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No2Atheism:
- Yes its valid to question the intentions of the[b] Father by his connection to the so called "Islamic Bank". [/b] . .

Buddie I know you are definately smarter than this and also intelligent. What has islamic bank got to do with terrorism? I know you are obsessed with anyhting islam but common an islamic bank.

You live in UK and you know the islamic bank of Britain, HSBC shariah banking, Lyods and others they have to be investigated for terrorism according to you assertions.

Common buddie dont go this low

WilyWily:
Descending time was chosen by that foolish Islamic terrorist,  to cause maximum casualties on the ground.
DEATH TO ISLAM, DOWN TO MOHAMMED.

Anyone knowledge of explosives will know , banga can never blow up a plane close to the ground,Look i am a professional Chemical Engineer and i know the differential pressure needed to increases the explosion is significantly lower when a plane is lower already about to land. High up in the sky a terrorist only needs a explosive to break or cause a hole in the plane and the rest is history. Maximum casualities to the ground is only the thought of a layman who doesnt have any knowledge.

Again i say go jump in the sea as 1.7 Billion muslims cannot die all at once. That is the only solution to help yourself!!!

[quote author=Chapelle.S link=topic=371719.msg5187843#msg5187843 date=1261824735]This is where we get it wrong in Nigeria.This is purely a muslim/northern problem. No living Nigerian christian will try to concive this act instead he can be proud to dupe Obama. Islamic religion needs reinvention.[/quote]But some Nigerians will be proud of using the fellow Nigerians for money, I guess clifford orji was from Kano state.

Why not help out in this re invention. You could start by writing a new koran if you are so intellectually sublime to see the need for re invention

wirinet:
For me, i am yet to take a position on the whole issue, because the story as presently told does not make sense. I will wait for a full disclosure by the FBI or for the court case to decipher what actually happened. Be these are the areas i find confusing;

1. Why would a would-be suicide bomber wait till a plane is about to land before attempting to blow up the plane, when the plane had flown at a high attitude over the ocean for over 6 hours. The explosion would have had minimum damage to the plane at such low altitude and if the pilot is not affected by the explosion, chances are that he might still manage to land the plane.

2. We understand that most Nigerians are unhappy with the US military activities in Muslim countries- especially the Muslims but i do not think the resentment is strong enough to carry out suicide bombings of America's interest, especially when we are not directly affected by US invasions and bombings. We are not even told the grievances of the suspected bomber but we told all his other claims.

3. The story is not specific on weather the substance is a bomb or an inflammable powder. Also all we are told at the moment are the suspect's "claims", no investigative report yet.

4. Even the claims that he is working on behalf of Al Qaeda does not make sense, as everybody knows that Al qaeda's operations are usually multiple coordinated multiple explosions, and not single one off bombings.

I do not know why Nigerian are expert at making a mountain out of a molehill, even if one individual of Nigerian origin, but of British citizenship having sympathy for Osama Bin Ladin, should carry out a terrorist attack, does that make all Nigerians or Northern Nigerians Terrorists?. With all the terrorists from Saudi Arabia (Osama Bin Ladin's country), UAE, and Qatar, their citizens are not even considered terrorists. They are considered on individual basis.

Wonderful contribution!!!

[quote author=Mr. Cartha link=topic=371719.msg5187837#msg5187837 date=1261824487]Guyz let's not see dis issue as moslem or no moslem thing. The fact remains that we all as 9ijerians are all in it all together.[/quote]Exactly my point but some intellectually challenged people have failed to realise this!!!

shesi:
OR he decided to detonate it over mainland US so that the falling plane can perhaps do more damage to people on the ground. Who told you emergency services would be able to rescue any victims if a plane blows up in mid air. He wasn't trying to stop the planes engines, he was trying to blow it up!!!

seriously chale your conspiracy theory is not making any sense.

I am not making consiparacy theorie i am only analysing the events. Blowing a plane mid air is a terrorist dream and all foiled plots always have the same intent.  I never said rescue agencies will rescue a plane mid air as that will be foolish. i meant blowing a plane on uS soil has the chance of rescue agencies swifting to action and the intent of maximum killing reduced.

