go robb and chop off their hands not robbing poor people.

the judiciary is a fraud , last week chief judge sweared in another chief judge, judges of illegality. I wonder what is jusdiciary that has a chief judge position subject to legality

Abeem:
Those asking for source of the decline in Obama's popularity/ratings among the Jews, check this out:

http://www.israelforum.com/blog_article.php?aid=2473239

Good job mate

Jairzinho:
You have a point in countries interfering with each other-the pakistanis do it to india,Afghanistan,Iranians are involved in iraq,GCC countries,yemen(Houthi rebels),US is all over the world. This isn't new. Only Nigeria has little intelligence gathering  

But I don't think we should blame[b] israel for everything (or the US),its just too easy[/b]
. And people that analyse issues shouldn't think like that. All these countries have legitimate internal problems.

I strongly feel,Farouk passed through via a combination of carelessness & the sheer volume of Holiday travellers. he chose the perfect day- Christmas day !

Trust me i dont blame Israel for everything and i am not one of those people who do such bu tthat doesnt erase the fact to the interferance and complicity of this aparteheid trouble maker in the world . Also, I am of the opinion that if there is no thief in the house an outside thief will not come

Jairzinho:
i need to see the correlation bro. . . .he is allied to Al qaeda which believes its a religious duty to kill Americans. . .so the boys motiation is clear.

How Muttalab senior's alledged links to CIA or Israel comes into the picture Im yet to understand.

Yes Israel gains by the racheting up of terror & all,but to opine that israel somehow has control over Al Qaeda is largelu ludicrous. I know for a certainty that you CAN NEVER enter any of the ME countries if you have as much as visited Israel before,that shows the height of the animosity btw them ,so lets be objective pls.
The article is full of hearsay & little facts.

Bro, Yemeni govt says miltiants with ties to israel were caught in Yemen.
There are several militant cells that have israeli spies in them, In iraq a few of them were caught, sometimes apparent militant actually work for the Mossad to help the cause and his followers never understand this.

Alqaeda is not what it used to be, it is fragmented and largely auotonomous. Bin Laden would never have known about this plot. Militants just use the name alqaeda as a brand name and nothing more. Mossad penetrating Alqaeda cells in Yemen is very possible and they could have facilited this act. The boy i beleive was just a naive sacrifical lamb.

No one suggests the actual alqaeda core have anything to do with Isreal but all these splinter groups could well pass as anything and could be used as pawns as well. Pakistan as an examples have lots of attacks that cannot be traced to the militants and the questions is who is carrying out some of these deadly attacks , pakistanis point accusing fingers at India and Israel. The Pakistani taliban exist no doubt but not all the attacks are carried out by them. Mossadd will never allow peace in Pakistan as a muslim country with nuclear weapons is a live threat to Israel.

Jairzinho:
Please back this up !

This is a well known fact that his approval is btrw 5 -10% , anyway i will do a search and place a reference

In Sanusi's words this woman deserves to be shot or better still her hands chopped off.

Jairzinho:
Ok,he has CIA,israeli links,SO HE SENT HIS SON TO BE BLOWN UP !!!!!

No where in the post did the article suggest that, no one here is saying that. All we are trying to do is establishing the connections involved this plot. Looking at the whole issue from a broader spectrum.

@Texapette

The issue here is it appeared he beat the security in amsterdam and did not present his compromised Nigerian passport because of Yemeni visas.
The issue of Mutallab snr having connection with Mossad can never be rejected as quite a few powerful Northern dudes have connection to Mossad and i have mentioned some already.
Acknowledged the poster was wrong on the no fly list thing but faruk was on the larger watch list.

The issue here is not saying the article is 100% right but as an intellectual which i suppose your you should find the missing link in this whole issue interesting. You should try to answer the un answered questions.
Someone says why would the CIA want to bomb a US plane , i say welcome to the world of intelligence. The Mossad could penetrate the CIA and have double agents in there, what we are saying is this could be a well planned Mossad operation with some complicit elements in the CIA. Farouk i believe could have been a naive pawn.

If this is true, then the military might take over Nigeria if Jonathan doesnt act fast.

Another thing is there was a report about somebody wanting a residence visa in malaysia , but was refused because he was on US watch list and the malaysian intelligence had been watching him since he entered malaysia although the dude was innocent. Now tell me if such a country could act on US watch list , how on earth would his name not be flagged at schipol despite all the intelligence CIA recieved.

Nigerians let us use our brains!!!

Sanusi is a terrorist
Sanusi is a tribalist
Sanusi is pursuing a nother agenda
Sanusi wants to implement shariah
Sanusi wants to sell the banks to islamic bank

Honestly Nigerians are the most ungrateful bunch of people on earth, we are myopic in thinking , blinded by our religious affliation, brain blocked by our tribal allegiances and intellectually enslaved by our own parochial mind.

How on earth could this fool steal peoples money and he claims to be a pastor, Cecilia steals as well and she sits in the first rows.

Sanusi says they desrve to be shot and some people say he his crazy for that statement, now tell me what should shareholders do some of which have complained on this thread.

paddyboi:
u can say that again obama is basically clueless on this one. . .

another thing obamas popularity in israel is around 5%. . . .yes thats right,they dont trust him

they think he is too soft on iran,and the israelis cannot handle iran alone

they need the u.s to help take out those iranian nuclear sites

i say before the end of this yr,we will see some kind of action in iran

as time is running out for the israelis. . .

You are absolutely right, the most popular man in the world but is inpopular in three places for 2 different reasons.

Afghanistan for obvious reasons
Pakistan for drone attacks
Israel (5% approval) for not attacking Iran.

Obama will be the greatest fool if he attacks Iran , with aall the US bases within Irans reach. Israel doesnt care abt US interest but only about their selfish interest.

Salman al ouda himself was imprisoned for several years in Saudi prison for alleged extremist ideology. However , since his release he has toed a diferent line and campaign. Well I suggest this sheikh to talk to his govt first for unwarranted aggression against the yemeni rebels. Saudi Arabia is a destablising force in that region, it is a US stooge fighting and inteferring in Yemen internal affirs.

The sheikh needs to tell his govt whose royals control 30% of US economy to invest money to their next door neighbout in Yemen who suffers from abject poverty. Perhaps if there wasnt rife poverty Al qaeda might not thrive in such places. Yemen is in turmoil not because of religious extremism but lack of development. They are fighting the houthies in the west, southern socialist in the south, alqaeda in the east.

Sheikh ouda we all know terrorism is bad but speak to your government first before commenting on outside issues.

The issue is people fail to use their God given intelligence in issues like this. Their emotions overide them and they make knee jerk comments. The scream concpiracy theories and fail to look at the loop holes in the official media.

In my opinion Obama doesnt know jack shit about this, but the Mossad want to bring him down at all cost and the republicans will do all they can as well. There are several rich northen nigerians with strong links to the mossad like IBB, General Gusau and a few others. the run arms deal and several other things. I remember Abachas strike force were trained in isreal as well.

tundewoods:
@ Paddyboi, Lagos boy

U guys have been watching too much TV,so why not get some rest and shut down your PCs.

don't bring another dimension to this already complicated story,

Bro i brought this dimension to it the first day in fact, i did raise a suspision about CIA complicity in this crime. It is complicated but Nigerians desrve to know another dimension to this story.

This is really food for thought. I raised this very issue the day this incident happened and i sang the same song : the whole story doesnt add up i was called a terrorist apologist by El razur, obtiose to facts by pataki. Well, this is a very interesting piece while i am not claiming it is 100% true it is certainly food for thought and adds another dimension to the whole story.

Terrorist blow up a plane mid air - Faruk blew his on landing
Terrorist would have blown it in the toilet - Faruk blew his on sit with everyone seeing him (some people say it was cos of the fuel tank but there could not have been a guarentee of the sit bearing in mind he checked in 25 mins before depature).

Faruk might have been used without his knowledge and for all i care the explosives might not be what it is claimed to be in the media. Charging him with a max sentence of 20 yrs indicates something fishy. Lesser terrorist crimes in the bush era attracted 100 or more yrs in prison. Richard Reid got 100 plus years. Sheikh oma abdulrahman got 99 years even though he was blind, shikh Ali Tamimi got something similar, Johny walker got like 40 years. All these crimes were lesser crimes.