[quote author=metal-gong link=topic=371719.msg5187798#msg5187798 date=1261823875]Mohammed is the real devil~~~
Koran the manuscript of Devil~~

These are the reasons why these lily levered moslems cant live without killing their fellow human beings for nothing sake.[/quote]Join hands with willy willy and go search for all the korans in the world , burn them or jump in the sea with them so there shall be peace on earth. Failure to do this will be not putting your money where your mouth is and you will foerever be a celeberated noise maker, empty barrell it is called.

ElRazur:
I noted a few people have mentioned that firecrackers is not the same as bomb. Well, I am not Pyrotechnician, but a fire crackers, rockects and grenades are all forms of "Controlled explosions" so yeah, the media is right in my opinion in calling it a "Bomb", it is a form of it. Finally, it will appear that latest reports are suggest he had on him a mixture of liquid and powered - Anyone who know about basic chemistry knows that high explosive combustion recipie can be made with the right liquid and powder.

Let us stop the denial and face the fact, he is a nigerian and he appears to have been intent on the act of terror. As far as am concerend, I wish the US of A hang him, his kind and those who share his sort of views by the very balls.

this is a quote from CNN The initial impression is that the suspect was acting alone and did not have any formal connections to organized terrorist groups, said the senior official who is familiar with the investigation.
The suspect, identified by a U.S. government official as 23-year-old Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, ignited a small explosive device Friday, shortly before a Northwest flight from Amsterdam, Netherlands, made its landing in Detroit, Michigan.[quote][/quote]Small explosive device is indeed banga buddie and why not mid air on the atlantic ocean why on a desending plane already on US soil , with several rescue agencies to rescue victims if the intent was max killing.

WilyWily:
I don't respect any religion  that encourage the killing of innocent people,
Mohammed sent his Children to kill the innocent, He is an Evil man.
Mohammed is Satan agent sent´to spread hate.
DEATH TO ISLAM, DOWN TO MOHAMMED.

Why not go jump in the sea as 1.7 billion muslims on earth cant die at once. You jumping in the atlantic ocean will mean escaping from a world of islam buddie.

[quote author=Chapelle.S link=topic=371719.msg5187744#msg5187744 date=1261822941]You think that the incident was stage managed? What do you think that CIA is trying to achieve?[/quote]Good question

But on the other hand have thought about how an engineering student , educated and from a wealthy background will use banga to blow up a plane , not mid air on the ocean but a plane about to land on US soil.

food for thought

stanloski:
my bro i read u BUT- We have bigger problems dan afriwatever o! No presido, no light, no nuffin! CIA plot is the least of our problems, they can plot cos we have made our selves a rotten banana republic. And all the muslim haterz shd shove it! We dont need blanket condemnation! We argue that all 9jas are not bad and castigate the western press but we resort to the same ploy when it suits us. Lets think people!

We just dont want them to compound our problems

419 is our trademark, illegal immigration our hallmark, now they they will paint terrorism as our everlasting mark

[quote author=Chapelle.S link=topic=371719.msg5187644#msg5187644 date=1261821345]Haven't you seen his pic? He is a son of a prominent Nigerian. It is the Islamic religion problem we face as a nation.[/quote]Not exactly buddie, 1 Nigerian out of 15o million and you say this , pls chill out.

Do you know how many British nationals have been jailed for terrorism?

Richard Reid the first shoe bomber is British and never have you heard them singing British terroris and this express notion of yours.

Jonny Walker was a US fighter who fought in afganistan and never did they make the assertion of islamic religion problem. Please lets be obective.

Akeemos:
very funny. It is research think by the Americans, the misguided young man messed up big time. If he truly was going to blow up the plane, would he not[b] have done that over the sea or something. why on US soil and the rate of confession [/b] with the seemingly well acted movie as the passengers are painting a heroic act by the other passenger who definitely was in on the plan all along!
This is a US classic, all too familiar story people.

Now this is my concern, all other foiled plane bombers planned to blow it up over the atlantic sea and never on US soil where the lane could be rescued. Why would this boy blow a plane up on US soil. The rate of confession like i highlighted is just bizzare definately not AQ

shesi:
why are you harping on about africom? Afriwhat? look if the US wants to get its soldiers on nigerian soil they will. They can base one of their navy vessels just off nigerian waters and that will be as good as being on mainland nigeria. they'll get their planes into nigeria before nigeria can gas up its jets. So stop going on about africom.