Let us think, I am not making any assertions but only trying to stimulate our intelligence in looking at this issue deeply

She is both.From the day she accepted to be the mouth piece of this govt i knew her popularity was on the verge of a steep decline . About 1 year or less she hyas indeed proved us right.

stillwater:
Nobody in his right senses would condone what these agberos do. Tinubu must be a mad man then.

He certainly appears to be

In as much as the write up appear to be written by a secondary school student because of its amteurish presentation, I would like the good people of NL not to think Fashola is a saint. Lets be resonable otherwise we would get the real shock of our lives when the media battla between Tinubu and Fashola begins.

Yes Fashola has done some wonderful things and surpasses his other governors in perfomance but that should not becloud our thinking and sense of judgement. The allegationn of this contractor should be investigated and we should be told if the contracts were publicy tendered before award. There are several dirty deals going in Lagos state and none of use should be naive in thinking our Dear Fashola is free of corruption.

ifyalways:
what does Islam say abt sex before marriage?
Is there any Muslim governing body in Nigeria?

Sex before marriage is forbideen in islam and sex is permited between married couples. Sex before marriage is classified as fornication and we call it Zina in arabic. There is no other view to this in islam it is straight a NO.

I will have to ask you what exactly you mean by a governing body, do you mean an umbrella for muslim organistions or a muslim government? This is my own first question to you , haba i deserve to ask you as well nah


I saw you were the culture poster of the year congratulations to you o, but we suppose wash am nah How we go was am , isiewu with some ogbono soup go match yelllow garri o.

ifyalways:
Lagosboy,its 2010.welcome to the year,have a good one too.
Did the prophet fight any war whlist alive?

Thanx Ify, its another day another year, seasons greetings to you 

The Prophet PBUH did fight a few battles in his life time, and he led by example in those battles just like earlier prophets PBUT fought battles for the cause of God on earth. From David to Solomon,Moses to Joshua PBUT all. The Prophet PBUH was given the message of prophethood and for 13 solid years he beared the most difficult of humilation and sanctions from the pagans of arabia. He only had 70-100 converts and they were tortured , punished and a few were murdered yet he did not fight them neither did he retaliate,even his strong companions like Hamzah RA (his uncle) wanted to retaliate but they prophet PBUH always insisted my Lord has not commanded me to fight so let us bare this with patience. The Prophet PBUH and his companions were exiled from Makkah to the deserts for three years and embargo was placed on them not to trade with anyone and non of the pagans were permitted to deal with the muslims, to the extent that the muslims went 17 days without food but they survived on few dates and water. It was the peak of sufferings indeed and sanctions are not new to muslims when some western countries sing sanctions, our beloved Prophet and the early muslims went through difficult sanctions for nothing except the believed in Allah. Like Allah talked about the early believers of old "  . . .They had nothing against them, except that they believed in Allâh, the All-Mighty, Worthy of all Praise" Q85 vs 8

Another example was when the Prophet went to preach to a people in the village of ta'if, he went to spread the word of God but he was humilated and stones were thrown at him, it was indeed a horrible incident. He prayed to God and angel Jibreel came down and asked the prophet to command him to destroy the people of ta'if for their serious crime. The prophet PBUh asked angel Jibreel to spare them and perhaps their children would become muslims and indeed after few years the whole village accepted islam. That was the mercy of the prophet and indded Allahs says in quran " . . . You are indeed a mercy to mankind".