There is no conspiracy here. The guys is obviously nigerian.

The guy is Nigerian i accept, but we are discussing possible fall out from this incident. Bush use the 9/11 oppoortunity to go to iraq and execute some of the agenda they had before 9/11.

This incident could be a springboard to get Africom and other intelligence assistance to Nigeria,Nigeria doesnt need any of this shit. We dont want to be like pakistan for goodness sake. We have no president and this vacum could cause an irepairable damge.

No2Atheism:
- Exactly . . .

- Yes we know nigerian security checks might be useless but at least he ought not to be able to go through western checks. . . at least in Amsterdam  . . .

- This raises the question of what does the west know and why was he not restricted considering that he was already reported to be on a so called list . . .

Buddie na lie there is no list, the list thing is just to scare terrorist wanna be off.

The same list they had and Nidal manged to shoot his colleugues , despite them reporting emails from him.

How can he be on the list and be granted a visa, what is the riidiculos no fly list all about. It is just a cover up to show they are working. The guy used banger which is firecracker to bring a plane down ,now dat is what kids do.

Sweet T:
The US dont need Nigeria for Africom, Ghana or Ivory coast is more strategically better for Africom

At last something good i can discuss with you!!

Now Nothing is strategic for US except oil in the gulf of guniea and minerals in central africa. Nigerias location in the gulf of guniea is of gret importance to Africom and protecting the movement and extrction of oil from that place , Nigeria would be excellent.

Sweet T:
AKEEM,

Why are you mentioning my name? have you been drinking? it's cut and dry, your muslim brotha was trying to 300 human being. What more psychanalysis do you need??

More like what have u been drinking , read all your posts and examine yourself. Intelligent people are discussing the possible fallout from this event (like CIA actions , africom and other things) while myopic individuals like you are singing waterboarding.

The only place your brain could be put to use is the link below go join fast buddie
http://www.goarmy.com/

No2Atheism:
That is what is called the act of brainwashing  . . . ie. repeat something so many times to people sooner or later it becomes part of their subconscious brain that they cannot separate truth from propaganda. . .hence that they are repeating it means it seems the US has something in store for Nigeria . . .otherwise there would be no need to insist on calling him a Nigerian despite that the reports says he is also an American . . .

This could be another way of getting Africom to nigeria through the backdoor. The US sight has never left Nigeria and this Nigeria Nigeria thingy on the media might be a bad omen in the making. Abeg make US no bring AQ to Nigeria o, because bringing africom is like turning Naija inot anither Iraq. The sweet oil of Niger delta is just too sweet for them to leave alone.

Nigeria currently has no leader and this could all be a grand scheme to medlein nigerias affairs. some said fox news repoerted nigeria has being in engaged in a 10 year civil war btw muslims and christians. Where the heck did they get that from. I honestly smeel a rat here.

No2Atheism:
- Yes you are correct and I have also raised the possibility of that cus I know that Americans might also have an ulterior motive for mentioning that he is a Nigerian . . .

- Yes we can sometimes agree . . .

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Assuming the picture being shown is the actual picture of the guy and assuming that they is still how the guy looks on the plan . . . then yes


I am also confused as the guy looks so innocent and amateurish , i just think it could be a play gone too far. This guy isnt an AQ operator, i think the security agencies are just trying to overplay this thing. Fire cracker wont bring a plane down easily and just one operator experience have shown will always be overpowered. (9/11 had about 5 members in the plane) I just dont get the logic.

- Infact the picture being shown does not even look like that of a stereotypical terrorist . . . unless   terrorist have started to look like Ajebota pikin . . .

- Men this is going to be even worse for Nigerians because a lot of Nigerians also look like that hence it means even normally looking nigerians would now be suspected of being terrorists

- Otherwise, if he looks like the stereotypical terrorist, then there is still hope for Nigerians who look normal . . .


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Men just like i said earlier on this thread . . . this incident pissess me off cus it means I now need to shave my beard which I have been trying to grow . . .otherwise I am going to start having issues with the stereotypical image of a terrorist. . .

The guy looks so amateurish and innocent. I dont think he his an AQ member. AQ in 9/11 had 5 members in the plane , so how will the put a silly Nigerian of wealthy background into a plane with a firecracker or banger and expect it it to bring a plane down. The secirty agencies could be overplaying this incident for all i care.

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=371719.msg5187389#msg5187389 date=1261816697]btw the US has always had black muslims from slavery times.

@lagosboy[/quote]Very true, I am just talking about converts into islam that started in the 50s/60s

Sweet T:
Thank You, even Malcom X was duped and killed by Nation of Islam. Malcom X was really conflicted about being a muslim at the tail end of his life, he just didn't believe in the faith any longer.

Malcom died a muslim, Nation of islam isnt islam. Malcom left the nation to become a real muslim not characterised by race but by belief. He went for hajj and came back a changed person. you do not need to lie to score your points. Eradicate your signature and stop being hypocritical.

No2Atheism:
Mohammed Ali like so many black americans were duped into accepting islam because they genuinely thought that Islam was "Black Man's" religion because they were trying to fight against racism and in doing so they made the mistake of thinking that the Bible was about Europeans . . .

Most modern day Black American people no longer fall for that trick again . . .hence why you see the growth of the group of people known as Afrocentrists . . . who have come to expose that:

- Arabs are invaders in Africa . . . e.g. Egypt and Sudan

- Arabs are not indigenous to Africa . . .

- Islam was never a Black man's religiion instead islam was and has always been a Sociopolitical tool used by Arabs and non-arabic muslims (such as Fulanis) to gain Political and social power . . . in regions that they end up invading and dominating.

- Ancient Egypt is a Black civilisation . . .Arabs invaded Egypt around 639 AD, far long after Egyptian Empires had already fallen to Greco-Romans . . .

- Sudan is still being invaded till today hence why we have the crises known as Darfur . . .

- Infact even Allah (the Arabic Moon God) considers Arabs to be better than Black people . . . hence it should not suprise people that a brainwashed black man would choose to use a that sounds almost completely Arabic . . . despite that such a black man is not an Arab.

ol pal dont let us start were we left it again o, the info here isnt ridiculously false . I dont like to derail threads but we could move to the regular section and trash this out.

Muhammed Ali together with Malcom X converted to the orthodox islam and left the "nation of islam - black peoples religion". He his a regular muslim buddie.

Sweet T:
would you shut your pie-hole?? ain't nobody talikng to you jack. share you views with your sister in crime Fayesicko

Noise Noise!!!! Noise

Your policy isnt working as i guess the senate gathering in your brain did not approve your policy hence you nailed it. You cannot eradicate muslims by mere speech , please go do some action. Erase that signature beacuse you are hate filled far right extremist. Muhammed Ali i repeat is muslim!!!! Delete your signature

[quote author=metal-gong link=topic=371719.msg5187348#msg5187348 date=1261815764]It has been confirmed that the wanna be Osama Bin Laden is a Nigeria~~~~ Below is his information.



Northwest flight 253 leg-bomber is son of Dr.Umaru Abdul Muttalab, former First Bank chairman from Yar’adua’s home state, Katsina        
Written by Saharareporters, New York    
Saturday, 26 December 2009 02:30  
Umar Farouk Abdul  Muttalab
Saharareporters has identified the family of Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab in Nigeria. The 23 year old would-be bomber of Northwest airline flight 253 is the son of recently retired chairman of First Bank of Nigeria Dr. Umaru Abdul Mutallab.
http://www.saharareporters.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4631:northwest-flight-253-leg-bomber-is-son-of-drumaru-abdul-muttalab-former-first-bank-chairman-from-yaraduas-home-state-katsina&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=18[/quote]Kai na big man son o, I bet the guy is a US citizen but just being called Nigerian.

Sweet T:
Now i know why u are so mad. celebration of jesus birth makes you guys mad as hell, i'll not trade tirades with you so you won't have a reason to shed innocent folks' blood.