However, after the migration of the Prophet PBUH to medina (quite a long story, insha Allah we would talk about this another day) The number of the muslims grew slightly and after some few skirmishes between the pagans and a few muslims a battle broke down. The command to fight was revealed:
"Permission to fight is given to those (i.e. believers against disbelievers), who are fighting them, (and) because they (believers) have been wronged, and surely, Allâh is Able to give them (believers) victory. Those who have been expelled from their homes unjustly only because they said: "Our Lord is Allâh." - For had it not been that Allâh checks one set of people by means of another, monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, wherein the Name of Allâh is mentioned much would surely have been pulled down. Verily, Allâh will help those who help His (Cause). Truly, Allâh is All-Strong, All-Mighty. Q22 v 39

This battle was the first Battle in islam it is called the Battle of Badr, the miracle of this was that the muslims were 313 and the pagans were 1000. Indeed muslims do not fight based on number but their belief in and trust in Allah. God granted the muslims victory and the enemy were repelled. The battle was led by the prophet personally and it was the first of around 27 battles he phsyically led. Medina and its transit trade route became a bit safer for the muslims to move around.

This battles should be looked at with the eyes of the historical context of old, when wars were the means of settling issues and it is still the same till now and wars will be forever fought till the end of time. The jews fought wars , the chritsians did , the earlier Prophets of God did and it is the practical reality of the world we live in.

The Prophet was a complete leader,general,statesman, economist , politican and a Prophet of God.

And God knows best

Mekusxyz:
Agbero[b]ism[/b] is a form of employment for many folks in those parts. Do you want Fasola to render them unemployed?

Such empoyment is an illegitimate employment. A lazy street king sits down surrounded by several women, and his boys go tax hard working commercial drivers. Imagine if all the money collected from the drivers was just toll fare, and the revenue ploughed back for road maintenance , one could imagine the level of success that will be witnessed.

Those boys are nothing but lazy cows who constitute the highest level of environmental pollution in Lagos state. They are no different from armed robbers and some of them are armed robbers at night.

@Poster. Every soul shall taste death.

The talk of nemesis and sorts is irrelevant here,as her time came and she died. Marriage to whomever is her choice and that is their private lives which doesnt concern any of us.

what could concern us is only Dele giwas death.

Agberos first blossomed during the reign of Adeniji Adele as Lagos island chairman in 1991-1993, he pampered them and spoilt them. When the military went back to full govt in 1993, Agberos was reduced as those soldiers were no nonsene guys, even Marwa did a wonderful job in checkmating armed robbers and agberos.

However just immediately after or probably late during abdusalami era things started to deteroriate,Tinubu was the manure that fertilised the unprecedented growth of the agbero menace. From the Bomboy in Oshodi to the chiefs in lagos island , to the 36 kiniun they all worked for him and they are his joker during elections. In 2003 Tinubu gave out brand new new jeeps to some agbero heads to checkmate Williams. These agberos are what Tinubu will use to checkmate Fashola himself during election rigging in 2011. Fashola should get rid of them before the help in getting rid of him

hymen:
I really mean this from the bottom of my heart,if indeed this is how you are and not Al Taqqiya,then indeed we have very reasonable people in Islam in nigeria & I will be more open minded from now on. Well done bro. . .

Thanks for the comments sis but honestly the concept of al taqqiya doesnt exist in our faith, it was a priniciple a section of the shia used to use when faced with environments they could not express their faith. It has little do with our faith. Muslims are meant to be truthful people and we are not meant to lie even when joking.

It is a shame al taqiya has been blown out of proportion to mean "muslism deception" by some non muslims for reasons best known to them.

You could come on the "curious about islam" thread and participate in the discussions, we could by the will of God get closer to some truths and enlightnment about the faith of islam beyond the usual bashing and insluts on NL

@Poster

May Allah fill your heart with his light, may illuminate your mind ,purify your soul and strengthen your belief. May he plant your feet firm on this path of felicity and increae you in knowledge with a blessed divine understanding of his words.

To all, please this is just a sign and nothing more, otherwise muslims should have mounted an unprecedented propaganda in the whole media with such signs. We have hundreds of such signs in the world from Russhia to Germany to Africa and beyond. However the greatest miracle and sign is still the qur'an. You are entitled to your beliefs if you arent muslim and there is no issue about that in the least but try to open your heart and understand the faith of islam beyond the terrorism news sung everyday. Some folks did and that is why thousands of americans and europeans convert to islam every year since 9/11 , before 9/11 it was significantly lower than that. I personally know tens and tens of converts in the UK trooping into islam every week.

May our Creator guide us all