You could start to eradicate muslims by first eradicating your signature. It is Muhammed Alis slogan a muslim convert formely Cascius if you dont know. He his one of the early generations of muslim converts in the US, it is hypocritical to want to eradicate muslims and still leave his slogan on your signature.

biina:
@No2Atheism
Unsurprisingly, you responded with your silver bullet of 'Strawman arguments', but then your last post only provided evidence of your intolerance.
- There are about 1.5 billion muslims in the world. How many terrorist do you know or have evidence of? instead you claim that all 1.% billion are  
- Al Taqiya that you are so fond of simply refers to concealing your faith under the threat of persecution. The early christian did same.
- You are not giving your opinion, yet others disagree with you? But you would rather delude yourself that they are fact, when they are correctly your interpretation of the facts.
- As to where you claim you opinion is the absolute truth, simply read any of your recent posts e.g.- You are not judging, but yet you condemn Muslims under the guise of simply telling the truth?

Anyways, contrary to your imagination, I am less interested in a discourse with you, just simply saddened to hear such from one who claims to be a christian.

No2atheism i know well , he will never accept and will spread information without verifying it please just let my ol pal be. He just has an obessesion with islam.

No2 atheism no shaking its been a long time we crossed each others path though

Sweet T:
I'm making it a new policy of mine not to respond to ragheads like you anymore. poof paf, buttbreath.

I really never wanted you to respond, You just put your words into action and join the US airforce, perhaps you could even make it faster by joining the marines and be part of Obamas 30,000 troops to Afghanistan. By getting deployed you will not only have access to the 50 millions muslims in Afghanistan you will also have access to eradicate 180 million muslims in Pakistan.

If you dont do this then you should put the mask of cowardice on your face and bury your head in shame as your words will forever be noise.

@Fayzik

aunty e ma da won lohun jare, ti won ba binu ki won lo fori lagi, alariwo lason lason ni won.

Sweet T:
I think i'm joining the air force, so i can do my part in eradicating islam from this world.

Please post you picture here when you join, otherwise you will remain nothing but a noisemaker whose noise cannot exceed his room. Your comments on this thread, i am sorry is outright disgusting. If you dont want islam in the world go jump in the sea at least you will escape from a world with islam. Otherwise you will forever live in misery as Islam remains the fastest growing religion in the US, in the west and in the world. Islam has the highest rate of converts in US and the west in general. After 9/11 rather than people leave islam , thousands of american caucascians, black and latinos accept and are still accepting the faith in droves.

Jumping into the lagoon or pacific ocean might be your best bet buddie.

Even as i detest and feel ashamed of this incident, the comments here is just disgusting to read. Someboday says 1.7 billion people should be wiped out the surfce of the earth because they are all flipping terrorist.  If they really are what will it take 1 person to terminate 5 or 6 people (6 Bilion is world population) and pronto only muslims will be left on earth as that is what our religion preaches.

Ignorance is desease and intellectual laziness to research is even a crime.

We have had american citizens as terrorist , Caucascian, black, latino, muslims christians and jews alike so what is the fuss all about.
A terrorist is a terrorist regardless of his background. Opportunist who hate islam are having a great time dissing the faith but your arm chair dissing will not go beyond your room and have no effect.

A Nigerian commits a crime and we are attributing a tribe to him str8 away , who bloody cares what state is from and how does the world differentiate this? Does his passport state he his from Enugu state?  

This guy doesnt seem like any AQ member to me, he probably acted on his own, the speed of his confession and terrorist attempt shows his mediocrity in the act.

On a side note Obama should rethink his foreign policy as i dont think the US will know any rest until those US soldiers all around the world are withdrawn into american soil again, and Palestinians given a state. Then lets see what excuse AQ will have to perpertuateor justify any attacks

Last week about seven drones killed scores of civilians in Pakistan, somebody tell me if that is not a terrorist attack as well, only that it is state terrorism. Hundreds of civilians are killed and no one raises an eye brow all beacuse they are some silly pakistani muslims anyway. pakistanis prefers killing themselves in fights to US drones killing them that is what they say.

Sweet T:
The bible says love thy neighbors like yourself,

The quran says - if he doesn't believe in your faith or insult mohammed, bomb the excreta out of his @$$.

which one would you choose. Jesus is the only way to salvation and eternal life.

Somebody please tell me this is not comming from a literate person who actually read the 2 books.

Usisky i can see u logged in twice today, is it a case of you submit the questions to someone and then come back to paste here? Because i cannot understand why you have refused to answer the questions above.

mukina2:
LoL
I know loads of people sleep though during Lailatul Qadr nite

I am sure u are the chief sleeper, do you provide them with pillow as well ?